the special day on mother's day. if you guys are checking out the screen, there are three generations going on over there of the rice family. wow, i did not realize that everybody took such photogenic photos. everybody looks so great. look at these families. i love these pictures. i am so thankful for my katie phang showed team. we are so grateful to you for watching the katy phang show, and velshi is going to start right now. >> today on, valerie it is day 74 of what russia plans to visit in three days. now all eyes are on vladimir putin on the east eva victory day. a major russian holiday, starting in nine hours. could inspire putin to escalate his war of choice. plus, we have talked a lot about roe v. wade. but the link draft opinion striking down roe also strikes

down another landmark abortion rights decision. we will talk about the turning point in the abortion wars, represented by planned parenthood versus casey, with the lawyer that argue that case. election deniers trying to take over the supervising of the election. and sending elected officials are under investigation for suspected security breaches. the story of the peril that lies ahead as donald trump's big lie about the 2020 election lives on. and then, a white professor wrote a book to explain racism to other white people. including tips and tools and how to be less racist. controversy expectedly ensued. the velshi banned book club convenes again with robyn diangelo, the author of white fragility. velshi starts there. good morning, i'm ali velshi. it is sunday may the 8th. happy mother's day. the future of abortion rights is starting to look a lot like it's passed.

just as samuel leaders leaked draft opinion, we'll not firing, confirms a fear that is held by many supporters of abortion rights, that the conservative movement has achieved its aim of installing a majority of justices to the supreme court. ready to erase abortion rights entirely. if, as expected, roe is overturned, it would be the culmination of decades of efforts to undo its protections. the fact is, abortion rights that exist today or a watered down version of the rights first afforded by row. that is affected by justice alito's draft opinion. quote, in this case, 26 states expressly asked us to overrule roe and casey and to return the issue of abortion to the people in their elected representatives. if roe falls, it is taking casey down with. it casey refers to a lesser known 1992 supreme court case called planned parenthood the casey, which had major consequences for abortion

rights in the united states. since then, whenever anyone talks about abortion rights or invokes roe in reference to abortion, what's it has really meant is 1973's row, plus the stipulations that were established in 1992's casey. and casey has a complicated legacy. it at once saved abortion rights and we can rose protections, because a group of supreme court justices literally compromise the protections of role in order to prevent another group of justices from cutting or many completely. many initially initially suspected that the supreme court was set to undo abortion rights after the oral arguments were heard in casey. but, afterwards, a trio of republican appointed justices. antony kennedy, sandra day o'connor and david souter worked to salvage abortion rights. casey reaffirmed rose findings that women had the right to obtain an abortion, as granted by protections in the constitution. when roads that clay standards

of when the government could or could not restrict abortion based on the trimester, casey applied a new, undue burden standard. that essentially opened the door for states to enact restrictions to abortion at any point in the pregnancy, as long as the restriction did not constitute a, quote, substantial obstacle, and quote, to women's access. now, according to the supreme court's decision in casey, quote, an undue burden exist if it's purpose or effect is the place a substantial obstacle in the path of women seeking abortion before the fetus attain viability. substantial obstacles, vague language, subject to interpretation. which many states took as an opportunity to restrict abortion. the very vagueness of that language, which allowed conservative legislators to push the boundaries of what constitutes an undue burden. and, in the ensuing decade, state legislators enacted anti abortion laws that became a

increasingly more draconian, as they learned what they could get away with. including mandatory waiting periods and state required counseling. while these laws were burdensome, and they discourage patients from accessing abortion, care the state technically wasn't preventing patients from getting an abortion. in some cases, states and active was that were ultimately deemed to violate casey's undue burden standard. that happened, by the, way in 2016, when the supreme court overturned a texas law that created new, onerous regulations for abortion clinics to adhere to. that law, however, wasn't acted in 2013 and, by the time the supreme court handed out its ruling in 2016, many of the abortion place in texas had already been forced to cease operations. so, casey was a blessing and a curse. it largely preserved abortion rights, but it created new obstacles. if you look at the patchwork of laws that regulate abortion across different states today, it would be hard to come to the conclusion that this is what's

