i'm halle jackson in for katy tur this afternoon. the federal reserve is getting ready to announce its decision to hike interest rates again. the second of seven of these kind of moves predicted for this year. here's the deal. economists think the feds are going to raise rates by half a percentage point today. we're going to confirm that for you as soon as the announcement is made official, probably within the next 60 seconds by the time i stop talking. the feds are also going to announce its plan to shrink its balance sheet, which translated into human english, another way to say pull money out of the economy. it's another tool for the fed to

reign ininflation. any time you borrow money, you will pay more interest to the bank because the banks are paying more to borrow from the feds. why raise rates at all? let me bring in now nbc news business and technical correspondent jolene kent. 2:00 announcement. my clock in here is wrong but i think it's just turning over to the tick of two. is it official yet? what's the expectation? >> it is official. the federal reserve is going to be raising the benchmark basis rates. we are seeing that the balance sheet will be cut to rise to -- and i just lost the number here in my notes. but the feds saying job gains have been robust so they do expect to -- they are raising it by half a point. what does this mean? this is the most aggressive hike since 2000 and it the most aggressive move that we've seen

so far in this inflation situation right now. consumers across the board facing 8.5% inflation. and it's a markedly stronger move than last time back in march when we were reporting on how they increased the rate by a quarter point. there was a lot of discussion about whether that was enough to actually bring down inflation in a meaningful way when that is so necessary. but the idea here, very much in line with the federal reserve chair jerome powell, what he said last month at the imf, that it's important to take stronger, more aggressive moves, as appropriate and then maybe retool later. the idea is to get down to 2% by 2024. the concern is nobody wants to trigger a recession here. that's what the concern is. when you make loans more expensive, make money more

expensive, that risks job cuts and losses down the road, which so many of these businesses and workers do not need coming through this pandemic so far. >> stand by. can you explain what does it mean for consumers? people who are looking at their budgets over the coming year, who are hearing us say there are going to be five more of these rate hikes probably this year. what do we need to know if you're somebody who cares about your money, which everybody does. >> you delineated before credit card debt, small business, car loans if you can get any sort of new or used car. the more you think twice about investing that or putting that to work or maybe opening a small business. for example, i think earlier this week the treasury set a special inflation adjusted savings bond yield to about 9.6%. you get the chance to invest up

to $10,000 a year and it's indexed to inflation, you might be willing to take some cash off the table right now and not hire workers, not put it into stocks or real estate or crypto and that's why interest rates more inverse to this taking it out of this hot economy where there's too much cash sloshing around. it is treacherously difficult, we have this idea of a goldilocks economy. i don't remember an asset bubbling potentially as big as this one. >> and let's not bury the headline here. biggest rate hike in 22 years. as we're looking at more from the fed, they're saying the invasion of ukraine weighs on economic activity, that that is a factor here that household spending, business spending is robust but you also have the international global picture that's a part of this, too. >> the global picture is often,

you know, predicts what will come down the way for u.s. consumers and investors and people borrowing money. other interesting things out of this fed announcement, even though household and business spending remains strong and job gains are robust, the idea is there are still these broader price pressures on your budget when it comes to gas and food prices. the fed chair is saying the invasion-related events have created additional upper pressure on inflation and are likely to weigh on economic activity and they're also citing the covid-related lockdowns in china saying those are likely to exacerbate. so this is not just about the consumer trying to get that mortgage or pay off that credit card debt, which is now going to get more expensive. it's also about how companies are able to absorb because now lending money to expand has

suddenly gotten even more expensive. >> you laid out the risks and concerns over a recession. talk to us about stagflation, why it's a concern and what it means for people. >> because you're getting hit on both ends. it's a hopeless situation. the fed, if it sees a recession, sees people aren't hiring, it's going to flood the plain. jolene talked about those asset purchases. the fed made $9 trillion in covid asset purchases and took rates down to zero and you had congress with fiscal stimulus. if you have stagflation, are you going to take the sign of growing the economy or reducing inflation? it's a pick your poison, hopeless thing. that's specifically why you don't want to leave money so cheap for so long. if certainly like this happens and you get shocks like ukraine or oil going to $120 a barrel, you have to stand at that fork

in the road and say do i fight inflation or recession? what's a little cray-cray is the fed wants to increase rates and get a couple past the goalie or more than a couple so that when the economy falls into recession, it has something to do in terms of stimulus so it can cut rates. that's how micromanaged the u.s. economy has become. the purists say you're avoiding the realities of the business cycle. >> i'll looking at the little box in the corner of our box that shows the big board. this has been kind of baked in. if there's anything that the fed does, they forecast their moves quite well because of that market reaction. what is the anticipation? this is significant. do you think we're going to see a lot of sort of noise that when it comes to the markets here today? >> so far it looks like no. priced in we're up 115 points on the dow.

