this country. when i heard from them, it was fear and disbelief. >> [inaudible] i didn't think this will become a reality, ever. -- now you see right being overturned time and again, it different states, i don't estates right issue, either. i think we should be a federal law. >> sorry, guys. having a bit of a sound problem there. but i think you get the point. that's a fight, that's young woman was talking about is going to be long, it's going to be tough, we're talking at the fact that something needs to be done in this country. legislation needs to be had to protect the rights of women, and that is what we want to talk about this hour. this fight that is happening across the country. it's happening in the corridors of power, of both democrats and congress and the president right now considering their options, and whether there is everything that they could do once this decision that becomes official.

the fight is going to be state to state. already, 26 states, already with trigger laws that will outlaw abortion the moment that supreme court decision is released, there preparing to act. and prepare for this fight to get ugly. louisiana considering a bill that without classify abortion as a homicide. the stakes could not be higher. as the official decision on roe v. wade expected about a month or so, so we want to get right through this hour. we start in houston, texas, where protests are going on by texas governor tory will candidate beto o'rourke, who nbc spoke to just a short while ago. >> this is what the majority of us feel so strongly about. we want our rights protected. we don't want to be targeted, we don't want to be the leader in an epidemic of maternal mortality that is three times as deadline for black women in the state of texas. we want to focus on things like greater public schools, having the back for teachers, make sure we expand medicaid so more people can see a doctor, and protecting the rights to choose. >> and lays is joining us now from texas. talk to me, liz. how are folks on the ground

there responding in force to the message that better was putting out there? >> well, this is certainly a motivating topic for a lot of people. the campaign manager for beto o'rourke tells me that this is the most volunteer sign of safe had since the launch of their campaign. you can see him behind me, about 5000 protesters came out today for this rally, plans just three days ago. it's well over maybe an hour, and folks are sticking around to talk to beto, to sign up to volunteer, so it's clear that this is a big point in this campaign. he actually shifted the focus of his campaign since that draft came out with leak earlier this week, and it's something he and many other democrats here hope will galvanize voters before those midterm elections. >> i'm a woman. it's just important to make decisions based on our bodies. i don't think there should be men making the choices for what a woman to decide to do. >> i was protesting this you

know, back in the 90s and my parents generation were protesting back in the 70s, and here we are, with a new generation. i do not think we were gonna have to do this. >> and talking to these protesters, as you mentioned before, disbelief is the word i keep hearing time and time again, and we're talking about people out here 12 years old, not able to vote yet, and just passionate about women's rights and the change they are seeing in their state and willing to go out and work for it. yasmin? >> liz, thank you, appreciate. it's so, from texas, we want to go back up to chicago, where protests is also happening there. protests are happening across the country since this draft was leaked. that's where we find nbc's justin standing there. things are little bit more lively behind you last time think spoke, seems like things are starting to wind down a bit. tell me what you are hearing from folks on the grounds there. >> yes, so, the way this worked

here, there are often rallies here in downtown chicago at federal plaza, it's a central meeting place for a lot of people gathered to speak their minds on a variety of issues on any given day, but today with people in support of abortion rights. and there were hundreds of them here and yasmin, they had the governor of illinois, jamie crister among the speakers on the podium. so as a gathered here at the closet, there were hundreds of them, and then they took to the streets and they were marching through downtown chicago in an area called the loop, for those unfamiliar, central business district in chicago. so, there are four cars moving through there right now, you can imagine traffic would've been backed up, and they might still be on the move. but they're beyond where we can see where we are at when they were gathering a short time ago. most of them in favor of abortion rights, but there were also a small group of protesters across the street who are against abortion rights, so we spoke with both sides, and here's what brought people out to speak their minds today. >> there have been attacks on clinics in this area in the last year. there have been people bashing

