tonight, on the mehdi hasan show, fighting autocrats on the right, conservative evan mcmullin left the gop discusses his democratic party back campaign to undersea pro trump republicans in utah. plus, 1 million covid deaths in the united states, all speak to political -- and young about the tragic that we can't ignore. and democratic congresswoman barbara lee on the end of abortion rights in america. that evening, and happy mother's day to all the mothers watching tonight. i'm mehdi hassan i've been pointing out on this show since we launched in 2020, there's no real organized resistance to trump on the right. and we should stop imagining that there is. the republican party is trump's party, i know it, you know i, and all those so members of the

gop they may not want to know it the evidence of trumpian extreme in dominance is there for anyone willing to look, meanness some supporters blew it in turn their backs on trump and met with odds at that rally intended to boost the tv doctors senate bid in pennsylvania this weekend. the reason why they seem to be opposed to -- is because oz is an extreme enough. or some might speculate white enough either, but let's talk, let's not exaggerate resistance to trump sway over the republican party right now it's akin to a cult. this past week trump managed to eke out ohio's rather -- for j.d. mandel, excuse me j.d. vance who's trailing in that way, -- still, while they don't hold much power that doesn't mean that there aren't a handful maybe two handfuls of republicans who are still willing to speak out against trump. we should recognize that, and recognize that there is no doubt heard of adam kinzinger for example, who said on the 16

committee. how about congressman tom rice who voted to impeach trump after the insurrection, and unlike kinzinger is running for reelection, here he is speaking in a gop primary or play on thursday in his home state of south carolina. and when he set out lie to his republican audience is well worth listening to. >> so, i was there on january six. -- i was there. i saw the bomb squad defusing bombs. i smell the tear gas. i was on the house floor when the glass was breaking while they were trying to break down the doors. when we evacuated i passed capitol police officers who were beating and broken, being pulled from the lines. when we got to the spot where we were a evacuated, fox news was on tv. i was getting calls from back here from friends, the news, as i was talking to a news media back here i kept saying, where

is the president? where is the president? where is the president? but he never came on. i knew he was gonna come on and say listen, the violence has to stop. but he did it for four hours. later, i asked my staff to pull the records on what he was doing at that time, he was sitting's dining room in the oval office proud that these people were sacking the u.s. capitol, beating up the capitol police officers, and he did nothing to stop a. in fact, 20 minutes after they were at the capitol, he tweeted out, mike pence doesn't have courage. >> you don't have to like tom rice, you don't have to like with tom rice stands for, i certainly don't among other things he's a right-wing republican who refuses to wear a mask on the house floor in 2020, pre-vaccine, shocker he, his wife, and son all got

infected when he called the wuhan flu. at the same time congressman rice is one of the only republicans still standing up to trump's growing insurrection. if that's the defining issue in american politics right now, you're saving american democracy, that needs recognizing that he's doing that especially since four of the ten republicans who voted to impeach trump second time around our retiring from congress instead of facing reelection. nearly half of them. a few republicans, conservatives were even standing up to the threat posed by trout long before he incited insurrection and got impeached a second time, back in 2016 former house republican -- see is a evan mcmullin, launch an independent campaign to stop trump, later warned that the presidency of donald trump would present a dangerous, authoritarian talent to the u.s. constitution. mcmullin are called in a new york times op-ed in 2016 during the trump transition, at a meeting with house republicans

in july 2016 which mcmullen was president, trump quote, lack the basic ngola the constitution, he questioned judicial independence, threaten freedom branch, called for violating equal protections under the law, promised the use of torture, and attacked americans based on their gender, race, and religion. he undermined critical democratic norms including peaceful debate and transitions to power, commitment to truths, freedom from four institute -- executive power for political retribution. that was 2016. it was after that meeting, that mcmillian launched his long shot independent bid to try to stop trump from taking office, presenting an alternative that wasn't hillary clinton. trump greeted the challenge posed by mcmullen's third party candidacy with the same substance of pileup -- usually gives well out on the campaign trail. >> that's correct, that's his name. he said absolute evan mick muffin, do you believe this?

