here on msnbc. here on msnbc. this is the katie fang show live from miami, florida. we have a lot of news to cover and questions to answer. let's get started. the fight for abortion rights, rallies planned across the united states today as the majority of americans say that abortion should be legal. this is not the first time that we have seen republicans or gop appointed judges subvert the will of the people. we will get into that. plus, supreme her prophesy. justice clarence thomas made comments to roe v. wade. why his comments are raising

eyebrows. we are following joe biden's first lady to her visit to ukraine. she is meeting with refugee students in romania. all of that and much more is coming right up. ♪ ♪ ♪ a good saturday morning to you. i am katie fang. let's begin today show with this reality. 60% of americans believe that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. this is according to a research poll taken in march. so, if the supreme court overturned roe v. wade they would be subverting the will of the american people. we have seen this before, right? republicans or gop appointed judges are pushing through wide ranging policies that the majority of americans do not agree with. let's talk about mass. a poll conducted last month

shows that 56% of americans favor requiring masks on planes, trains, and public transportation. 20% were opposed to the policy. this minority, this is the group that got their way when they trump appointed judge overturned the nationwide mask mandate. how about lgbtq issues? in a national poll of april of last year, 67% opposed a state law that would prohibit transgender athletes from joining sports teams that match their gender identity. 13 states, led by republican legislators, have passed these bands. as far as taking -- talking about gender orientation, a poll asked whether people support legislations that support lessons about such things in elementary school. 62 opposed that kind of legislation. that did not stop florida republicans from not passing their don't say hey don't say gay bill. other states are considering

these bills. this brings us to this quote from robert brownstein's essay in the atlantic about the leaked draft, quote, it also illuminates another deeper phenomenon in american public politics. the urgency and ambition of the republican drive to lock into law the cultural priorities of its white christian and older electoral coalition at a moment of demographic change. this weekend, there are rallies planned across the united states in support of abortion rights. msnbc correspondent liz mcneill often is live in houston. they have organized a protest for later today. liz, tell us what is going on. >> katie, in five hours, hundreds, or thousands of will gather in downtown houston. since the draft was released, there have been several rallies across texas. this is expected to be the biggest as well as other

reproductive rights organizations. texas is one of 13 states that is a trigger state. they have trigger laws in place that would ban abortions if roe v. wade was reversed. here, a lot of you are going to vote and voice their opinions. they are outraged. we are also expecting to see counterprotest like texas right to life. this is one of the organizations that supported the initial six-week band here, katie. >> so, liz, what kind of impact is the current news, regarding roe v. wade, having on the political races that are pending there in texas. especially in the governor tory hall, the race is a central talking point. the democratic candidate here is hoping to galvanize voters over this issue. he called it a power grab. it is a way to control women. the current governor, doubled

down and said this is a pro-life state. public opinion does not back that up. 78% of texans think that emotions should be legal, at least in some form, if the trigger laws went into effect. only maternal life would be the exception. in cases of rape or incest, abortions are still illegal. that is hoping to be a sticking point for a lot of the middle ground voters getting a lot of demographic -- democratic voters out the door. -- there is a lot to go, especially for work. he's 11% behind according to a recent poll. >> thank you to liz mclaughlin live in houston. coming up, i want to talk more about action. i will speak to the president of neural, the oldest existing abortions right group in the country about what people can do to fight back.

turning now to the war in ukraine, jill biden is getting a first look of the russian assault. she's in romania meeting with aid workers, refugees, and the country's first lady. in the meantime, in mariupol, more civilians have been evacuated from the besieged steel plant as they start to crush the last four. gray is in lviv with the latest. >> jay, what more can we expect from the first ladies visit today? >> more on that in a second. i want to let you know that the air raid sirens have been sounding. we are going into bomb shelters in the city square and areas across the city. this is within the last few seconds. we have heard the air raid sirens sounding in lviv. let's talk about with the first lady is doing. she is currently at a public school and visiting with refugee students who are there.

