families. >> we should note that earlier this week, austin tice's parents, he was an american. they did meet with president biden. they told you they have a sustainment on this issue. it's a challenge. the united states and syria what they are saying there needs to be negotiations to get their son out of the current. >>

the markets are digesting this whole thing. we will talk about what this means and the effect on everything from loans to credit cashed rates. peter alexander is at the white house peter, let me start with you. we saw the president getting further into this discussion over abortion access as it relates to the draft decision coming oout. in a concrete way, peter, talk about what the white house plans to do with this flight. it's been kicking it over to congress. congress is a little bit stuck we have been talking about. they don't have the vote to codify the protections in e roe, so what happened? >> we have been asking the white

house. they haven't detailed any particular strategy on what they might be able to do in piecemeal, to provide resources to protect women's retrouktive rights there is nothing in the final decision over the course of the next month or two right now. instead, we heard the president. i have been speaking to his advisors privately. we were trying to get the democrats in particular to vote against the pro-abortion rights candidates later this fall. the president when we heard from him earlier today was a part of that magna crowd, president trump's allies, saying they support what he described as an extreme agenda. here's the president a short time ago. >> this is about a lot more than abortion. the idea that somehow there is an inherent right. there is no right of privacy. what are the next things you want to attack? because this maga crowd is really the most extreme

political organization that's existed in american history. >> reporter: what are those next things? the president saying the supreme court based on the rationale could be unraveling other privacy rights like contraception and gay marriage and beyond. what you hear from conversations with the president's allies. i spoke to one senior adviser to the president, they said that they believe this will be a moment that galvanizes ahead of november right now. they recognize, the white house certainly does, the filibuster. they will not be able to end the filibuster. they tried something not too similar on this topic in february. the votes weren't there. the votes of lisa murcowski and susan collins in the word of susan collins or lisa murcowski they were mislead with gorsuch and kavanaugh, their testimony doesn't match in terms of their action right now.

even with them, they don't have enough democrats to end the filibuster and certainly not to guarantee the right to an abortion nationwide. so all eyes from this white house, frankly, and the president's aides, allies and democrats are focused on november. >> peter alexander, we will get to you, before we get to yamiche. for what you are seeing outside the supreme court. >> reporter: a little of what i am seeing. right before this, there was a heated exchange between folks for abortion rights or against abortion rights. that has now dissipated. the protesters are felt here. you see some science here, abortion is essential healthcare, my body, my choice. let's walk towards the steps of scottus here. if you are not outraged, you are not paying attention, a lot of women out here all throughout the day. i am here as well. i want to speak with you, charles, come with me so i can

show her this. she was out here. she was in the lineup earlier where the police were right in the middle of dividing both sides of the aisle. what brings you out here today? >> today i am here women of color, specifically african-american women of color are at risk at disproportional rates for the right to abort i am here for my brothers and sistersened i am the oldest forethem to have the right to be able to choose their life. >> reporter: what do you want the government to do? you can talk to me. >> i want the government to recognize the science behind safe abortions. abortions are not going to stop if we put a ban on them. they will just happen in unself and unhealthy ways. it will actually contradict what they are claiming is that it saves lives. it does not save lives. i've heard people that are

suicidal. they can't afford to take care of a child. that is not saving anybody's life. that is making the effort for human rights to fully be contradicted. that is why i am here today. >> i have one more for you. stick with me. sucker is out here as well, leading the protest. she has a sign here on the ground. what brings you out here today? >> i am here because just like this banner right here, just like it says, i would rather go to a protest than go to a funeral when there is a safe and effective procedure for women, there is no reason for them to beb having back alley abortions. there are people here that we're alive when this is going on in the '70s and it's ridiculous that the courts think they can give us our right and then take it away as well. i want to let them know they

can't pitch it away. abortion will continue no matter what. the eyes of the american people are right on them right now. >> thank you so much, summer. watch for this. you are hearing the sentiment. i told you about the fact a little earlier, there were women out here protesting abortion rights. that said, you were talking to peter about this. what's next? what is ahead here? there is a real worry here that the government will not be able to do anything because of the filibuster. because of the slim majority. we have to wait and see. we are coming out of the white house along with congress to see what happens here, if this comes down from scotus. >> thanks remember louisiana is one of 13 states as soon as roe is overturned. i say soon. it would take 30 days to go through and actually happen. talk to us about what you are seeing on the ground. >> reporter: well, i'm here in

