good to be with you. i'm yasmin vossoughian in for my friend katy tur. we are in for a wild week with the stock market. yet another month of job growth, employers adding nearly half a million jobs in april, slightly higher than predictions. unemployment remaining unchanged at 3.6%. during the height of covid, the lost of 22 million jobs after a year of unprecedented growth, the job market is almost back to prepandemic levels, short about 1 million jobs. hourly earnings are 5 1/2% higher than just a year ago at this time. it is of course being overshadowed by the highest inflation rate in 40 years' time. most americans feeling like the economy is the worst it's been in a decade. and president biden's approval numbers are reflecting that as well.

only 34% of americans think the president is doing a good job with the economy. i'm going to speak with one of the president's economic advisers in just a minute. you don't want to miss that conversation. first, jolene kent is joining me along with nbc news white house correspondent carol lee and the host of "full disclosure." welcome to all you guys. thanks for joining me on this. i just laid out the numbers for everybody there. talk us through the details of this report. >> what we're seeing is actually labor force participation shrinking a bit, meaning more people are leaving the workforce. what you're going to see going forward is an ongoing, tight labor market. that means, as you mentioned, with wages going up 5 1/2% but inflation being 8 1/2% and not enough workers and, by the way, two job openings for every unemployed person, workers out there are still going to have their pick of where they want to work and how much they want to make. that's going to continue to

drive up costs. that's really the big takeaway from today's jobs report. yes, the jobs market remains very strong. it's the 12th straight month of over 400,000 jobs added, but that labor shortage is really driving up inflation. and so that continues to be a problem for the federal reserve, which, as you remember, hiked interest rates earlier this week by half a point. they're expected to do that again at the fed meeting and several more coming up here. inflation for everyone running for office, especially the biden administration right now looking toward the mid terms, it remains a very big challenge because it is the number one issue for voters right now. >> carol, let's talk about that a little bit and kind of a disconnect that we're seeing here. you're seeing these jobs numbers, unemployment where it is, jobs added over 400,000 there. when you take a look at the polling, 34% of americans think the president is doing a good

job with the economy. that is not good, carol. what's the white house saying? >> reporter: i think part of the white house's response is what you're seeing today and that is the president in ohio talking about american manufacturing, trying to highlight what his administration is doing to deal with inflation. we saw a written statement from the president already on this jobs report where he really highlighted the positive aspects of it, jobs growth, things like that, saying his policies were responsible for that. a very different message when it comes to inflation. the president in that statement saying we still have more work to do and americans facing a lot of challenges there. the republicans argue it is the president's policies that are responsible for inflation and what you're hearing from the white house, from the president, is he's trying to do something about it. today he's supposed to talk about efforts both in his executive power to try to boost

american manufacturing, make things here in the united states more and also push congress to pass legislation that would boost manufacturing of things likes semi-conductors. so the effort here and he's going to ramp this up and it will be interesting to see if he also criticizes republicans erlgier this week where he talked about their extreme economic agenda among other things. the effort here is just generally to try to put him on a more solid footing or at least give americans the sense that he's doing something about inflation because of those numbers that you mentioned. >> i'm going to be speaking with jared bernstein in just a moment. if you could answer which policies specifically are being blamed for inflation. >> reporter: republicans say generally the spending packages that the democrats passed, the covid relief, the infrastructure bill, things like that, that those are making the economy too hot and causing inflation. >> robin, let's get into it a

little bit. i want to pick up where joe left off and that is kind of this relationship between low unemployment and high inflation. walk us through that. >> i think that there's a certain amount of elitism kind of from the fed's vantage point and wanting it to be handsome but not too pretty. i don't think the minimum wage is even at $10 yet and you look at executive compensation or people with college degrees or masters degrees and above and their pay versus service class workers. so you finally saw some amount of leverage and clout coming out of the great pandemic and you have this great resignation and people were finally saying i'm finally being able to sit out and dictate my own terms.