true reproductive freedom looks like. joining me now is katherine colbert, she is one of the attorneys who argued planned parenthood v. casey before the supreme court in 1992. she's also the cofounder of the center for reproductive rights and the coauthor of controlling women, what we must do now to save reproductive freedom. catherine, thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. i tried to lay that out, about the good and the bad of casey. tell me what i got wrong there. >> i think you got it absolutely right. the thing i would add, however, is that it was when the republicans took control over the state legislatures in 2010. the number of restrictions increased dramatically. as a result, some women, women who are low income, women who are young, women who live in rural areas and have to travel to get services. all of those women, many of whom are women of color,

disproportionately were affected by these restrictions. women of means always were able to overcome them, or at least in most circumstances. so, we saw a desperate effect. as a result of casey, we still had 20 years by which about 600,000 or more women per year were able to obtain abortions. with this ruling will mean, the illegal ruling, almost half of those women will be unable, under any circumstances, to have abortions. and that is a big problem. 26 days banning abortions altogether. while casey was bad, this is much, much worse. >> what is the solution in the long term? i'm not talking about next week, go vote in the senate. fundamentally, how do you deal with this? because there are questions about the legitimacy of the court now, whether it's been politicized, and with the solutions to that could be. including expanding the court,

which some people think is a great idea and some people think will further delegitimizes it. there are talks about legislative solutions, but there are concerns that other legislatures or the senate could overturn those. so, how do you in shrine women's reproductive rights in a way that is not going to be subject to political win? >> well, the only way to do that is a constitutional amendment. and that would be a long term strategy. in our book, we suggested a constitutional amendment that goes to not just protecting abortion rights but rights to be sexual, rights to live in game marriages, a whole range of rights that deal with women's equality and women's equity. so, that would be the long term goal. but in the short term, i think it's important for us to focus on the short term since so many women are effective affected. we need to take back the state legislators. that means flipping those that are red to blue, those that are purple to blue. and preserving blue states, so

they can enact a statutory protections at the state level. of, course it means taking control of both the congress and the presidency going forward, with enough votes to pass federal protection for reproductive choice. the house has already passed that bill, we need the senate to do so and we need people throughout the united states to tell their senators this is absolutely critical and must be done as soon as possible. >> catherine colbert, we thank you for joining us this morning. we appreciate the clarity you bring to this, given your firsthand experience with casey and your experience as the cofounder of the center for reproductive rights. catherine colbert is the coauthor of controlling women, what we must do now to save reproductive freedom. so that we just talked about is on wednesday, the united states senate is scheduled to take a vote on the women's health protection act. the bill that aims to codify abortion rights into law. the bill has been stalled in

the senate since last september, after it was initially passed by the house of representatives, following its passage in the house, congress held a hearing on abortion rights. during, which some of its own members shared personal stories about themselves seeking abortion care. >> when i had just turned 16 i missed my period. i was confused, afraid at unsure, not knowing if i was pregnant or not. i didn't know what to do. one of my mother's best friends at el paso helped access the abortion i could not get in california. when my mother told her what's going on, she told my mother to send me to her in el paso. because she knew of a good, confident and compassionate doctor, yes, who had a back alley clinic in mexico. remember, i just turned 16. i was one of the lucky ones, madam chair. a lot of girls and women in my generation didn't make it, they died from unsafe abortions. in the 1960s, unsafe, septic

abortions where the primary killer, primary killer, of african american women. >> that was democratic congresswoman barbara lee of california, she is on the pro-choice caucus furch -- she joins me now. congresswoman, lee thank you to you, thank you for being with us. i've heard that testimony many times, and it never doesn't affect me. in part, because you told a very personal story. but in part because you are a living example of a particular success in this instance, but a danger. the danger that could be faced by women who either cannot travel for an abortion or do travel to obtain an unsafe one, in a world in which it is not legal to get one. >> well, good morning, ali. let me take a moment to wish happy mother's day to all the, women grandmothers, surrogate mothers. and all the women who provided childcare and essential services we've needed to this

pandemic, i just want to say thank you. in memory of my late mother, who told me that can't shouldn't be in my vocabulary. and let me just say, ali, it is important for us to recognize that abortions are still illegal. we want people to know that and to understand that medication abortions, abortions are still legal. this was a draft opinion, of course we expect it to hold. but, having said that, we have to ensure now that we recognize that what the supreme court future decision will mean is that it's taking away personally liberties, our personal freedom, bodily autonomy. women, people should have the right to make their own health care decisions. and the first rate full range of reproductive health care services, including abortions, must be made available to everyone, regardless of there is it code, income level or background. we know what's going to happen.

