hey everybody, good afternoon. i'm yasmin versiga. happy mother's day to all the moms out there. there's a lot going on today. by announcing new sanctions on russia as they meet with president zelenskyy before tomorrow's victory day celebrations in russia. first lady jill biden making a surprise visit across the border into ukraine, meeting with that country's first lady. two mothers sharing wartime solidarity on this incredibly special day. plus, protests continuing across the country. major new developments in the battle for abortion rights. mitch mcconnell setting a national ban is actually on the table. the end of roe, after it

becomes official. nearing a record that nobody wants to see, gas prices are on the verge of a troubling new threshold. all of that in the kentucky derby shocker that has some smart betters in the money today. that is coming up as well. we want to begin with that breaking new development on ukraine at this hour. a virtual meeting between president biden and other g7 leaders, with ukrainian president zelenskyy, meeting a short time ago. the g7 leaders released a statement reaffirming their commitment to ukraine against russian aggression, and they are offering more help to zelenskyy in their fight against moscow. part of that will be a series of new sanctions imposed on russia, that will include action against consulting services in russia, state control tv stations, and targeted sanctions which were also expanded to a close 2600 more russian officials, as well as banking executives. the u.s. is already announced to 150 billion dollar aid

package, including artillery, rounds general comments, and field equipment. all of this, by the way, desperately needed by ukrainian forces on the ground. and of course, there is still the matter of president biden's far more extensive 33 billion dollar aid request. that remains in the hands of congress, of course. meanwhile, the russian bombardment of ukraine continues uninterrupted as many as 60 people are now buried under rubble in presumed dead, after a russian strike on the on a school in the far eastern region of ukraine. luhansk sitting close to 100 civilians were sheltering in the basement when it was hit. the attack is coming with growing fears that russian president vladimir putin may used's victory day, may 9th holiday, to unleash an even greater assault on ukraine. we're gonna have a report later this hour. before the president began his meeting with zelenskyy, he spoke to the first lady about his unannounced trip to

ukraine. dr. jill biden making her way into the country earlier today, where she met with ukrainian counterpart. first lady alina zelenska. joining me now, former policy director for the first lady michelle obama. welcome to you both. thanks for joining us. let me start with you on this, one and bring us up to date on what we know so far. when it comes to this unprecedented -- >> it has been so interesting as i'm listening to you talk about this -- that with her counterpart. that was very much a leader to leader conversation. we now know, having been part of this movement today with the first lady into ukraine, is that the conversations that she has had with her ukrainian counterpart, olena zelenska, was a much more mother to mother conversation. this is a meeting that came together only in the last minute. the first lady having really expressed a desire to go into ukraine, particularly to visit

a school. the school where this took place was one where ukrainians who have been fleeing westward trying to avoid the violence that we have seen in the eastern parts of the country, have been re-housed with some of their mothers, primarily their mothers. trying to gain a sense of normalcy in this war, in this country. it was late to the ukrainian first lady was added to the itinerary. we saw them have the opportunity to spend some time together, and the first lady was able to give directly the message we've been hearing from her for sometime. the support for the american people for the ukrainians. let's listen. >> it is important to show the ukrainian people that this war has to stop. this war has been brutal. and the people of the united states stand with the people of ukraine.

>> in response to that point, we heard the first lady of ukraine says that she feels it, that the support is something that is fouled. she called it an act of courage by joe biden to make this trip. this is a historic drop in so many ways. it is so weird to see a first lady traveling through an active combat zone. the last time we saw that really was first lady laura bush going to afghanistan in 2008. but also mention the first lady along it trump accompanied her husband to iraq, not in the same way an active combat zone. but this was something that was very secret even while we were on the ground with the first lady of ukraine. it was only as we were leaving the country that we were able to report it, and start beginning to send back these incredible pictures. >> mike, you mentioned the security of needs to be in place. the secret needs to be in place on a trip like this, when it is undertaken. especially by a sitting first lady. so expand on that for us, if you could. just how huge is the significance of this trip? >> that significance is on so

