and with that, i wish you a very good night from all of our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with us. and if i can stay i'll wake until 11:00 tomorrow, which i'm not sure about, i will see you at the end. at the end the rachel maddow show now airs here every monday at 9 pm eastern. rachel's excellent team of journalists, however, is producing this hour all week every week. and as always, we are glad to have you with us. it's always a powerful image when a group of people gather together to champion something they believe in. to stand up for their rights. but when people do it on the steps of the most powerful court in the land, life gives you goose bumps. i'm thinking of when there were celebrations in front of the supreme court in 2015, after the court affirmed the right of

same-sex couples to get married. it happened in 2012, when people gathered in that same spot to champion the court's decision not to take health care away from millions of people in this country. and it doesn't take a big crowd to package an emotional punch. this was 1954. a mom and a little girl sitting on the steps of the supreme court, who said it was unconstitutional to desegregate schools. this week again, there were demonstrations in front of the high court, although this time not to celebrate the protection of a right, but to protest that one important right is about to be taken away. in light of the draft opinion that leaked from the court this week, signaling that the court is poised to take away the enshrined right to obtain an abortion, protest outside the court have taken place every day. moms brought their daughters, even babies. these are affecting images. they may be the last images we get over this particular issue,

from outside the court. now, this fence was just put up outside the supreme court. i should note, for the record, that in the fight over abortion rights in this country,, the side in favor of maintaining that right, the side that was on the steps this week, that's not the side that has historically been violent. all gatherings have been very peaceful. that is, until -- 2020, this is now what we get in 2021. for months, it's been the expectation that this conservative court would knock down roe v. wade. but seeing it in black and white this week did catch people off-guard, including apparently the white house. washington post reports today that the biden administration has been scrambling this week to figure out if and how there is a way to compensate for with what the court appears to be prepared and ready to do. to protect the abortion rights on the federal level. quote, biden officials spent much of tuesday panicked as

they realized how few tools they had at their disposal. officials are fervently debating a number of executive and regulatory actions in the administration could take to make it easier for women in red states particularly for women who are poor to access abortion care. but in meetings and phone calls among white house officials, government lawyers outside advisers and federal agency officials, a sobering reality set in. there is little the white house can do to fundamentally alter a post roe v. wade landscape, and quote. without a large majority in the senate, that's true for democrats in congress as well. the senate is expected to vote on the women's health protection act next week, which would codify into federal law the right to obtain an abortion. when schumer says the schedule some -- but it is almost certainly dead on arrival in the senate. that's because democrats need 60 votes, that filibuster thing

again. and they are significantly short of that. there is no way to spin this. restoring abortion rights is essentially an impossibility. and that has the years going of some creative legal thinkers in the states. look at michigan, which appears to be turning into a kind of a test lab, for states to get around the decision. michigan, like most states has a lot of kooky laws that are still on the books, vestiges from a different time. for example, did you know, that in the city of grand haven michigan, it is illegal to throw an abandoned hoop skirt into any street or sidewalk. it is also, apparently, illegal to let your paid run free down the streets in detroit if it does not have its nose pierced. but who even has a paid without its nose pierced anymore? it's also, according to michigan law, illegal to obtain

an abortion under any circumstances, still, right now, today. that law was passed in 1931 and it remains on the books. when you break the law, you do not get magically teleport to prison. you have to be charged with a crime and prosecuted. this is why, if you decide to check your hoopskirt out on the sidewalk in front of your eyes on michigan tomorrow, no one's going to arrest you. no prosecutor in their right mind would try that case in 2022. it is the same reason that michigan has more than two dozen clinics that provide abortions, all over the state. even though it is technically against a law in michigan. roe v. wade made that michigan law unenforceable. but when roe gets knocked down as signaled by the draft opinion from the supreme court, that opens the door for prosecutors to enforce that michigan law. the second the supreme court issues that opinion. but of course, just like with the pigs who don't have nose piercing, or the hoopskirts littering michigan sidewalks,

doing that, prosecuting that is up to the prosecutors. the prosecutor in michigan's largest county, wayne county, which is home to detroit, says if and when roe is struck down, she will not prosecute any one for providing or obtaining abortion care within her jurisdiction. which means wayne county, detroit, will become a kind of a safe haven within michigan for abortion care. same for washington county, with the prosecutor ever -- abortion. in fact, a total of seven michigan county prosecutors signaled last month that they would do the same thing. even michigan's attorney general says no matter how the supreme court decides, quote, i am not going to enforce the law. nor will i defend the law, which i believe is unconstitutional, end quote. when the court returns its official position, republican lawmakers and michigan can

