>> so far that is all one person. >> that is the same guy. >> qanon theories that are talking about jewish space lasers and they're talking about italians that are stealing elections. they're talking about pedophiles. >> there you go. >> that are still saying if you don't agree with us, you're a pedophile. people who are talking about burning books. who are talking about banning books. i could go on all day. >> just for record, the orgies, the gun at the airport and the license, that is one guy. >> that is one. that is just one guy. >> one guy. >> and as it said in the bible, we've talked about john the baptist that said, in the bible, you know, that is one guy but they are legion. they are legion. especially in the house. jonathan lemire, so independents say, whoa, nelly, what say you? >> yeah, jd mandel, or whatever his name is was one of trump's

critics and has now come the other and embraced some of the craziest part of the former president's platform. and all of this right here is alarming more mainstream republicans. you mentioned mitch mcconnell and he's far from ahome and heartening some democrats. more they are center stage, marjorie taylor green, madison cawthorn, that is the guy, that is good fock democrats and i have a new story out though morning how the white house is leaning into this. president biden has not gone on the offense against republicans and frying to draw a sharp contrast between what he and his party have done and republicans and in particular these fringe elements of the republican party. that they feel like that that is their effective arg. they face head winds and democrats feel like this is the way that they could show voters particularly those independent voters, those swing voters, those suburban voters, those are

voters that gave biden the white house along with african american support, back in 2020. they feel like those are the same voters who are so turned off by this republican extremism that they might be willing to come back and stay with the democrat this is fall. ander that cheering for, that if elon musk indeed takes twitter, they hope the first thing he does is put donald trump back on it. they think if he starts tweeting again, it will simply remind the voters of the crazy that accompanied his time in the office, around january 6. and elamfy the fringe candidates and that could only be good for democrats. >> bring his back. he's crazier than ever. this is from today's "wall street journal" talking about the lunatics that have taken over the republican party in wisconsin. this is what the "wall street journal" said. it isn't hard to figure out what

flipped wisconsin. many votes, republicans included, did not want four more years of mr. trump's antics. in some suburb wards, 10.5% of mr. biden's voters picked the gop for congress. this beats the evidence of vote fraud detected by everyone who has looked. everyone who has looked. mr. trump lost wisconsin in 2020 on his own. and if republicans keep chasing ghosts, he'll also lose them in 2022. so again, mika, you look at this same poll, republicans do better than democrats by almost 20 points on inflation. they do better than democrats on the economy. they do better than democrats on foreign policy. democrats don't know how to play this game. and, yet -- and yet independents are saying republicans are too crazy maybe i'll look at

democrats. >> april was the cruellest month for netflix. down 49% over the past four weeks. could they recover. andrew ross sorkin has business before the bell. straight ahead on "morning joe." but first, there are a number of new developments this morning with the war in ukraine. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy is accusing moscow of waging a war of extermination, trying to starve the ukrainian people and crush their economy. in an overnight message he said russia is shelling food and grain and fertilizer warehouses across the country. at the same time ukraine said russian forces have stolen several hundred thousand tons of grain from southern and eastern ukraine. and zelenskyy said a russian blockade of ukrainian ports is preventing millions more tons of grain from being exported. he said that play trigger a food crisis that could spread across

europe, africa, and -- >> and as we've seen, so many times during this conflict, this conflict, the past is prologue, so many memories being churned up over the last two months but let's go back to the fact that in the early 1930s, it was russia, it was soviet russia that sealed off borders and deliberately starved 3 to 4 million ukrainians, something that i'm sure they still haven't forgotten. >> no. and the long awaiting evacuation of that steel factory in mariupol began over the weekend. it is unclear where things stand right now. after getting word earlyer that buses had started leaving again, the mariupol city council now said the evacuation has been delayed. more than 100 civilians were evacuated this weekend. this video shows part of the rescue. focused on getting the oldest and the youngest people out. the commander of the ukrainian national guard said there are

