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wade was over turned on -- this assurances the link. we are talking about the radical and dangerous escalation that we have seen from antiabortion activists and how the resistance is preparing to do battle in this new terrain. you probably have been subject to a whole host of antiabortion lies and disinformation without enough in knowing it. it is time to do some myth busting. velshi starts now. ♪ ♪ ♪ good morning to you. it is saturday may the 7th. i'm ali velshi. in case the weekend left you confuse, we want to come from some stuff. roe v. wade has not yet been overturned. abortion remains a legal right across the country, theoretically. the week on monday night, a draft supreme court opinion would overturn roe v. wade

offered an opinion and the confusion that will come if it gets rid of an overwhelming right that has shaped and guided american life for 50 years. this is not the courts final opinion. we will have to wait several weeks to find out the courts actual ruling. it is a outcome that could be anticipated. if however, roe is overturned as expected, 26 states as you can see on your screen is poised to ban abortion. this is not mean that the 26 states will have the same set of laws governing how residents can or cannot access abortion, instead, there will be a confusing patchwork of different bans and restrictions that will change from state to state. each of these 26 states already have their own set of laws in the books. there are many, and this is the reason for that. take a look at the graphs of the antiabortion laws that have gone into place between 2010 and 2021. take note of the two big spikes

that have happened in a decade. first in 2011 and then in 2021. those are the two years when states enacted the highest number of anti abortion laws in the post roe era. those two years correspond to the republican party when they grabbed hold of power first in congress, then across state legislatures, and then on the supreme court. in 2010, the tea party move the republican party to control the house of representatives during the midterm elections. republican lawmakers also rode the wave to keep victories in state races, gaining controls of government governorships and state legislators. this paved the way for republicans and come conservative states across the country to act a then record of new abortion restrictions in 2011. those new laws included abortion bans after the 20th week of pregnancy and medically unnecessary requirements like a 72-hour waiting period and mandated ultrasounds.

in a decade that followed, those laws proliferated. they became more extreme and more burdensome. those 20-week abortion bans evolved into 15-week abortion bans like the 2018 mississippi law that is now at the center of the supreme court case that we have been talking about, and the eventual near total abortion bans that have vigilante provisions in them. there was one that went to effect in texas last year. the barrage of anti abortion laws was by design. the laws were designed and written to provoke legal challenges with the intent of getting the case to the supreme court, which republicans hoped would be composed of majority conservative judges. that day has come. it came at the end of 2020 when the third supreme court nominee, barrack, was confirmed, shifting the balance of power to a 63 ultra conservative majority. that is where we are today. at the precipice of a dangerous

new era for women's reproductive health and bodily autonomy. conservative states remain emboldened by the cloak political climate. they continue to pass more and more extreme laws. on thursday, the tennessee governor, bill lee, signed a law that criminalized the distribution of abortion pills via telehealth or mail. the same day the louisiana republican advanced a measure that would make abortion a crime of murder. meanwhile, other states are becoming more creative in the cruelty and are already testing the limits of abortion rights and state authority. in march, missouri produced the first of its kind law that would make it legal for residents -- i'm sorry, make it illegal for residents of the state of missouri to cross state lines to get on abortion. on monday morning, hours before political justice samuel released the lead, detailed how

the republican party is already discussing plans for a federal ban on abortion that would be implemented across all 50 states. a national ban on abortion is a pipe dream for now, since it would require republicans to take control of the house, the senate, and the white house, and have a filibuster proof majority in the senate. even the republicans have long said that the effort to overturn roe was an effort to give back power to the states to give them the power to make laws about abortion, they will push the issue as far as they can. joining me now is robin, operations director of the west alabama women's center. it is a representative center and one of the few abortion clinics left in the state. she outlines the current reality of reproductive health rights in her new hand a book for post row america and another book called the end of roe v. wade. robin, you have seen this coming. you experienced what the restrictions are going to look like. you operate an abortion clinic

that is left in alabama. how have things developed in the last week, but really, you've seen changes over the last years since what happened in texas had an implication for you? >> what happens in the gulf is this is the area that has the fewest successful abortion clinics. -- you need to come to the clinic more than once and wave between 24 and 48 hours to get into the clinic. once texas passed the total abortion ban, we saw texans flood the state around there and they started getting abortions. what happens is it creates a ripple effect. it pushes its way further across the country. with in, i'm basically, since january 2022, we have seen the load increased by 50%. we used to have a handful of people from mississippi.