with you now the fed is saying dictating too much of your own terms might be problematic and we're going to have to maybe bring down the entire economy to curtail that. that's frustrating. as you point out, 5.5% average wage growth is still nowhere near the headline inflation number. isn't it still coldly comforting if you're getting a 10% raise, 20% raise? you still have so many people still sitting out the economic expansion. >> so what do you make of this disconnect? you're seeing an economy on fire aside from this inflation and the disconnect with the american people. when i'm reporting in the streets, fobs were talking to me about this. they are dissatisfied with what's happening in this economy. they can't afford gars. >> let's go back to when small businesses and corporations were getting these loans just to hang on to their workforce.

when the economy did snap back and families got these, whatever, $1,200 chebs and $2,000 checks -- >> and they needed it then. >> disproportionately helpful to executives, the text workers and the like who got to hold their jobs, you go the to double dip and if you were lucky now to be in the stock market. inflation just kind of pours the salt. i know i mixed metaphors. it's not vindicating anybody to get a 5% or 6% raise in this environment. >> what exactors, robin, are we seeing the most wage growth in right now? >> you have to break it out in the blv report but hospitality, restaurants. you go to any chipotle, a diner, a greasy spoon, a more expensive place, hotels that are seeing capacity come back, it is

impossible to staff up at less than $15 an hour. and in terms of sick pay and sick leave and all these other fringe benefits, the fully loaded cost of these workers is higher than it's been. but these were some of the first workers who were abandoned en masse two years ago. >> that's the thing. you're not hearing from the high easterners that they're worried about inflation. you're hearing it from the wage workers, the folks having to go to and from work every single day and that have a stagnant essentially salary every week or biweekly. they're the ones that are most worried about this inflation, despite the fact that they've seen some nominal wage growth. >> and a first world problem to have, even though wall street complains about it, inflation. you talk about precious medals or crypto. the stock market has been a hedge against inflation. you have seen real estate and

realize it the ridiculous heat we've seen the inaccessibility to first time home buyers and starter homes. there's a certain amount of hell to pay coming out of there. >> public opinion and health to pay. how do you walk that back? >> if you're joe biden, how do you walk that back? you can't explain i'm giving you wage growth, there's inflation on the other end of it but i'm not necessarily responsible for the inflation. you have to talk to jerome powers. people want to blame the white house and the figure head of the white house just like they did jimmy carter or reagan in his first hundred days but in reality the fed controlled the bulk of economic policies on this planet. >> but you heard carol say, that's why i asked the question, is what is being blamed for the high inflation.

the policy of the biden administration, whether it is justified or not. it is covid relief, it is the major infrastructure bill. and so to a tern extent does the biden administration have to get out of that and say, no, no, this is not right. >> it's so hard to do. i don't envy his position. he has to say i feel your pain and we're trying our best to get you out of this and he looks tired. in reality the business cycle is the business cycle. if it's too hot and inflationary, it will sow the seeds of its own demise. very rarely have we been not too hot and not too cold. joe, thank you. carol lee, thank you. >> go ahead. >> oh, sorry. >> please, go.

>> gas prices are $4.27 a gallon on a national level. it's almost 12 cents higher than it was last week. so we're climbing back up ahead of the summer travel season. that's what people will be voting on. >> all right, joe, carol, robin, thank you guys for hanging with me, appreciate it starting it off. i want to bring in now white house economic adviser. let's talk about some of the issues i was discussing with my last panel. that was the disconnect with these economic numbers. you had low unemployment, staying fairly steady as well. but we're still looking at high inflation and that is what americans are concerned about. when i'm out in the streets reporting, when i'm at gas stations, when i'm at rallies happening in front of scotus, they talk about the economy and in inflation. what's happening at the white house level to kind of bridge