down the windows and there are always people who show up at these rallies to show us that even if we think they're safe, they're going to be fighting, and they're waiting for any chance they could get to slip in there and take our rights away. >> i know they talked about rape and everything, but if you look at the statistics of that, that's low. so people are doing it out of selfish reasons. >> and again, that's going on here in chicago and illinois, a state that has no law on the books that is very much supporting the right to abortion, it's called the reproductive health act, and it's something that codify support for abortion in illinois, but it still brought a lot of people to speak their minds. >> hey, jesse. let's talk about these trigger. loss i know in illinois has got rid of the so-called trigger loss, but they're surrounded by a lot of states that have these trigger laws in place. essentially, illinois could become a safe harbor zone for a lot of women seeking out abortion services if, in fact,

this decision comes down the way we expected to. >> right, and actually, the governor here in illinois told me his predecessor, a republican governor, he said under that governor's administration, trigger laws here in illinois went away, and if you look at illinois as a place that could have restrictions on abortion, if roe is overturned, if that was taken off the books, but if we want to show you a map of the country, specifically, the midwest and states surrounding illinois. so, it has several border state, and according to an analysis to nbc news has done from the center of reproductive rights, if you look at the map and what could be next, if roe is overturned. so, indiana could have restrictions. iowa, would be protected. kentucky, would be. band wisconsin, restricted, that's according to analysis for the rest under of reproductive rights into nation. so, illinois borders all of the states i just mentioned. so, the governor says they're already working with clinics here in illinois, especially around the borders of the state to be prepared for the potential of an influx of women

looking to get a legal safe abortion here in this state, if it becomes outlawed or restricted in other parts of the country. governor says they have people and expect people coming from as far away as texas to have an abortion here. so they are expecting that they may need to be providing more support, and that would include having a place for people to go and having a place to say as well,. guess >> man that's it for those women have texas, if they even have the means to get there, which is also part of this entire issue, as we'll talk more about throughout the hour. jesse kershaw, thank you so much. we're going to try this again,. folks at the top of the hour, i mentioned the people i spoke to at the supreme court this week. we had some audio issues. we're going to try it again. let's listen. >> did you ever think this would happen? did you ever think this will become a reality? >> never. never, i assumed it was over in the 90th. now it's being overturned time and again in different states, i don't think this is a states rights issue either. i think there should be a federal law to get women safe.

>> you found a little helpless to me. >> yeah, i think i feel that. way i think it feels that these decisions are out of our hands, which is bananas because the large majority of american people in poll after poll are supportive of a woman's right to choose. and the fact that we used people who were appointed to the courts by presidents who were not popularly elected and are not speaking for the american people are going to make decisions that impact our lives for decades and decades. >> why did you want to come out and protest this? >> i came out because as a young woman, i see my rights slowly disappearing, and i know that this country stands for the protection of all people. and right now, our country is in direct conflict with its foundation, and that is not okay. >> i am here because -- i literally painted this right

here, just like it says, i would rather go to a protest thank go to a funeral. when there is a safe and effective procedure, sorry, when there is a safe and affected for seizure for women, there's no reason for them to get back alley abortions. >> at agency at the most fundamental level is a fundamental right -- reproductive justice doesn't only appeared women, appears to queer people, it matters to identities that are marginalized. and so we're here because we know that the supreme court is not going to fight for us. so we have to fight for ourselves. >> so, it half worked. with me now are two women from organizations that are helping fight for abortion rights. aclu attorney and deputy director of the aclu reproductive freedom project, and shawl thomas, cofounder of ultraviolet, a group that drives feminist cultural and political change. welcome ladies, thank you for joining us on this important our ahead. i'm going to start with you on this.

one i know the aclu has been kind of training for something like this for a day like this. expecting this was going to come down, but especially after hearing arguments initially levels, i believe, back in december? late november, early december. we knew this was in the pipeline. so, what comes next for the aclu, now that this may become a reality, the overturning of roe? >> yeah, thanks for so much for having. me to make very clear at the start, this is just a draft opinion. we hope this is not the actual decision that we have swept in the few weeks, but if it is, it will have devastating consequences. people who are in the most marginalized communities will suffer the greatest, but we will be prepared to fight back. we will be thinking of all options, all options are on the table, including looking at state courts and state constitutions. but i hear things are going to get a lot worse before they get better. >> i want you to expand on a little bit of fighting back. we've heard a lot of this type