or something like that. i never heard of this guy before, nobody did. >> fast forward six years and breakfast pastry name-calling aside, the cult of trump has more reasons to worry about the you tie independent in just his name, nick mullins giving trump ally mike lee let the ap is calling the toughest reelection fight possibly for his senate seat ever. this is the utah conservative who's facing this challenge from evan mcmullin. mclelland's getting howell from the democratic party at a rather unprecedented move, voted recently to not put up a democratic senate candidate in november, instead throw its support behind evan mcmullin. to unseat mike lee, let's be clear mike lee was part of trump's coup attempt, he was texting at trump's chief of staff trying to find ways to overturn joe biden's election victory in 2020. it is vital for democracy that such people are held to account, so does evan mcmullin have a chance? and can the strategy that you

talk democrats have adopted be replicated and other close red state riches. who better to ask than evan mcmullin himself, he joins us now. thank you for coming on the show this evening, you are a lifelong conservative, you know have the support of your states democratic party in your independent bed to try and unseat senator mike lee in november. how exactly do that democratic party decision come about, did you lobby them to stand down? >> well, start off to say, a majority of -- one replace mike lee. the challenge of that majority is divided between democrats of course, independents, disaffected republicans or pro democracy republicans, whatever you'd like to label them. and then members of third parties and so i went to unite a utah party, democratic party and asked them to join my coalition to defeat mike lee, i asked them to help me form this

majority that already wants to replace him, so that we can do that and the process was the following both for the united utah party and for the democratic party at utah, they had their conventions on their delegates cast a vote in order to join our coalition, to support my candidacy rather than nominating other candidates into the general election. so, for the last several months we've been working very hard, engaging with delegates in both of those parties, meeting with them all over the state and all our 29 counties, meeting with them remotely, messaging to them, listening to them and doing the heavy lifting, building this cross partisan coalition to defeat mike lee and protect our democracy. >> so, you're building this coalition, if its coalition gets you into office, as you pull off this unlikely victory let's say in november, with the support of local democrats, would you caucus with the democrats in the senate if elected as independents bernie

sanders and angus -- have already done? >> i'll say, the fact that democrats in the utah party voted to join our coalition, now makes our opportunity to replace lee i'd say much much better than on mike lee, of course i'm the candidate i might say that but i'm not one that oversells electoral opportunities. but again, a majority of utah want to replace them -- >> but, would you caucus with -- ? . >> absolutely, i'll answer your question i'm going to maintain my independence and the reason for that is that i got to represent this coalition in order to better represent utah, to provide the kind of leadership that utah mcentee needs, but also if this coalition divides itself and we are divided, because i join one party or another, then likely is gonna be reelected and will have failed in our mission. so, in order to represent the pro democracy republican against --

third parties, i've got to maintain my independence and that's what i'm committed to doing. >> i want to play from senator lee had to say to fox as laura ingraham earlier this week, i want your reaction on the other side. have a listen. >> this is not similar, who has an interest of the american constitution -- >> senator elise china frame you as a shifty opportunities who basically hates america and the constitution, how do you respond? >> well, i should respond to that. this is coming from a self-described constitutional conservative who played an integral role in trying to topple american democracy. so, i have to say that's the first time i'm seeing that clip, i should respond to it more fully but i will say that that is an utter joke. this is somebody who tried to use his knowledge of the constitution, which i believe is great, to try and find a legal fig leaf in order to carry out a toppling as i said

of our democracy democratic republic. that is who mike lee is, he tried to find a weakness in our constitutional system to destroy american democracy and for him to go on television and claim that i don't have the interests of the country or the constitution at heart, is laughable. which i think he's betrayed his oath, but not only betrayed is out he's betrayed the american identity. and utah deserves better, the country deserves better and i think that's why most utah onions want to replace. i'm >> your former party as i often say is obsessed with projection. it's always projection, -- and as for you not having seen that clip will watch fox so you don't have to. these are midterms that could be defined by roe v. wade, a woman's right to choose, you called yourself a pro lifer but also put out a statement in response to the samuel eco draft opinion in which he said quote, if roe v. wade is overturned, some states will immediately enact extreme law