many fronts. when she visited, mother's day has such meaning. given that 90% of ukrainian refugees are women and children. at a time when two thirds of children have fled their homes. where she visited? first the allied nations of slovakia and romania. and now of, course this visit to ukraine is a strong signal of solidarity. i also think it is incredibly important to understand what's a first ladies trips mean. or draw attention. we are ten weeks into this war, it is a powerful moment that she is visiting 5.8 million ukrainian refugees. i think the fact that you had to educators sitting around a table, talking about how we bring some semblance of normalcy back to children on mother's day, obviously not a coincidence. >> it makes these refugees, the people that are currently at, war feel seen.

feel hopeful. we know it is this incredibly difficult time, and much of this trip, as you mentioned, was taken up by the visiting refugees that have fled ukraine for safer ground elsewhere. we know the president has promised this more streamlined process of entering the united states, for ukrainian refugees. that has not necessarily been the case of some of our reporting has indicated. it has been a heck of a lot tougher to get into the united states, especially as the refugees over the last couple of weeks. there is a lot of red tape, to say the least. do you think enough is being done, in general, to make refugees feel welcome here? >> candidly, no. it is heartening that we do have about 25,000 ukrainian refugees here in the u.s.. about 20,000 of those came through a very secure this root of this southern border. we were appreciative of the administration for announcing the ukraine program. but the reality is it is

requiring the private sponsorship of americans. and we are still getting quite a number of questions. we have resettled a quarter of the ukrainian refugees who come to the u.s. in the last decade. and it so we have a family who are reaching out every day with a number of questions. we just hosted a webinar this week and we had over 1000 people attend. they are asking questions, like he was going to pay for health care? how do we find affordable housing when we know that this is a crisis that costly country? we made a commitment to resettle 100,000. and that has got to be the minimum of what we do at a time when we have 5.8 million refugees. and that number will continue to increase. >> krish o'mara vignarajah, mike memoli, thank you very much. capitol hill story controversy over his comments on a national abortion ban. mitch mcconnell, when asked by usa today, asked if the -- was worthy of debate.

he said. this,,,. ,. , democrats criticizing the minority leader for the comment, telling people to take their concerns to the ballot box. >> if republicans get control of the house in the senate, and the white house, which certainly could happen in the next 30 years, they are absolutely going to pass a national ban on abortion, that will affect every single family. every single woman in this country. >> they are talking about a ban. and they have a course shown the ability to do this before when they ran through the supreme court justices and change the filibuster for that. so this again gets to my argument that this is about the ballot box. >> nbc's gary graham bach is in front of the screen for us.

where protests have been ongoing since this draft decision was leaked. gary, they essentially said we're putting this back in the hands of the people. how are the people they're feeling today, tell me. >> hey there yasmin. we are on day six of these protests. our five today alone. it is a mix of, you know you are down here earlier, planned an impromptu protests. i want to take a look right now charles can take a look. this is a impromptu protests that came together after a more organized one early this morning. it started out as people on both sides. this is now mostly pro abortion rights activists here that are treading. they are talking. really speaking from the heart. many of them are talking about their own abortion experiences, and how their lives may have been saved because they had an abortion. and of course, it is mother's day here, as you know, yasmin. happy mother's day. these people could be at brunch, taking a walk, doing anything. they are here.

that is really important. they find this issue to be. we spoke to a woman who talked about this. >> i am here on mother's day because everyone should have a choice, whether they become a mother or not. and it is really important for me. the daughter has a choice whether not to be a mother. they are taking away rights rather than giving rights, and we want to make sure that we protect our democracy. >> now, it is not just people here outside the court that are impacted by all of this. it is also the people that work inside this building as well. justice samuel alito had to cancel an event in nashville that he was scheduled to speak out this weekend, calling the visit impractical. justice clarence thomas said that the supreme court would not be bullied to changing their opinions based on the will of the people. of this country. so similarly, a lot of fire coming from both sides of that 90-foot not scalable fans behind me. yasmin. >> thank you by the way gary for that shout-out in your reporting on. this appreciate.