what's interesting here is how fed chair powell signalled this. it's a two-pronged approach. we're talking a lot about interest rates but it's important to point out what they're trying to offload some of balance sheet here. as they try to figure that out and getting into the specifics of it in this document right now in front of me, the idea is basically it would be the equivalent according to fed chair powell of two interest rate hikes in the form of the balance sheet being lightened. the goal back in march was to start to get inflation to go down by summertime. but at 2:30 he's going to give a rest press conference. we are going to be all over that for you. >> and we will also be all over that for you. both of you synthesizing this as it is coming in in realtime. thank you. we'll check back in with you in the next hour or two. >> let's turn to the other big

news here out of washington. the aftermath of that leaked draft decision on roe v. wade on the supreme court. several affirming their decision to put in place these trigger laws, to trigger abortion bans if roe v. wade gets struck down. check out this map here. you've got more than a dozen states, 13 of them, that would put in place an abortion ban by way of a trigger law, meaning as soon as the court decides to overturn roe, if that happens, the process begins. in so many states it takes typically like 30 days. some state leaders aren't waiting. oklahoma just passed a six-week ban similar to the texas law on the books. you remember that controversial one, the most restrictive. joining me is yasmin vossoughian outside the supreme court and

kathy park in knoxville, tennessee. we're going to talk more about the political intrigue in a second with new comments in from lisa murkowski, interestingly, who was fair to say not thrilled with what had leaked given that she was one of the republican senators with her and senator susan collins, who had pressed these then nominees, now justices on their possession -- position on potentially overturning row. these are continuing again as we hit hour 48 of this news cycle. >> the demonstrations are continuing. overnight the demonstrations were a heck of a lot bigger. these barriers were set up a little bit earlier on today. last night you could have gone all the way up to the supreme court steps. throughout the day that, crowd has been growing. i'm going to show you that crowd in a moment. i'll get up and close and personal with them in a moment. i have this young mom, jessica,

i've been chasing her son all day on the scooter to keep him here. he's a little dehydrated. talk to me. what is upsetting you about today? why did you decide to come out today? >> i wanted to show the kids what our country is about, we get to make our voices heard and stand up for our rights. and i also -- i know from being a mom that getting to have kids is a huge change in your life and your body and it should be the individual's choice. >> reporter: what is it about being a mom now of two boys that has made you feel so much more impassioned about your position. >> i think i understand how much it costs on a person's body and time. it changes your life to become a parent. that's been my experience and i don't think it's something that should be taken lightly. >> thank you so much. kaleb, thanks for being patient, buddy. that little baby, they call him

cheeks, if you saw those cheeks briefly. i want to show you guys the lay of the land now. literally this protest has been growing exponentially. they're creating a circle around each other, chanting of course, for women's rights, for the protection of women's rights here. and it's been growing all throughout the day. and i think one. most fascinating things here, halle, that i've seen all day is this -- it is a generational conversation. there are women here, halle, today, that have never known life without roe v. wade in place, seeing it as the law of the land, something that's been in place the last half century. there are women here that know what life was like when abortion was illegal. they, too, are protesting the right for women. an argument went down, a 13-year-old girl, who flew out here from san francisco to protest and an 80-year-old woman who was protesting against women

rights. it was that conversation that was so fascinating to me because it's a conversation that's happening across the country right now, this generational divide. as we take a look and watch what happens when this decision actually comes down from the supreme court. >> yasmin vossoughian outside the supreme court. kathy park, let me go to you. you are sort of out in the world in the country where this is happening. you're in tennessee and you've been talking with people there, right? >> halle, that's absolutely right. this conversation is literally happening in all corners of the country, including tennessee. it's a conservative leaning state. you would think the viewpoints would be a bit slanted but based on the conversations we've been having on the ground, the viewpoints are mixed. so here in knoxville specifically yesterday there was a large crowd that gathered in front of the federal courthouse,