such as total bans on abortion, -- and criminalization of women in desperate situations, i oppose these laws. and yet in 2016, you said you are strongly antiabortion and said the roe v. wade should be overturned, he said in october 2016 on twitter. how our 20 2020 mcmullin and 2016 and mclelland compatible? >> i'm committed to the sanctity of life but i think that means that the lives of women -- and lives of the unborn of course and it means the life of children. i think we need to take a more comprehensive approach that. this tug of war over the laws, we see extremist laws being passed around the country obviously, roe v. wade is likely to be overturned based on what we've all learned over the past week. and i just think this legal tug of war is never going to and if this is gonna be our continued approach and if it's gonna create a public health crisis as i said.

>> just to be clear, you don't support overturning roe v. wade in 2016, i'm trying to get clarity. >> i do not think that that is the way for the country to move forward on this issue. i think the way to move forward is found in data that says very clearly that we make long term reversible contraceptive, or contraception in general more available the abortion rate finds. we should do more to support women and families and children, less judgment and more compassion, let's let linda helping hand in these ways and that's what actually lowers the abortion right in america. and it's a more comprehensive approach to life that respects the lies of the mothers, the unborn, and really everyone. >> so, last caution based on what you just said, i think they know the answer this but about to ask you but again, clarity from sure democrats in utah watching, mitch mcconnell is saying that there will be a vote on a national abortion law, or there might be, that's where

we're going if he is the senate majority leader at roe v. wade is overturned. let's say you win your election, congratulations, you're the junior senator from utah, how will you vote on that, on a national abortion ban in the senate, yes or no? >> well, it's the kind of man we're seeing proposed and passed around the country, which is absolutely -- then i would be no vote against that. >> evan mcmullin, thank you for coming on the show tonight. i appreciate. >> thank you. >> coming up next, covid isn't over cases are on the rise again in america just surpassed a devastating death toll.

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said to remind, the tragedy, 1 million is a statistic. i couldn't help but think of that quote as the united states crossed 1 million covid deaths earlier this week according to data compiled by nbc news. 1 million people dead from the coronavirus. the highest recorded death toll of any country on earth. here in america. the richest, most powerful, most scientifically advanced country in the history of the world. and yet, 1 million dead. and no one really seems to care anymore. it's not getting, and let's be honest, was never going to get the same courage or shock value that 100,000 people dead got from some of our politicians back in mid 2020. we've moved on. covid's over. the pandemic silver. 2021. so what if covid-19 is still killing. right now, on average, 400 americans every day? so would've just over two years, a brand new and deadly virus

killed over 1 million americans total long ago, overtaking the number of americans killed in the civil war and a little more than those killed in world war i, world war ii and the vietnam war combined. so wet if much of that mass death was preventable with hundreds of thousands of those that americans could've been saved? if more people had masks or more people had gotten vaccinated? the party that calls itself pro-life didn't and still doesn't give a damn about people dying from covid. they're much more concerned about personal liberty, my body, my choice when it comes to masks and vaccines, but not of course when it comes to abortion rights. so wet if 1 million dead americans means 200,000 orphaned american children? children who will never get a normal life back again. look, the pandemic, and then we're almost criminal mishandling of it will go down as one of the great tragedies of american history. 1 million americans cannot be

treated as a mere statistic. these are people you and i knew. individuals with lives, stories, hopes, dreams, men, women, husbands, fathers, wives, grandparents, siblings, children, toddlers, infants. but hey, at least those millions americans did not die in vain. at least we used that tragic death to fix our broken health care system. to invest in pandemic preparedness. to help vaccinate the rest of the world! wait. we didn't do any of that. joining me after the break to talk about all of this and more is perhaps the most -- the atlantic's ed young, and much of this year wrote a piece headlined, how did this many deaths become normal? how indeed? the first dara brown is here with the headlines. hello, dara. >> hello, there are many. thank you so much. these are stories that we are looking at this hour. president biden and other g8