around 200 civilians and 500 wounded soldiers still inside of the plant. russian forces are tightening their grip on the occupied city of kherson, along with some other areas of southern ukraine. starting sunday, ukrainian currency has begun being replaced by the russian ruble. in addition, russian forces have cut cellular and internet service in kherson and the surrounding region. leaving russian tv as the only option for information. and in some places they've started replacing ukrainian flags with soviet victory flags. and take a look at this. in the kherson region, they've begun restoring statues of vladimir lennon in public squares. >> talk about going back to a failed past. and again, we've talked about this before. we said it in the very beginning when we thought that russia

would sweep through and occupy ukraine. taking over a country or taking over a region or taking over a city is one thing. being able to occupy it is quite another. ukrainians aren't going to allow them to occupy these cities long. they just aren't it is going to be -- they are going to fight and russians are going to have resistance as long as they -- as long as they stay in ukraine, they're going to be attacked and they're going to see counter attack after counter attack. and it is just not going to end well for them. >> we have video out of the ukrainian city of izum, showing the moment ukrainian forces launched artillery strikes on a russian military headquarters on the front lines. "the new york times" reported the attack happened just as the senior general of the russian army may have been visiting the base in an effort to change the course of the russia's offensive. the kyiv post another ukrainian media report that general may

have been wounded in the leg during those attacks. those claims were not repeated by official ukrainian armed forces. 200 russian soldiers including a separate general were killed in the attack. according to ukrainian forces. let's bring in retired u.s. marine corp chief of staff to europe colonel brendan kearney and author and columnist of the david beast, david rothkopf. >> colonel, let's begin with you. and we don't know the status of the general. i'm just curious, so what is your take on the fact that you have vladimir putin's most important general up on the front lines? >> well there has been some significant reporting over the last week that he is actually been put in charge of the operation itself which means he would necessarily need to visit

the command post. he should be there on a continuing basis. but if they want to still run the russian military, he's going to have to shutting back and forth from moscow. it is a nonsense cal approach, but that is why he'd be out there. >> and david, we've seen reports already that the russians are having trouble executing their attack an ott donbas just like in the early stages of campaign near kyiv. what is your reaction to what year seeing right now? >> well, anybody who thought that the russians were going to suddenly cure the problems that aflicked their military three weeks ago was mistaken. these are deep logistical problems, problems with equipment. clearly they have some problems when it comes to commanding and control. and when you look at this, ukraine has learned new ways to

take advantage of it. i think attacking this command center shows that the ukrainians are taking advantage of what intelligence their getting from, their own sources or allied sources and using it to great effect to weaken the russians and that is why this latest offensive has really stagnated and the russians have not been able to carve out the kind of victories that they wanted. which is why they're hanging flags and restoring statues of vladimir lennon. they don't have any other options but to pretend they are gaining ground. >> and colonel, with the problem in donbas, how in the world are return troops going to be able to get that land bridge from the russian border all the way to crimea and secure it and then hold it. it seems like an awfully tal order given how poorly they've

done over the past eight weeks. how do they do it? >> i don't think they will be able to do it to be honest with you. i think their performance as just mentioned clearly shows that they really haven't applied the lessons learned. there has been some improvement in their performance. but the ability to conduct the type of military operations that would be necessary to get that land bridge up and running so to speak, they simply have not shown that they have the capability to pull that type of operation off. >> so u.s. cybersecurity experts are warned about russian hacking efforts for more than a decade. but now it seems russia is struggling from an unprecedented number of attacks by hack-ists and cyber criminals. according to "the washington post," digital assailants have bluntered the personal financial data and defaced websites and

handed government emails to anti-secrecy activists abroad. one recent survey showed more passwords and other sensitive data were dumped on to the open web in march than information from any other country. and there has been a lot of attention focused on the millions of refugees fleeing ukraine. but russia is also seeing an immigration wave. especially in the tech sector. russia's parliament was told last month that 50 to 70,000 tech workers have fled the country since the war began. another 100,000 are expected to leave over the next month. totaling about 10% of the tech industry's work force. as the washington post points out, experts on global migration and russian population are calling the current exodus russia's single fastest since