which is a couple of blocks from where we are standing right now and the group of roughly around 100 people, they were out demonstrating, defending roe v. wade, expressing their frustration and anger for possible reversal of women's rights. this morning we ran into a woman visiting from paducah, kentucky. she had the opposite reaction. take a listen. >> as a woman, i can understand how a lot of women would be upset either way. but as a mother and a pro-life mother, i'm actually happy that they're thinking about overturning this. >> and, halle, i know you mentioned this earlier on in the segment but tennessee is one of the 13 trigger law states and that law passed in 2019. what does that mean? abortions would be banned 30 days after and if roe v. wade were to be struck down.

it will be illegal for medical providers and doctors to move forward with this procedure and they would be facing prosecution and they could be looking at prison time and a fine of up to $10,000 and the only exception would be if the woman was pregnant and somehow it could endanger the mother's life. >> kathy park live for us in knoxville. given everything you just heard from kathy and yasmin, what is next? >> and in mariupol, the mayor says more than 30 ukrainian kids are still being sheltered. and live to ohio for an important primary election. and former president trump's hold on the republican party. hoy the longest-lasting flea and tick protection.

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abortion rights advocates are reminding people at this point in time, despite that leaked draft suggesting a majority of -- if the decision is to overturn roe, abortion would be a patchwork of state laws. advocates say it's what they've been preparing for for decades. let me bring in president and ceo of the planned parenthood federation of america. pull back the curtain for a little bit. if yesterday was day one of what felt like for abortion rights activist as new reality given this leaked draft, how has day two been different? what is planned parenthood doing

differently now given what we anticipate seeing potentially in late june or early july from the court? >> we've actually been planning for this moment, i would say. what was shocking was to see a leaked draft opinion from the supreme court but what was in that opinion was not as surprising. we heard it during the oral arguments, we heard it during the questions and our job over the last few months has been to try to impart to folks the reality that roe was very likely to be overturned and if they just focused on the mississippi ban, the 15-week ban, it would have still been the beginning of the end of the access. what changes now after we have everyone out in the streets, now that everyone is showing up as best we can, is continuing to be loud, it's continuing to make sure elected officials see this outrage and to pivot immediately into capturing that rage and letting people know that we will hold them accountable if they don't address this federally and

within the states. >> former president obama put it like this, that elections have consequences. right now, though, before the mid terms, before we see a new congress elected, what should representatives in the building behind me be doing? what do you want to see them do realistically considering that this health protection act that chuck schumer wants to bring to the floor looks unlikely to have the math to pass. >> it still continues to be an important vehicle for us to drive accountability. we have to hold this congress to account on its position on whether or not they will protect access to abortion or not. so the fact that this vote is likely to happen next week is another opportunity for us to demonstrate who is trying to do the work to protect people and who is trying to also recognize, right, the impact of who these restrictions if roe is

overturned is likely to impact, black and brown and indigenous communities, lgbtq community and communities of low income. every day they'll have to show up and explain why they are not taking votes to support access to safe abortion. on may 14th we'll have a national day of action where we want supporters to show up across the country alongside, you know. coalition partners who also understand that their very rights are tied to this potential overturn of roe and that's critically important as well. >> you may have seen musician phoebe bridgers shared her story saying i had an abortion when i was on tour, i went to planned parenthood, everybody deserves that kind of access. what do you make of high-profile women sharing their stories like this? >> i think it's wonderful but i

also think everyone has stories, but whether it is their own personal abortion story or somebody they know who has had an abortion. it is very important for story telling to be centered in this moment. because the reality is one out of four people has had an abortion. so it should be more normalized. it is an opportunity for us to destigmatize and talk about the broad impact that will happen. we're talking about 26 states moving quickly to ban access emboldened by this, you know, court and certainly even more so with this draft opinion. and the impact on that. the impact on 36 million people who are living in these states who could give birth is really, really unconscionable. and we always know the barriers are going to be hardest on those who have already been marginalized in society. so i think it is really important to tell stories but not just of celebrities and artists, every day folks who are

showing up every day. >> you talk about a call to action, right, and your hope that people who support planned parenthood, who support abortion access will rise to this moment, if you will. what is the best strategy for folks? some people are suggesting, hey, maybe don't donate to planned parenthood, maybe donate to a smaller clinic. maybe that's a tough question since you run planned parenthood. >> it's not a tough question at all. it's critically important to support abortion funds and independent clinics, particularly the ones in areas where we'll continue to be litigating and fighting alongside our partners. there is, you know, keep a clin clinic.org that is dedicated to ensuring that independent providers in states are there that in order to hold the cases are critical.