of verbiage. i heard it from beto o'rourke. the majority -- does not agree with -- how are you going to do it, how are you going to make it has happened, when you have predominantly republican legislature? you say you're going to fight back. there are protesters out there saying legislation this to happen. schumer's going to hold a vote in the senate, they don't have the votes to do it. what does fighting back actually look like? and then, talks about the state constitutions, how there may be more protection of abortion rights in state constitutions in our own federal constitution? >> so, a couple of things. you are right in that is going to be an uphill battle, in part because the voting rights restrictions that have been placed on peoples votes in this country. the vast majority of people in america support the right to abortion, when the voting rights act has been watered down and when votes have been gerrymandered, it's very hard to vote for people who reflect your values. so, that is an issue. but we can hold our politicians

accountable. we should ask them to not only support abortion rights, but to make it a priority. we should ask them to path the women's health protection act, contact your state and local and all of your leaders to say that this is important to you. the state constitution piece of, it's i think florida is a perfect example. for decades, florida's constitution has protect abortion rights greater than the federal constitution. and so even if roe is overturned, that could be a place for us to fight in the state constitution so example, florida just passed a ban on abortions in 15 weeks of pregnancy. today, that's unconstitutional under the federal constitution, it's also unconstitutional under the state constitution. so, looking to places like that is going to be incredibly important. i believe the people that live in the state should women should have the access to service, that could be a reflection in that state, as well. and how that could be a

complicated issue when we look at the restrictive measures that are put in place talk about your organization, china. >> ultraviolet has been out in the street since the day after the the leaked decision. obviously i have elections on my mind. there were tens of thousands of people in the streets, with less than 12 hours notice on tuesday because the impact of this decision, to be the final decision, is so profound and so devastating, and work continuing to organize together going forward and bigger ways. but people recognizes the situation, where we're facing is devastating. it's also a reckoning. there is a window of opportunity right now to shape the way senators, governors, corporate ceos are responding.

pushing them to use their leverage. stop this attack on our rights, our bodies we're -- senator collins, senator murkowski. prove the mean it when they say they're pro-choice. how about a filibuster if necessary. so, yes we're in a window right now, in which the public is alarmed and outrage. we also need supreme court justices to consider the implications before their final decision. they know the polls, they know 70% of americans oppose criminalizing people for having abortions. they do need to see us and hear from us, that we're not gonna do except this attack on our rights, our lives, antibodies. >> sorry go ahead, keep going. >> we also know that these judges, alina, kavanaugh in particular they were put on the court for this purpose. right? we are preparing for the outcome that is very close to the draft decision.

we do think that some people feel powerless right now because republicans have built wet appears to be an answer insurmountable machine to impose minority rule. it'll take a lot of work and time to get to the place that we need to be. where we're seeing more than anything we're right now is outrage. >> let me ask you this, shauna, have you connected with colin cedric how ski on this? i'm gonna be speaking with jennifer -- later on in this show that there needs to be a carve out for a filibuster, especially if you have people like murkowski and collins that are willing to testify, that they field it kavanaugh, or if the lie to them -- this precedent when it comes to. in fact, when the decision comes down, if it comes down the way they expected to, will be the opposite of that? >> so, we have members, organizations with their

constituents in alaska, to fulfill their prominence, to recognize their legacy in this moment and to do their duty. we hope they listen. not indicating that they will, right now? >> shauna thomas, brigitte emory, we can talk about this all our, but of course we've got a lot more to get into. we appreciate the work that you're both doing. all right our special live to after roe continuing ahead, an abortion provider that has a very personal story that highlights a fear after what might happen when a abortion becomes illegal in your state. plus there's a growing pressure in congress to do something meaningful, to protect the rights, we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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know what it's like. >> they don't know what it's like. >> i'm terrified. i'm terrified for your daughters, for their friends, for everyone's daughters. no one should have to go through what i did. >> renee chilean, a woman who underwent an illegal abortion before row at the age of 15 on the show left in a month ago. walking through the terrifying prospect of a post roe america interferes of being cut off from the procedure she has