now, we are up to 25% out of state residents. we are seeing mississippi, but also louisiana patients who have been displaced by texas. we are seeing texas patients who cannot get in any quicker anywhere closer to them. last week, we had our first oklahoma patient. oklahoma has now banned abortion as well. >> you cowrote something with aaliyah torres on monday. you said whichever way that they rule, alabama will always have abortion. it is a matter of whether it will be legal and safe or less frequent and clandestine without medical supervision. if it is a lot, or let's hope that the state is ready to face the facts that they will have on the health care system. at that point, it really will be a matter of life or death. we have a lot of the discussions about abortions and whether it should be allowed or if this is not affecting the health of the woman. you said this will not just jeopardize the health of women.

>> it will jeopardize the house of anyone capable of becoming pregnant. i'm not just talking about people who are having unwanted or unplanned pregnancies. one abortion is completely illegal, we will see that people who are having unwanted pregnancies but it is threatened by some shape or form because they are having bleeding or an issue with drugs and they just do not have the prenatal care or the preventative care that they need in order to have a healthy pregnancy to start with. and those who are going to be targeted because they are black, brown, poor, cannot access their own at hospitals, when they commit to seek help they are going to be suspected of trying to terminate their own pregnancy. every person who is capable of becoming pregnant and does not successfully have a full term birth, that is a person who could be questioned and asked if they did something to end the pregnancy.

for the people who are the most marginalized and surveyed, they are going to end up in jail. out of fear of avoiding that, they will not get any health care whatsoever. there is no way that this cannot hand in harm. >> you do most of your work in alabama but people like you are entirely familiar with what the landscape is around you. you just described what your clinic sees as a result of that. let's talk about florida. yesterday, you tweeted, if you know how close we are to lose in florida, you will understand just why we are so in trouble here in the gulf. florida has passed a 15-week ban. it is not taking effect. clinics are able to provide abortions. tell me why florida worries you so much? >> florida has been the only state in the south that has actually had a state constitutional right to an abortion. they were decided by the state supreme courts. it has always been in effect. over the last few years, many of the justices that were on the supreme court have been

replaced and replaced with republican justices. because of that, we have seen things that have passed in florida that would be challenged because of the state right. they have not been charged at all. ngwe saw a parental notification band that happened and people decided that rather than risk letting the supreme court decide on that they let it go into effect. i expect to see the same thing happened with the 15-week ban that florida will be the only place where you can get on abortion for a period of time. this will be in the first trimester. people will be afraid to challenge the law. if they do challenge the law, they know that they are at risk of finding out that the state supreme court will say there is no legal right to an abortion. now we have the supreme court in the u.s. that says the same. the state can go ahead and pass the total ban. >> robin, thank you for sharing a little bit of what you know about this. i recommend that if you will want to know more about the detail you have you have two great books about this very

situation in which we find ourselves. the end of roe v. wade and the handbook of the post bro america. she's the director of the west alabama women center and the author of these two important books. joining now is the president of reproductive rights. an organization dedicated to defending reproductive rights. the center of reproductive rights also represents the jackson women health organization which is the lone abortion clinic in mississippi. it is the one that is at the center of the current case on abortion. nancy, thank you for being with us. you want to carry on this conversation about what it looks like after this expected to station were to come, assuming that the draft is representative of what they will do, as you expect to be the case. we are going to see a vote on the senate about abortion rights. they are slim to no chance of that bill passing.

there is chance of some bill getting two republican votes but that may not be enough to do the job. is this symbolic? it is important that it gets pursued in congress of it no chance happening? it's very important that the vote on the women's health protection act will be happening on wednesday. it is important for every senator to be on the record about whether they are going to protect the rights to access abortion care throughout the nation. and the women's health protection act is a guarantee, it responds to the bands that we've been seeing, the response to the burdens homeless, and it says you have a right to access abortion services without bans, without these burdens, and providers have a right to provide those services. so, it's really critically important that the senate is taking this vote. people need to be on the record. senators do, so they can be

held accountable for whether or not they're going to let this chaos and harm and hurt we've just heard about from our last guest, whether they're going to let that happen. >> there's a lot of talk about what to do next. a lot of people are discussing it. but i want to ask you about the draft leaked opinion itself. it was written in february. we might be a month or two away, at least, from a decision by the supreme court, and in the case of planned parenthood versus casey, opinions did change between when they were britain and the few months thereafter. because of all the activity that is now taking place as a result of this leaked opinion, do you believe there's any chance that the supreme court does something other than what's that draft suggests? >> that is just a draft opinion. as chief justice roberts, when he said the day after it came out, that it was authentic, he also underscored that you cannot assume about where the justices are now in their deliberations. i think that's right.