i think we have a very broad ecosystem that is fighting as hard as we can, reproductive rights, health and justice organizations along with abortion funds and we will need every single partner resourced in order to sustain this fight. so it's actually not a hard question at all. i think we need to make sure that everyone is able and prepared to move forward together. >> thank you very much. appreciate you being with us this afternoon. >> thank you. >> we talked about the congressional piece of this. how will democrats in congress respond if roe is overturned. debbie stabenow joins news just a bit. and the latest out of ukraine. fighting picking up in one of the last places of resistance, a steel plant. that's coming up. resistance, a steel plant. that's coming up

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port city, the mayor there says he's lost contact with the ukrainian troops. there are a few innocent civilians waiting to be rescued, including kids. and hungary and slovakia might derail the eu's proposal to end russia's imports. they are very reliant on russian crude oil. the european commission is considering exempting them from the ban. all 27 member nations have to agree for an embargo to go into effect. i want to bring in kelly cobiella. tell us about what you see on the ground, particularly related to the steel plant and attempted evacuations there. >> reporter: we're hearing a senior ukrainian lawmaker has

reestablished contact with the fighters in that plant. the government does once again have the ability to talk to them and what they're saying is that the russians are in fact storming the plant, they're trying to get hold of this last pocket of resistance, these fighters have been holding out for weeks at this plant. as you said, there are about 200 or more civilians still underneath the plant. there's a huge network tunnels and bomb shelters underneath and among that group is about 30 children. the united nations and red cross were hoping to get back to the plant, hoping to rescue more people from there and from other parts of the city but tonight that just doesn't seem possible given the situation there. we spoke to the mayor of mariupol earlier today and he said they did lose contact with the fighters there for a good period of time today. that plant is being stormed, despite russian assurances and a

russian agreement that that would be halted so that these people could get out. but a really desperate situation here. we've been talking to a woman whose husband has been fighting in the plant. when we spoke to her last week she said i pray every day he can just get out alive. he texts her as often as he can get a signal and as often as he's able and she hasn't heard from him now in five days. so a very desperate situation. >> clearly, kelly. can you give us the assessment by the eu to ban oil. this seems to be emerging as a sticking point obviously. >> reporter: yeah. when it comes to phasing out the russian oil that's going to be something that diplomacy with european diplomacy is going to have to work out. these countries are going to have to work this out amongst their neighbors. hungary and slovakia are very

dependent on russian oil, particularly germany. less so but very dependent on russian gas. you also have a situation here in the country and i know you're showing this video now, you hear that bomb where the russians are desperately trying to knock out the infrastructure in this country. and what you see there, what you hear there is we believe a strike on the railway, the rail station about a mile and a half from where we are, from our hotel. we heard the air sirens about an hour and a half ago shortly thereafter, about an hour ago, we heard the boom, my very quick thinking photojournalist who is behind the camera pulled out his iphone and caught that phone and smoke of what we believe was a missile hitting the rail infrastructure here in dnipro and this comes after a bombardment yesterday on rail

infrastructure in eight different regions of the country. so really trying to go after that rail network in order to isolate ukraine but even more hoping to stop the transport of western weapons here. and when it comes to that circling back to that question of oil, that's something that's more of a long-term plan, it's not something that is really going to put the squeeze from what we understand on the russians in the short term. >> kelly cobiella, live for us from ukraine. with me is the advisor to president zelenskyy's chief of staff. thank you for being back on the show. good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon. i'm also in dnipro now and i can confirm about one hour ago with the shelling of the city i heard it like 1,500 feet from here and it was shelling on the railway bridge to destroy the railway breach and the possibility for ukrainian trains to cross the