women who have means and who have money are going to be able to travel to states which allow for safe, accessible abortion care. and women who don't have means, primarily are low income women, women of color, black and brown women, indigenous women who have children to take care of. who can't afford to travel, who are low age workers. they are going to be negatively impacted the most. and, so this is a moment where we have to fight, we have to engage in political action and we have to register to vote and vote and support those who support access to abortions. and defeat those who will not stand up for our personal freedoms and liberties. >> but the places in which these women you describe are going to be most adversely affected are in states where people have voted and in many cases have voted for republican legislators. who have either been prepared to go back to their 19th

century rules that are on the books, like in wisconsin or michigan, or they have enacted loot new laws that will take the place of the protections of roe v. wade. so, what do you do in places like that? because they're going to be vulnerable women and states that continue to elect officials who are prepared to curtail this right. >> sure, and what we have to look at also is a lot of these states are red states. where you have low income women, black and brown women, indigenous women, women of color, and people who are really going to, in many ways, be impacted by their state legislatures. and so, we have to engage politically. once, again we're going to have to turn these states legislatures into states who are going to have members of the legislators who are going to support personal liberties. and not allow the legislatures to pass legislation that are going to restrict access to abortion care.

so, again, we've got to fight. this is a political struggle, we can't deny the fact that these are elected officials who are making decisions about women's personal health care decisions. we've got to engage, organize and recognize voter suppression laws, they're on the move in a lot of these states. people are trying to restrict access to the ballot box. and, so in these states, in addition to passing federal registration that would enshrine roe v. wade into federal law, we have to network with our state constituents and phenomenal organizations at the state level to elect people who are going to protect our personal liberties and personal freedoms. because today, it's the personal decisions that people make in terms of the reproductive choices. tomorrow, it's going to be other issues. this is a slippery slope. as the republicans have been trying to do, they're trying to

diminish our constitutional rights in general. and this is a very dangerous thing. but right now, abortions are still legal and we have to get engaged politically. >> congresswoman lee, good to see you again this morning. thank you again for sharing your story and your strategy. congresswoman barbara lee of california. all right, we're going to continue to discuss the right for women's rights to choose throughout the show. i'm going to discuss what can be done legislatively, as we just started to discuss, at both the federal level and at the state levels. with representative judy chu of california and sharif davids of kansas. plus, ahead of tomorrow's ultranationalist a holiday in russia and with president biden set to meet virtually with zelenskyy later today. we'll go live to ukraine for the latest on putin's brutal war. al war. new dove men stress-relief body wash... with a plant-based adaptogen, helps alleviate stress on skin. so you can get back in sync. new dove men. a restorative shower for body and mind.

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unprovoked invasion of ukraine. tomorrow, may 9th, is what russia calls victory day. it's a major militarist dixon asheville estate russian holiday, commemorating the russian red armies defeat of nazi germany in 1945. a defeat over real, actual nazis. not the fake ones that russia says it's fighting in ukraine right now. putin expected a major and easy victory in ukraine by, now russia planning on and at most three-day invasion to capture kyiv and overthrow the zelenskyy government. not counting on the endless logistical and morale problems faced by russian forces. and not realizing the extraordinary bravery, courage

and leadership that he would face in volodymyr zelenskyy and the ukrainian people. due to lack of success, tomorrow, putin is likely going to continue telling lie after lie after lie. like the endless tales told by the famous character charade. which, not so, ironically is also the namesake of a 700 million dollar lock yacht, the big one you're looking at at the bottom of the picture. which u.s. officials say is now unofficially owned by vladimir putin, and the italian authorities have just impounded. not only has russia failed to capture kyiv, it has revamped its focus along a 300 mile front in the donbas in the east. which continues to be slow, uneven and stalled in some cases, according to u.s. officials. with russian and ukrainian forces a centrally trading some sections of territory in a bloody and devastating battlefield dual. leaving scores dead and wounded and entire towns and villages razed to the ground. despite lack of battlefield