they have been placed in that school. she is listening to the minister of education there and talking with these children. she is trying to understand a bit more of what is happening as the refugee families are integrating into communities like bucharest and how they are being taken care of their. tomorrow, she traveled to the border where she will spend mother's day with some of the moms and children who escaped the violence in ukraine's. >> we know that more civilians have been evacuated from the steel plant in mariupol. there is a growing fear that fighting may escalate this weekend in advance of may 9th. what can you tell us about that? >> no question. we realized this fear in areas to the east where the fighting has intensified dramatically. mariupol continues to be the primary target for many of those russian troops. about 50 civilians were evacuated yesterday. they will continue this effort today. we are concerned about the fighting and the chance that it

will spark up and really fold in that humanitarian corridor. this is all coming ahead of what is a victory day in russia on monday. it is a military holiday. it was celebrating the victory over nazi germany in world war ii. there is evidence and many indications that vladimir putin wants to celebrate victories in ukraine. he feels like he can do that in mariupol. they cleared some of the roadways. they refurbish some of the old russian statues and it is an area where they could have a celebration. >> quickly, and jay, president biden has given reaction to the reports about intel sharing with ukraine. this is an msnbc exclusive. what is president biden saying about that? >> katie, he says the leaks are counterproductive to what they are trying to do in this region. the leaks must stop. he seems to be frustrated by

the idea that the information was getting out. >> thank you, jay. we turn now to the economy. a strong job report yesterday of more than 400,000 jobs added in april. unemployment is study at 3.6%. a worker shortage persist. kristen walker has more. >> with growing dissatisfaction over his handling of the economy, president biden is touting the job report. >> we have now created a total of 8.3 million jobs in my first 15 months in office. >> with 420,000 jobs added to the u.s. economy in april, the country has gained back 95% of the jobs lost in the pandemic. this creates opportunities for people like new graduate, jordan waited, who started a communications role with a arts nonprofit. >> it gave me an opportunity to loop in my hobbies and

interests. it is more money, different title, different organizational structure. >> the country is also facing economic hint winds. paychecks are up five and a half percent but prices are soaring higher with inflation at a 40 year record. home prices have spiked 20%. gas prices are near record highs and the dow is down 9% this year. it puts a dense in retirement funds. republicans today are blasting the presidents policies of blaming him and democrats for skyrocketing prices. this as to the economic toy turmoil. there are job openings. there are two jobs available for every person unemployed. among the reasons, some people are retiring early due to the pandemic. others are holding out for higher pay. businesses like precision landscape in portland oregon say that they have had to increase salaries and turned down new customers. >> it has been hard to find employees. it becomes a much more

challenging environment to find employees. we get competition from areas we once did not. >> our thanks to kristen walker. coming up, we know that if a row is over overturned, abortion will become legal in many states. a new bill through louisiana's legislature will take it to a new fighting level of murder. you heard this right. i will talk to my next desk partner to on how to fight back. -- if you are in an insurrection honest should be able to run for office? this is to have marjorie taylor greene disqualified from re-seeking election. we will break down the judges ruling in just a little bit. before we go to break, derek brown has more top stories you might have missed. >> hey there, katie. this morning, at least 22 people are dozen and injured

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>> neighbor, pro-choice america, is the oldest existing abortion rights group in the united states. the president says we need to examine how quickly things shifted on the right. it is really important to understand that we are not dealing with the same republican party that we were a decade ago. we are dealing with some extreme overreach. extreme overreach you say? we are seeing that. the state legislator and louisiana has advanced a bill that would classify abortion as homicide. if it passes, authorities could charge the women getting the abortion and those assisting them with murder. they called the bill unconstitutional. today i want to talk about action and what people can do with their rage, passion, and fear, about the heat intensely personal issue. to do that, i'm glad to welcome the president of nay wall, pro-choice america,. -- it criminalizes abortion and