seven leaders had a virtual meeting sunday morning. the ukrainian president zelenskyy was also present. discussions focused on support for ukraine as well as a new round of sanctions that will be imposed against russia. and first lady, doctor joe biden made a surprising trip in ukraine where she met with the ukrainian lady -- she told zelenskyy she wanted to visit specifically on mother's day. a character actor has died. he was best known for his role in twin peaks. he also had a prolific television career in his home country of canada. he was 80 years old. more of the mehdi hasan show after the break.

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the atlantic piece i mentioned a moment ago headline how that this many that become normal? the pulitzer prize journalist

ed yang, thank you for joining me. more than 1 million people have died in america and that is a conservative estimate. you wrote in your atlantic essay that every american who died in covid left an average of -- bereaved. how did this many deaths become normal? how do you reconcile this? >> i think some factors about the pandemic lends itself towards itself -- the ruin inflicts -- it's painfully obvious there's 9 million grieve hours. i look at my window and things like normal, but of course the world is not normal. it has profoundly changed. the deaths did not, before the country randomly, they were disproportionately concentrated -- immunocompromised and sick people. brown people, elderly people. groups of people and society who seem to be incredibly willing to marginalize of the

best of times and especially when it comes to sickness and death. one problem, i think, has been that academics and medical interventions flowing in the opposite directions. academics mid -- hit the marginalized first and flown into society last. medical interventions flowed upward so people of power and privilege and when he had easy access to vaccines and drugs, and then move on. that is when i think has happened. the more powerful, -- the pandemic is over because they feel safe with no regard for the cumulative costs of 1 million deaths or the people who continue to bear the brunt of the risks that remain. >> yes, well put. just building on that, why do you think we haven't seen memorials from those people who have died in the same way we have warmer morals or statues to make major historic events memorable over decades? are we brushing this entire

pandemic, this enormous death toll under the carpet of the country? are we doing it with only or unwittingly? >> i think a bit of both. i think unwittingly, because in failure breeds fatalism. we are this most powerful country in the world. it's really fail to control the pandemic over the course of two and a half years. of two successive administrations, and i don't blame people for saying what am i meant to do? shouldn't we try to move past this? but of course, the pandemic is still going on, and i think there is a bit of winning -- there is the facts that if we ignore these deaths, it becomes most convenient to moving on without seeking accountability for all the mistakes that led to this toll. i think that one source of hope for me, is that many grassroots groups that have sprung up in the wake of the pandemic, groups like march for covid and

others, people who were representing people who bore the brunt of these losses are unwilling to let us collectively forget they are pushing for memorial days. tangible, permanent memorials. they're pushing for us all to recognize that yes, 1 million people died. 9 million people more are grieving them. more people have long covid, and other long term disability as a result. we cannot simply go back to normal, because so much of the country has no more normal to return to. >> indeed. -- you wrote to grapple with the aftermath of a disaster, there must be an aftermath. but the coronavirus pandemic is still ongoing. with hundreds of americans still dying every day, but i guess as you mentioned earlier, if you are rich, if you are vaccinated, if you are white, you feel more secure, or safe, it doesn't really affect you that much anymore. relatively speaking, he never really did. hits brown and black people as you mentioned before, poor

folks that suffered disproportionately. i wonder frankly isn't that a big part of our -- indifference to the death toll, that when we talk about -- it's a number, it's statistics. it's hard to imagine, but when you talk about individual people well, you think maybe people -- ? >> yeah, i think so in the most generous of turn protection if you don't personally know people who died, you might think it's not what they do, but also we know it highlighting these inequities knows people go off personally affected by them switch off. that is a moral travesty, it's one that's incredibly counterproductive because we know that those inequalities, if left unaddressed will combat the next time, the next virus, the next pandemic. we see this over the decades, inequalities are left unaddressed, even though