ground progress, russia continues its deadly and destructive bombing and missile attacks on civilian areas and infrastructure throughout ukraine. the regional governor of a team into iowa luhansk region says that a missile struck a school where several were sheltering. 30 were believed to have been rescued and gotten out, but the fate of the other 60 is unknown. while in the southeast, along the coast, odesa city council says that six missiles struck the city yesterday. ukraine has now launched counteroffensives on several russian occupied cities in the northeast, including elysium and kharkiv. with significant ground regained around kharkiv. russian forces blip three bridges during that retreat from that city, something not normally conducted by a force planning on returning, particularly by the ground. russian controls what remains of mariupol, most of which is in ruins. though some ukrainian forces are still making and

alamo-esque stand at the azovstal steel factory. bloody fighting continues in the underground tunnels of that structure. russian airstrikes continue from above. following months of living in literally medieval conditions, near darkness, ukraine's deputy prime minister announced yesterday that all of the women, children and elderly who were sheltering in the complex for months have been rescued. nonetheless, ukraine's defense ministry says that russia is planning a military parade for mariupol tomorrow, for victory day. in a city which has multiple documented large-scale mass graves for civilians. one local official also reports that russian forces have begun resurrecting, quote, monuments of the soviet period. offshore, ukraine continues attacks on russian naval assets. claiming several successful attacks on russian ships and patrol boats, as well as attacks on snake island. which is a small yet

strategically significant island in the black sea. the island has been under russian control since the early days of the war, it's the place you'll remember where ukrainian soldiers told a russian warship demanding their surrender to go f yourself. they used to the full were. that was during the first days of the war, with it commemorated on an extremely popular ukrainian postage stamp. the ship, by the, way that you can see on the stamp, the moskva, has since been sunk by ukraine. the ukrainian snake island soldiers not only are dead, as we initially believed, but they have been returned to ukraine in a prisoner swap. due to russia's battlefield setbacks, failures and embarrassments, there are concerns about what vladimir putin may say or do before and during tomorrow's victory day festivities. u.s. officials already believe that russia will soon attempt to hold sham referendums in areas including donetsk and

luhansk in the east, in the donbas. and in kherson in the south. and will install new puppet governments and institutions, which is exactly what they did in 2014 and crimea. now, ahead of all of this, today, president biden and his fellow g7 leaders are holding virtual leaders with ukraine zelenskyy. earlier today, as part of her eastern european trip, first lady doctor joe biden met with refugees and slovakia and then traveled to the slovakia and ukrainian border to see the situation up close. joining me live now, in dnipro ukraine, nbc's kelly cobiella. kelly, it looks awfully normal behind you. but even dnipro has been the target of missile attacks this week. and this is not the first time that russia has attacked a facility sheltering civilians, and we've seen in the east overnight. notably attacking a theater in mariupol weeks ago. what do you know about this recent attack on a school in luhansk? >> that's right, ali.

just a reference what you just said they're about it looking normal, it's mother's day here as well. people are out in the sunshine, they're coming to the park with their moms. but it is deceptive, because we do hear arid sirens. we've been hearing them throughout the night and into the morning. not just here, but across ukraine. and that school in the luhansk region was one of the several sites that was hit just in the past 24 hours. we understand, from the governor of the luhansk region, that about 90 people were sheltering in that school. one person described it as the entire village, the people who had still stayed behind there who had yet evacuated. there is a basement in that school. and a missile struck, sometime around four, 4:30 in the afternoon yesterday. sparking this massive fire as well. you can see the pictures, there is just utter destruction where that school used to be. some of the rescuers there,

some of the folks there, say they were able to poll about 30 people from the rubble. some of whom are seriously injured. but they fear that about 60 are still buried underneath, where that school, that shelter used to stand. the ministry of defence and russia today said, once again, as they've said many times over the past several weeks, that they don't target civilian sites. but ali, you can see the result of with the ukrainians say it was a missile strike there in the afternoon hours yesterday. and just, ali, to keep you updated on another story that we've been following over the weeks now. president zelenskyy said over the night that the remaining women, elderly and children who were in that steel plant in mariupol have now been evacuated. and there are intense negotiations underway right now to rescue the medics, the wounded people who were under the plant as well as the

soldiers. but still no end in sight, really, for the soldiers who were in that plant. they said that the attacks from russian forces had begun yet again today. they were talking to reporters as we speak. so, we hope to give you more from their perspective in a little bit, ali. >> kelly, thank you for your great reporting from there. please stay safe. you and your team. foreign correspondent kelly kabeya in dnipro, ukraine. well, a historic election in northern ireland may bring about a tectonic shift in the united kingdom. coming up, why sinn féin's victory is such a big deal. al