that gap? >> well, first of all, you're very much right regarding the gap, but the gap has two sides. if you ask people about their evening conditions, if you ask them about their balance sheets, their savings, how much it costs them to service their debt, you ask them about the value of their home prices if they're homeowners and certainly you ask them about the job market, these same surveys you're citing show people get just how strong and supportive this job market is. at the same time your comments about inflation are very much correct. that's why we are dispatched from this -- the fed is over there doing their thing. we stay out of their knitting. we're make sure goods are going to ports, make sure there's enough truckers to kick up our competition agenda so consumers can benefit from the great

effects of greater competition, and keep prescription drug, health care premiums, and so on. we have a very active agenda to try to help ameliorate this problem you quickly identified. >> i hear your agenda here but when you look at the polling numbers, it's not good numbers. 34 of america thinks the president is dos a good job. >> i think if you ask people about the job market, you'll see those numbers go up. i saw a number this year that said -- i get the point that two things can be true. people can have some very important economic tailwinds at their back helping them to face this difficult inflationary environment from a position of strength and they can be unsettled by the inflation. what do we do about the latter? everything we can to ease price

pressures. i went through some of the actions we've been taking. >> it's one thing to ease price pressures. it's another about messaging. the economy is the number one issue that people are worried about when it comes to casting their ballots come november. you're talking about the messaging of it. >> if it the messaging doesn't come from the policy, it phony messaging and we don't do that. we want people to know the president is fighting for kitchen table issues every day. he comes from a and i worked with president biden for a long time. you'll hear him say don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative.

i ask ask you and your colleagues to not just ask us about the litany of things we're trying do to bring down price pressures but ask those on the opposition what they're doing to bring down price pressures because we're not seeing it. i think the most prominent proposal i've seen from republicans is to raise taxes from middle class people and sun set medicare and social security. i don't think that's what america needs or wants to hear right now. i think when we go from policy to messaging, the key points, the messaging that's not connected to real, concrete, helpful policy for the american middle class is not the kind that this white house will engage in. >> let me ask you this one last question. that was about student loan forgiveness. i was out front in scotus, talking to women who are unhappy

with what's to come. they're not confident that the biden administration will able to do anything and they coupled it with that they're not living up to some of the promises they made, one of which was student loan forgiveness. i flow is a plan in the pipeline likely to be announced come the summer. why wait that long and what is that plan going to look like? >> there's a lot of issues to unpack. one of the things we've been talking about with economic advisers is the negative implications of restricting women abortion. on student loans, perhaps underappreciated is not just what we're going to do but has

done. everyone knows, including you, knows about how many times pr haez president has paused the payments. we've continued to pause those. we've forgiven $18 billion of student debt for people who were, for example, defrauded by their universities. as you mentioned, there is not it is likely to be forthcoming. so it's not that we haven't done much. we've done a lot and will continue to hit that policy area. >> jared bernstein, thanks so much for joining us this hour. we appreciate it. still ahead, everybody, the latest out of ukraine where. and they don't have enough to pass it. why are they moving forward with

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refugees and aid workers as well. her visit comes as the u.n. leads another rescue effort for the remaining trapped inside a besieged plant in mariupol. more than 500 have managed to leave in recent days. president zelenskyy today calling it a demonstration of terrorism and hatred. and we're learning more about how ukrainian forces sank the russian warship last month. they say they used u.s. intel to target it. john kirby denying that the u.s. provided ukraine with specific information. >> what i can tell you is we didn't provide you specific targeting information for that ship and we were not involved in their decision to strike that ship. >> joining me now is kelly cobiella and courtney kube. kelly, just bring us up to date

as to what's happening on the ground there. >> reporter: well, we haven't heard anything from the united nations yet on this latest attempt to rescue civilians from that besieged steel plant, but we are hearing a report out of the russian news agency r.a.i. that about 12 civilians were evacuated from the plant earlier today. again, haven't had confirmation on that yet. president zelenskyy says that that plant was under almost constant shelling through the night. so today perhaps just a brief break in order to get some of those people out. he also was asked today about whether or not mariupol would fall. take a listen to what he said. >> translator: mariupol will never fall. i'm not talking about -- the fighters, the army that we have