so, we are really hoping that this very radical draft that we saw, that opinion does not become the courts final opinion. but of course, concerned in general with any opinion that's would uphold the 15-week ban. because any opinion upholding mississippi's 15-week ban will in effect have overturned roe v. wade, because it does guarantee that you cannot burden abortion up to fetal viability. so, we will wait to see what happens with the opinion. meanwhile, as you mentioned at the outset, mobilization is going on and in particular, a week from today, on may the 14th, there are going to be protests throughout the country. so, i really urge your guests to the liberal abortion website and see where they can fit into these protests that we have across the nation on the 14th. >> and you feel that would be influential? i ask you that, because in the wake of george floyd's death,

protests made a difference. they imposed changes to laws. they made courts think about things differently. they made jury think about things differently. do you think protests, in this instance, can change minds? >> absolutely. it's also so important. the vast majority of people in this country want access to abortion to be legal. and so we need to see that visible supports and it's fantastic that there's a day, a week from today, where people can go out and do that. it's fantastic that there will be this vote with the senators getting on the record on wednesday. it is really critically important. we need every single person to show their support in every way they can. >> nancy, thanks for joining us this morning. nancy is the president and ceo of the center for reproductive rights. we appreciate your time, as always. >> thank you. >> well, senate democrats have set to force republicans, a sense he just said, to go on record about the end of roe v. wade. less than a third of americans,

as we've been showing you on those graphics we've been putting up, once the landmark abortion rights case overturned, but we're about to find out how many republican senators would vote to save it. and going to speak with senator tammy baldwin, a lead co-sponsor to the bill in a few moments. at the top of the hour, i'll talk to rip ayanna pressley, about the tail that exposes the bad faith that characterizes abortion policy making. -- multi day trip in europe, we just got this new video of the first lady at a romanian public school, which is hosting ukrainian refugee students. first lady biden help the children with arts and crafts projects. she is set to meet with more ukrainian mothers and children tomorrow. up next, evacuations from the azovstal steel plant in the ruins city of mariupol are expected to continue in just about two hours. a member of mariupol's state council joins me live after a break. f mariupol's state council joins me live after break.

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getting a look at images reporting to show that ukrainian has taken aim at a russian health island off the coast in a drone strikes. satellite photos from friday, analyzed by the associated press, shows thick black smoke rising off of snake island, 20 miles off the coast of ukraine. we should note that msnbc news has not verified the images. potential strikes on snake island would be strategically important. they were drastically impact russia's ability to control the black sea. meanwhile, the efforts in mariupol continue as civilians continue to try to escape the violence in the region. officials on the ground say that they have begun, or will begin evacuations from the azovstal iron and steel plant in two hours. it is 10 am eastern today. late last night, the deputy prime minister said that 50 salute billions have been evacuated from the steel plant

on friday alone. she says the evacuations have been stalled because russia has repeatedly violated the cease-fire. between 200 civilians are remaining in the facility. the images are scant in mariupol. there is barely any internet. no western or ukrainian reporters are left there. these are the latest satellite images released yesterday showing how damaged the infrastructure is. as for those of fighting the resistance from mariupol, they vowed not to surrender. volodymyr zelenskyy maintains that mariupol will never fall. however, ukrainian officials are worried that russian forces could make a significant move or ramp up the taxation on the city on may 9th known as victory day. it is the soviet union's defeat of nazi germany and world war ii. joining me is maxime, a member of the city council in mariupol ukraine.