decide to leave that abortion ban on the books, or past some kind of new legislation, severely curtailing access. heck, they can ban people from saying the word allowed. like voldemort if they want. but without those prosecutors on board, willing to enforce it, the laws are essentially wastes of paper. so that's one legal pressure parachute that is being discussed in michigan. here is another. earlier this year, planned parenthood and the aclu starts with a campaign to add the right to obtain an abortion to the michigan state constitution. they want to make that ballot initiative so that michigan voters can decide if they want to protect abortion rights in their state. they would need about 425,000 signatures to get it on the ballot. the group gathering signatures said, in just 24 hours, after the draft opinion leaked, the number of volunteers signed up signed up to help gather those signatures increased by more than 900 people.

like i said, it's creative thinking. but could any of this actually work? joining us now is nikole wells stallworth. she's the executive director of planned parenthood advocates of michigan. one of the groups collecting signatures for the ballot initiative that would amend michigan's constitution to guarantee abortion rights. ms. wells stallworth, thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me, ali. >> let's talk a bit this -- you have until mid july to collect 24,000 signatures 424,000 signatures. and you have many more people involved. how difficult will it be to get 425,000 signatures? >> well, we are up to 17,000 new sign ups as of wednesday when the news broke. so, that is a signal to us that people are outraged. people believe overwhelmingly here in the state of michigan that abortion should be kept

legal. and they do not want roe v. wade to be overturned. so, we are working diligently. there has been a groundswell of people stepping up to join our campaign. my reproductive freedom for all. and we are working around the clock to collect the signatures that will be needed to qualify for the ballot in july. >> all, right let's talk about that, let's say you get enough signatures. this is still a measure that has to pass. what kind of insight you have on whether it will? because the evidence cross country is not a whole lot of people do not want to see abortion criminalized, even if they have different views on abortion. >> sure, you have to really go back to what you just said, a lot of people around the country don't believe that abortion should become criminalized. and here in, michigan we have this 1931 law on the books that, if roe v. wade is reversed, it

could make abortion a felony crime. and that would be one of the most severe and most strict laws in the state in the country. so, people in michigan don't believe that that should occur. people in michigan feel overwhelmingly that abortion should be legal to the degree of about 67%. so, the decision to leak the draft opinion was a wake up call for many people. and, it provided a view for people to understand exactly where we are right now. helping them to understand that this is not a dress rehearsal. that the supreme court's position then prepared to overturn roe v. wade. also, this campaign was a way that we believed we could save abortion in our state of michigan.

>> so, before this week, it should not have been an abstract into anyone. but it still might have been. the leak of the draft opinion, it is no longer an abstraction. and by the time this becomes a ballot initiative, if you get the 425,000 signatures, it may be a reality. that roe v. wade is overturned. because this is a november ballot to native. what happens if it does not pass? >> you know, that is a question mark. right now, you sort of talked a lot about the things that we are doing in our state to protect access to abortion for 2.2 pregnant capable people who this law would ultimately impact. so, for women, and people who can get pregnant, that would have devastating effects on them. what happens if this does not get past? right now, we are exploring, this ballot measure, that we

have been talking about, with planned parenthood of mission michigan also talking about asking the court to step in and strike down the law. worst-case scenario, if none of those strategies, work we would be left without access to abortion with this 1931 law which has been on our books. which, in essence, criminalizes providers for providing a vital and needed health care service that people have enjoyed for over 50 years. >> we appreciate you coming to tell us about this, and the work that's going on. nicole well stallworth is the executive director of planned parenthood advocates of michigan. we are grateful for your time. tonight thank you. >> thank you. as mentioned earlier, the michigan attorney general was one of the numerous county prosecutors that have said that they will not enforce that 1931 abortion ban should the supreme court follow-through in overturning roe v. wade.