shreveport, louisiana at hope medical group for women. this is one of only three abortion clinics in this state. they're not just servicing people in louisiana. they are servicing the region, especially women out of texas, that state passed a ban on abortion after six weeks, administrators here told me they have been inundated with women coming from texas and other places to seek their services, their weight lists sometimes are 300 women. listen a little bit about what she said to me when she was talking about who would be impacted if roe v. wade would be overturned. >> roe v. wade is overturned, louisiana becomes a wasteland as far as women's healthcare as far as we're concerned. and this is a state that's poor. this is a state that has the highest maternal mortality rate in the nation or very close to it. we're first or second. so it's unconscionable. i don't see how anyone can call

themselves pro-life and yet put women in this predicament. >> reporter: so what you hear, kathleen saying there is really echoed on the steps of the supreme court. she is saying women are at risk. women's lives will not be safer if they are not able to exact abortion rates. women overwhelmingly live over the poverty line and women of color. i want to explain what it means that this clinic, which would be forced to shut down if roe v. wade was overturned. if you were in houston, texas, you would have to drive 12 hours to colorado, in shreveport to illinois possibly for 11 hours, in atlanta, georgia, you'd have to go to maryland for ten hours, biloxi, mississippi, you have to drive ten hours. when i was asking people on the ground, what are they looking to washington for? they tell me they have little faith washington will change this situation. they are saying they are trying

to make plans to how to figure out what to do next to provide long treks to get the access they will need if abortion is struck down here. it's telling to me when you put the politics and the people together. the people on the ground are saying, yes, it's great, washington is talking about passing laws, people are talking on the ground about solutions that will have to be done quickly and immediately if not done earlier. >> thank you so much for bringing us that perspective on the ground in louisiana. appreciate it. we got breaking news we are following on the economy. let's look at the big board after the fed announced in the last hour, it will raise interest rates by half a percent. let me put this the other way. it's the biggest rate hike from the fed in more than 20 years. we have fed chair jerome powell. this is a live shot. he is taking questions from reporters. he is saying the whole point of this, the whole reason is to try to get inflation, soaring prices that you probably felt is to try

to get that under control. watch. >> inflation is much too high and we understand the hardship it is causing. and we're moving expeditiously to bring it back down. we have the tools we need and resolve to restore price stability on behalf of american families and businesses. >> so, this move to raise interest rates is probably going to mean higher interest rates for you on stuff like credit card, emergency, car loans, savings accounts, too, you see on the graphic there. if you already have a fixed rate mortgage, your rate is probably not going up, same thing for car loans that exist and student loans that you have. let's bring in jolene kent. >> sometimes when the fed chair talks, it's about interpreting his tone and the way he is saying thing and the exact language he is using. help be our j. powell interpreter if you will. >> i can tell you today, actions speak louder than words.

so much of this was built into what we expected. fed chair powell signaling over the last month, what he was going to do. unanimously, the federal reserve voted to do it, the raise interest rates a half opoint. looking ahead, that's where the key components of this inflation situation are, we do expect more half point increases in the next few months over the next few hikes. he's taken off the table in the press conference the idea of a three-quarter point hike, saying that that might be a little bit too much and could then trigger some of these fears that people have about a possible recession. he did acknowledge that raising rates, reducing inflation and avoiding a recession is going to be very challenging. what's interesting here is fed care powell saying this is a strong economy. he says nothing suggests close to or vulnerable to a recession. but a lot of economists disagree with that at this point.

but you can overall expect rates to be at about 2% by the end of july and the factors here that they are watching ukraine, china, supply chain issues and, of course, looking ahead, it will continue to go up, no changes on the future when it comes to raising rates through the end of the year and possibly into next year. >> jolene kent, are you all over it. thank you so much. we look forward to you today on our streaming can em. next up, we will hear from pentagon officials on the update on the war in ukraine. that's a live look of the pittsburgh press secretary. plus, we are live in ukraine with president zelenskyy set to speak any minute now. and breaking news on the new quest to get a wnba star detained in russia back home. who is now working with her family to try to get brittney griner free. we are talking with the families of one current and former russian prisoner, what they had

to say outside the white house today. don't many is that interview coming up in just a few minutes.