he is not there. i assume that most of the city council how are not able to be there. he is in western ukraine. maxine, thank you for talking to us. something very important is happening in mariupol right now. it is the last and, if you will, at the azovstal factory. we cannot get good information out of marion poll because there are no western or ukrainian journalist there. what information do you have? looking to about what is happening in mariupol? >> the situation is very terrible. with each day leads to a lot of suffering humanitarian catastrophe. from one side we have that bad situation with the people who are left that as of stealth. there are military men, and civilians. the russians are nonstop bombing them, using heavy artillery. from one side, putin says that

they want to be storming the azovstal plant. from another side, every day the media shows them directly shooting azovstal with all the weapons they have. all the soldiers and azovstal, from about one or two days ago, a friend of mine, a police man, died there. he wanted to leave mariupol when he could. he decided to fight. he died. there are a lot of brave men who stayed in the azovstal and did not let the russians take the city. >> i am sorry that you lost your friend, maksym. a lot of people have stayed behind. what is the condition of life of people who are not in the steel plant but remain in mariupol? it remains difficult for people who want to get out to get to

some more states safer to leave. >> it is terrible. the people who left mariupol are because they cannot go anywhere. the russians are not more letting the people go to the ukraine site. only four people who want to go to the russian side. anyway, they get them into the infiltration camp. some of them cannot leave the camp for about a month. there is no possibility to leave. in mariupol, they only have one work, it is to clean the rubble. the work is terrible. they destroyed big houses, they found a lot of dead bodies. now, it is warm in mariupol. it will be warmer.

there is a lot of rotten a corpse. it will be a humanitarian catastrophe because there is no water, no medication, and i think it will be a lot of the diseases and -- >> i want to ask you. how many people do you think have lost their lives in mariupol and what happens if the russians take control? will the evidence of the tests become freed up? >> i think it is about a minimum of 20,000 of the people who died in mariupol. it is the minimum. every day, people who are cleaning the rubble, they find another bodies and more bodies. a lot of bodies are left -- no one knows the real count.

from russians, we will never know how many people they killed in mariupol. bucha is a little drop in comparison with this situation in mariupol. not only law in mariupol's from russia and their collaboration with guns. that is the only law in mariupol. the people have no rights. they have no voice to get louder. >> maksym one day you and i will talk when we are in mariupol. we will keep talking about mariupol because they give you -- you are giving us information the world needs to. no he is a member of the city council in mariupol. he is currently exiled in the western part of ukraine. up next, the former president, petro poroshenko, demands that russia be a state sponsor of terror. he is standing by to talk to us

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states government is on its way to ukraine to help that country fight off the russian invasion. on friday, president biden announced another security package totaling 150 billion dollars, which will include artillery, munitions, radar apparatus, and other equipment. according to nbc news is count, the united states has committed approximately 3.8 billion dollars to ukraine since russia began this unprovoked war on february 24th. obviously, the money that joe biden is talking about is 150 million, not 150 billion. congress is still mulling over the presidents ask from last month for 33 billion dollars and eight, consisting of more defensive weapons in economic assistance. meanwhile, members of the international community are moving ahead with ideas on how to help rebuild ukraine after

this war ends. at a global donor conference this week in warsaw, poland, various nations and international agencies pledged six and a half billion dollars in support, and made calls for the implementation of a new iteration of the marshall plan, which was a u.s. sponsored programs assigned to rehabilitate the economies of war that a dozen european countries, primarily germany, though, after world war ii. joining me now is petro poroshenko. he's the former president of ukraine. he was the country's fifth president, and wasn't office just before president zelenskyy. president poroshenko, thank you for joining us this morning, good to see you again. >> good to see you, thank you. >> you agree with this idea of a martial plan for ukraine, in fact, you tweeted, quote, i remain convinced that ukraine needs a consolidated, long term, large scale martial plan to point oh that can help us overcome the terrible consequences of the war brought to ukraine by the russian invaders. together, we will win, and together, we will rebuild ukraine!

you can't do the marshall plan two point oh until this war is over, right? nobody is going to invest money and rebuild ukraine until this is resolved. how strongly do you feel this war will be resolved in ukraine's favor soon enough to be talking about rebuilding? >> first of all, thank you very much for your invitation. we surprise the world at all times. we surprise -- with our civility our stability. we surprised them by stopping u.s. troops, and we're talking at the marshall plan, just want to thank american congress, american president, and the american people, because the first time and making the peel as a president of ukraine in the year 2017, out of necessity, the marshall plan 2.0, in european power. and this is the, definitely the things which give us life and -- strong, motivate congress to