in fact, in a joint statement last month, seven of michigan's county prosecutors wrote, quote, we are reassuring our communities that we support a woman's right to choose, and every person's right to freedom, and quote. we believe the laws took those arm -- and michigan constitutions. we cannot and will not support criminalizing reproductive freedom. instead, we will continue to dedicate our-limited resources to the prosecution of serious crimes and the pursuit of justice for all. prosecutor in michigan's largest county, as we said, wayne county, where detroit is located, signed on to that statement last month. wayne county prosecutor kim worthy reiterated her stance, saying she will not enforce the states 1931 abortion ban if roe versus wade's overturned. prosecutor worthy joins us right now. thank you for taking the time

to be with us tonight. let me ask you about this. you and your fellow prosecutors in michigan issued the statement last month. well before anybody thought there was a draft opinion that was going to be leaked. why did you feel it necessary to do it then, as opposed to wait for a supreme court decision on roe v. wade? >> it's for many reasons. but the main reason is because our governor so invested in this issue. and we wanted to make sure that she understood that the six of us would certainly support her position in every way in this matter. >> you have publicly declared your support for roe v. wade, you pled that he won't prosecute doctors or people who work in clinics for performing abortions if the law comes back into play. place. if roe v. wade is struck down and the antiabortion law in michigan takes precedence. are you concerned that michiganders, even those within wayne county, could be investigated or arrested if that law, that 1931 law comes back to life in michigan?

>> i hope not. because i have the criminal justice jurisdiction in wayne county. and i can't speak to how other county prosecutors other than the six of us would do. but again, it's a very restrictive law, as nikole said. and you can face up to either a patient, a nurse, a doctor -- they can face up to four years in prison under the current law that's almost a century old. also, it does not give any provision or exemption for victims of rape and incest. as someone who has appeared in the eyes, for years, of hundreds and hundreds of victims of rape and incest. i can't believe people want to enter into their trauma, and try to dictate their lives as well. so in wayne county that will not be the case. i will do everything that i can to support the victims that will possibly be here, but again, i've supported attorney general, the governor, i really want to make sure -- my resources, to make sure this law is repealed. >> let me ask you, because i

got you here, and i think it would help our viewers understand, how would you hundred handle the possibility that people from counties where people are prepared to enforce this 90 year old law, will come to wayne county seeking the procedure without repercussion, and yet somehow -- is there some way in which they or their providers would face legal action in their home county, or where they live somewhere else, how does that work? >> no, if the procedure is done here in wayne county, and we are one of the, i believe, 13 counties that have these abortion clinics, then we would have total jurisdiction with that, because it would take place here in wayne county. i can't imagine any scenario where when they go back to the respective counties, if that is not the feeling of the prosecutor there where they would not be in any trouble at all. >> the attorney general in your state, david estelle is up for reelection this year. what happens if her opponent, who is campaigning on this very strongly antiabortion, decides that he will prosecute those

who have abortions. how does the states position -- how does that work in wayne county? someone gets an abortion in wayne county. that's your jurisdiction. but the attorney general may ultimately not be on your side. >> well, at least one of the candidates -- the candidates that the republicans chose said that he would enforce that. but again, i can't imagine anyone coming into this county and doing such a thing that is possible, because they think they have your station across the entire state. -- [inaudible] again, our poll numbers are basically the same across the country, 70% of michiganders don't believe that it should be overturned. again, it's up to us to get out there and not face that possibility, if it happened. and make sure that -- is reelected because we know from what she said she would not support -- >> just the point here, it's

the point that you are a prosecutor. you have jurisdiction where you have jurisdiction and ultimately it is limited. the long term solution for this problem is ultimately going to be political. >> politics is everything, and that certainly the case in this case. it is been so politicized, and it's really the only answer at this particular point in time, we simply cannot have a situation where people control parts of women's bodies. they have control over women's reproductive rights. it is political. if this does not get people out to vote for candidates that support the way that most michiganders feel, i don't know where they are. i don't want to imagine the scenario. i am optimistic that people want to see women have a right to their control over their own bodies and their reproductive rights. >> wayne county prosecutor kim worthy, we appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> we have a lot more to catch up on tonight. perhaps one of the most surprising things about the war in ukraine is how many russian

generals have been killed in action. now, it turns out, that the u.s. is reportedly helping ukraine targeted those generals. the reporter who broke that story joins us next. joins us next. with fewer pills than tylenol. instead of taking pills every 4-6 hours, aleve works up to 12-hours so you can focus on what matters. aleve. less pills. more relief your record label is taking off. but so is your sound engineer. you need to hire. i need indeed. indeed you do. indeed instant match instantly delivers quality candidates matching your job description. visit indeed.com/hire ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ introducing the all-new infiniti qx60.