. any minute now, the ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy will talk about people gathered all across that country. the speech from a senior defense official tells nbc news russia is stepping up strikes on infrastructure in ukraine, especially railway stations. it hasn't stopped western weapons from getting to people that feed them. while weapons flow into hands, we got the eu chief announcing today that they'll propose a ban of russian imports on territories. in mariupol, that hard-hit port city, russian officials deny their forces are launching a new assault on a steel plant there. hundreds of civilians have escaped through humanitarian quarters recently. ukraine says a lot more are still trapped. i want to bring in correspondent

matt bradley. you are in a city zapporitzia a key location people are trying to get away and out of mariupol, right? >> reporter: yeah, not just from mariupol, but the entire southern region. yesterday, we had that much anticipated arrival of so many buses coming from mariupol and the steam plant. these people were quite literally going from darkness into light. they had been holed up underneath that steel works for more than two months and all of these people were so grateful to be alive, it was bittersweet. if you were in the steel center as a civilian, it was most likely you were there because you had a relative, a father, a brother, a son, a husband who was in the military who was serving in mariupol who was defending those steel works, the last bastion of the ukrainian presence in that city. so everybody we spoke to

basically had some loved one that was left inside the steel works. so i spoke with just today someone who had gotten to zapporitzia yesterday. she left her son there, she hasn't spoken to him in several weeks. she was among several people like us are now looking at the news and don't have full access to a lot of information. they can now see that no one is able to reach these people. these men were still fighting for the steel works. i have a correspondent there, he has not reached me either. here's what she says when we spoke to her. we understand your son is still there, is that correct, he is fighting? >> yes. >> what was it like leaving him? ?

>> reporter: and this is the story that we heard over and over again, they're so grateful that they're finally free. but everyone, everyone, has left someone dear to them inside those steel works. >> you see how desperate the situation is when you listen to her. matt bradley, thank you very much, appreciate it. we got breaking news from minnesota this afternoon with the judge overseeing that federal civil rights case against derek chauvin apparently accepting a plea deal. you remember him. you see him on screen, the former minneapolis police officer convicted of murdering george floyd. i want to bring in danny savales. what does it mean, explain it to us? >>. >> reporter: chauvin entered

this plea deal. he had been in talks with the government for some time. this is a federal case brought under the civil rights division under the department of justice. it's very interesting, in the plea deal, itself, it says, this is only between the civil rights division and the district of minnesota, so other district is involved. that has to be a ghost story result of the issue with the jeffrey epstein plea deals. but the point is with the chauvin case, he is now pleading guilty and in that plea deal, it indicates he is going to be in a sense helping the government against any defenses by his co-defendants by saying that they were not, that he didn't order them to do anything and they can't claim that. >> yeah, explain that more. it is my understanding this deal would only apply to chauvin, not to these three other officers facing federal civil rights charges. so i don't want to over interpret what this means. you are the attorney. i'll let you do that. is this essentially chauvin getting this deal in order to

testify against his former co-workers? >> i'm paraphrasing, but in the language of the plea deal, chauvin says, i agree that i did not order the other co-defendants to violate these rules and that's you know a preview. that's the government cutting off at the pass the potential defense of, well, chauvin was a training officer and he told me to do this. so you can see in the plea deal, itself, what the government's strategy s. they dangled out an offer to chauvin. all he had to do in order to take the benefit of that deal was agree to certain things. one of which is that, for example, i didn't order those guys to do bad things. they did them all of their own accord. so that is just one more arrow in a quiver of the government as they go after the other co-defendants. it's textbook here. he is pleading guilty. they get the guilty. it helps them in their case against the co-defendants. >> this is the end of the road.

he is convicted of murdering george floyd this case has been remaining. is this it for him? or is there more to come legally for chauvin? >> there is always a possibility of a civil case. there is potentially a criminal case. if i were betting on it, i would say this is the end of the road for chauvin. after all, he entered into the plea deal at all likely believing this will be the end of it. this is a major sign he is essentially giving up on the federal side of the case. it's not fight at all odds until the very bitter end. >> thank you for that breakdown. appreciate it. still ahead, we are talking about that big win for former president trump in ohio. even though his name wasn't the one on the ballot. what does that mean for his hand picked candidates in other key races coming up. we are learning another member is in court to enter a plea deal for charges related to january 6th. we will have the latest coming up in the show. up in the show. i fought for freedom abroad.