the 1917 bowl cheffic revolution, where billions of economic elites fled the rise of the soviet union. >> jonathan lemire, the past is prologue. >> it seems to be that way. and i'd wageer that statue of lennon, not going to be up fre long. >> no. >> i want to get your take on that, david, this idea of just the seemingly the losses for putin mount by the day, it is 10,000 or more of his soldiers killed. they already have to abandon his far reaching war aims and now focusing on the donbas and not off to great start there either and not using cyberattacks to any effectiveness, not yet. and now this. elled by sanctions and a number of sort of young intellectual class, that could be the driving force behind the next generation of the russian economy, are fleeing. >> well i think what is happening in russia is bad on two levels. one, they're not succeeding in

this war in ukraine. which was unprovoked. which they started. but there are long-term effects. brain drain is one long-term effect. nato getting larger is another long-term effect. and there is more progress on that being made as we speak. russia has, according to diplomats i have spoken to, alienated allies, countries that wanted to be supportive of them because of the way that they conducted the war, because of the brutality with which they've conducted the war. the economic sanctions are taking a toll that economists estimate to take 10 to 15 years to recover from, if that. and so what you see here, and secretary of state tony blinken has been using this term for about a month, you see the beginning of a strategic defeat. quite apart from what happens in ukraine, russia is going to emerge from this war weakened and it will have an effect for a

long, long time. >> it does seem like a historic moment right now. taked about it a couple of hours ago. it really -- you look at what is happen right now and i would be surprised if historians didn't look back and see this as a significant of a setback when russia lost to japan back well over 100 years ago. colonel, i'm curious, we've seen the sec def and talking about being with the ukrainians until the very end. how far away is that victory? is it possible, are we getting ahead of ourselves? >> you know, i think it is good for us talking about the possibility of a victory. because that is seemingly the reality on the ground. as to when victory could be fully achieved, boy, that could be anywhere from weeks if there was a sudden russian collapse,

to months if not years. if the russians and the ukrainians continue essentially to work through a stalemate on the ground, because what we see right now is world war 1 trench warfare only with all of the modern instruments of war that are so brutal in their effectiveness so it will take a while to work this thing out. >> colonel, i've been saying for the past year or so that while people look back at iraq and afghanistan, as military failures i look at what our troops were able to do, our special ops were able to do in syria, 2500 of our best and brightest there. the same with the 2500 that were in afghanistan before they were taken out. and they said we've learned a lot over 20 years about this sort of warfare. i'm curious, what have we learned over the last two months

that our president and the people in the armed sfrss committee and the house and the senate should pay attention to as they prepare next year's budget? >> well, i think we have to look at a couple of things. number one, the 10-foot tall russian military that really even with the predecessor in the soviet years, didn't exist then and it doesn't exist now. and the proof is in the actual pudding of what is going on, on the ground. second, i think we need to look at the technical capability that we should be giving our troops. and you know there is some talk maybe the budgets are not big enough and doesn't have enough ships, that really needs to be looked at. the russians could still project power and that is of concern to

the free world and to europe. but we've got to posture our military so that we could go ahead and if necessary we could either further assist our friends and allies in their efforts as we are in ukraine, or if necessary we have to get our own forces involved, hopefully not in ukraine but if the challenge arises somewhere else in the world, that we are properly postured to handle that. unfortunately there is some bad people out there. the russians being one of them. and i think we need to be fully prepared and we owe it to our personnel that when we give them the very, very best technical capability, to accomplish whatever mission that we assign to them. >> and david rothkopf, i'll ask you the same question. policy wise, what have we learned over the last eight weeks that should expect our future foreign policy, our future military budgets? >> well i think we've learned a couple of things. one is russia is a threat.

russia is going to remain a threat as long as vladimir putin is there. so victory in this war is not just victory in ukraine. it is weakening russia and it is strengthening nato. all of which is going on at the same time. following up on the colonel's comments, however, i think the other thing is that we've seen that old military platforms, old systems don't work as well as some new ones. javelins are beating tanks, drones are beating ships to patrol ships off of the coast of ukraine today seem to have been destroyed by one of those turkish drones. cyber is playing a bigger role. we may be able to create a more lethal force that is actually not as expensive as the force that exists of some of these big massive costly systems on which a lot of our military is built around. and, of course, with one of our