it only bring in kelly robinson, director of the plan painted action fund. and -- professor the university of alabama school of law and msnbc legal analyst. thank you for joining us on this. i know you are, mom so happy mom say he. kelly, are you a mom? i know you have a mom. whatever it may be, happy mother's day to you. as well. on this incredibly special day. the timing of it all is incredibly eerie. when you think about mother's day and the protests that happened over the last few days or so, the leaked opinion. so here we are. and now, of course, this reaction that we are hearing from senate minority leader mcconnell about the possibility of making this a federal ban on abortion. kelly, your reaction? >> it is a scary reality for me as an advocate. but as a mom, a new mom, as a woman of color, it is horrifying. what we are actually looking at here, for the first time ever the courts are in a position to rollback our constitutional rights. at the end of the day, with this means is not that people

won't need abortion access, it just means it will be that much more difficult for folks to get. they will have to travel hundreds of miles, they will have to find childcare. all of this just to access basic health care. >> joyce, it is mind-blowing to me. because when you read that majority opinion, which obviously to someone like me who did not go to law school, only bits and pieces can be picked out that really stand out. i know you probably read the same cover to cover. but when you read this majority opinion, it talks about giving this back to the people. which in of itself is already problematic, considering the fact that you 75% of americans with access to abortion services across the country. that aside, now is the question of possibly a ban on abortions. a federal ban the portions. when you have 77% of americans that believe women should have access to abortions. the supreme court is going to make this decision and send it back to the states. and that they want to have a federal ban on this. how would that even work?

but >> well, this is a draft opinion. i don't think we can emphasize that enough. there has been a speculation that it was leaked precisely because justice alito is losing that essential fifth about vote for his majority. we will see with the final opinion looks like when the court has it dad. but you are absolutely correct. this draft opinion holes of the reasoning here behind sam alito's opinion. he is returning this decision to the states. it is a states rights feel to it. and that does not mean individuals to voters. that means the state legislators. which in many red states involve highly gerrymandered republican majorities. so we know with the outcome of women's rights will be in those states. and at the same time, justice alito is hammering the importance of returning-less decision to the state, rather than having roe, which guarantees abortion rights as the lava land. we now have mitch mcconnell, who frankly has a track record in this area. he has been talking about a

national abortion ban for many years, and in 2013, he spoke at the national right to life convention meeting. and he said that if he became the speaker, rather the majority leader in the senate, and he too would push for a national band. so there is a little bit of hypocrisy and inconsistency going on here. i think maybe saying that it is a little bit is overly generous. the goal here, though, is control of women's law. control of women's rights. and it is perhaps an echo of the past, but also at least into the general overt forever folks in the future, when those rights are derived from the same sorts of legal principles. >> kelly, talk to me about the work that you are doing right now in this opinion does eventually come down, if in fact it turns out to be the overturned of roe. >> we will have to see. people are fired up. we saw immediately after the draft opinion was leaked, 1000 people show up on the steps of

the supreme court. every day sense, folks of mobilized in town squares all across the country to protest. these people won't stand for this. as you said before, this is not the will of the people. 77% of people believe in the legal right to access to abortion care. those are the people we are making sure have their voices heard. our first step is to make sure folks are mobilizing. we have a national day of action. we expect millions of folks to show up on may 14th. at the same time, it is really important to say that abortion is still legal. abortion is your right. so, planned parenthood health centers are working every day to ensure that folks get access to the care they need. that means making sure that they are doing patient navigation work so that folks can navigate but landscape with care. that means partnering with abortion funds to make sure folks have the resources they need to travel to wherever they must go to get care. but at the end of the day, we are serious when we say, care no matter what's. >> joyce, i'm glad we have you on this hour.