make sos possible to vote for the 33 billion dollar assistance, which president biden already present. we very much welcome 100 and $50 million, which was published now. because i've just returned from east of my country, of the position of it -- region, and we are really proud that the first american law -- has already appeared on the frontline, and they are extremely accurate. they are extremely efficient, and they definitely creates the new opportunities. this is the real game-changer. game-changer with the new american artillery, our personal carrier, definitely, we are waiting for the act and the missiles, definitely, we

are waiting for the j fighter, and we already proved that we have the best pilots, best operators, and we definitely stop putin. >> very interesting. everything you said is very interesting, but you just added, we're still waiting for the jets fighters. where do you believe you're getting jet fighters from, and if you gets jets, does that negate your request for a no-fly zone, which you don't seem to be getting? >> consider it in the first stage of the no-fly zone. we understand that this is a difficult -- to make an immediate decision for the no-fly zone. but nato, anti aircraft zone, but we have a great pilot, great operator in the flight zone, we at least want to cover the sky above the nuclear power station, above the civilian objects, and that would definitely be the the important thing. and please, include in the lens least act v anti aircraft

missiles and puts everything from -- two munition. the signing of the land lease act on the 9th of may that's would be very smart. gift on the putin victory day on a knife of may, and definitely, i think that we really do our best to make it a game-changer and change the character of the war. we definitely are waiting lend lease, and i call on all nations to follow the positive example of the united states. we are waiting absolutely similarity act from britain, from european union, from canada, from australia, and maybe from japan. but in this situation, definitely, that's will demonstrate the global solidarity with ukraine and

completes isolation of putin. putin moving very quickly to the status of north korea, and i think this is the first time after world war ii when russia do not celebrate the victory, but definitely, but the feet of russia in transforming of russia's not this, because they are now and that's the aggressor against ukraine against the rest of the world, and we don't allow them to do. that >> of course, the may 9th you are describing is victory day in russia. it's the equivalent of victory v. idai in the rest of the world, but v e day was may eighth, 11 pm, it was may 9th in russia. that's why there's some fear that something will happen in the days leading up to monday. petro poroshenko, good to see you, thank you for joining us. petro poroshenko is the former president of ukraine. the relevance there, by the way,

in 1945 force that russia overcame the nazis. that's what they celebrate on may 9th. you'll remember that the soviet union lost more forces and civilians in world war ii than any other country. 27 million people. the senate is set to vote on a bill to codify abortion protections next week. as it stands, democrats do not have the votes to get it passed a republican filibuster, but they may be another reason they want to hold that vote. i'm going to talk strategy with two cosponsors of the women's health protection act, congressman i anna pressley in massachusetts, and senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin. tammy baldwin of wisconsin ♪ so different and so new ♪ ♪ was like any other... ♪

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the velshi banned book club tomorrow. we are featuring the new york times bestseller, white fragility, by robbyn deangelo. after two decades of leading diversity and anti-bias workshops and straining, robin

deangelo bands white fertility to help white americans see the racist structures embedded within american society. while many heralded -- many said the boat did little to promote racial dusters. we're going to take into that controversy with the author tomorrow. the spending of time to email your comments, reactions, and questions with the author at my story at velshi.com. if you're a fast reader you could read it today. thank you to those who've already written in. i want to let you in on the little secret, the anti-abortion movement is lying to you. the stream of nefarious medical misinformation seemingly has no end. coming up next, the velshi edition of miss buffets on the antiabortion rule. miss buffets on the antiabortion rule. ee you there. ♪ ringcentral ♪

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road, fundamental freedoms follow. and when fundamental freedoms collapse, so does democracy. and when democracy is extinguished at as we see happening here so, it's life itself. we must not stand by as the people of ukraine and their freedom parish, as they stay in the streets of this country, ukrainian. glory to ukraine. in 2009, dr. george taylor, a kansas abortion provider, was

assassinated by an antiabortion extremists while attending church. he was one of the few physicians who performed abortions after 20 weeks, or in the later portion of the second trimester. after his death, his friend and mentees, doctor leigh roy car heart, agreed to carry on his legacy, continue to provide the service to women who desperately needed it. one state over, in the briscoe. the job came with a lot of responsibility and a dramatic increase of risk. doctor carr heart became the central focus of the anti-abortion movement. he faced the fear of threats and violence and theft from the same violent fringe of the movement that had killed doctor tillar. also, like his late friend, dr. car heart was targeted by antiabortion officials wielding the power of the state government. they did so by proposing the so called fetal pain prevention act, they outlawed most abortions after 20 weeks of pregnancy based on the premise that the fetus might feel pain during the procedure. it was the first bill of its