take on your wild world in style. ♪

for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems. do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache.

if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. russia was less than three i fought for freedom abroad. i'm not going to allow anyone to take away women's rights here at home. abortion is effectively banned in texas, and at least seven other states only have a single abortion provider. we need leaders in congress who will stand up to extremist politicians, and protect our right to choose everywhere. and i will fight for pay equity, too. i'm emily beach, and i approve this message because nothing is more important than standing up for- - [all] our rights. right now.

weeks into its invasion of ukraine when this story broke. quote, the russian military has lost at least three generals in the fight, according to ukraine, nato and russia officials. nato american military officials say that -- unsecured phones and radios. and at least one instance, they said, the ukrainians intercepted a generals call,

geo located it and attacked his location, killing him and his staff, end quote. the detail about ukrainian tracking russian military leaders through unsecured phones and radios was first reported in the very last paragraph of a new york times story by reporters helene cooper, julian bernstein, barnes and eric schmidt. we've seen since then astounding number of reports about russian military leaders being killed in action in ukraine. now, nbc news cannot verify each and every one of these reports, but at least a few of them have been verified by news outlets like the new york times, and even by russian media itself. today we got this provocative headline from the times. quote, u.s. intelligence is helping ukraine kill russian generals, officials say. now, the story is written by the same three reporters who broke that story about the russian generals being targeted through their phones just three weeks into the war. according to the new report, the united states has been

providing ukraine with intelligence on russia's military units which, quote, has allowed ukrainians to target and kill many of the russian generals who died in action in the ukraine war. this new reporting from the times would help explain why so many russian commanders and generals have found themselves on the wrong end of the ukrainian missiles. it would also be consistent with nbc news's own reporting from last month, which said that the u.s. is providing near realtime intelligence on russia's military movements, but after the new york times published today's story saying that u.s. intelligence was helping ukraine kill russian generals, senior u.s. military and intelligence officials started pushing back in very strong terms. a spokesperson from the national security council called the story headline misleading and called the story itself irresponsible. they said, quote, the united states provides battlefield intelligence to help the ukrainians defend their country.

we do not provide intelligence with the intent to kill russian generals, end quote. but a little bit later, the pentagon spokesman john kirby also said that. >> we do not provide intelligence on the location of senior military leaders on the battlefield, or participate in the targeting decisions of the ukrainian military. >> we do not provide intelligence on the location of senior military leaders on the battlefield or participate in the targeting decisions of the ukrainian military, and quote, full stop. now, here's the interesting part -- neither the nsc statement or what kirby said actually contradicts the new york times reporting. the times did not say that -- was provided with the intent to kill russian military leaders or that they participated in the decisions to target those leaders decisions. but the pushback here says something about how the u.s.

wants the world or maybe russia to understand its involvement in the war. nbc news has reported yet another story about how u.s. intelligence is playing a key role in ukrainian attacks. according to u.s. officials, u.s. intelligence sharing help helped ukraine to carry out the missile strike that sunk the moskva, the flagship of the russian fleet. -- about a ship sailing in the black sea south of odessa, u.s. officials told nbc news. the u.s. identified as the moskva, officials said, and helped confirm its location, after which the ukrainians targeted the ship. tonight, the new york times is also independently confirmed that report. so, what does this reporting mean for the ongoing conflict in ukraine, and how should we interpret this response that it is generated within our own government? joining us now is the new york times national security reporter julian barnes, who's the lead byline on that story about u.s. intelligence been

used to target u.s. generals. russian generals. joel, and thank you for joining us tonight. i've ask you, you've been doing this for a long, time you report on these things, sometimes the government doesn't like what the press reports on stuff. this has had an unusually strong feeling of pushback, why? >> look, i think u.s. officials are very worried about the escalation situation. they're very worried about putin going up what they call the escalation ladder. and you're right, there was some very sort of strong language out of the nsc and the pentagon, but they weren't really disputing what was in our story. we weren't saying there was an intent to kill, we didn't even use that language. what we are saying is that the u.s. provided intelligence about the locations of mobile headquarters. ukrainians combine that with their own intelligence, intelligence like those intercepted calls you mentioned. and then shows when and where