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versus wade. this is doming in from alaska senator liss ka murcowski. you can see her here, she'd be willing to look at legislation the democrats plan to bring to the floor next week. they would codify protections under roe. look at how she puts it here. >> i have proposed along with senator collins was the very simple codification of roe. so that's what we had done back in february, if there is something new that is on the table today, obviously, we will take a look at it. >> so, listen, needs to be said there, obviously not committal as she noted she opposed something similar when it came up in february, this piece of legislation. all said, though, that bombshell leaked draft from the supreme court comes in about 500 pieces of legislation restricting abortion had been passed in a variety of states around the country. they range in scope from asset limits and consent to outright

bans to bans on medication abortion or the mailing of abortion pills. that is the backdrop from what we are seeing in the political landscape as a series of key primaries happens all across the country, starting, of course, this week in ohio, ahead to pennsylvania and georgia coming up this month to closely-watched races, to by abortion has become more a key issue for voters. look at what happened in ohio. right? you probably seen the results, j.d. vance will face offwith tim ryan come november. vance was backed by former president trump. ohio is not the only state where donald trump is putting his endorsement muscle, if you will, to the test. in pennsylvania, he's backing, of course, dr. oz who is neck and neck with his next leading opponent david mccormick. in georgia, herschel walker has two-thirds support this that

race. jessie is live covering vance's win there. as we look ahead to what's coming up in pennsylvania, where donald trump will be for a rally later on this week in georgia, for example, you know, one ohio senate primary is not to extrapolate to the end of time donald trump's endorsement. it is a key data point, though? >> reporter: i think the answer is yes, but. when we look at georgia specifically, you also have the incumbent governor brian kevin up against david purdue, purdue has the endorsement of donald trump. when you look at the local polls there, the incumbent kemp is in front place. he butted heads to put it likely about the results of the 2020 election. so the idea of fully embracing trump doesn't necessarily guarantee you ask es in a primary. what we saw here in ohio in the

gop senate field, with that pretty much every candidate in some way had donald trump's fingerprint on their campaign. it might have been messaging, policy, it might have been both. some saw as the moderate as the more anti-trump candidate, even when i asked him said that he would be a trump republican. someone to get trump policies done here in ohio. it is undisputable is that j.d. vance who was in third place in the earlier polls shot to the top with the endorsement of donald trump. the money porting. you can see he ran up the lead. those other two candidates polling strongly in some way were leaning into trump policies, rhetoric or the case of josh manned em, literally having pro trump across the stream in his advertisement. donald trump is all over the gop. even if his endorsed candidates don't win, his brand and imaging still is. >> jesse, thank you. sticking with politics, right, the shadow of this

potential supreme court decision. i say potential because it's not final yet. they may overturn roe versus wade, looking likely to overturn roe, hanging over the key races in the mid-terms. i want to bring in congresswoman barbara lee, democrat from california and the house pro choice caucus. thank you very much for being with us this afternoon. good afternoon to you. >> good afternoon. nice being with you. thank you for having me. >> of course. so, right before i think you joined us when we were teeing off jessie kirsch there, talking about the political backdrop to all of this, we heard from lisa murcowski who suggested she will look at the bill senate democrats want to look at the bill that will codify the protections in roe. she will look. she made no commitment to joining. if she did, they don't have the numbers they would need given the filibuster here. your reaction to what we heard given where she has been in this process? >> well, my reaction is that i

hope she will do the right thing. she, of course, indicated that she supported roe versus wade and thought that the proper appointees did also. evidentially, she missed that. let's hope she and senator collins and others really understand that what this leaked document, if it's true and i'll, you know -- >> yeah. >> if it's true, that this is the beginning of the erosion of our fundamental am constitutional right so, hopefully, she and other senators will understand that this is a matter that opens up the door. it's a slippery slope to undermine all of our constitutional rights. let's hope that she does the right thing. also let me tell you, what's extremely important is that republican women, the public overwhelmingly supports row versus wade, so the political

movement from the public weighs in with their members of the senate, they will hold them accountable and they should protect the women's health protection act to make sure our constitutional rights aren't eliminated. >> to that, you support abolishing the senate, you would urge your senate colleagues to do that and pass the health protections act in roe. are you at all concerned that if republicans were to take the house and the senate, presumably will vote come november, that they could then move to codify abortion bans, for example? and make that the federal law of the land? >> you know, that's always a consideration. but let me tell you, i think we have to do what we have to do on behalf of the person people. we intend to work very hard to end. this is a fundament am issue that has to do with constitutional rights, protecting abortion access is