because i was trying to get an answer to this question. and i want you to be really truthful with all of us. if there are really no options for women, to this question, i would appreciate you saying that. i've yet to gets an answer for anybody on this. when you look at the states by the way, conservative states, like florida for instance. the majority of people in florida believe that women deserve access to abortion. if desantis moves to all out ban abortion or have restrictive laws on the books, right notice if two weeks, it has gone. through today with just six weeks. if you are in a state where the popular pianist to support women for abortion services, you have the state legislature that moved to ban or restrict abortion. is there any legal avenue as a woman, that you can take to fight that? >> >> so, i'm sure we'll see lawsuits but ultimately they're all headed to the supreme court and we know their views on this issue. it's unlikely that the courts

are result for redress. so, here is the only option and it's a good wine it's the one that americans turn to again and again, it's voting. and i know that we're gonna hear people push back on that and say well it's impossible, there's so much legislation adopted that suppresses the right vote. the answer is this, for people that care about women, to vote turnout in such tremendous numbers not just for national federal elections but also for state and local ones. the state legislator -- increasing importance and people who care about these issues, need to vote, and make sure everyone around them votes. that's really the only answer left. >> kelly, i think you're gonna echo and joy said, but i want to toss it over to you and say what's most import in the fight ahead? >> absolutely, it's definitely showing its vote, governors and many state are gonna be the -- protecting access to abortion as rose power is reduced. we need to make sure that we

are reelecting -- governor whitmer and michigan looks like governor evers in wisconsin, and in places where there's open races like georgia, florida, texas, arizona, getting reproductive rights -- the governors are gonna have a new role to play amara to make sure that we're putting pressure there and getting voices heard. at the end of the day there is no states or banning abortion is popular. this is not the will of the people, we need to change who's in power. >> so, i know it now could you set it officially kelly robinson, happy mother's day to you, and joyce once again my friend happy mother's day to you as well. >> still ahead everyone sharing their stories many who have made it difficult to even have an abortion are telling their stories, i'll be joined by a texas woman sharing her personal experience and up next pain at the pump, near record gas prices and what it means for you. we'll be right back. for you. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.

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i am trying to my colleague simone sanders, who says americans have to turn out and make their voices heard. not only on the streets in outside the courthouse, but at the ballot box. >> i know that people, women, are out there in front of the supreme court. but this is a chance, really, for people to take action. and i think we can go and protest all we want, but we have to take actions. and this is when elections really matter. >> simone sanders, host of msnbc's brand-new show. i watched. you killed, it somehow. it was so. good i am so happy for, you friend. really happy. it was a really good launch to your show, you should feel really good about that. now that i've praised you, let's get into the politics of it all. talk to me. you hear these comments from mitch mcconnell, essentially weighing the chance of banning abortion outright, on a federal level. then you look ahead to this week, knowing that schumer

wants to have this vote on the senate floor. the votes aren't there. >> they do not exist. and the idea, is we want to get folks on the record. do you think this is important? and if so, why? >> you know, i am conflicted. because i think in general elected officials, particularly the people elected to the united states congress, they have a duty to make sure that they are acting in the interest of their constituents. and their constituents have the right to know where their elected officials stand. so about getting people on the record, i understand. but i guess i understand the sentiment behind. it i do think that the american people are looking for action for their elected officials. and a failed vote that is going into the vote, everyone knows it is going to fail, is more so a inside or a baseball than action that people are looking for. >> it's like when we talk about

censure, when it came to the form of the president. the world who will that, said what is that, who cares? but when you are, right when i was out with protesters last week, a lot of folks were frustrated the things weren't getting done. this may just add to the frustration. let's talk about some of these new poll numbers. we have 31% of adults saying, yes, the supreme court should overturn roe. 51% saying no. breaking that out by parties. democrats, 70% saying. out republicans, 29% saying now. you think about the overall silence from republicans since this leak decision. and you wonder if it is a reflection, simone, of the fact that they know this is not popular but. >> yes, it is extreme. we are talking about, with the overturning over roe v. wade, is taking away the ability of women to make decisions about the health care that they made

me. there are trigger laws on the books all over this country right now that we go into effect when roe is overturned. and some of those trigger laws, they mandate that women who seek the abortion care that they may need, they are thrown in jail. they are find anywhere between $1,000 and some of the starters are up to $10,000. the doctors can be fined and thrown in jail. that is not popular. if anyone hears that, regardless of the main voted for on the last election, nobody thinks that that is reasonable. and the criminalization of women is the point there. the cruelty is the point. it seems crazy. because it. i want the people out there to be understanding that this is not some hypothetical conversation we are. having these are real laws on the books. these are real statutes that have been inactive. these are bills that are going to be signed. so people have to pay attention. >> whether bentley -- of the former president? he was on dr. austin-ites, ago didn't even mention this.