adversaries clearly having benefited from threat inflation and our assessment, we might be able to scale back some of what think of those threats to be. so i think we really need to rethink the mix with our military and think about the next generation threats we're going to face. >> all right. columnist david rothkopf and chief of staff to europe colonel brendan kearney. thank you so much. and coming up, more on war in ukraine. leiv schreiber will be our guest. we'll talk about the work he's doing to help dozen of ukraine aid groups and his recent trip to the region. >> and he has ukraine background. his mom was ukrainian. and andrew ross sorkin on the slowdown of the global economy and why warren buff set blasting wall street. we'll also have new reporting that former donald trump wanted

to shoot protesters gathering around the white house following the death of george floyd. can't we just shoot them. >> that is what he said. >> also the republican, the one republican governor who is criticizing florida governor ron desantis and his fight with disney. >> said he might be running for president, actually. >> back in a moment. r president, actually. >> back in a moment.

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l.a. where they drive 55. i think. >> never. >> they actually can't. there is too much traffic. >> you can't drive 55 on the 405. >> what is that? >> you don't drive 55 on the 405. >> no, you don't. now reporting from axios, mark esper said president trump wanted to shoot demonstrators who were filling the streets around the white house following the murder of george floyd. according to a new memoir out this morning he said trump asked, quote, can't you just shoot them. just shoot them in the legs, or something. he was fired by trump after the 2020 election and esper will be our guest next tuesday morning for the new book. >> jonathan lemire, this is something that we heard at -- while the protests were going on, that donald trump had wanted to shoot the protesters.

we're just talking at the top of the show about the difference between joe biden and his approach to the press, not calling them enemies of the people, and donald trump, who not only called the press enemies of the people but wanted to send some to jail, threatened to send some to jail and now of course you have here donald trump because people protesting, asking secretary of defense why they couldn't just shoot the protesters. >> yeah, we've had reports before that trump asked this but it certainly carries more weight coming from the former secretary of defense. and i think it is important to briefly reinstruct those days in late may and early june of 2020 where after george's death there were protests across the country including some big ones outside of the white house in lafayette park there. and one night, and only one did things get a little bit out of hand and there was a fire at a church nearby and that when trump and his family were put into the safe room, the emergency bunker in the white

house. and part of what set trump into a rage in the days following was that word got out that he had done that. and that is when he asked for more aggressive tactics against these protesters and that is when he decided to take that ill-fated photo op, that walk from the white house through the park to the damaged church and before he set foot outside of the white house, then what federal law enforcement and the military cleared the park of then completely peaceful protesters using rough tactics including tear gas to do so. allowing trump to walk over to the church and awkwardly hold up a bible like he had never seen one before. and es per and murphy walked over there but we know thanks to reporting and the books that have come out, that millie and esper quickly walked away from the scene. he was fired a short time later. i'm sure we'll have more in his

book when it arrives. >> we look forward to having him on the show. it is depressing to recount all of that. arkansas governor acea hutchinson said florida's ron desantis went against gop principals withn his five with disney. he removed special tax privileges from disney after the company spoke out against a new law in florida that restricts classroom discussion about sexual orientation or gender identity for children ages kindergarten to third grade. >> which they weren't doing any way. they weren't doing any way. so you pass legislation -- >> i don't want to talk about anything. pertaining to anything. >> sexual identity from kindergarten to third grade. talk about making up a controversy. >> this is the interview with cnn yesterday. >> i don't believe that government should be punitive against private businesses because we disagree with them.

that is not the right approach either. and so to me, that is the old republican principal of having restrained government. and so let's do the right thing, it is a fair debate about these special tax privileges, i understand that debate, but let's not go after businesses and punish them because we disagree with what they said. >> well, and of course, the governor is talking like conservatives, like republicans used to talk. you're supposed to have restrained government, not a big government that tries to punish business because they disagree with the position that they take. and again there has been this big government approach out of tallahassee telling local school boards the way they could run their own schools or telling small businesses how to run their small businesses and telling cruise liners how to keep people on their cruise ships safe. it is a top down approach which is actually just the opposite of