devoted her life to provide. and that's aspect now a looming reality. following this week of the leak of a supreme court draft agreement to overturn the 1973 decision, potentially sending millions of women back to that dark time, a time of illegal, unsanitary, dangerous backdoor operations, women risking their lives, like renee, in an effort to end their unwanted pregnancies. or, be forced to carry them to term. renee chilean, a director of norfolk planning center is joining me that once again. so great to talk to you once again. thank you so much for joining us. >> thank you, yasmin. >> give me first, your reaction when this was leaked. >> i wasn't surprised. this is what i've been expecting. ten minutes of heartbreak, and

then i got angry, and decided to fight back. which, the question you asked the last people that you guessed, i admire. it's, how do we fight back? but we're fighting back. it has given us two months extra to organize in public. in michigan, for example, people, we have a ballots and they should have coming up, and people started coming out of the woodwork to sign up to sign petitions, to get decisions for our reproductive freedoms and the referendum, and they're working on them now so that we get it on the ballot, and they're going to work to get the vote outs to make michigan a protected states in our state constitution, to protect reproductive rights and abortion rights. and that's what we need to do. no court can take it away from us. >> do you expect the efforts

reporting in to be successful, considering the current political atmosphere that we are in? if you're looking at the federal mandate, obviously, the federal legislative act? that doesn't seem like something it's going to happen in the near future, because the votes are just not there. i know you're addressing things that a state level. but are -- you >> yes. >> do you feel confident? are you hopeful it would work? >> i'm hopeful it's going to work in michigan, and that will be a safe state. i'm heartbroken about the rest of the country, because we're going to see, as soon as that the second is handed down, a public health crisis like we have never seen before. there will be a chill of abortion rights, a chill of absence, immediately, and most states, half the country. >> i want to remind folks of your story, because we played a little bit of it, but i want to read for them your op-ed for vice that you did.

you said, this you rupture the membranes are embryonic sack, and repack my readers with dogs. i was there are never going to go into labor this time. and after 20 for the 38 hours, they were going to -- i never know who did my abortion. i'm guessing some sort of medical training, but probably not -- i was lucky i didn't die. i was lucky i was not infertile. how worried are you, that this is going to be the future of other women? another young girl, in this case? >> i'm very worried. i think we had hoped that mail-in medication abortion through the mail, telemedicine, but some states bands that. that pregnant people are going to have to drive to a safe state to even have abortion pills mailed to them. for those economically disadvantaged women of color, people are not going to be able to travel long distances, and

some will, and certainly, funds are raising money now to help those pregnant people get to a safe state, but i don't know how long funding can last and how long we can continue to raise those kinds of funds. right now, people are donating, and are very active. but how long can that go on? and in most fifth disadvantaged people in this country will be the ones most affected. >> renee chilean, thank you once again. good to talk to you. all right, still ahead, everybody. the turning pro is not a country -- as we go to break, people have been hitting the streets every day since the news broke, and they say they want to keep fighting. more ahead. >> i've been at this were over 15 years, fighting because we believe -- to re-when a right that's hours, and how their day take this away?

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what our country stands for, we believe in what we believe. this is the place where it all happens. when are you most concerned about hearing? about the decision that came down from the supreme court? or that would potentially come down? >> having two children i actually didn't used to feel, confirm that i was pro-choice. after having two children myself, i believe it's a woman's choice. i'm concerned people are gonna have to find their own way to do that. >> why did having children make you recognize where you stand? >> because your body becomes somebody else's space. you have to give it everything over to another person. that's the choice that only another person should be able to make. >> on this mother's day's weekend, a mother i talked to

on the supreme court about the fight ahead and wet it will teach her children -- it's important to look at how we got here. the landmark decision that protected the very rights that the supreme court is poised to take away. >> 1970, two lawyers, challenging texas laws banning abortion except when needed to save the woman's life. the women in the case was norm majority, under the pseudonym jane roe, put it against dallas county district attorney henry raid. arguing that the texas law was unconstitutional, and that women had the right to choose an abortion. ruling in their favor, leading them to appeal to the highest court in the land, the u.s. supreme court. the u.s. supreme court would hear the case twice, before presenting its decision in january of 1973. in a 7 to 2 ruling, the