i thought for sure he was going to get up on the stage and say, i appointed the three justices, and these three justices are going to overturn roe, and that is when i promised. >> i expected to hear that too. i do know, and nbc news has asked, and number of outlets have asked some trump allies, what is it really all about? these trump allies have assured everyone out there that donald trump will in fact be taking credit for these justices when the final decision for row comes down. i think it comes down to a texas bill that was passed late last year. a texas bill was very extreme. and in the 24 hours since the passage of that bill, yasmin, there was only one mention of it on fox news. this was something that concern activists worked for four years. i do think that the rhetoric is mediating reality here. people are grappling with what is actually happening, how people actually feel.

and again, the cruelty is the point. democrats, republicans, independents, people that don't have an affiliation, they do not think that doctors should be thrown in jail. >> three, pm that will be your second child. what can we expect to see tonight? >> very excited for the second show. we are going to honor the mothers and the weather figures out there. happy mother's day to you, yasmin. we are going to talk about that. doctor biden has a really great sounds from the interview that we did not play yesterday, about her journey as a mother. she became a mom and a wife on the same day, actually. for people that don't know. we are also going to debut our culture corner. we are talking with everything from dave chappelle, comedians being attacked. we are going to debunk some of the myths there surrounding rowan abortion. and we are going to talk britney griner, because it is something the group chats are talking about. and we are not talking about it enough. >> really important we talking about. can i get an invite to that culture corner one day?

>> oh my, gosh we will put you on our culture critics. i would love that. >> all, right i'll call your. booker simone sanders, as always, good luck today, but you don't need any luck. >> okay. thank you for having me. >> make sure to tune into simone, as already said, 4 pm eastern, right after the show. you don't want to miss it. all right. a mother. some are using this mother's day weekend to fight for the rights of all women. take a listen. >> i'm a mom. she is eight months old. but i also had an abortion almost 20 years ago. and so i think it is extremely important that i, and that people, show their stories now more than ever. abortion is absolutely health care. the decision that i made to have an abortion years ago was a deeply personal to me. my decision to have a child was equally personal and equally important to me. and just as strongly as i felt about my decision to become a

mother, and ashore of, it i felt the same way about my abortion. and abortion's health care. but >> a mother protesting for abortion rights or the supreme court as the reality of the possible and of rogue came clear this week. more and more women are telling their personal stories. my next guest is one of those women. ten years ago she was ten years old when she found out she was pregnant. scared and alone, she knew one thing for sure. she could not remain pregnant. with me to talk about her experience is stephanie gomez, political director with -- texas and the portion access advocate. stephanie, welcome. thank you for joining us on this. and sharing this incredibly personal and vulnerable story. can you talk to us about your experience? what happened? >> yes. so. first of all, thank you for having me. and thank you for giving me the opportunity to share my story. as i said, i had the portion of texas when i was a high school

student, at the age of 18. which means that i was not under the constraints of what a lot of my peers had to go through. i did not have to seek parental permission. however, it was still something that was very difficult to access here in the state of texas. i simply did not know how many hurdles i was going to have to jump to access my abortion. even though i knew from the moment that i saw the positive pregnancy test that i was going to have an abortion. i had to figure out how it was going to this school, how is going to keep this away from my parents, because i lived with them. how i was going to figure out travel to the abortion clinic. how i was going to get $300, which was a substantial amount of money for me. because that was essentially two of my paychecks. and i tell my story because of growing up in texas, growing up as a catholic, i thought that's no one had abortions. and i thought it was going to live the rest of my life being the only person i ever knew who we had an abortion. and that is simply not true. i have helped people get their abortions, i've supported