what conservatives used to believe. >> and it is just like everything else with that former president. and hutchinson told cnn that a presidential run in 2024 is quote on the table. he also said that the republican party needed to move on from former president donald trump. move on. >> this is fascinating. jonathan lemire, fascinating. you're seeing more people speak out against president biden. you're also seeing what is going on in georgia. a big, big challenge of donald trump from governor kemp who looks like he's going to crush donald trump's selected opponent david perdue. >> yeah, i think we should stipulate trump is still by far the most powerful force in the republican party. period. that said. but there are some cracked emerging here. where we have some republicans willing to speak out against him. kemp, though certainly was behind the driving force behind

some of the restrictions of voting right laws there, he's never embraced the 2020 big lie and while david perdue has made that the center of his campaign and kemp is way up in the polls and acea huchinson said he would run for president even if trump does as well. and there are a few weekends saying if trump is in, we'll back off. but others haven't. we know that ron desantis and governor of florida is eyeing a run even if trump decides to run. and mike pompeo has refused to say that he would back out if trump were to jump in. in part because there is a sense that trump is going to try too freeze the field as long as possible and not make mis decision for quite sometime. but i think that we'll get a referendum on trump's pow we are some of the primaries coming up. will the candidates he backed in some of the states namely ohio, whichever one it was, jd mandel,

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it's 37 past the hour. and the market just opened with the dow ticking up slightly after the massive drop that we saw on friday. it tumbled 900 points to close out april with the s&p posting its first -- worst month since the pandemic began and the nasdaq posting the worst month since the 2008 financial crisis. but it is not just in the united states.

global economic growth is slowing to a crawl. as covid and the war in ukraine rattles the world's biggest economies. and as fears grow about a recession here at home, fed chair jerome powell is set to announce a big rate hike later this week. >> so many questions. so many questions and i know mika on your birthday you want clarity. so i have brought in columnist and editor for "the new york times" and co-anchor of squawk box, andrew ross sorkin. >> it is my birthday. and i'm 55. >> happy birthday. you know, andrew, as we went through covid, we never have gone through anything like that before in our lifetime. we haven't gone through people holding the 2 trillion on the side and then dumping it in the economy and a lot of things going on that led to questions but when he see that the e.u. economy has slowed down to a stop, when you look at what happened in the u.s., when you

look at what is happening in china, when you look at interest rates going up, suddenly it becomes more clear and what the -- what wall street is saying isn't all that positive. does the recession begin now? >> well, maybe it is already begun in some ways. i think that the moment of clarity oddly came last thursday night when amazon reported its earnings. less revenue than people had expected. but also a sense that costs are going to continue to rise. wages are going to go up. a good thing for those people working at amazon of course. less of a good thing when it comes to their profits and the potential for earnings and that is a sort of a microcosm for the economy and how businesses across this country are starting to think about what happens and then you start to think about the strength of the consumer. the consumer is held up but we've also talked about the fact that interest rate and this is the week we find out what happens with the first next step for the federal reserve, and

you're going to start to see credit card interest rates go up, you'll see mortgage rates go up and then the question is does that tip the balance for the consumer and what do they do? you go to the -- you go to get your car and some gas these days and the running joke is you have to get a second mortgage and that is the other big issue right now. and so you put all of those things together and plus europe and the rest of the world, and people are starting to get pretty concerned. >> i'm so glad you brought up netflix. because when facebook drops by 25% in a day or two, they're like okay, it is facebook, is it real or not real and what going on. when you see netflix lose close to 50%, that still is streaming. you see amazon go down 14%, 15% in a day, they deal in real goods. all of us, almost all of us have amazon. we order things day in and day out. if they're getting hit by 14,

