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good morning. i am josé diaz-balart kicking off another busy hour. 8:00 a.m. pacific, and 11:00 a.m. eastern. more weapons from the west are arriving in ukraine. a u.s. defense official says 90% of the artillery the u.s. promised are now in ukrainian hands. ahead i will talk to democratic congresswoman barbara lee, and talk about what she believes the role should go forward as the war continues. plus, we are staying on top of the fallout of the leaked draft opinion, and president biden warns the court's final decision could put other rights on the line. many of those rights many are
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thinking about is marriage equality, and you will remember same-sex marriage legalized in one case, and i will talk with jim obergefell. 1 million americans have now died from covid-19 since the start of the pandemic. we'll go back to the first epicenter of the virus. we start with the war in ukraine. matt bradley is on the ground in ukraine, and i want to bring in the pentagon correspondent, courtney kube, and former u.s. ambassador to ukraine, william taylor. you have said the u.s. is providing sensitive information to the ukraines to help them
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fight, and that intelligence has led to the deaths of several russian generals, and what are we hearing from the national u.n. security council this morning? >> the national security council is honing in on the word intent here precipitation administration acknowledges they provide battlefield intelligence and have for sometime to the ukrainians, and that's about talking about movement of the troops and equipment around the battlefield. the reason the administration is honing in on the word intent is because they said, yes, we have provided information to the ukrainians, but they have denied it was with the intent of killing the russian generals. that's the fine line they are skating. that being said, the u.s. has been providing this kind of intelligence and it has made a difference on the battlefield and we have been reporting on
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that several weeks now, and they not only have been able to hold off russian advances but to also push it back. the story of the war in ukraine, for the past several weeks, officials and media have been talking a lot about how important the equipment is that the u.s. and allies have been providing and how that made a difference. the reality is the intelligence has made in some cases a even bigger difference the equipment we have seen, like the javelins, and that has been the piece of the equipment that has the weapon of this current offensive, but in the end intelligence is making as big if not a bigger difference to the military on the ground there, josé. >> i know they have not gotten down to the details on this, and it seems -- some reporting says up to 12 russian generals have been killed in this two-month
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plus campaign, so the extraordinary fight in the ukraines. >> the russians have more of their senior general officers in forward positions. we know last week or just recently, the equivalent of what we would think of as the u.s. general of the chiefs, he was there in izyum. that's not what we would see from other militaries, and that's not just the only example. they have had officers forward in this case, and part of it is the way the russian military is
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structured here. they don't delegate decisions down to a lower level so they have more of the senior people there making battlefield, tactical decisions on a day-to-day basis, in a way that the u.s. military, for instance, would delegate down to a captain or lieutenant, and they are put in much more precarious positions on a daily basis, and it stands to reason these general officers would have been in positions of danger. the u.s. has not been able to confirm, at least not publicly or to the media how many russian generals may have been killed throughout the course of this invasion, but there's an acknowledgment some have been killed throughout the campaign. >> it seems unusual, but courtney is being, as always, so
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clear, and what is your reaction to that, ambassador? >> courtney is absolutely right. the ukrainians know why they are fighting, and they can take decisions at a lower level and they have been trained as in the u.s. army model, and they take positions at the company command and battalion level, and they know why they are there, and they know they are defending their land. and the russians, on the other hand, they don't know why they are there, and all they can do is follow the last order. that locks them in. they can't make other decisions on the ground. exactly, as courtney says, they don't train their lower-level commanders to take initiatives, so i think courtney is exactly right. >> matt, more than 300 ukrainians were evacuated from mariupol on wednesday, and you