to strike. we explain that in the story, that is what's happening. and look but this administration has properly proceeded carefully and try not to escalate the ukraine war, and that's the right thing to do. but, you know, it's also important to be transparent about what the united states is doing. they've said they've been providing unprecedented amounts of intelligence. and it is the responsibility of a free and independent press to explain that. >> so, let's talk about, how much of this is semantics? the pushback was very specific about what they did or didn't say. but the crux of your reporting in our reporting at nbc news is the same. the government has not pushed back on the fundamental idea that u.s. intelligence is being used in some way that is assisting the ukrainians. so, talk to me about the semantics. because vladimir putin has said

from the beginning of this thing that the u.s. is escalating, and that the u.s. is essentially involved weather seems to be some kind of line that the u.s. is unwilling to cross, for fear of provoking. >> look, the word that they clearly -- today, that they clearly made plain, was that they were targeting. they were claiming that they were not targeting. and we didn't specifically say that. but why do you provide this intelligence to ukraine? this is so that they can target and kill russian forces, including russian generals. this is a war. and this is a little disingenuous and to say that that is not with the intelligence is. four is. four >> the russian military, and back to the core of the story, puts a lot more of its high ranking officers on the battlefield compared to other

nations. talk to me about this, either ukrainians using that to their advantage? as the russians learned some lesson that we need to stop putting those generals on the line of fire? >> the ukrainians clearly are using that to their advantage. the russians i think would love to change it, but they can't. because this is how their military are structured. look, in the u.s. military and nato militaries, there's a lot of responsibility pushed down as close to the front lines as possible. even a u.s. army, a private has a lot of responsibility to make a decision whether to shoot or not. a lieutenant colonel commanding a battalion has a lot of responsibility to alter the battle plans in their area to be as effective as possible. that's not true in the russian military, and the russian military asian your officers and enlisted person, they can make their own decision. they can alter a plan, only the general officers can. to be able to know how to alter the, plan you need to be at the front lines. so they're pushing the general officers really close to the

front lines of the battle. and ukraine's been able to take advantage of that. >> i wanna go back to your reporting. obviously, without getting into your sources for the story, this information came from somewhere. somebody in the u.s. government wanted this information to become public. why? >> you know, it's always hard for reporters to answer those. but there's a lot of misunderstanding about how national security reporting works. sometimes, there are platters with all the information handed out. but that's not usually how it happens. usually, you get a little bit of information here, a little bit of information there. you put it together, you see and talk to other people, you see if it's right. you put together and tested again. he tested theories, is it

correct? it's not like somebody wants the whole story to come out. but, look, i think that there are people who think that this information is not as employee, will not be pushing up push putin up the ladder. and there is a benefit of putin knowing how much support the ukrainians are getting. how tough a fight he has on his hands. he certainly knows that, but, you know, who had 33 billion dollars in aid coming and a big flow of information, this is gonna be a long, tough fight. if putin wants to continue. and that's, i think, part of the message that some people want. >> i think that's relevant, because in late january and early february when you are talking about this fight in the way it was supposed to go, there are a lot of people who didn't think the ukrainian military had what it would take to fight russia. so, the idea that they've gotten more than maybe russia even thought they do, and some of that with the help of the

united states is relevant. thanks for your great reporting by you and your team. the new york times national security reporter julian barnes reporting, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all, right up next, as russia opposites attacks on civilian targets, including this bridge full of cars, we'll talk live with npr's to mccullough's been covering the war in ukraine since it started, stay with us. your projects done right . with angi, you can connect with and see ratings and reviews. and when you book and pay throug you're covered by our happiness check out angi.com today. angi... and done. if you have copd, ask your doctor about breztri. breztri gives me better breathing and helps prevent flare-ups.