will come into effect when roe is overturned. the bill cost by the abortion as homicide. missouri is proposing its own bill that will allow private citizens to sue anyone that are taking an out of state abortion. if roe is overturned, the flight will get floodgates will open even more and we will see these kinds of bills punishing women who seek abortions as well as those who help them in more states? >> that's a great question, katie. we were concerned about this even before the leak, since last year, since the supreme court took on the jobs of versus a jackson. the case in question that could overturn roe. we have seen -- since the court declined to intervene in texas after the tsv eight past, it was signed by the governor. that is a six-week abortion ban with a vigilante enforcement mechanism. we have seen the floodgates open. idaho, oklahoma, arizona,

florida, and i am missing states that have already taken action. kansas has a amendment valid admission in august. michigan has a good one coming up in november. we have seen so many bad bills passed legislators with no pushback because the courts are going to gut roe. even before this monday, we were warning the country that this is coming. in the last few years we have seen a record number of abortion bans and robertson restrictions passed. this is the beginning, unfortunately. >> at the top of the organization's website right now it reads, quote, this is an all hands on deck a moment. but are the real options available to americans and others who want to fight back against this extremism? >> thank you for asking! we are really focused on the next steps. our good friends in the legal

community, are actually in court battling these out. we have amazing democratic governors and attorney generals across the country to take action. -- she's doing great with a litigation strategy for her team with how to fight back. we have governors threatening the veto. we have federal legislation that is going to be challenging to pass because of things you have talked about on this show around voting rights and the filibuster. the key thing to do right now is that we have enough opportunity to wake people up about the onslaught, the assault on abortion rights, and we have a chance to catalyze that range, a rage and anxiety to the ballot box. there is a clear contrast between the republicans and the democrats on this issue. the gop is becoming more and more extreme. we have memos coming out of the gop warning that they are candidates to be monitored on

this issue while candidates are banning contraception next legally. louisiana's passing extreme abortion bans that will penalize doctors and women. we have a moment for us to catalyze and understand why this midterm election is going to be so critical, if we can hold and expand the senate majority and hold the house. democrats, we can pass. a better legislation that will codify row and go on to expand and be -- show up at rallies. call your legislators. it is not just your congress people. it is your folks on the ground, you're governors. get involved at the races. fight to protect your state legislator and to fight your state legislator. this is where the action is now. >> i have less than a minute. i wanted to ask this question. next week, the senate is poised to vote on the health protection act which will provide federal legislation to

provide federal access care across the united states. the general consensus is it will pass. you do not have the powers and number to get it passed. in light of this reality, do you think democrats will have options available at the federal law to protect abortion rights nation wide? >> next week is the first vote. we need to have hearings, outrage. we need everyone to call the senators that will be against it and push them. we cannot let this go by in the dark of night. there are still options as soon as we keep fighting. >> many to mirage, to thank you for joining us this morning. >> thank you, katie. >> coming up. >> how dare they tell women which she can and cannot do with her own body. >> some strong words from vice president kamala harris on the way that the draft was leaked. could this be her moment? i have the perfect person to

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of their ability to make decisions of their own bodies? >> the first thing i would say is how shocking it was when we heard the news. joe and i got the call. it had been leaked. the president matters. the election of the president matters. he is the one who puts the justices on the court. if this goes to a state level, our state legislators are going to matter to. people need to get involved. >> and now, msnbc's newest host is simone sanders. she joins me now. simone, first, congratulations on today's launch and the opportunity to interview the first lady. what, in your opinion, was the most important issue to ask her about when you have the privilege to sit down with her? >> thank you so much, katie. i think it was important to get her reaction on the leaked