but there is nothing there to fall apart. it is already devastate. there is no place, there is no structure. it is all destroyed completely. >> reporter: the united nations head antonio gutierrez described it as a hellscape. the city itself we heard from the mayor that it is in complete ruins. there is no water, no sewer, no electricity, a very difficult place for people there. and obviously that is why they're trying to get people out. the city council as well trying to organize these evacuations from that city as we get closer to may 9th, victory day in russia. there are fears that there will be some sort of celebration or something to mark that day held in mariupol. we already saw today some video

from inside the city of russian flags flying there. >> certain worries about that date may 9th. kelly, i'm going to let you go. i appreciate you joining us at this hour. courtney, let's talk about some of the reporting that you have. you and ken delaney were the first to report on the russian intelligence after the report of killing of russian generals as well. walk us through about what you know about this reporting. >> reporter: it's important to point out, john kirby is not denying that the u.s. provided intelligence. he's denying that they provided targeting information. it means he's saying the united states did not give ukraine information that they then used to launch those neptune missiles. what we are told, according to the reporting that we put out exclusively as you mentioned late yesterday, is that ukraine came to the united states with

some information and the u.s. provided some corroborating information about the moskva. as we know, soon after, the ukrainian military launched off at least two neptune missiles, struck that ship, it caught fire and sunk after. there could have been hundreds of russian sailors killed. this is an extremely important almost turning point in this war so far. this was a russian flagship. the russians only have three of them, it's named after moscow. not only was it strategically and tactically important because of the importance of the ship but it was symbolically important. it was seen as an extremely embarrassing event for the kremlin. there is concern about the fact that it was sunk and that the ukrainian military were the ones able to sink it. you also mentioned this the "new

york times" report about the russian general. nbc's reporting with my colleagues is that in fact the biden administration has a policy that says that the united states cannot provide targeting information to ukraine to take out strategic leaders. that means both civilian leaders and military leaders. that is why there's been a lot of pushback from the administration about the head line that says that the u.s. is providing information to kill russian generals. russian generals, the way the russian military doctrine works is these generals are on the front lines in many cases. the russian military is not set up like the u.s. military. so these younger men on the front lines can't make decisions in real time. they have to go back to their higher headquarters. so many of the russian leaders are forward, they're in what since the united states is providing realtime intelligence to the ukrainian military, it stands to reason some of that

intelligence may have led to injuring or killing russian generals. the administration is taking issue with the word "intend tent," that they are providing information with the explicit intent of killing russian generals. that's the fine line here. it's a distinction but an important one. on the ground, question, the u.s. providing a lot of intelligence and some is being used to go after russian units. >> could. ing coming up, everybody, a look at states emboldened by the supreme court leak, including details of a proposed bill in louisiana that would classify abortion as a homicide. we'll be right back. a homicide we'll be right back.

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first public appearance since that news broke. meanwhile, on capitol hill democrats are scrambling to protect abortion access on a federal level if justices ultimately strike down roe. the senate expected to vote yesterday and without 60 votes for a filibuster, it is all but doomed. joining me is garrett haake and pete williams. pete let's start with you. >> reporter: he said it would be absolutely foolish for the person responsible for this leak to think it will have any effect on the court's decision-making process. he said what upsets him is it might give the wrong impression of the court's workforce. he said he hopes the actions of one bad apple won't do that.

and he called the breach a betrayal and breach of trust and he ordered the marshal to launch an investigation. she is the court's security officer and is in charge of the court's police force. the court has so far declined to provide any details about how the leak investigation is being conducted. i would note josh gerstein of politico, who co-wrote this bombshell story about the alito draft, he said as far as he knows nobody from the court has contacted politico about the leak. i don't think that's very surprising. i don't think there's any way politico is going to reveal anything about its source. >> absolutely. garrett, i interviewed senate murphy on andrea's show and said do you guys have the votes to codify roe and he said no.