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symbolic election just went down and northern ireland. which is one of the four countries of the united kingdom. separate from the republic of ireland. for the first-time, and irish nationalist party, rather than

a british unionist party, has won the most seats in the northern ireland assembly. sinn féin party leaders celebrated as they secured 27 assembly seats, putting out any other political party. sinn féin will now have the ability to nominate one of its members, as first minister of northern ireland who will serve as co-head of the government alongside the deputy first minister. you may be asking yourself, why is it? important well, sinn féin if you remember, was once the political wing of the irish republican army. the ira. which fought a gruesome three decade battled to defeat british rule and unite northern ireland with the independent republic of ireland. in recent years, sinn féin has changed its, image positioning itself as a left-wing party focused on social issues. but sinn féin is still highly in favor of northern ireland leaving the united kingdom in the near future and restoring a united island. joining with the republic of ireland.

its members are not wasting time. the republic of ireland sinn féin leader said in an interview, the time for constitutional change in ireland needs to begin now. by ireland she means the republic of ireland. here's the northern ireland sinn féin party's president, michelle o'neil. >> i'm very pleased to report that there is a healthy conversation underway, and i've always said throughout the election campaign that, regardless of the outcome, that campaign was going to be -- those of us who are four unification are going to make that case, i encourage those who don't have that perspective at this time to enter into the conversation. let's have a healthy debate. >> according to the 1998 peace accord between britain and ireland, a referendum vote on irish unification can only be held if it seems like a majority of voters would support it. and that time could be soon. mcdonald says that they hope to have that referendum within five years. anyway, up next, what is at stake when the very people who

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committee will consider all enforcement options. well, whether giuliani will comply with the subpoena remains to be seen. but we'll see how it all unfolds as the committee is set to hold public hearings next month, starting on june the 9th. they're probably going to be, some of them, in primetime, you might want to set your -- whatever it is you, do set your place to watch. the panels investigation has already shed a lot of light on the plot to overturn the 2020 election results. but, to this day, we are continuing to see the far reach of the ex presidents big lie. it's an effect that goes far deeper the national politics, it's permeated local and state politics, as you, know as well. now, in most of the 50 states, the secretary of state holds the ultimate responsibility for conducting elections and upholding electoral laws. they're basically the chief elections officer in the state. it's one of the most important jobs you can run for in state government. right, now there are at least 22 candidates in 17 states who

deny that joe biden won the 2020 election, who are running for secretary of state. that's according to states united action, a nonpartisan group that tracks elections. now, in four of those states, arizona, georgia, michigan and nevada, those are states in which joe biden won by his narrowest margins. and, as americans head to the ballot box in november, have a secretary of state who fundamentally believes in democracy and understands thoroughly the electoral system of the country and their state will be critical. one example. colorado. just this week, following a court order, the clerk for albert county, who is a republican, surrendered copies he made of voting system hard drives and other materials to state officials. these were not just any old hard drives. according to an affidavit, they were quote, forensic images of the counties election system records. colorado news line report

explains that republican clerk dallas schroeder said in court documents that, before a state led election system software update in august of 2021, he made the images on an external hard drive to preserve records of the 2020 election, which he claimed the update, known known as a trusted build, erased. colorado secretary of state janet griswold opened an investigation into schroeder's behavior as a potential security breach, after learning that he had copied information from the country's dominion voting systems but civically. and of course, as you will remember, the dominion voting machines were and continue to be a linchpin of the big lie. with trump supporters claiming that those machines deleted millions of trump votes in 2020. in this particular case, you have a secretary of state in place who actually, as good fortune would have, it believes and democracy and was able to prevent another sham audit from being performed by bad actors who won't accept the reality that there was no meaningful