kind to a strict abortions based on so called fetal pain. there were some physicians that testified during peak hearings on the bill that they believe the fetus is able to feel pain at 20 weeks. but the idea of fetal pain at this's widely disputed in medical communities. there's no evidence to demonstrate its existence. at the time, the american college of obstetricians and gynecologists said, quote, no legitimate scientific information that supports the statement that a fetus experiences pain. but that didn't matter front to nebraska lawmakers. they pass the bill anyway, which forced doctor leigh who are car hard to cross state lines to perform these later abortions, and it triggered nearly identical bills across the country that used the word pain and protection. now, abortionists in the credibly common procedure. one and four women in the united states will have an abortion by the age of 45. that's according to the -- institute. chances are, you probably know someone who has had an abortion. yet, the more we think about, it or the more we think we know

about abortion, it's steep and stigma, misinformation, and outright lies told by opponents of abortion rights. in fact, for decades, the anti-abortion movement has used medically false and misleading language to pass legislation that regulates a woman's body and takes away a woman's right to choose. nebraska and the so called fetal pain concept or not the first nor the last to mislead in the abortion debate. the anti-abortion movement is built on myths and miss truth. those nebraska lawmakers were emboldened by a 2007 supreme court decision upholding a ban on what abortion opponents called partial birth abortions. partial birth, in the context of abortion, sounds proof some and cruel. and that's the intent. it's not a scientific term, it's a political one. it's a medically misleading name for a specific type of procedure that was preferred by doctors when an abortion was needed later in pregnancy. it was used in just 0.2% of all

abortions in the year 2000, also, according to ghouta mock. but the term was used by the antiabortion ground to garner opposition to all abortions. according to npr, quote, after a position presented a paper in the conference of the national abortion federation, describing the procedure, the national right to life committee commissioned drawings to illustrate those reports, and published them in booklet form as well as placing them as paid advertisements in newspapers to build public opposition. in an interview with a new republic magazine in 1996, the end are elsie's johnson explained that the term was thought of in hopes of as the public learned would a partial birth abortion is, they might also learn something about other abortion methods, and that this would foster a growing opposition to abortion. you hear that? they said the quiet part out loud. a term you're probably familiar with because it's been used recently in legislation that

restrict access to abortion it's fetal heartbeat. states like texas and georgia want the public to believe that most abortions should be banned after just six weeks of gestation, because that's when a heartbeat is detected. wrong again. medical and reproductive experts say an embryo does not even have a developed heart at that stage, let alone a heartbeat. if that's the case, what is that sound that's picked up by the ultrasound? well, doctor niche of irma, physician who provides abortion services and the fellow of the american college of obstetricians and gynecologists, explains to the texas tribune quote, when i used the stethoscope to listen to a patient's heart, the sound that i hear, that's typical -- you here is the heartbeat that's created by the opening and the closing of the cardiac valves. in six weeks of gestation, those valves don't exist. those valves don't exists. the flickering we see on the ultrasound, super early into

the development of the pregnancy, is actually electric activity, the sound we hear at that point is actually manufactured by the ultrasound machine. kind of like those bogus antiabortion arguments, manufactured by most on the religious and political right. read almost any abortion law, and you will find lies and medical misinformation like this. and here's why. because if they told everyone what they actually want to do and why, they would probably lose the argument. these lies are the tools of bad faith actors, people who want to go troll women and remove their bodily autonomy, but they know that that's a losing battle. so, they lie. they will tell you that they are forced medically ultrasounds are designed to make the women know what she's doing when she ends a pregnancy, but 60% of women who get abortions already have at least one child at home, according to the cdc. they will tell you there mandatory waiting periods are to give women time to think about that choice, but the truth is, they want to do everything they can to make it harder, more inconvenient for a

woman to make that choice. they will tell you that all of their medically irrelevant red tape regulations targeting only abortion clinics are to protect women, but they're actually designed to make it too burdensome and too costly to keep the doors of those clinics open. and they will tell you that they want to criminalize women and doctors because they want to protect unborn babies in a country with the worst maternal mortality rate in the entire developed world. with a child poverty rate nearly twice as high as the average of the rest of the entire developed world, and we're more and five and a half million children are don't have health coverage, all according to health research agencies. the anti-abortion movement is lying to you. they do not want to help women, they do not want to help babies, they want to see half the population of this country back 50 years. and the first step towards stopping this slide towards tyranny is to actually call out the lies. tyranny is to actually call ou the lies