>> the long-term strategy is to elect more like-minded democrats. in the short term they need to show their voters they're fighting on this issue. we'll see a vote that looked a lot like the vote that happened earlier this year on the women's health protection act, which goes further than codifying the protections enshrined in row that would actually roll back some state laws. that's part of the reason they won't get support from two republican senators. there's no combination of bills and proposals here that's available that would get to 60. perhaps you could get to 50 but that's not the game being played here in terms of trying to get something and the filibuster. for now the best hope is to gal galvanize their voters and turn into into a 2022 mid-term issue. the abortion vote is heating

up nationwide. a louisiana bill now classifying an abortion as a homicide, and is headed for a vote on the statehouse floor. if this bill passes and goes unchallenged, it would be the harshest punishment for abortion anywhere in the country. first, give me a reaction to this louisiana bill. >> the bill is cruel but it is a bill that is also trying to match the other very, very cruel bills that we have seen passed in other states, bills that would prevent people from traveling and leaving their state, bills that been abortion before you even know that you're pregnant, bills that have no exception for medical reason, rape or incest. what we're seeing on the ground is cruel. >> when you're looking at the majority opinion written by

alito, there is a portion of his opinion saying we are returning this to the people, to the states. if you live in a state with the majority of people who believe women should have access to abortion, do you have a legal avenue to take if in fact your state legislature decides to effectively ban abortion? >> if justice alito's opinion becomes the actual law of the land, what we expect to see is 26 to 28 states passing laws that ban abortion that leave particularly women out in the cold. and i want to be really clear here. we have a long history of the undermining of our fundamental rights in history. that's why we set the bar for

justice and rights and liberty. the vast majority of people in this country support roe, support abortion access and do not think that this should be happening. >> so is there nothing these women can do if they live in a state where 60% of people in that state want people to have access to abortions but their governor has effectively banned abortion. is there nothing they can do at that point? >> we've had a bit of an parliament this year because abortion has effectively been banned in texas since september. i expect to see people with means being able to travel with places where abortion is more fully legal. and i expect to see people without means in harm's way. >> fatima goss graves, thank you so much. >> from affordable health care to free pre-k. parents across the nation are

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quality, reliable care, i would be able to be working right now. >> my ask to you, my senators, is that we throw more support behind affordable, accessible quality child care. >> we are still bouncing back financially from paying off my birth, as well as post partum care 19 months later. >> senators, our families are struggling. my family is struggling. our care givers are struggling. you can do something about it. >> never loved anything more. joining me now is one of the mothers joining the mommy buster project. i love this, as a mom of two, i love this so much. i nope you're a mom of two as well. we have struggled through this pan dem uk in. >> it's been a very big struggle. at the beginning when child care

facilities closed and i was tasked for take caring of my kids half the day while the other half of the day i attempted to work and that wasn't sustainable and it eventually led me from being laid off in my job. so it's been a struggle. >> why did you want to join the mommy buster project? why was it so important to you? >> i mean, this is an issue that affects millions of families and the fact that there isn't enough infrastructure to support those families is disgraceful. and there needs to be a change. this campaign i think is very creative, effective and it gets to the point of what families need. >> does it change the narrative for you with the potential of roe being overturned in june? >> um, you know, i think -- i don't think that these issues are mutually exclusive. i think obviously they're very, very interconnected. the ability of families to be

able to pay for child care and quality early learning, i think it ties that to abortion. >> i want to talk about what you're doing on this campaign, it involves a full-page ad. mommy buster. i wish i was there to see that one. what do you want to accomplish here? >> we want to tell our national leaders that a change needs to happen. this is infrastructure that should have been in place before the pandemic and now that the pandemic is here, now that child care facilities and early learning facilities are closing at a really shocking pace, really concerning pace, we need these supports more than ever. families need this break now. >> you're talking about needing the support. child tax credit ending at the

beginning of the year. how have you seen this loss of that tax credit impact families and their coalition? >> i mean, the obvious financial impact is quite large. you know, i live in seattle. the disparity between the middle class and the upper class is growing really alarmingly fast. and even faster for those in the lower class. any kind of step ups that we can get to help support our families i think is really crucial. >> if other moms, patty, want to get involved, what's your advice to them? >> the organization behind the mommabuster is a great organization to get in contact with. the way they tell our stories is really effective and they care a lot about the state of families in this country. so get in touch with them.