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spoke with some of them. what did they tell you? >> reporter: you have to remember, josé, if you were a ukrainian civilian in the steel plant, it's probably because you knew somebody in the military, and the soldiers brought a lot of their family members. if you were one of the civilians lucky enough to get in there and then lucky enough to get out to where i am, in zaporizhzhia, you would have the tasks of watching the steel from afar. all of the people that we met, they were women and children and they all have fathers, sons and husbands who are still stuck there facing what sounds like -- we don't have a lot of information because there's not much coming out of there, a really bruising battle, maybe one of the harshest we have seen compared to what was going on before, because now it looks as
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though the russians may have penetrated with their personnel into the underground part of the steel works where these people are holed up. i spoke with one mother, and here's what she had to say. >> what did your father tell you when he left, what did he say to you? >> translator: we will be back together soon. i hope our warriors win. it took everything. >> reporter: that was the mother and the son of one of the soldiers. these are people wondering if they will ever see their husbands, their sons, their fathers again, and now it looks as though we will not know for a little while. they opened up corridors every day this week to get more civilians out, but with the fighting continuing, it's hard to see how they are going to do that. we are now going to start seeing here in zaporizhzhia people
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coming from elsewhere, and the fighting in mariupol continues, and the attacks, the bombardments are ongoing. >> you will travel with the first lady where she will be meeting with displaced ukrainians. tell us about that trip. >> yeah this four-day visit to eastern europe will give the first lady a look at how ukraine's neighbors is dealing with the humanitarian crisis, and it will spotlight dr. biden's role as a educator, and we will see that part on the first stop of this trip on friday when she lands at an air base near the black sea. she will have an ton the to meet with some of the u.s. station
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members stationed there as part of the deployment with nato, and she will then meet with romanian government officials that are dealing with the humanitarian fallout of this crisis, and meeting with some of the ukrainian students who have been displaced throughout europe. sunday is shaping up to be the most significant day of the trip, and she will travel to a city about 50 miles from the border of ukraine, and that's been a processing point for some of the refugees, and then traveling further east where that is happening in real time. josé, you and i spoke when i was on the south lawn of the white house, and dr. biden's only other solo trip was to tokyo to attend some of the competitions, and it's an opportunity for her now to see firsthand with some of those -- the issue really
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dominating her husband's portfolio at the moment. sunday, of course, being mother's day, and she will be able to share some of these personal stories that have been so important in helping shape her husband's policy. >> yeah, ambassador of the u.n. security council meets today. now while especially the u.s. and the leadership role for this month, do you expect anything to come out of there. they have not exactly been the leaders on dealing with the ukrainian war. >> you are right, josé, the u.n. has not been the leaders and it's frozen, it's stymied in the security council and the russians are able to veto anything that is attempted in the security council. what it does, as you say, the u.s. is now in the chair for this month. what it does is allow people to make statements and allow people to bring attention to ukraine, and bring attention to the aggression, the crimes that the
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russians are committing. this is an international forum, so it's useful in that regard. in terms of getting anything done, however, it's not obvious that it's able to do it. >> ambassador, i am wondering, we are in two months, and clint watts has been telling us this is the start of the heavy artillery war. ambassador, how can this -- is there a diplomatic way out of this? >> not immediately, josé. there's not. the ukrainians have indicated they are not willing to negotiate another kind of minsk agreement to accept or give up playing to donetsk or crimea. the russians are not serious about any negotiations, and there have been many attempt to
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get president putin to agree to negotiate a cease-fire or pull back and those have all failed. we will see what happens on monday. you have given a lot of thought to what happens on victory day, and president putin is not likely to announce negotiations on monday. >> ambassador taylor, matt bradley, courtney kube, thank you very much for being here this morning. it just got a whole lot more expensive to buy a house, buy a car, after the federal reserve raised interest rates by the highest level in more than 20 years. but will that help lower prices at the grocery store and gas station? we will look into what it means for fighting inflation. plus, if the supreme court does, indeed, overturn roe v. wade, can it strike down gay rights, too? some say it will.