before breztri, i was stuck in the past. i still had bad days, flare-ups which kept me from doing what i love. my doctor said for my copd, it was time for breztri. breztri gives you better breathing, symptom improvement, and helps prevent flare-ups. like no other copd medicine, breztri was proven to reduce flare-ups by 52%. breztri won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. it is not for asthma. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking it. don't take breztri more than prescribed. breztri may increase your risk of thrush, pneumonia, and osteoporosis. call your doctor if worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain occur. if you have copd, ask your doctor about breztri. the last pocket of resistance

in the ukrainian city of mariupol, is still holding out against russian troops that are bombarding them, with round the clock shelling. take a look at this video that shows the fighting at this cities steel plant, azovstal, where a few hundred civilians or hold up with ukrainian fighters and underground bunkers. a deputy commander inside the plant said that heavy bloody fighting has hindered any chance of getting civilians out of the path of russian shelling. evacuees from the last successful operation from mariupol arrived in zaporizhzhia overnight. president zelenskyy said that the government is still negotiating for another evacuation in the city. remember that they have to negotiate, this is the red cross that to negotiate just to get civilians out of the way of shelling. across ukraine the fighting is intensifying just days before victory day, which is an important day on the russian calendar it's, a holiday celebrating the soviet union's victory over nazi germany, it's really the most patriotic day on the calendar the glow growing speculation that putin wants to mark the holiday by a win on the battlefield. -- 600 ukrainian fighters

overnight during strikes on their positions and stronghold. this follows attacks on ukraine's infrastructure over the past few days, like this strike, watch it, on a bridge. it carries both cars and trains into the central ukrainian city of dnipro, the bridge hit as cars wart crossing. missile strikes caused electrical damage of three major substations at lviv, delaying trains to a city that has become a critical hub for aid that flows into the country from eastern europe. it also knocked down power to hundreds of thousands of people, and some targets appear to have no obvious strategic value, like when russian rockets struck an amusement park in kharkiv. leaving a woman with shrapnel rooms and starting a fire. or the shooting of a residential area in the eastern city of kramatorsk, where over two dozen people were wounded.

tim mack was in kramatorsk earlier this week, a city that has seen the 75% of its population flee the war. it was also the target of a deadly strike near its train station, you will remember this, that killed 59 people. joining us now from kyiv, is tim mack, npr investigative correspondent, he's been reporting from ukraine since the start of the war. tim, thanks for being here, thank you for being with us. let's talk about your experience, please, and kramatorsk, which is due north of mariupol, it's ingenious in the eastern part of russia that is being fought over. those who remain there, continue to face shelling. there are critical shortages of fuel, and food, there is infrastructure in communication failures. how are people still coping, those who have not left? >> well, it's a real ghost town and the folks who are still in these areas in the east where this russian offensive in kent is continuing, they're there

because they're on a military mission, a humanitarian mission or they have no choice but to stay. there are a lot of folks who just don't have the means to leave eastern ukraine which they've called their home their entire lives. i spoke to some folks who said, hey, i've been saving up to purchase this apartment for most of my life how can i possibly leave? i don't have the money to go somewhere else, and if i did arrive somewhere else in ukraine, or some point further west where when i go, where would i live? how would i find food? and this is the real struggle, the issue in eastern ukraine is to look out the window, and to take a listen. you hear the sound of bombardment almost constantly throughout the day. in the evening those sounds of bombardment are combined with flashes of light. i spoke to the mayor of kramatorsk, and even as we are talking to him in his underground bomb shelter, you could hear the sound of bombing

outside. he said the city was becoming emotionally numb to, it that it is becoming part of his daily routine, and he predicted in one or two months he won't have any emotions about this war, or fighting at all. >> as a reporter that we spoke last night for the washington post something similar, the children had been living with their parents underground in a bunker. at first they were crying and they were scared by the bombs and suddenly that he seemed numb to it all. that's when the mother said, we've got to go. because, she was actually worried there would be no reaction. it's remarkable that you point out something more important. they're even millions of refugees and millions more internally displaced in ukraine. it's a terrible experience. getting away from what seems obvious, getting away from shelling is one thing. the going somewhere where you don't know anybody or don't have anything, or don't have a means to gain income, it's a very very profoundly big discussion, especially if you're leaving somebody behind. >> well that's right, war is definitely by about violence, and i certainly a lot of that in ukraine, but it's also about crime children, it's all so about women with worried faces, men not knowing where to go. it's about the people at train stations who have been sitting in train cars for 16 or 18

hours due to train delays. you spoke about the attacks on infrastructure, and some of that infrastructure has been on bridges, as you mention. but some also unreal stations, a number of rail stations were hit over the past week by apparent russian strikes. so that delay is the movements of civilians across this country, and that delays humanitarian aid. but does this all mean for people. that means difficulty, difficulty leaving the places where there is violence, leaving ukraine to get to places that are safer, as you point out even western ukraine has been hit, which means one of the places that has been relatively safe from ukraine. some folks may believe it's no longer safe for them.