extremely important. this is about reproductive freedom. it's about racial justice. because we know that states that still have abortion access and protect will like california will be a safe haven for women. but we know it's black and brown indigenous women, asia-pacific american women at the end of the economic ladder who may not have the resources to travel to other states. so let's hope the senators, yes, i who ep that we can change the filibuster and the senators will do the right thing. because just like voting rights, these are fundamental rights that are being taken away, voter suppression laws are being passed throughout the states, voting rights are undermined in many states now, for black people, for people of color, for women, for the disabled. for seniors, for young people. and so we've got to recognize that we have to do what we have to do to protect our democracy. this is another effort to record that in.

>> very quickly, before i let you go, i want to ask something that will change the chamber of the house in texas. the challenger saying incumbent henry way quayar should not have the backing because of his position on abortion. he says he's catholic, doesn't support abortion but doesn't say there should be an outright ban and there should be a statement for rape, and danger to the mother. should they not be backing congressman quwayar? >> the people will decide who will be representative. >> to be in the party for somebody of his views? >> first of all, the constitutional right to an abortion is what is essential and we have to protect every single aspect of that and candidates are going to be held accountable to whether or not

they support a woman's right to protect, a woman's right in terms of making her own medical and healthcare decisions. i think that's the issue and candidates will have to be accountable to their constituents. that's what i said earlier. members who are running for congress, like in the senate, their districts should raise their voices about what is taking place, knowing this could lead to the ban on abortion access, finally i want to say. i am communicating this, like other members, abortions are still legal. wherever you live, note they're legal and states are receiving people from texas and other states for the most part, where it's already been banned that still abortion access is there. roe versus wade has not been overturned yet. we are fighting to make sure that members of congress, candidates who are running should step up and do the right thing on behalf of the american people and on behalf of our

democracy. the public supports roe versus wade. >> thank you very much for your time this afternoon. next up, we will get an update on trevor reed days after he was freed from russia. and on another american detained there. both of their families will join me live right here in this studio coming up after the barack. studio coming up after te barack break. umber. break. ay. reak.reak when someone asked for my medicare number in a text, i knew it was a scam. nice catch. and, your mother knew it wasn't a real email. go, mom! - i don't share my medicare number with strangers. - if you get a call, text or email - strike! - asking for your medicare or personal information, - delete! - shut it down. - nope! learn more at medicare.gov/fraud.

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draw attention to this, demonstrating as a part of the family's home campaign, pushing president biden to do something to take action to get their loved ones back. watch. >> we have 55 plus americans that have been left behind and that's not something we do. >> show more courage. we know you can do it. >> this is about americans protecting americans. >> we need some courage. we need to display a moral fiber for which this country is supposed to be known. >> among those who are still imprisoned, u.s. citizen paul whelan sentenced in june 2020 to 16 years in a russian prison camp on espionage charges. american officials strongly deny the legitimacy of those charges. joining me is his sister, elizabeth whelan and his brother and sister. thank you for making your way to the studio after what we saw at the white house today. elizabeth, paul has now spent

three years into a 16-year sentence. how is he doing? when did you last have contact with him? >> well, he is able to have short conversations with my phone, of course, listened to by the guards. but we are able to track a little bit how he is doing. he is hanging in there. when i say hanging in there, doing the best he can in a forced labor camp in the province of moldova in the middle of russia. we need to bring him home. >> reporter: what does it mean for you to be here? i know so viewers know. your families have interacted before given the situation of your loved once still if russia to be here with elizabeth, with these other families, what does it mean? >> paul was arrested eight months before trevor. we contacted elizabeth. she gave us so much help in the beginning. we tied our families together, both former marines in the same six, both arrested and convicted illegally except the fact that

they were americans and marines. we are here not only because he had that long relationship and there is other families that need our help, when trevor was released, his number one concern, his own concern about his health was that he was distraught that paul was left behind and he's coming to grips with that and we told himle that we have this event we had originally planned to come to. he said, i can't go there, i want you to go for me. >> because you say linked together, yet trevor is home and paul is not. i know that joe, in our past conversation, you gave credit face-to-face with president biden. you told me repeatedly, if i can just get in front of him, if i can make the case. you have not had a conversation with president biden? >> i did put in another request on monday. i've had a few before. i will say i've had a lot of interactions, i saw nsa dick sullivan this morning before the rally. >> what did he tell you about getting your brother out?