majority found in favor of jane roe. striking down many state and federal abortion laws and saying the due process clause of the 14th amendment of the constitution guarantees a right to privacy that protects a woman's right to choose. but the majority opinion, written by justice harry blackmon, did not make that right absolute. the court fashioned the trimester framework to balance the government's interest in protecting the life of the mother, and what's blackmon route to refer to as prenatal life. the rule meant that during the first trimester, the abortion decision was left to the woman and her doctor. after that point state registrations could be factored into -- it met with decades of disagreement. over the years as the makeup of the supreme court changed, opinions about how roe should, or should not be applied, also changed. in 1919 to, the court heard

planned parenthood versus casey p out of pennsylvania. and adjusted the trimester framework from the 70s. a plurality of the justices affirmed a woman's right to abortion, but adopted a new standard based on an fetuses ability to survive outside of the womb. allowing states to put restrictions during the first trimester. >> the leak of the supreme ports draft opinion has brought us to a new chapter of this historic fight. that's where we take this conversation next, with this jarring site outside the supreme court, non scalable fences surrounding the area. one week ago visitors could walk freely, as they've done for many years. the fences were installed over fears that protests over abortion rights could spill into violence. it's also a reminder of the ideological distance between

the courts and the american public today. confidence in the port, has fallen to a shocking 14%. our next guest says it will only get worse as the court teeters into, as she puts it, religious tyranny. with two disgust me now is jennifer -- washington post columnist. i want to get into your piece, talking about this is not culture wars, this is in fact religious tyranny. this is not about the culture, this is about appropriating state power to enforce theoretically -- dismissed as culture or inevitably boiled down to whether the government will diminish individual rights, example rape victims access to abortion, and supplant a decision to the matter decision that individuals jealously guard. expand on that, jennifer? >> thanks for having me, listen,

we've all gotten into the habit of getting into the term cultural wars. it makes it sound frivolous. as we're talking about hemlines, or fashions, or movie ratings. what we're really talking about is power. who has power over a woman's body? there is only one way that the state can regulate that. that is by controlling a woman's body. by holding her a pregnancy that she does not want. that kind of persuasive power. that kind of tyrannical power, it's not something that free people give to the government. they recognize that there are some decisions that are so personal, there's some intimate that the government should never be in the position of taking over that decision-making. in particular, because women have this burden or this power, it becomes a barrier to women's participation in full society. we've seen, economically, that women do much better when

they're given a right to choose. even if they later have children, according to their own plan or their own life decision making. with the court has done here is take us back to a time when women didn't have these rights. when their participation in the economy was very slight, when they weren't in the military. when many of them didn't even, weren't even allowed to have credit in their own name. it has taken us back to a time when women are in essence, treated like children time they don't know what's best for them, they don't get to make the decision. a state gets to make the decision. and so when they talk about sending it back to the states, where they talk about democracy -- no, they talk about taking it away from the individual. imagine if a man was told, i'm sorry you are a good kidney match for your work colleague. we're gonna have to take over your body, strap you down, you're gonna have to be immobilized for maybe nine months or so, and you're gonna have to give your kidney to the

sky. what person would think that's appropriate? we have something that's called bodily integrity. we think that individuals have the right to make these intimate medical decisions for themselves. that's really where we're talking about, here. >> i want to play for you, jennifer, some of what's gorsuch said, some of what justice barrett said. as well as what justice kavanaugh said. when it came to questions of -- surrounding roe, of course and the president, the nearly half century precedent that we know roe has in the supreme court. >> senator but i will commit, i will obey all the rules of -- if a question comes up before me about whether casey or any other case should be overruled that i will be following the law, applying it as the court has articulated it. >> senator i will tell you that roe v. wade decided in 1973 was the president and the supreme