>> let's talk about this monday victory day. there's been a lot of speculation and there has been throughout this entire war, particularly by ukrainians about the fact that victory days such an important thing. in a country like russia, the ability for vladimir putin to convey and express power might be important. are you hearing about this, about people worried about what happens either on monday or be legally of today? >> will, the idea idea of victory day being an important strategic objective for vladimir putin, that's something that has been on the minds of i think a lot of military officials and government officials for a long time. and the question, is where they be able to deny the russian military some gains in eastern ukraine. as you know, the russian military has started this offensive, continue this offensive, and is escalating this offensive with strikes all across the country, western, central, southern, eastern. all across the country. and it looks like the ukrainian military has been able to play a part in whether or not russia gets to celebrate its victory day the way vladimir putin and russian generals might want to. they've been denying and slowing down the russian advance, which has really struggled to make progress in

critical areas. in kramatorsk, it's still held by ukrainian forces, meh -- and points north of there. as you can see by looking at various maps of the battlefield, ukrainian lines are holding installing russian forces if they try to push forward. there hasn't been any dramatic breakthroughs. >> tim thanks again for your excellent reporting on this, tim mack is an npr investigative correspondent, right now he's in kyiv, we appreciate you making time for us, it's not late it's very early for you there, thank you sir. two things that i learned today the first is that 40, not 3d, 4d actually exists. the second is that the u.s. government is proud owner of one of those theaters, and it happens to be on a boat. the reason why we all knell installing russian forces if they try to push forward. there hasn't been any dramatic breakthroughs. >> tim thanks again for your excellent reporting on this, tim mack is an npr investigative correspondent, right now he's in kyiv, we appreciate you making time for us, it's not late it's very

early for you there, thank you sir. two things that i learned today the first is that 40, not 3d, 4d actually exists. the second is that the u.s. government is proud owner of one of those theaters, and it happens to be on a boat. the reason why we all knell only one is up next.

for people living with h-i-v, keep being you. and ask your doctor about biktarvy. biktarvy is a complete, one-pill, once-a-day treatment used for h-i-v in certain adults. it's not a cure, but with one small pill, biktarvy fights h-i-v to help you get to and stay undetectable. that's when the amount of virus is so low it cannot be measured by a lab test. research shows people who take h-i-v treatment every day and get to and stay undetectable can no longer transmit h-i-v through sex. serious side effects can occur, including kidney problems and kidney failure. rare, life-threatening side effects include a buildup of lactic acid and liver problems.

do not take biktarvy if you take dofetilide or rifampin. tell your doctor about all the medicines and supplements you take, if you are pregnant or breastfeeding, or if you have kidney or liver problems, including hepatitis. if you have hepatitis b, do not stop taking biktarvy without talking to your doctor. common side effects were diarrhea, nausea, and headache. if you're living with hiv, keep loving who you are. and ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ voltaren. the joy of movement. and all those for the movie

theaters and the cs where the shake when the movie happens, but the u.s. government now owns one of those, and believe it or not, it is on the sting. this is a few hundred and 48 foot long 300 million dollar super yacht i'm a day. today, authorities in fiji, where it is docked, sees the ship either across the united states as part of the justice department klepto capture textbook. the justice department wanted the ship down specifically because it belongs to this man, the sanction russian oligarch salon karen mott, who made his money in russian energy and banks. now, all of the impact of sanctions are hard to see, but this is really easy to see. the thing is so in your face about how expensive it is, it is insane. the super yacht, nadia, it's a super yacht, it's got a 33-foot see-through pool. a second pool that can be turned into stage. a jacuzzi, a helicopter landing pad, because you need one of those. it's got a spa with a finished sauna, and a turkish bat. a massage room, and a gym.

the thing has a wine cellar, enough rooms for 16 gusts, multiple formal dining room tables, two pianos, one of which is entirely detailed in 24 karat gold. and then, of course, there is the aforementioned for the movie theater. multiple jet skis, scuba gear, and a jet pack. a president would've gone with the 48 movie theater, because how this russian oligarch chose to spend his fortune, and so to put pressure on russia to get this oligarch to feel some pain, because of russia's war in ukraine, the u.s. has taken away his very expensive toy. the amodei. the russian oligarchs are not just rich russians, there are russians who are rich because of their ties to vladimir putin. he makes them, rich they make and powerful. and if the story feels a bit like déjà vu, that's because since the start of the war in ukraine, western countries have been cracking down on this specific thing.