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this morning, and as you know, the senate is set to vote on wednesday on a bill that would make roe v. wade, or at least, abortion rights, the law of the land. the women's health protection act, a 2022, would lock in abortion rights before the supreme court overturns them, making abortion legal nationally and overruling legislation already passed by some states to restrict or

completely banned the procedure. but the democratic push is expected to fail to meet the 60 vote threshold required to overcome a republican filibuster. democrats are pushing ahead anyway, perhaps, at least in part, to force every minute of the senate to go on record on this issue, which makes sense. when you consider the numbers. we've been showing you pulls all morning. this is a very recent one. a washington post abc news post conducted last week finds the majority of americans agree with the democrats here. 54% do not want this roe v. wade overturned. the republican position is shared by fewer than one third of americans. joining me this morning's democratic senator tammy baldwin of wisconsin. she's the senate co-sponsor of the women's health protection act of 2022. she's also wisconsin's first women to serve in the united states senate. senator, good to see you again. thank you for joining us this morning. >> good morning. >> let's ask, let me ask you about this. this conversation about the

bill that you are co-sponsor of is not likely to prevail in the senate because of the filibuster, and that's something were to change. why do it, then? >> well, first of all, there is a change of circumstance since the last time the senate entertained the bill. given the leak of the draft opinion. but that said, i do believe that the american people need to know where their senator stands, where their senators stands on this issue. and they need to take that information and bring that to the pulse this fall. >> let's talk about the filibuster. there's all sorts of reasons, in the last year or so, to discuss overcoming the filibuster for important matters, even if people don't want to overturn it for some other matters, but the voting rights are one of them. and there are people who argue that this is one of them. if it's possible, if there were to be an agreement to overcome the filibuster, that you would

get enough votes for this bill to pass it? >> absolutely. and i do think that this is the type of weighty matter that we should use to reform or suspend or eliminates the filibuster. and i would hope that's, given the fact that the stakes here are that's tens of millions of women will lose the fundamental right, their freedom to control her own body, her own health care, and her own family. and that is so fundamental. you were talking earlier about setting women back 50 years. in wisconsin, the law that we have on the books was passed in 1849. that's in wisconsin, will set us back to the 1800s. women's wisconsin will have fewer rights than their mothers

and their grandmothers. so, this is that type of fundamental question where we should suspend or reform or eliminate the filibuster in order to pass the women's health protection act. >> now, you've got at least real couple of republicans who, in some fashion, have suggested that they would not support the overturning of roe v. wade, but susan collins and lisa murkowski have proposed a different bill. given that you're a cope sponsor of this bill, i remember conversations between you and them oath whether or not there something you can all agree to? >> so we have to look at the substance of their bill. they are built us not actually caught a fire roe v. wade, it includes, within its, all the exceptions that you have been discussing, that have been passed by the states or at least most of them, and so it doesn't get us back to that landmark case in 1973, roe v. wade. the measure that i've

introduced with senator blumenthal, that women's health protection act, not only codify's roe v. wade, but it makes it clear that states cannot whistle away roe v. wade through these measures that we've seen hundreds of in states across the country. >> what's your sense of how to convince people like them or others to do something about this now, legislatively? and what do you think the durability is of the legislative solution? some people say, wouldn't that just be overturned if republicans take over the senate, or won't the supreme court that's made of the way it is now simply overturned whatever you pass? so in terms of persuasion, i think we have to open our eyes to what is likely to happen across america, if the supreme court does as the draft opinion suggests it will. it is an out right overturning

of roe v. wade and casey. beyond that, where might they go based on the same reasoning, birth control, contraception, this is a clear next step. beyond that, think about the young team that is the victim of incest or has been raped. our failure to make sure that she is able to make a choice about whether to carry a pregnancy to term or not. what about the health of the mother. as you are talking about later term abortions, they are illegal under roe v. wade except to save the health and life of the mother. we are placing women in great jeopardy. i hope that my colleagues really think this through. we should not let the supreme court legislate from the bench and overturn 50 years of