people through that experience. and abortion is a part of the human experience. i want to make sure that no one ever feels alone. >> why was it so important for you to be able to have that choice? to seek out and abortion. and how are you so sure, so quickly, that is what you had to do. >> i think it was so important to me to have that choice, because it was a moment of empowerment. going up, i feel like i was told, this is where they should believe, this is what i should do. and for me, it really was the moment that a lot of -- stood up for me. i realize there were a bunch of people in austin who do not know what it is like to be young, queer, and latinx. they do not know it is like to be pregnant. making decisions for people like me. i just did not necessarily make sense to me. why someone who has no understanding about the conditions of my life, my pregnancy, that they were going to tell me what i should and should not look like. ever since that moment, it really was the first choice

that i made for myself. steph gomez doing what is best for staff gomez. and to this day, i still just believe that that is what drives me to do all of my work. it is something that as soon as i saw the draft decision, every time that there were's more abortion access restricted in texas and across the country, it really breaks my heart. because i'm thinking of all the people have to seek abortions in the coming days, and what could possibly be going through their minds. -- must be difficult. >> stephanie, it is not of seeking abortion services. it is also a woman that just need proper health care. proper gynecological health care. you look at the statistics in your state in the state of texas. latino women specifically. texas has the highest rate of uninsured individuals in the country. many of them are latina. uninsured latina woman who often rely on these low-cost facilities like planned parenthood. to seek a proper gynecological health care. what will happen to these women 's?

>> it is going to be difficult. i literally grew up without health insurance, i did not have coverage until my first full-time job, which was not until 2020. up until that point, i relied on planned parenthood for all my exams. and to be clear, the first service i ever got was actually my abortion. and then they told, me we can actually help with anything that you needs. so of course what we are going to be seeing in texas is restriction on abortion access and all health care generally. it is just going to really harm people and put them into positions where they are having to navigate this information. a lot of cultural stigma. simply because they need the same access to the resources that we all should have. >> let me just ask you this. because we do have to wrap it up. but i think when you said is really important. you didn't even know that you could see got certain services from a place like planned parenthood. so those people would ask, me how did people not know that you could not get proper birth control? that you could get three free birth control from planned

parenthood? why was it that you did not know that the services were offered at a place like planned parenthood? >> it is not like people were coming into my school saying, hey stephanie, if you need mental health services, if you need sex education, there are places in your area that you can proactively reach out to and get that stuff. i think that is why work that abortion funds do is so essential. because they are not just -- a big thing they do is provide the, abortions but they're also reaching out into communities and letting people know that when they need access to health care or logistical support, emotional support, but this is one of the resources in their community that they can get that from. stephanie gomez, thank you for joining us. i appreciated. coming up everybody new sanctions how global leaders are preparing to add to the toll of the war in ukraine is having on the economy in russia, we'll be right back. ving on the economy in russia, we'll be right back. we'll be right back. rance, so you only pay for what you need? oh, like how i customized this scarf?

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wrapping up a virtual meeting with ukrainian volodymyr zelenskyy in the g7 leaders in the short time ago, leaders allowing the statement pledging their continued support for ukraine further action to cripple the russian economy also as the russian president continues his attacks. the u.s. european union group of seven nations will impose another round of sanctions on russia targeting its state controlled media elite services that help finance the war on ukraine. including three of russian's most viewed television stations, this is all coming just one day before russia celebrates its victory day holiday which marks the soviet union's defeat of nazi germany in world war ii. though this year many are speculating putin's gonna use this to make that major worn out and, or ramp up his army's attacks, and listens matt bradley joins me now, matt thank you for having me, thanks for joining us on this. what do we know about today's meeting? >> well as always, yasmin, are