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we're seeing the biggest move yet by the federal reserve to try and cut down on the high prices we are seeing on everything from gas to food. nbc's business and tech correspondent, jo ling kent is joining us this morning. >> it's the most aggressive step we have seen in 22 years by the fed to fight inflation and bring down the prices you are paying, for example, gas, and it's 11 cents higher than one week ago. the fed raising the benchmark interest rate one of several actions the government is trying to take to get relief to families and small businesses struggling to make ends meet. this morning the price of borrowing money is going up
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again to help bring everyday prices down. >> we need to do everything we can to restore stable prices. >> on wednesday the federal reserve raised the interest rate by half a percentage point, the biggest hike in 22 years. it makes borrowing money more expensive to loan mortgages and interest rates. president biden addressing the problem, too, vowing to cut the federal deficit by another $1.5 trillion this year. >> we reduced federal borrowing and we helped combat inflation. >> meanwhile, nearly one-third are dealing with inflation by borrowing money. with rates going up it's harder to get affordable loans to buy
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equipment. in chicago a restaurant owner welcomes anything that lowers inflation, but now she worries higher rates may cause her customers to cut back even more on dining out. >> it does present cause and concern for me that our business could potentially start to dip based on the fact that people are going to have to change their buying habits. the underlying worry continues to be how to stave off of recession, and yesterday fed chair powell says there's nothing close to that, because of the job situation and unemployment is so low, and the job situation is so strong, and he ruled out raising interest rates more than half a point for now, and that made the markets
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happy yesterday. no doubt we will be watching the jobs report very closely. we are following breaking news, tornadoes and severe storms wreaked havoc over the middle part of the country, and this is a tornado sweeping across the par kueng lot of city hall. now take a look at this. kansas drivers in heavy rain and strong winds swerved to avoid sparks. more than 4,500 residents in the area are without power. so far officials say nobody has died from the storms. that draft supreme court decision on abortion mentions one name twice, and it's a name that might sound familiar, jim obergefell. now legal experts and activist and even the president worry that that right to be struck
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moving fast to enact abortion restrictions or protections in the wake of the leaked supreme court decision. louisiana lawmakers advanced a bill that would classify abortion as homicide, and meanwhile abortion rights are front and center in texas which already has one of the most restrictive laws in the nation. and next hour beto o'rourke will hold a press conference to talk about those rights. what do we expect him to say? >> he wants to galvanize texas voters on this issue, and poll after poll about a ban is unpopular for texas voters, and
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o'rourke needs the suburban voters, the women and moderates and independence that were part of the big wave elections in 2018 that almost pushed him into the senate, he needs those folks fired up. abortion rights are on the ballot in texas much sooner than november. there's the runoff in san antonio where henry cuellar is the only democrat to vote against the bill that passed the house last year is on the defensive on this issue and i had a chance to speak to his last night defending his position for his district and his entire party. listen. >> they in their own minds have an idea what, quote, a democrat should be. they want us to vote with the democratic party 100% of the time. i don't do that. >> something like henry is anti-choice and anti-union
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doesn't focus on policies that serve working class and working families in the country. >> the bottom line, josé, in that democratic runoff later this month, is a test of two theories, how much that abortion issue will fire up the district since he has held in 2005. >> a district that is not seen as pro plus republican or pro democratic very much? >> it has leaned democrat in the past. after this recent round of redistricting the district got a little bluer which raises the chances of a cuellar upset here, and he's known in congress from antonio to laredo where he's a major, major political figure. >> and patty murray told pbs, it
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could -- >> they want to get everybody on the record. you are likely to see a no vote from joe manchin and bob casey, and this is the issue where everybody needs to be on the record. when you talk about abortion rights and look at the polling, out right bans like the one in texas are not popular with voters, and democrats believe they want to show a united front on this to the best of their ability and they want to put it front of mine for voters starting to think seriously about the mid-term elections every day. >> thank you for being with us. just last hour, i spoke with bob menendez on this topic and he explained what it could mean to overturn roe v. wade after prez dent. >> if you can change 50 years of
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precedent, you can change 50 years on any right that you think has been assured. >> president biden and others raise the similar concerns reversing roe could affect same-sex marriage. the name sake of that decision, jim obergefell is now with us. he's the ohio state candidate for the house of representatives. you -- what do you think the ruling could have an impact on with marriage equality? >> thank you for having me on, josé. i am terrified, even in the draft decision justice alito says it applies only to roe v.