15%, suddenly you're talking about, i know this is a -- but i've read sports illustrated during e-con101 in the bab row, it seems like a real economy when you have amazon take that much of a hit. you tart going, oh, my god, there may be more than pets.com going under. >> i think there is a broad realize is by the way the big tech stocks, the facebook of the world, the amazons of the world, the netflix of the world ksz and all of them have come down and what is the growth story for the future and then you later on top, i just got back from omaha, woodstock for capitalists, warren buffett has an annual meeting and talking about how much speculation and gambling thrown in the market and thrown against the wall and a sense that maybe where stocks were over the past year and a half, there was a bit of alice in

wonderland element to this. we used to talk about this all of the time. that was the big issue. and we look around and say we're in the middle of a pandemic how is it possible that stocks are this high. so everything is relative. you see the prices come down but maybe the truth is you should look at where prices were pre-pandemic. >> and certainly the price of the stocks not necessarily commensurate to the health of the economy and that is a lesson that donald trump never wants anyone to learn because he would brag about it all of the time. and that is where we are now. and talk about what we should expect from the federal reserve with -- >> i think you're going to see a 50 basis point rise, some people are talking about 75 points. and how fast do you go, interestingly there was a wealth effect issue which is to say that if stocks continue to come down, you could argue that that actually zp-does a little bit of work for jay powell. they're trying to reduce demand and if the market comes down, the head of that, that unto

itself may make people feel less wealthy and they don't spend as much money or go on trips. when you think about inflation, in a strange way it could help. i don't think it will change the dynamic this week in terms of what the fed does, but it could change the dynamic in terms of what they do next month and the month after and the month after. >> and less than an hour in and amazon already down over 3%. it just keeps going. >> it just keeps going. some people may think it is on sale. there is another side to all of this. i don't know the answer. but we'll see. >> okay. >> andrew ross sorkin. >> happy birthday. >> thank you very much. oh, i just got a kiss. >> i know. >> a virtual kiss. that is nice. all right. coming up, actor leiv schreiber has close ties to ukraine and working hard to help dozens of aid groups there amid the war. and he joins us ahead.

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48 past the hour. time now for a look at morning papers. first to kansas. and the wichita eagle front page showing a dramatic picture of

destruction after an ef 3 tornado tore through sedgewick and butler counties. it was on the ground for 21 minutes destroying between 300 and 400 buildings priel traveling 12.5 miles and two people were injured and no one was killed w. officials crediting early warnings. to ohio where the dayton daily news reports on a republican bill that would lower and eventually eliminate the state income tax over the next decades. the bill's author argues that state income taxes have been lowered since 2010 while revenue has remained steady. to utah, where the salt lake tribune reports mitt romney sometimes wears a hat in public to keep from being recognized and avoid harassment by supporters -- >> just a hat. >> we've been talking about this all morning and it is just a hat. >> you have to work more on that. >> you have to give me hat and

sunglasses and a scarf. >> that is something. >> well apparently he get as anied by supporters of former trump. this according to "this will not pass" by jonathan martin and alexander the atlanta georgia constitution reports jury selection will begin today for a special investigation panel that will look into the actions of former president trump and his allies, as they attempted to reverse the state's 2020 election results. >> or steal it. >> the prosecutors from the fulton county district attorney's office are set to choose 23 residents along with three alternates, to serve on a so-called special purpose grand jury. to washington state, where the columbian details a new state law that allows transit users 18 and under to ride for free. the initiative, part of a new $17 billion statewide transportation package, hopes to

foster a new generation of transit riders while lowering transportation costs for families. to minnesota, where the star tribune is highlighting the life and legacy of walter mondale. president biden spoke during the service yesterday, as friends and family gathered in minneapolis, to honor the former vice president, and senator who died last year at the age of 93. >> i hope we can all be here, to continue to spread his life, because as you know, he was one of the finest men you've ever known, one of the most decent people that i've ever dealt with and one of the toughest, smartest men i've ever worked with. >> and to another notable loss, country music icon naomi judd passed away over the weekend and yesterday her daughters accepted

her induction into the country music hall in her honor. that's a big loss, really, really sad. and we'll be talking more about that. joining us now, actor and director lee shriver who was recently in ukraine, and poland, as part of a new initiative, he co-founded, called blue check ukraine which helps to identify, vet and channel donations to organizations operating in ukraine and in neighboring countries. it's good to have you along. >> thanks so much for being here. great to have you with us and so glad you started this organization. i'm wondering, what was the genesis of it? your thought, in putting together this type of operation. >> well, a friend of mine from school called me and i think the two of us had spent enough time on the couch being depressed about the news cycle, and wanted to do something, and there was a couple of other former staffers from dr. goodell porter who joined us, and then we partnered