draft decision from the supreme court. that was the first question i asked her. i also thought it was key to talk about her trip, as you stated at the top of the show, that she is in eastern europe, romania, slovakia, going to these low back in ukrainian border. if she had speak spoken to mrs. zelenskyy or not. she talks about her communications with folks in eastern europe, in advanced of her trip. i wanted to make sure i asked about her legacy. she's the first first lady to hold a job outside the white house. doctor biden is a teacher and he just community college in virginia. we talked about that. we talked about how her independence is important to her. i think juxtaposing those comments with a lot of what people are feeling across the country right now with the erosion of their right to make decisions about their own bodies was fascinating. >> obviously, simone, the biggest story domestically is

the leaked draft. your former boss, kamala harris, took a strong stance this week at a gala for emily's list and an abortionist rights group. >> women's issues are americas issues. democracies, democracies cannot be strong if the rights of women are under attack. >> the vp went on to say that if the justices are going through with the ruling it will be a direct assault on freedom. simone, could this be her moment to release china and give her voice? >> i would say and caution folks into thinking that this is the thing that vice president harris will talk about. in my experience, having working for her, and the makeup of issues that she has under her belt in that office, this

is something that is important to her as a person who cares about democracy and as a former lawyer. it is not the only issue. i would like to remind folks that the vice president is also in charge of voting rights. i think in this conversation that has researched about caught-ifying row into legislation we are going to see a number of voting rights advocates say, do roe and then let's to voting rights. you will hear conversations about the economy as well. i think it is advanced and meeting, katie, that with the worst maternal mortality rates, with no paid family leave, a country where they did, they as in the united states senate, did not reinstate the child tax credit we are talking about the forced birth and criminalization of women. i think this will be in the hopper. it is all going to be things that you will hear the vice president speak about.

>> simone, how do you feel about your transition from government? you've gone inside the fishbowl to looking inside to that fishbowl. >> i appreciate the new vantage point. i feel great. i spent a long career in politics. i am excited about the launch of the show today. i hope you will watch it at 4 pm and come back tomorrow at 4 pm. you can catch me on peacock throughout the week. but what i am doing is bringing additional inside. i worked for the vice president, the president, 22 campaigns in my political career. i do have a sense of what is happening, what is going on, why these decisions are being made. i am excited to unpack this on my show and have fun, katie. our set is not as restoration hardware ready as yours but we will have a good time and look good while doing it.

>> as we mentioned, simon premiers today at 4:00 eastern on msnbc with an exclusive interview with the first lady. you can also watch simone with her new, original episodes of the show on monday and tuesday on peacock. simone sanders, i am excited and cannot wait to tune in today. >> thank you so much, katie. i'm happy to be with you. have a great rest of the show. >> a double standard on display in the nation's highest court. the top judge wants to get the bottom of the road lead. when it comes to another scotus sandal scandal, moms the word. cofounder rick wilson is on the set with me to break down this seemingly selective outrage. this is next. selective outrage.

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shockwaves across the country and rattled the court itself. institution with long standing protocols of secrecy and into penetrable t. chief justice roberts announced an investigation calling the leak of the majority draft opinion of a roe v. wade a singular and agree just a brief breach of trust. this comes after his silence a month ago when they face another controversy that had major potential to shape the trust of the institution. as you would recall, in text messages obtained by the

january six committee, ginni thomas and a wife of clarence thomas repeatedly pressed chief of staff to pursue efforts to overturn the 2022 presidential election. this is a conflict of interest regarding his role on the high court, especially when it comes to cases pretending to the january 6th insurrection. in an ironic development, justice thomas here his self spoke out yesterday referencing the we reach the the leak. respect for institutions is eroding if people are not willing to live with outcomes i do not agree with. we are rolling our eyes at each other. our former political strategist and cofounder rick wilson. >> rick, we are leading to rolling our eyes. he is not the boss of them. he cannot tell them what to do. why is it such a epic failure and epic sound point that there has been no calls publicly for