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wade and a woman's right to abortion and not the right to marry. the right to marry was listed as a fundamental right in 1965, and that case is one of the underpinnings of obergefell. not to mention the right to privacy. that shows up nowhere specifically word for word in the constitution, and that right underlies the decision in warren versus texas that took away the
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law banning sexual intemuncie. if we have a supreme court that bases their decisions on such narrow ideas that we have to go back to what it meant when the constitution was written, and that takes us back hundreds of years and that's wrong for this country. >> you know, lawmakers are promising to vote on legislation codifying roe into law, but it's clear that they don't have the votes for it to pass. similarly, there's no such tphas protections for same-sex marriage, for example. is this something congress should be taking up or looking into soon? >> absolutely. you know, i live in ohio, and ohio never removed their state level defensive marriage act following the obergefell v
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hodges decision, and the state of ohio could immediately say you can no longer get married in ohio and we will no longer recognize lawful marriages from other states if that is overturned, so this is something we need to look to codify. the equality act could be one of the most important things we could do to ensure our play in we the people, and we are supposed to receive life, liberty and equal justice under law, and this decision, this decision on roe v. wade is taking that away from women and it's also very dangerous for the lgbtq plus community, and any marginalized community. >> what efforts should be under way -- we are only two or three days into this, but should the
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legislature take, and what are you asking for? >> i am asking for every state legislature to take action now to remove any existing ban on same-sex marriage in their state constitution. i am asking congress to take the steps that they can to codify our right to marry. my marriage to john, any marriage of same-sex, to say this is an issue of states' rights and our existence, our relationships should disappear, be erased, simply by crossing a state border, that, to me, is un-american and democratic and simply wrong. our legislators need to do everything they can to remove existing laws on the books and enact new laws that protect our
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right to marry, to care for the person we love. >> jim obergefell, thank you so much for being with us. i really appreciate your time. >> thanks, josé. 1 million families united in grief more than two years into the coronavirus pandemic. we have reached a heartbreaking milestone of a million american lives lost to the virus. we will have a look at just a few of their stories, next. , net
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promoted before he died. since her husband's death, mia struggled with anxiety and overwhelming sadness. her story is just one. there are one of now more than 1 million families grieving because of a loved one lost to covid. the number of covid deaths crossed 1 million last night, and that's a little more than the entire population of austin. and it has affected communities of color, including latinos. the mortality rate among latinos rose 48%. most of those deaths were related to covid. steve patterson is in kirkland, washington. steve, you know, it's difficult to wrap your mind around 1 million people that have lost
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their lives to this disease. >> reporter: incredible to think about 1 million individual tragedies. the pandemic was just as bad here as it was anywhere else in the country, right? small towns in the midwest to the horrors we saw in new york or l.a., as you described. the difference here, it was first. as you mentioned, this was the first epicenter so people here were getting sick and dying before they even knew what covid was. health care workers, hospital workers, nurses, doctors, firefighters, people that were trying to treat their patients were handling them without the proper protective equipment, so masks and gloves, so they were getting sick in droves and taken away in quarantine from the patients that they trying to treat, and here where the epicenter was, the fire department here in kirkland had to quarantine, and one of the
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most important things about the virus is the separation of families, the inability to see your loved one after they have been taken away and quarantined in an ambulance. that happened, of course, across the country, and hospitals got more sophisticated about connecting patients to their family members. people did not have that here because, again, we didn't know what the virus was. when a family member got taken away, a mother, a loved one, a grandmother, grandfather, that could have been the last time the family saw that loved one. you remember the haunting images of people standing outside of windows here trying to talk to their loved ones, and carmen was on the phone in one of the most famous images, and we spoke to her about what that period of fear was like in this community about what was happening. listen to this. >> nobody knew. fear kept escalating. every time somebody died, it was -- even though we didn't know them it felt very personal
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to have seen the ambulances leaving and then finding out that they had passed. >> reporter: carmen's mother did survive. she was 79 years old in here with a routine just -- just recovering with a knee injury and wound up with covid and she may never be the same after covid and may never leave assisted living, and this community is putting on preventive steps as anywhere in the country, but this time of year it's extra hard on people here. >> indeed it is. thank you very much. appreciate it. more drones, more missiles, more rocket launching systems. that's what president zelenskyy asked lawmakers for during their visit to kyiv. and barbara lee was part of that delegation to europe, and we'll talk to her, next.