>> well, i believe he is very sincere in his expression of they're putting all of their efforts that they can into bringing paul home. that they don't necessarily feel that the job is done yet. but, of course, i can't go into the details about our conversations. but i think in general i do still want to see the president. i think it is important. we've realized that is a part of the sort of the equation. and for all of the families, all of the families that were out there today talk, you know, everybody has a story. we're just ordinary people, regular people whose examly members have become pawns in a geopolitical process way over our headch we need to theed astration to do the heavy lifting. sometimes we need to talk to the person at the top, in charge. >> trevor is back now for almost a week. how is he settling in? how is he doing?

how are you guys doing with his adjustment? >> he's doing okay. it will be quite an adjustment. she waiting on health checks and things of that nature. every time we see him, he seems a little bit more like himself. he's sharing stories, telling jokes. >> really? >>. >> yeah. he's doing all right. >> is he sleeping okay? is he sort of used to being back here in america in his own bed? >> his sleeping is not at the moment. it will take time. she extremely concerned about paul and the other americans. >> he asked? >> it's the first thing he asked. >> we asked him if he was okay the first time in the hospital to hug him, he said no then he -- >> we asked him, like physically, mentally. he said, i feel terrible that i'm here and palm is not. >> i see the emotion on all your faces in that story. because i know how deeply this affects you and i know that paul

when he heard about trevor's release was thrilled and also felt abandoned? >> exactly. >> so we found out sort of by, it was shocking when we heard the news in the morning and we got a call from the state department letting us know that trevor was on his way home but paul wasn't. and the thoughts that go through your head are myriad. we were overjoyed, of course, about trevor. but i aed to then call my elderly parents and let them know that their son was not going to be coming home. but all the media would be around trevor. and we had to then tell paul, we were expecting to be able to talk to him on a phone call, my parents did. later that day. what were we going to say? we found out that paul had already learned the news on russian television, the inmates translated to him what had happened. so the first word were, why have i been left behind? now i will say that as a family, it was really awful. we wanted nothing more than to be celebrating with the reeds.

we have worked so hard toke to bring both of them home and have always known that trevor might come home first or paul or whatever. it's always been a reality. but every family is not used to receiving this kind of news and deal with it. our emotions are on display in front of the nation as we're processing the information. so we went, you know, shock, then anger and then finally, okay. you know, everybody, we need to just move forward to do what we can to get paul home. >> is there still anger or do you feel based on your conversation with jake sullivan today and others in the administration, do you truly feel that the administration is making a wholehearted effort to get paul home? >> yes, do i, and even that day i did. it was the shock of learning the way that we did. so what i've asked the administration to consider in the future is families are not prepared for this sort of news, and in our heads, we need to game out how would we react when someone tells you something like

that, so multiple detainees in the country and we may have to bring them home individually. let the families know this is a scenario that could happen and they won't be quite so shocked. they might even be able to tell their loved one that this could possibly happen. >> a way to give hope instead of -- a way to give hope and this is just part of the reality of hostage diplomacy. sometimes there is a different tool that's possible for one person and a different one for the another and that's what's happening for trevor and paul. >> we talked in the beginning of the segment about ambassador richardson who you well know, helping brittany griner, meaning hostage affairs will take on her case and that is interesting as viewers of this show will know, ambassador was key in getting trevor home in opening some of those negotiations now working with griner. he was among the people that you thanked. i watched that live. we carried it over on the streaming channel when you and

your wife came out and spoke in the first news conference when he was released and you were almost gleeful at moments. >> oh, yeah. >> you had a lot of people to think thank and a lot of people you didn't thank. >> nicky bergman, both nobel peace prize winners and they were both instrumental in going to russia and in a secret mission, basically, but we've had great help from our congressman august lugar and he's an incredible human being and still helping trevor and congressman michael mccall in texas who has been shouting about trevor and paul for years now, and in congress and in public, and we had senator cornyn who helped us and introduced members in congress and said what can i do to help? and then we had the other senator ted cruz and i don't