french authorities captured the former russian deputy prime minister igor sections 120 million-dollar yacht. italian authorities snagged three oligarchs yachts, one worth 65 million, another worth just 60 million. the third one worth 500 and $78 million. spanish authorities have seized for russian oligarchs yachts, coming in at a total of about 800 and $40 million. the uk caught two of them, about 125 million between them. there were just little ones. and germany impounded the 600 million dollar super yacht, which is by the price tag, someone decided to name, bill barr. all of this is sanctions at work. at least for the u.s., present biden is proposing that all the assets seized during this war would be given to ukraine. that's yet to become law, but that is where it looks like the u.s. is headed. i know there are a plethora of larger, micro-economic sanctions the west is lobbying

on russia, but these targeted sanctions, the ones custom bill to take away toys from russia's wealthiest most powerful individuals in the host that they will throw a fit and make it harder for putin to wages were. those sanctions are full steam ahead. manhood looks different from guy to guy. but when yours bends in a different direction,

you might feel bothered by it. so talk to a urologist. because a bend in your erection might be peyronie's disease or pd. it's a condition that involves a buildup of scar tissue. but, it's treatable. xiaflex is the only fda- approved nonsurgical treatment for appropriate adult men with peyronie's disease. along with daily penile stretching and straightening exercises, xiaflex has been proven to help gradually reduce the bend. don't receive if the treatment area involves your urethra, or if you're allergic to any collagenase or any of the ingredients. may cause serious side effects, including: penile fracture or other serious injury during an erection, and severe allergic reactions, including anaphylaxis. seek help if you have any of these symptoms. do not have any sexual activity during and for at least 4 weeks after each treatment cycle. sudden back pain reactions after treatment may occur. tell your doctor if you have a bleeding condition or take blood thinners as risk of bleeding or bruising at the treatment site is increased. talk to a urologist about what your manhood could look like. find a xiaflex-trained urologist at bentcarrot.com (vo) when it comes to safety, who has more iihs top safety pick plus awards—

the highest level of safety you can earn? subaru. when it comes to longevity, who has the highest percentage of its vehicles still on the road after ten years? subaru. and when it comes to brand loyalty, who does jd power rank number one in the automotive industry for three consecutive years? subaru. it's easy to love a car you can trust. it's easy to love a subaru. power e*trade gives you an award-winning mobile app with powerful, easy-to-use tools, and interactive charts to give you an edge. 24/7 support when you need it the most, plus zero-dollar commissions for online u.s. listed stocks. [ding] get e*trade from morgan stanley and start trading today.

under district attorney gascón, i prosecuted car break-ins. all repeat offenders, often in organized crime rings. but when chesa boudin took office, he dissolved the unit and stopped me from collaborating with the police on my cases. now home and car break-ins are on the rise because repeat offenders know they can get away with it. chesa boudin is failing to do his job. there's a better way to keep san francisco safe. recall chesa boudin now. what's it like having xfinity internet? it's beyond gig-speed fast. to keep san francisco safe.

so gaming with your niece, has never felt more intense. hey what does this button do? no, don't! we're talking supersonic wi-fi. three times the bandwidth and the power to connect hundreds of devices at once. that's powerful. couldn't said it better myself. you just did. unbeatable internet from xfinity. made to do anything so you can do anything. so don't forget, if you dvr the whoa. rachel maddow show you need to messaging the visor required msnbc prime too. rachel on mondays, msnbc prime tuesday through friday. all produced by rachel's great -y. time now for the last word with lawrence o'donnell, good evening sir. >> good evening, ali. and keep those yachts coming, that's a nice way to end the hour, to take a tour of the

latest seized the yacht. >> i thought we'd run out of that stuff after a while, i'm kind of fascinated by how many yachts there still are owned by russian oligarchs, they're still are owned by russian oligarchs. they are losing them pretty quickly. >> have a good show. >> i have never been and enraged by and i have strongly disagreed with a supreme court. supreme court decisions. but most of the time, i understood the legal reasoning, believing the decision process was legitimate. but not until this week, -- constitutional right revoked from all of us. and it is, first of all, a feeling. before we get to the analysis