telling him inside a hotel room normally becoming a few from you outdoors but we're trying to observe here in -- the curfew and the blackout that's in effect in some of these throughout ukraine. we also on that g7 meeting, this is the g7, the world's wealthiest democracies and they all pledged for yet another round of sanctions, this is time and time again, they're tightening the screws on russia and vladimir putin. this time around what we heard was more focused on state controlled media. those who are propagating message that as confused and disoriented the russian public, more on that later, we'll talk about what's happening tomorrow. also, it looks as though all these nations are gonna be weaning themselves off of russian while, we've seen some moves on russian gas, now russian oil. this has to be done very carefully because of course all these nations are democracies, they don't want to see their

own citizens in being punished by these decisions, and having them pay more at the pump. so, this is a decision that's been taken very carefully at its one that was done with the knowledge that we want to give an off ramp to vladimir putin. so, that's one of the things that was considered so all this being done as we saw first lady, jill dr. jill biden, visiting ukraine for mother's day with her counterpart the wife of volodymyr zelenskyy, all of this flurry of diplomacy today, and their celebrations tomorrow. >> let's get into that, you brought it up there this may 9th victory day celebrations can be happening inside russia. what can we expect from them, and you think there's gonna be any change in those celebrations because of these new sanctions now leveled against russia? >> now, i don't know the sanctions themselves are gonna have an effect on may 9th celebrations. remember of course the

sanctions are on the latest round of sanctions, the punishments have been very severe against moscow, amongst the kremlin, a man against putin himself, and his elite lieutenants. so, this probably won't affect his plans, it's hard to know exactly what will happen i may not, maybe nothing at all. it could be an ordinary celebration with the kind he has every year in moscow marking the soviet victory over nazi germany back 77 years ago at the closing of world war ii. he also might want to weaponize the war in ukraine for a propaganda victory for his own public, who are in the dark, they don't know exactly what's happening as far as we understand, and they're being told that a lot of the information they are getting is misinformation, a lot of the rumors, the information about attacks killing civilians are being told that these are stage ploys by ukraine and the west. he also might use this to declare war and say this isn't

just russia in a limited military operation. >> okay, we will be watching of course as to what takes place over the next 24 hours or say. matt bradley, thanks matt, good to see you. in the next hour former secretary of defense william cohen's gonna join me to discuss these latest sanctions against russia, but after the break the wild story of the kentucky derby's biggest upset in more than 100 years. . >> oh my goodness, look at that, that is the kentucky derby. derby om. why not both? use the u.s. bank mobile app to apply for a home improvement loan. it's easy! wonderful alex! hey, that's what u.s. bank is for. anything else? how about a loan for a bigger car? our family is growing. awe. yeah, my brother's moving in with his five dogs. oh... heyo! and we're expecting. ahh! (dog sound) expecting what? help for today, planning for tomorrow.

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off the biggest upset and over 100 years. even his own trainer could not believe the way in. >> i don't know how i fell down the paddock. i passed out. i am so happy. >> calling which strike a long shot is an understatement. >> deals are 75 to 1. what have we learned about the jury? you never know. >> if you were paying attention to the number 21 a horse that was added to just the day before the race. >> as we head to the back stretch, simplification is left. which strike. >> moments before the finish, it was favorites and per sandra and sander who were neck and neck, leading the pack. >> these two, stride for stride. >> but then, out of nowhere. >> rachel strike is coming up on the inside! oh my goodness! >> his jockey, venezuelan -- knew he had made history. >> on the last 50 years, i say,

i got the race! and then we get it. the dream come true. >> a cinderella story for these kentucky derby first-timers. >> they know who is now. >> unbelievable. i can't even explain it. it's unbelievable. >> and now, a real opportunity as they set their sights on the next big race. >> for those who like the long shots and bet on rich strike, a two dollar bet paid $163.63. big winners of the trebek toe or walking away with nearly $15,000. which strike will now head to the -- where he will no longer be the long shot pick. >> 80 to 1, that is some odds. what's a race. thanks for that. in our next hour, mitch mcconnell said of the nationwide abortion ban, nevada's attorney general joins me on when his team is doing to

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