think i can use a proper language on national tv to explain our feelings toward senator cruz. >> why? that seems intense. >> he was the first person that we contacted because he was the most well known and his staff said sometimes americans get detained in russia. that was their answer and after senator cornyn stepped in and said i want to help and he talked to us and said we'll introduce a resolution senator cruz's staff called and said putin hates senator cruz and he gets involved he could endanger your son. senator cruz called us, never spoke to him since two and a half years ago and he called us and wants to congratulate us. i said we could have used your help. he said oh, and he told us the story about oh, we couldn't do this. michael mccall speaks out against putin every day, and i said, and you never did. i watched the committee meetings

where my son was discussed in foreign relations and you never said a peep and all you were concerned about was nord stream 2. >> he said that's why putin hates me. if you really hated putin, why didn't you talk about cutting the 10% of oil we imported from russia and you seemed to be more interested in nord stream 2. >> so you got into it with the senator. we thanked him for his call and he said if anything i can do in the future, but he was -- we said we could have used your help two years ago. >> we'll obviously reach out to senator cruz's offers for a response to that. as you look ahead to the next piece of this. taylor, what would your message be to families like the whelans to the families who gathered outside of the white house this week? >> stick together. >> trevor has only been home a week and this is our battle that i don't think i've completely processed the fact that he's home. as a sister, i still feel

everything that you're feeling and what you're going through and we will continue to fight with you all until we can get as many people home as we can. >> this is a revolving door. we will always have americans taken hostage and we have to fight with different administrations with different different -- until we get politics out of it. >> you mentioned a difficult path versus taylor. >> i think everything is on the table. we can't forget that russia's in charge of how this goes -- you know, to a great extent. they get to decide what they're asking for. that starts any kind of negotiation. although when paul was first arrested, a number of different ideas were put out there as

possible exchange currency, basically, for him that might have changed. this is almost three and a half years later, so we're hoping that the current administration is pursuing the channel that they used to bring trevor home and that they'll do something quickly for paul. >> i can't help, but feel sitting with you three the emotion that's right there. understandably so, but with the three of you, right at the surface here. >> as sisters, we have to stand up for our brothers, the pain in the neck that they are and do what we can. >> and this situation drags you in and consumes you in a way that's hard to describe. you lose track of your friends. you're living in d.c., the people that you interact with now are the media, they're members of congress, they're staffers. they become your new family, your new friends and when someone comes home you just can't cut all of that, and we really appreciate that you are using your time as you sort of get back with your own lives to

help us, to help paul and to help the other families. it's extremely generous of you. >> this becomes your life and you're under constant breschur and constant stress and the only other people that get it are the other families going through this. to stop and say oh, our person came home, we're done with this now is not the kind of people. >> we've been luck we jonathan franks and montel williams supporting him and along people like you in the media to tell his story and we need you and the media to talk about all of the other americans especially paul and brittany and start getting the administration to start doing whatever it takes to get hem home quickly. >> we will always be shining a light on these stories and your brother and how your brother is doing and how the rest of the people are doing in countries detained around the world. thank you. i appreciate coming here today. >> we'll talk a deep breath and we'll switch gears and we have a bit of breaking news this hour.

with the federal court just in the last couple of minutes here and this relates to january 6th, accepting a third oath keeper's guilty plea on seditious. bring us up to speed. >> this is the third oath keeper guilty of seditious conspiracy. he will testify before the grand jury and the most significant component of this is he was in this room and described this moment in the phoenix park hotel right here in the capitol when he was in the room with stewart rhodes, the founder of the oath keepers who was heading it up and stewart rhodes in that suite was trying to get a trump intermediary on the phone and trying to get a direct line of communication with donald trump. that was pretty significant news in this new plea agreement and will move this oath keeper's fate forward and will have consequences for the january 6th investigation given this new line of communication with the oath keepers and the trump white

house. >> i have 40 seconds left, ryan. pull on that thread a little bit when you talk about significant consequences. what does that mean? >> yeah. this is a line of communication where the head of the oath keepers is basically trying to communicate directly with trump and said afterwards that this is a quote from stewart rhodes saying i just want to fight. bad news for stewart rhodes. it's awe mixed bag, i would say probably for the trump white house because it doesn't seem like he ever got through to trump in any way, but obviously, the big question right now is who the intermediary was. they're unidentified in the court document that should be coming out in moments and that's a significant question and who was the intermediary between the oath keepers and the white house. >> thank you for bringing the developing news. >> thanks for watching these last couple of hours on msnbc. find us on twitter @halliemsnbc and over at hallie jackson now. for now, "deadline: white house"

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