dnipro river, one of the biggest rivers in europe. >> talk to me more about that. my colleague explained in her reporting the russians continue to attack these railways, hubs, power stations, et cetera. what is the plan to keep up the ukrainian resistance against those specific kind of attacks given what you've just seen and are describing to us. >> i'm a member of the supervisory board of the ukrainian railway. i can confirm the last few days they bormd our electronic substations to block the ability for ukrainian railways to deliver weapons from the west and block immigration from the east. so this is a bloody war and they started two months ago and it's ongoing and now russia understood they are not able to win this war. they're just trying to prevent their loss of this war. this is why they're bombing our

railway infrastructure and they are trying to bomb the crucial electronic substations, to destroy the bridges, to stop this military supply and to stop the emigration of ukrainians. >> how about what's happening in mariupol, specifically the steel plant. the mayor said he's lost touch with people defending that position. has the president's office heard anything, any update for us in the fight in that location? >> i've heard that there was attack of russian in the plant and they crossed the entrance and at the same time, please understand that this factory is huge. it's not just like small factory. we can now clear information as they go now where they based now, russian soldiers, but this is what we know from our

sources. we are looking for -- there are more than 500 civilians. at the same time we are calling for global leaders to play their role to stop this surrounding of mariupol to stop this there. >> and when you talk about the onus on the global community right now, there is that news of the eu's ban on russian oil and the resistance from hungary and slovakia to that to this point so far. what is your message to the eu on this front? had. >> my message is that this is a time for european unity. we are calling our partners, our neighbors especially, our neighbors, it's slovakia and hungary and we are calling our neighbors to remember that it's not just war between ukraine and russia, this is a war of putin against global order and against the european institutions, which

made the safe life the europeans including hungarians and slovakians possible. they're trying to restore the global order to reshuffle the opportunities for this country. after ukraine, after ukraine in case of ukraine defeat, he will go further to destroy nato to show nato is not able to protect its members and that nato is not to be integrated for. it's not an institution able to defend its members. >> you mentioned you sit on a supervisory board for the railways. a senior u.s. official is saying russian strikes on those railways and some of these power plants, these electrical locations that we've talked about are not having an appreciable impact on ukraine's ability to resupply itself. is that an accurate assessment based on what you know? >> we are trying to keep this information confidential, what we can say, that these attacks

are ongoing every day and yesterday it was six different locations to be attacked. and it's happened again today. they have damage from ukrainian railway infrastructure. it can be not just for weapon supply difficult but also for just regular people going through the country to leave this dangerous area, impossible to do. it's very important to say ukrainian rail is very much let's say different -- we have a lot of stations, we have a lot of depots. sometimes we can fix the problems very fast and we very much appreciate the work of our people able to do this fixation of problems very fast. so as of today, ukraine railway is going. we call for global leaders to defend us from the sky, not to

let the missile rockets and weapons to destroyer our infrastructure. today we were to another substation that was destroyed. they are trying to block electronic to go from ukraine to geneva. because of the shortage of diesel, it will be problem for us after the blocking, it will be difficult for us to use diesel and it will make it much slower the delivering of weapons. >> thank you very much for being with us for your assessment of where things stand currently on the ground based on your knowledge and expertise and being in the region. >> coming up, turning back to politics here at home and the donald trump-backed candidate winning the ohio senate primary. what does that really say about the power of a trump endorsement? coming up after the break. p endorsement? coming up after the break. it was time for a nunormal with nucala. nucala is a once monthly add-on treatment

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both president biden, senator schumer, i know you as well want to see the protections in rowe codified. the math just isn't there for democrats. so what is the strategy here? >> halle, first of all, this has gone from being theoretical to being real. this is the ultimate intrusion in our lives as women, as far as our right to privacy and certainly reproductive health decisions. this is very real and i'm going to do everything in my power, as is the president and our caucus to get roe v. wade codified if at all possible. that's what we want to do. the house has passed the women's health protection act already and we would love to pass it in the senate. we would love to see an exemption at least to the