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missiles for its ports and more capable drones and rocket systems can hit from further away. joining me now is congresswoman lee from california. always a pleasure to see you. president biden asked congress a week ago for an additional $33 billion in aid. where do your colleagues stand on that? >> sure, and thank you very much, josé, for inviting me to be with you for a few minutes. we support the ukrainian people in many, many ways. we support their economic -- the economic assistance, the humanitarian assistance and security assistance. right now as we speak we're writing the bill, the $33 billion bill, making decisions on the variety of provisions which we are putting forth. for example, we have security assistance. we have humanitarian assistance and the economic assistance. they need a heck of a lot in
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terms of help with their reconstruction efforts. so it's an emergency. after being in the region, i really come back with a new sense of urgency because people are suffering. these crimes against humanity, these war crimes are wreaking havoc on the people, and women and children are being raped by soldiers, and human trafficking is increasing and it's dramatic and a violent moment and something where the american people stepped up and said they want to support the ukrainian people with their efforts to -- first, protect and defend themselves but also to help with their humanitarian and economic needs. >> congresswoman, i just wanted to let you reaffirm. there are reports that we have been seeing is russians raping
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ukrainians, right? >> did i say -- oh, yeah, russian soldiers. >> i just wanted to be clear. >> yeah, we were in poland and talked with ngos,ngos. they explained how devastating this was as it relates to what the russian soldiers are doing with women and children in ukraine. >> congresswoman, when you were there in poland, the number of people who have been forced to leave their country almost at a moment's notice, you know, it's like more than 10% of the country's entire population has been either left or have to resettle in other parts of that country. the level of human suffering there is really difficult to fathom, congresswoman. >> yes, it is. when you look at what is taking place, you have not only refugees who are escaping this putin war, this violent casual
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-- carnage taking place, people living underground, don't have food, medicine. it's a horrific situation. that's why it's so important that the world step up and so important that the united states continue with our support of the ukrainian people. we have do this sooner rather than later. >> this conflict is more than two months old now. some u.s. officials have said this could go on for months or longer. how does the united states deal with that possibility, a long-term possibility of this war going on? >> well, you know, first of all, we are amazed at the strength and resilience of the ukrainian people. they are protecting their
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country, but also they are protecting the democracy that putin is trying to dismantle. we have to understand that by supporting the ukrainian people in this effort, in beating back russia, that this is about also making sure that we don't allow putin to move forward to establish autocracies and dismantle democracies. i think this is a very defining moment in the world. we have to make sure that we understand this in the larger context, that this war is not only about ukraine, this war is about the rest of the world and putin trying to establish autocratic governments throughout the world. we know this is taking place through disinformation campaigns, through all kinds of misinformation that's taking place. however how long this goes -- we
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hope this ends quickly. i believe president zelenskyy indicated he wants it in a month. this is really a testament to the ukrainian people trying to make sure that they win this war. i believe they will. we have to support them in all of their efforts. i do know that we have to recognize that this is a move toward dismantling democratic governments throughout the world. >> congresswoman barbara lee, thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> thank you. this morning, another member of the far right militia group the oath keepers has pleaded guilty. william todd wilson admitted to obstruction of an official proceeding. there's a possible connection between the leader the oath keepers and someone close to donald trump. joining us is ryan riley.
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what is this case then? what did wilson tell the court? >> this is an interesting case. it's the third oath keeper to plead guilty, which would be news on its own and a significant setback for the head of the oath keepers, who is one of the individuals facing trial coming up. the real news buried in this court document was that there was this attempted phone call between stewart rhodes and donald trump on january 6, after the capitol had been invaded and while police were pushing people out of the capitol. around 5:00 p.m. that evening, according to the court documents, this individual who pleaded guilty was actually in a meeting at the phoenix park hotel when stewart made a phone
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call to a trump employee. this individual also was asked to connect rhodes directly with trump. that individual who is not identified, did not connect rhodes with trump. i think the significance of that is that what federal prosecutors are saying and is laid out in the document agreed to in this plea agreement is there was someone in trump's orbit who was a connection to the oath keepers. there's a lot of overlap between them and people in trump's orbit. it's a big question who this person was. >> thank you so much for that information. really appreciate it. that wraps up the hour for me. reach me on twitter and instagram. follow the show online. thank you so much for the privilege of your time. more news next. more news next pe with viking,
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to protect abortion with democrats lacking the vote to take action in congress. on thursday, nancy pelosi slamming the potential decision and firing up the democratic base ahead of the midterms. >> it did violence not only to women but to the constitution of the united states. we have to win the election in november so that we have a couple more senators who will be willing to set aside the 60-vote requirement. >> in the battle for ukraine, 90% of american-supplied howitzers are in ukrainian hands. russian progress remains slow and uneven with president zelenskyy asking for anti-ship missiles. the u.s. is marking a grim toll. 1 million covid deaths. hospitalizations in new york triple in a month with concerns of yet another wave. the governor of new york will join us shortly. abortion rights in the state of
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