an apology or a crucial issue for thomas? >> if there's an internal process known as told us what it is. if there is accountability for the genie thomas being directly and intimately involved with this newton parade of weird people overturning a free and fair democratic election in his country, and the communications she had with mark meadows and other officials, if there is an investigation about that we have not heard about it. we should have heard about this, with the lead of the roe decision. we certainly heard -- my case and i have no evidence for this, it is someone in the court doing it. i think they want to put some steam out of the system. they wanted to trial balloon it. they want to see what the reaction was. and they wanted to try to block in the conservative justices so that they would not move off the decision if roberts, who is

rumored to wanting a moderate standards of aledo outcome from this. we do not know what's the internal discipline processes for these things. with ginni thomas, you are not seeing any of it. she is not just an activist or speaking her mind, she is a participant with these people. she is a big part of this maga ecosystem of people that have been trying to overturn the election for the beginning. >> i want to focus on a little bit that we are quick to label the justices on the supreme court as being shot conservative or liberal. it is a conservative block or a liberal block but the reality is, and i don't know if you do this, to deliver on a campaign promise. i will put antiabortionist activist judges on the supreme court. he has done it. he delivered.

i am asking people for weeks now, are the democrats good enough, strong enough, to be one issue voters. there are republicans who can do that. >> there are republicans who can do that but at the end of the day, i think america has a short attention span these days. i can remember six months ago, republicans were declaring that the only issue in the race will be afghanistan and the biden loss of afghanistan. this is the only issue. then a few weeks ago it was gas prices that were the only issue. we take from one crisis to another. it is the negative of the trump era. we kareen from one crisis that is the defining issue to the next. i do believe that this decision has a profound political impact. it is in the context of a broader movement on the way and a broader authoritarian movement on the way to illuminate the rights of people they believe are on

sufficiently like them. i do think it is going to be consequential. it will be important. i did not know that it will be the central issue. i often had a theory in campaigns that the side that overshoots on the abortion position is the losing side. there are parts where democrats were losing races over third trimester abortions, which are not and do not pull in the same way as roe v. wade. this feels like an overshoot. they're -- the lincoln project especially is targeting the bannon line burger. if we lose three to 8% of republicans trump can't win. he said thank you, hold my beer. we believe that this may expand the line with suburban american women who are pro-choice then

evangelicals, and white men. we think this may be a more adjustable group for democrats. they are not going to can verte high progresses but they can be reachable in these races. >> they spent decades to overturn roe v. wade. with the victory insight, republicans have gone quite on the issue. trump did not mention abortion in his rally in pennsylvania. senator graham refused to comment on if it should be overturned. senator hawley does not support a ban on abortions. it looks like the dog caught the car. the dog caught the car. republicans are like, oh snap, what do we do with it now? it is like you said. is their messaging that they failed to take advantage right now that will speak to and resonate with that suburban, white, female voter that is registered as a republican? >> there are messages there. we are working on developing those. we are talking to a lot of women right now who are feeling

the sense of exile. and the constructs of progress on race and equality are starting to break down. there is a nervousness and fear that is growing. i think that these folks also want to see her sense of agency in their life. that is going to give them a sense of agency and urgency. if you like the republican party got a scared of the gifts they were given by the court. >> i only have 30 seconds left with you. i want to ask you high-level about something like the lincoln project. do you think that there should be interactions of that to take what you gained from that gop playbook as a republican strategist to infuse that into anti trump, anti baton, anti establishment. i'm a former registration registered republican and does not look like what it was for me four years ago. >> there is a fight that requires to put aside the old

ideological predicates. we don't have ideology except for power. it is important for people who believe in an anti authoritarian movement and a pro democracy movement in protecting a constitutional republic. it is important to stand up. put your ideological differences aside and save this country at a base level that we have not seen in a long time. >> rick wilson, i'm out of time. i am bitter about this. i would love to crack open that beer and hang out with you. it has been a minute. >> it has been a minute. >> it really has been. i want to wrap myself in the american flag and get on that soap box. we are going to visit a time in our country want people who wanted abortions were forced to go underground. spoiler, the time of history is now. the growing network of communities offering help to those in desperate need of abortion access. this is coming up next. d of abortion access. this