with an organization called the u.s. ukraine foundation, and the idea was to make it easier for americans who want to help in ukraine, and people around the world really, to help, and so what we're trying to do is target ngos and organizations on the ground in ukraine, who are doing the most help, so that we can kind of vet them, to verify them, and fast track financial support for them. >> that's so important, because so many americans, and i know people all over the world, are seeing what is unfolding in ukraine, and you want to help, you want to send money, but then you remember in the past, when people rushed donations places, you would read stories years later how some of the money was misused. that's why i love this concept. can you tell people that are watching right now that want to help ukrainians, what do you do specifically to vet these organizations, to make sure that when they send the money, it goes to help the people that are

in the most dire need. >> because of our affiliation with the u.s./ukraine foundation, we have probono help from the law firm ropes and gray, and we also have integrity risk international helping us to vet these organizations. and we have people on the ground meeting with them and talking with them as i did, a week ago, in lviv. >> i'm curious, just about the work that you've done so far, with the organization you created, are you more depressed? how much are you learning about the need that has been created out of this war, not just in poland, but romania, slovakia, and other places where they're trying to help refugees. >> first, you know, before i went to ukraine, i spent a week working with jose andreas extraordinary organization the world central kitchen and i

cooked with them for a week and sort of saw the need and how it was changing and evolving, but once i went inside ukraine, i think the overwhelming take for me was the incredible resilience and the courage of the ukrainian people. and i think, you know, if there's any silver lining at all, in the war in ukraine, i think it came at a time when things felt, feel polarized in this country, and i think probably the biggest mistake that putin made was to commit an act that in my mind has galvanized us, and remind us as americans what it is to be american, that we are essentially a nation of grandchildren and we are really only removed by one generation from things like this. and with that sort of ground swell of support that i'm seeing and feeling from american people, we were just trying to figure out how can we help them

help, because not everybody can go on a plane and go visit lviv, or go cook in one of jose's incredible kitchens so what we try to do is give as the give well group, and make sure the money is going to the right places, because as we know there is a black market and not all the money is going to the people who need it and the organizations that we're working are local and small so they are really, and also, in many case, ukrainians, so they're really able to identify where the money and where the support needs to go. >> president zelenskyy has said that his great fear, especially if this war does move into a new phase where it is protacted in the east, it will fade from the headlines somewhat, that it will not be the dominant story and he knows that the ukrainians need help, not just weapons from western government, but also donations from regular people that's going to cost billions to keep this country up and running, while the war goes on.

so talk to us, you started to go there now, talk to us a little bit more about you need to keep, make sure that money and that intention goes to the right people and there remains a focus on what they so desperately need. >> sometimes a lot of these bigger international charity organizations, they become unwieldy and have trouble operating in war zones and the great thing about blue check, most of these organizations are on the ground in ukraine or ukrainians and the great thing as the news cycle evolves in different ways, these people are uniquely equipped to identify and fast track support where it needs to be and so that's why we were really trying really specifically to work with ukrainian organizations and organizations like jose's, like world center kitchen that are actually on the ground in ukraine. >> we keep showing images of an orchestra, and liev was able to spend time with the orchestra in

lviv. >> an incredible group. >> while it rehearsed mozart's requiem. >> that had to be unbelievably moving for you. >> it was so powerful. talk about being a nation of grandchildren, my grandparents are ukrainian, and to have that experience, this is not my first time in ukraine but to have that experience to go back and in terms of what i was expecting to see, versus what i saw, was really quite powerful, to see this orchestra, playing that requiem, at this time, and they have taken the seats out of theater because they filled the theater up with boxes of medical supplies and food and shipping to the front line to people who need it. >> that says it all. liev schreiber, thank you so much. for more information on the blue check initiative, visit you u.s./ukraine.org/blue check. that does it for us this morning. thatoe ds it for us this morning.

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good morning, 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific, i'm jose diaz, happening this morning are the civilians trapped in the besieged steel plant in the city of mariupol, and some were fortunate enough to flee the violence. house speaker nancy pelosi and a national delegation are headed back to the u.s. after a high stakes trip to kyiv to meet with president zelenskyy. the mayor of kyiv will join us with more this