and just be vocal. keep writing into your state legislatures and federal legislatures. we need to be vocal in order to make a change. they're not going to understand how hard families are struggling if we stay silent. >> how do you give women help right now? there's a lot of women really worried about the future, women that have children and do not have children as well. you are getting behind this project because you want to effect change in this country. women feel it's really hard to effect change in the way the government is investing in and what they're doing i can see you continue to have hope in you. what do you say to women that feel hopeless? >> i think these are issues that are worth fighting for. and the option of giving up shouldn't be the option. it's not a and it's a future that i would really like to

avoid. so we have to keep fighting. we have no other choice. we have to be vocal. we have to stand together. we can do this together. there are so many of us, families, and moms, we are an army and i think we need to leverage that. >> we are army. how old are your babies, patty? >> almost 3 and almost 6. >> they better pamper you this sunday, mother's day. they better pamper you. >> i agree. >> yeah, i agree. i can tell you're a good mama. happy mother's day. thank you very much for joining us, the beginning of your weekend. enjoy it. >> thank you. >> up next, we're live in louisville with our numbers guy, steve kornacki. which horse he says has the best chance of winning this year's kentucky derby. that's coming up. year's kentucky derby that's coming up

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. welcome back. after a delayed race in 2020, limited crowds in 2021, one of the most prestigious events in horse racing is back. this saturday, the kentucky derby will have its first normal race without covid restrictions in three years time. an estimated 150,000 people are expected to attend the 148th run

for the roses. where 22 horses will compete in the first leg of the triple crown. guess who is joining us with always the plum assignment with his fascinator and mint julep in hand. steve kornacki joining us from louisville. i feel like you took it off the live shot. i know you have a fastener. >> i can't drink on the job. >> it would be more fun, wouldn't it? >> go ahead. take it away. who are which putting our money on? >> i tell you, it's an interesting variable because i don't know if you can see behind me, within the last few minutes, the rains have started. the forecast looked grim all friday, holding off. the rains are coming down a bit now. the question here heading into tomorrow and the big race, how much rain are we going to get? is that going to affect the crowd you're talking about. thinking about getting 150,000 people here. obviously there is the race itself tomorrow, a lot of drama surrounding rate tomorrow is

somebody it involves somebody not here, bob baffert, bob baffert, the trainer that has won the kentucky derby a number of times, seemed to win it last year with medina spirit, then had the horse disqualified because of a medical vie. baffert had two horses he was training until a few weeks ago. because he's banned from running in the race he transferred them to a different trainer and they are going to be in the race. their names messier and taiba and two of the more interesting racers, coming out of southern california, the santa anita derby. a lot to like about those horses. an interesting dynamic where baffert himself is banned from this race, but two horses he had a big hand in training for the last year, are going to be here with chances to win tomorrow. the other two horses i think just to keep an eye on, looking at the leaderboard on the odds board tomorrow, epicenter, zandon, likely to be the favorites tomorrow afternoon. a lot of possibilities tomorrow. >> writing these names down.

epicenter, zandon, i got my eye on those horses, and i'm going to be watching. i'm assuming no precautions at this point in place for covid? >> no. when you talk to folks around here, the thing you hear over and over again, isn't it grate great to have a normal derby again. there's a big crowd here today. they're running inside for shelter with the rain, but folks looking ahead to tomorrow, hoping for some nice weather and they're saying this is a nice way to -- nice break after the last two years. >> steve kornacki, great to see you. have some fun. >> thanks so much. >> that does it for me. hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. hallie jackson picks up our hallie jackson picks up our coverage next. (grandmother) did you get his number? (young woman) no, grandma! grandma!! (grandmother) excuse me! (young woman vo) some relationships get better with time.

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