court. i will use it as president of this supreme court. >> as a general proposition, i understand the importance of the precedent set forth in roe v. wade. it's settled as a precedent of the supreme court, entitle in the respect and principles of starts the scientists. >> talk to me about this jennifer, what options are out there. you have susan collins on the record essentially saying i voted in favor of the confirmation of these justices because they told me they would not vote to overturn roe. it's likely that is what will happen. >> by the way i would just comment that justice -- it's what you do when you don't want to think about things, as if stability of the law has no bearing on what they do. listen, these justices lie. they misled senators because

they knew if they told the truth, that they would fundamentally believe in the right to privacy. they don't feel women has the right to make this choice for themselves. they would not get on the court, they lied. can we prove that they intentionally misrepresented, it's there a perfect sentence that meets the criminal standard for perjury? no. this is about an entirely corrupt process where a right-wing society put forth a list of names they knew would overturn roe. trump chose from that list, and by and large got exactly what he wanted. surprise, surprise. so for susan collins, to say oh, i'm shocked that that's going on. i'm shocked that these people are pro life, after they were told repeatedly, after women's groups implored them to look at the facts, look at these people's records. for her now to say, oh, i was

fooled, who knew? i'm very disturbed. i'm very concerned. it's really kind of pathetic. if they want to write that wrong, they have three options. first, they can do away with the filibuster and vote to put roe v. wade in law. they can hold hearings and they can decide to impeach these justices. or three they can go out and induce the states and encourage the states to have a constitutional amendment. they're not gonna do any of those, because they've been lying to the american people along. they're looking out for their own political skins. they don't have the interest of women at heart, and voters have every right to feel resentful and cheated. >> jennifer reuben, we thank you. we're gonna have much more on our special hour, life after roe. up next, breaking ruse, saying women children and the elderly are now out of the mariupol steel plant under siege by russians. a live report, coming up next.

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humanitarian win. the vice prime minister of ukraine confirming all women children and the bitterly civilians have been evacuated from the steel plant, there, after being trapped there for weeks in atrocious conditions. joining me now from kyiv is nbc's cal perry. so you have this twofold situation, playing out there, cow. you have a rare glimmer of hope, of course, with the rest of these people being evacuated. women, children being evacuated as well. what is to come, the with only ukrainian fighters being left inside the steel plant? >> yeah, and they certainly fear the worst that's, what they've been telling the media in messages. we know that, according to them, there are hundreds of fighters wounded. in the last hour we've heard of president zelenskyy who gave his nightly address. he said face to have this will

be to evacuate the doctors and the wounded soldiers. we'll see if he's able to do that. international committee for the red cross which is charged doing this with the geneva conventions pulling off something miraculous when you look at this video and marriott with the fighting reported to us. it's impressive that this window open to get civilians out. there was a local armed group that is claiming that a number of soldiers actually died in the evacuation of the civilians. it will take a couple of days for the civilians to reach jeopardy cha. there is been violence up and down the eastern part of the country. there are two children killed, two others wounded. a number of people were killed there. so the war as widespread in the eastern part of the country, it is worth mentioning that, as well. >> so all of this, cal, just before this victory day holiday for russia. many saying that putin could

feasibly made this major announcement on may 9th to mark this occasion. what do we know? what can we expect here? >> yeah, you can expect a large parade in moscow. you're seeing, when i believe is a practice from this year's parade, or previous parades? you can expect to see video like this. the question is in mariupol, will there be some kind of event there? we've heard ukrainian officials tell us that russian forces are cleaning up the streets there. they're changing street names to russian. they're forcing civilians to take part in the cleanup. we'll wait to see if that happens. a broader picture is a fear of an increase of cruise missile fire. we've seen a tick in the last week. it was lviv the got hit hardest this week. it was the capitol that got hit hard as the week before that. we'll see. officials are asking civilians to take caution, they don't want large gatherings. there will be a curfews, we'll have to see if russians do anything. vladimir putin usually makes a

point out of the state. but nobody knows. >> nobody knows, everybody bracing for it, whatever is to come, the. thanks very much, cal perry, for us appreciate. it coming up chuck schumer facing some intense question about his plan to hold a vote on abortion rights this week that he knows will fail, that's coming up. fail, that' fail, that' coming up.r what you need. (emu squawks) if anyone objects to this marriage, speak now or forever hold your peace. (emu squawks) (the crowd gasps) no, kevin, no! not today. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ ♪ ♪ what do you think healthier looks like? ♪ ♪ with a little help from cvs... ...you can support