filibuster rule to get that done, see pro-choice republicans join us if they're serious about protecting women's health care and women's abilities to make their own decisions. we're going to push forward next week on a vote. ultimately this is going to be about this election and whether or not we're going to add more pro-choice democrats to the united states senate so we can address this very specifically and whether we can keep democrats in the u.s. house of representatives or whether we're going to see 50 years of legal precedent thrown out the window. >> senator, gut check me here. i know you will correct me if i'm misreading this. when i listen to you speak that last sentence describing what you would like to see done, perhaps an embassy emshun to the filibuster, perhaps republicans getting on board. it sound like when you say this is about elections and the mid

terms, are you cedeing the point that it's unlikely it will happen this congress? >> halle, the way that happens is for the american people, for american women to weigh in loudly right now with the united states senators. that's the way to make it happen. we'll do everything that we can. i mean, right now we have something called a filibuster, which means you have to have at least ten republicans that are joining us. and certainly after watching the fact that this has been the number one prior for mitch mcconnell now and republicans for decades and decades changing the court, radical right-wingers on the court, doing everything they can to be able to take away a woman's right to choose, this is going to be pretty tough to get to 60. so the question is whether or not we can get an exemption or not and -- >> do you think you can? >> that only happens if women across the country are weighing

in with their senators and both republicans and democrats. and we're going to have the vote. people will see where senators are. they will see yes or nowhere they are and the cdc forecast shows that consisted of deaths and hospitalizations are likely going to increase over the next four weeks. a new survey finds most parents

with kids under five are not planning on vaccinating them against covid-19 when the vaccine becomes available. at least not right away. cnn cornered elizabeth cohen, what are parents saying? >> victor, parents seem a little hesitant about getting the vaccine, some want it right now. others are, no, not so much. let's look at what the kaiser family foundation found. they found as soon as available. 18%, wait and see, 40%, 11% said only if i have to, like, for example to send them to school and 21% said they definitely won't and it's that 21% that you really, 27% rather that you really worry about, victor, i will tell you, let's keep in mind, not all the data is out there. maybe it's wise, the data is not all out. we should be seeing it in the coming weeks. to take a look at what's happening with covid, there has

been interesting work by the looking at whether or not we're in a new wave of covid, kaiser, the same folks, they asked, are we in a new covid wave? the answer depends on to what political party you were aligned with, for democrats, 53% of them said, yes, we are in a new covid wave, for republicans, 15% said yes, we are in a new covid wave. so just to let you know, cases and hospitalizations are ticking up slightly. we don't know if that means that we are officially in a new wave now. we do know the cdc is forecasting that we will see more deaths in the coming weeks than we have seen in the past. so if you look at that forecast from a 4 through 28. 432 deaths per day currently there is about 391 deaths per day. so the forecast is for a you know not a hugely, not many more, still, even one death is too many. victor. >> a small uptick in the wrong

direction, there. elizabeth cohen, thank you. family members of americans held illegally overseas protested outside the white house today. next, hear what they want from president biden. want from president biden.

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the protest organizers say the recent relets of american trevor reed was the lighter fluid to ask. kylie atwood has the message. trevor reed's family, paul whelan's family, they were there at first, public appearance together, what does that say? >> they were there, they were also family members of dozens of americans who are also wrongfully detain. their message today was very clear. first and foremost, it was they want the biden administration to do everything in their power to bring home their loved ones, no matter where they are detained, syria, iran, venezuela, russia, to name a few of those countries. the other thing they were very explicit about is the fact that these families want to meet with president biden. they saw how a meeting between trevor reed's family and president biden was one of the things that appeared to cede up the release of trevor reed, who

was detained in russia and returned here to the united states last week. so they made it very clear that they, too, want to meet with president biden and they think he would understand the plight, the challenge, if they sit down and speak face-to-face. elizabeth wheeling is the sister of another wrongfully detained in russia. listen to what she had to say about this traveling labyrinth about getting her troubled brother home. >> it's like entering a labyrinth where no one can get out. you don't know who your loved one is or who will hurt you or help you along the way. everyone stepped in the labyrinth still for that same moment, for that one door to open and our loved one to walk through. >> i call on the administration to use every tool at their disposal and reunite our

families. >> we should note that earlier this week, austin tice's parents, he was an american. they did meet with president biden. they told you they have a sustainment on this issue. it's a challenge. the united states and syria what they are saying there needs to be negotiations to get their son out of the current. >>