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victory in 2020 in the name of voter fraud, no matter how many times have been called a fraud, continues to be the calling card of the modern-day republican party. as meta relations, near our country will depend more than ever on thousands of elected officials, and a lot of volunteers, by the way, who defend our democracy against the big lie and prevented from doing further damage. joining me this morning is one of those people who is fighting the good fight, jena griswold is colorado secretary of state. secretary griswold, good to see you this morning. i have to, say i was caught off

guard by this conversation. because i actually thought it was a different conversation in which you were taking another local official the task. because this has happened to become a big part of your job. in this particular issue, you are involved in the case with the albert county clerk who made a copy of election hard drives. he believed that the records were going to be deleted and purged and nobody had done anything about it. tell me how this case came to be and how you ended up doing something about it. >> well, good morning, ali. and happy mother's day to all the moms out there. so, this is actually the second security breach we've had in colorado for elected officials, county elected officials trying to prove conspiracies. i think it's really important to point out that these local election officials are becoming security breaches themselves. because they're embracing conspiracies. so, in the situation, we discovered that there were security rules broken because they actually told us.

the albert county clerk, along with a couple other local election deniers, sued me over false conspiracies about the 2020 election. admitted to breaking security protocols and asked to do it again. so, i opened up an investigation and we just won a court case and reviewing everything the clerk turned over to us last week. >> you are an elected official. i've been talking about the importance, in most states, of secretaries of state and the roles they play in elections. you could, potentially, be voted out of office in the next cycle. i was talking about the same situation in michigan. are there safeguards that can be implemented that can preserve your office from bad actors? >> well, we're seeing election deniers run for secretary of state across the nation. in every swing state where there is a race, there is either someone who is at the insurrection or denying the security of our elections,

running to be the chief election officer. that would be like putting arsonists in charge of fire departments across the nation. and i'll tell you, ali, right here in colorado, the first person in the nation to compromise election security, trying to prove the big lie, mason county clerk tina peters. who is now under ten counts of indictment, was arrested two times. she just won the republican assembly to run against me. she has embraced extremism, has been lying about our election system and it's unfit to serve. and frankly a risk to american democracy. so, i think it's so important that voters are paying attention to who they elected secretary of state the cycle. because democracy is literally on the ballot. and so, for your viewers, if they want to join me in defeating tina peters and the big lie, they can sign up at jen for colorado.com. >> i'm just, off the top of my head, thinking about the states where this is happening. arizona, wisconsin, georgia,

michigan, texas, colorado. would a federal voting rights act, that we have not succeeded in getting but at some moments have seemed close, would that help any of this or is that a separate issue altogether? >> well, i think all of the issues are connected. it all boils down to that donald trump tried to steal the presidency in 2020 and their efforts are now focused on 2022 and 2024. you know, the right of americans to choose their elected officials in free and fair elections is at risk. so, we are seeing voter suppression, the destabilization of american elections and also just an attack on confidence. so, absolutely. we need, at the government, the federal government, to act to safeguard the right to vote. but states also have to act in this emerging insider threat. that's why i'm running the first in the nation piece of legislation to make it a felony to have unauthorized access to voting equipment or leaks on sensitive passwords.

>> jena griswold, thanks for taking time this morning. we appreciate the work that you're doing on the explanations that you're able to give us. because, even if we're not in colorado, we have to look at all of these states on what's going on just to be warned about what these dangers are. colorado secretary of state, jena griswold. go nowhere, there is still plenty more you need to know the sunday morning. coming up, representative judy chu and sharice davids on what can and need to be done legislatively to save women's rights. another hour of velshi begins right now. >> good, morning i'm ali velshi. it is sunday may 8th and happy mother's day. even as abortion rights appear to be on the brink of destruction at the hands of the ultra conservative supreme court, the majority of americans still support abortion rights and are overwhelmingly opposed to a return to the criminalization of abortion. this has been consistently true for many years and reinforced by the latest research polling released last week, which found

that 61% of all americans believe abortion should remain legal in most or all cases. compared to 37% believe that it should be illegal. that same poll found that one group of americans are in extreme opposition to the country's views on abortion, white evangelical protestants. among that, group 74% believe that abortion should be illegal in all or most cases. 24% think it should be legal. but that wasn't the case five decades ago. in response to the supreme court's decision, in roe v. wade, in 1973, the leader of the southern baptist convention at the time remarked, quote, i've always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person. end quote. the issue that the religious right with actually irate about at the time was the desegregation of schools and society. in the years before roe, america was in the midst of an era of racial turmoil as the civil rights