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particularly young women who are upset about the possible erosion of their ability to make decisions about their own bodies? >> i guess the first thing i would say is that, how shocking it was, actually, when we heard the news. joe and i got the call that it had been leaked. the precedent matters. the election of the president matters. he's the one who puts the justices on the court, but if this goes to a state level, our state legislators are going to matter, to. so, people have to get involved. >> first lady doctor jill biden talking to simone sanders, speaking out for the first time on this week lee scotus graph opinion. the important role those local and federal leaders are gonna play as this assault on women's reproductive right continues to unfold. you can watch the exclusive interview just a few minutes from now, as it premiers on

nbc's brand-new show, simone, starting right here, you don't wanna miss the launch of that. the senate will hold a vote this week to cut off i roe v. wade, but democrats options for getting the legislation passed is extremely limited. the white house is trying to figure out what it can do to protect abortion rights. joining me now nbc's -- in delaware, with the president, ali, good to talk to you. what options does the president have here, to protect abortion rights in the event that rose overturned? >> well yasmin, the short and simple answer to your question is likely, none. i think it's important to remember that president biden, as we are familiar with, is a devout catholic who has struggled, publicly, with the roe decision, for years. but has eventually grown to become a quiet supporter. but that support is not enough

for some pro choice groups who are calling on him to do more. the problem now, yasmin, is there's really not much more he can do. presidents don't have the power to overturn supreme court decisions. they don't have the power to rewrite state laws. so the white house has been really having to do a delicate dance, and handle this very delicately. while showing support for women and their rights. also being realistically and not making any false promises. listen to part of biden's reaction to this leak draft, earlier this week. >> what are the next things that are gonna be attacked? because this maga crowd is really the most extreme political organization that's existed in american history. in recent american history. >> so there he was suggesting that overturning roe could really just be the beginning of this conservative majority court. there have been some pro-choice groups who have been urging biden, and the administration to make, at the very least, more accessible for women who

are crossing state lines for abortion care, to have transportation. to make resources, housing, transportation more widely accessible. but, again, that would potentially put him in danger of interfering with the -- so this is largely unclear. this is definitely something that the white house is trying to figure out, yasmin. >> so in the congress, schumer planning to hold a vote to codify roe, we know the votes not there. so the question is is this really to get people on the record? >> it is and democrats are being honest and saying as much. they're saying that this could be this is, the most important vote of the last century for democrats. this is their opportunity to finally get all senators across the political spectrum to come to terms and be honest with where they stand on abortion, and abortion rights. something that hasn't been this consequential in decades, yes

ma'am. >> all right allie raffa, with us, thank you elie good to talk to you. >> up next a story you have to hear to believe. one right-wing tv host blame for the supreme court leak. we'll be right back. leak leak we'll be right bac ♪ ringcentral ♪ my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®.

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who went above and beyond when it comes to bad takes. newsmax host suggested that he knew what his suspect was in the lead of the memo. recently confirmed justice continued brown jackson. there's one major flat to this genius detectives were. as we know, justice jackson hasn't joined the court yet. rondo bongo, guy. that wraps it up for me i'm yasmin this again. in our new time slot, i'll be back tomorrow. we're very excited to say simone kicks off her new version of her show, it kicks off now. greetings you're watching simone. first lady dr. jill biden is meeting more refugees in eastern europe.

and for the first time, she rebels wet she thinks on roe v. wade. and about that idea that women could be thrown in jail for making decisions about their own bodies? this is the thing that really has me tossing and turning a night. and the fact is that democrats, they have actually gotten a lot done. so when are there gonna start telling the voters that? i'll ask house democratic caucus chair all about it. welcome to the show, everyone. i'm simone sanders, and i have something to say. i want to start with ukraine, and when i learned about dr. jill biden's trip to the region. the first lady went to remain in school today to meet refugee children and to talk to men and women stepping up to take