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openly in this clinic, according to california law, we can arrested. we've appeared for arraignment. our next step is. court >> have you got through an abortion? >> yes i have. >> why? >> i was pregnant and i could not have a child and i was not willing to go through a pregnancy and give the child up. >> so, it's easy to forget how common illegal abortions were before the supreme court made them legal in 1973. making abortions illegal did not stop women from ending their pregnancies, but sometimes, they had to do it under unsafe and dangerous conditions, at times, risking their lives. so people got together and organized underground abortion networks that facilitated safe methods at little to no cost to the woman. a lifeline for so many at the time. it's hard to believe that's now, 50 years later, we are seeing a resurgence of similar movements with a modern-day twist.

women are mobilizing online. at the forefront's red it's on tv network. volunteers go to the website to offer a place to say, food, rides to clinics, and more. two people who are having trouble active sing abortions where they live. i am willing and able to drive to you in maine or new england, one volunteer wrote. if you need a place to stay, or a hand to hold, or even if you just want someone to talk to, please reach out to me. roped another. my next guest is a member of the reddit auntie's. victoria spring joined the group this week, following the news that abortion rights might be overturned. she joins me now. victoria, it's a pleasure to have you this morning. i have to ask, what immediately went through your mind when news about the draft opinion came out earlier this week? >> well, i had been asleep when it originally came out, so i kind of woke up to the news. it felt like just getting punched in the stomach immediately, this incredibly

feeling threat of nausea. just hitting you as soon as you wake up, it was definitely terrifying. >> well, for you, you live in a blue state. you live in new york. that state has laws that to protect a woman's rights to choose. so, victoria, why? why did you decide to become active and to join the on t's network? are you worried, also, about maybe getting into trouble for your activism? >> yes, so i grew up in the red state. i grew up in north carolina. and i actually, my people that i knew used to volunteer for pro life organizations, and it's very much the culture there. so i'm very familiar with the experience of living in a red state and knowing that there may be limitations on your access to things like this, if it's legal, cultural limitations, and being in new york has made me aware of the

privileges that, to access i have to things like abortion and other forms of health care. so i really wanted to take that privilege and that access and uses to help other people, if possible, and give them access to the same health care. >> when the anti-network launched in may of 2019, it began with just a few hundred members. today, the group has exceeded 28,000. how much do you think the internet and social media have given this kind of activism and edge, especially compared to movement in the 70s, who didn't have this powerful tool? >> yeah, i think that for all of the ways we can criticize social media, i think that's helping kick catalyze people into collective action is the one of the main advantages of social media. people are outraged on social media, and they express their outrage on there and they're leveraging the resource they

have and potentially, millions of people see your tweets, right? or your tiktok, and they're using that to bring people together to make a difference and try to help others and match the swell of community. so, i think social media and love it or hate, it's it's really helping to get the message out and organize people. >> you say there's a space for men in this fight. are men offering their help and assistance, and how important are they as allies to your cause? >> i've definitely see man posting on reddit offering to be helpers and offering to be aunties, particularly, there was one guy who said he was trans and he was in particular offering his health for any queer or trans people who might be seeking abortions, and i feel like that such an incredibly good and beneficial thing to do, because think about if you are somebody who needs an abortion and your only option is to go to another

state, you don't know anybody there, and so you have turned to reddit and you are just messaging some complete stranger on reddit being like hey, can i come see your house? you could take me to get in abortion on wednesday? that's terrifying, because you don't know that person. you don't know if they have good intentions, if they are secretly antiabortion, if they are going to be a it anti-trans or anti queer, so having someone to offer support in those communities create some really safe spaces for people who share those identities, and i, in general, think that we do need to rely on men and fists men's allyship in the fight for abortion rights. i absolutely think that they have a role in the fight. >> victoria spring, member of the reddit aunties, we thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you so much. >> we'll be right back. we'll be right back

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