medical progress has made, even though the pathogen might change, it means that we continually stay in the state of unpreparedness and neglect. >> i want to come back to unpreparedness in a moment, it's fascinating that we spent 18 years prior to the pandemic talking about 3000 americans dead on one day, turn the world upside down, get out of a civil liberties for that we're losing more than 3000 people a day at one point during the pandemic, they were collective shrugs. let me ask you this ad, we know the failures and crimes of the trump administration when it comes to the pandemic. how would you rate handling of covid by the biden administration? that's warning of 100 million infections in the fall this year, at the same time hey, it's up to you to deal with this. it's all about evaluating individual risk now. >> yeah, they've done very poorly, they've done poorly that a lot of people have hope

for, i know that there were hard tail ones to fly into, but nonetheless we, and people that i talk to warn that the biden administration that you cannot simply put all your eggs in the basket, miraculous that marvelous before the reasons i've described because they most readily go to people with the most privileged and power, they can't be relied upon to just and -- we need measures to protect the health of large groups of people en masse. that's what public health is about, we need better ventilation, testing earlier on, things like paid sick leave, better access to health care, but many of those measures were pumped by the wayside in favor of this -- and that caused cost us dearly, the trump and -- same ideas that the previous administration felt prey to the individualism that runs rampant

in american paul pitcher, we say it's now become this question a protector self, do whatever you need to do to manage your own rosc, which is just a nonsense for an infectious disease, because they spread, they obviously spread. that's why health is in hand the hands of your choices, choices of everyone -- we're all connected and to think of this slowly as a matter of individuals acting on their own, is just a nonsense, it's not gonna work, and it hasn't worked. >> it's called public health for a reason, last clip in question, and you're famous for having a debate about the a pandemic coming back in 2018, not covid, it was ignored that warning -- their latest atlantic warns of multiple pandemics coming together in the future saying thanks to climate change quote, for the world viruses, this is a time of unprecedented opportunity. we have 30 seconds left, how

far away are we from war multiple climate change induced pandemics in your view? >> sources say the risk is present, it shuffle the world animals and their viruses around, it means that the risk of what we've just faced is higher than it's ever been. and that's why we need to prepare, we need to reduce those inequities, we need to strengthen ourselves for what is to come, because frankly it's already here. >> ed young, i appreciate your reporting, thank you for coming on the show tonight. >> thank you mehdi, take care. >> coming up next, congresswoman barbara lee is here to discuss -- on roe and her own pre-road day abortion, plus you can now listen to the many hassan show on the go, anytime, free wherever you get your podcasts. er you get your podcasts

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legal aspect, historians, and scholars i want to focus in on one of those experts cited by alito. some matthew hail, a 17th century jurist, illegal senate hail more than 100 times and for him as one of the eminent common law authorities, that is quite the recommendation it sounds like we should look at his resume to see why hail is so chair midas alito. michael hit -- includes having at least two women executed for witchcraft. -- marital rape exemptions, and populating capital punishment for children as young as 14. that's if that's not bad illegal thought would help bolster his argument, his -- what lies ahead showed roe form in june. we don't have to look all the way back to the 17th century before 1973 women in america struggle to obtain a legal abortion, and one president knows the reality of pre-roe america all too well is california democratic congresswoman barbara lee who

shared the story of her quote unquote back alley abortion in mexico at age 16. congresswoman lee who's the chair of the pro-choice caucus in the house, joins me now, congresswoman thing welcome back to the show, you've spoken very passionately, very briefly about your own pre-road day abortion youth, experience that climate for hand. what kind of area to sam alito and his fellow conservative justices want to take america back to? >> thank you very much mattie, for having me this evening. what they're demonstrating is they're extremists, they're radical, and having an abortion, abortion access is a personal decision that people need to make the reason why i never talked about it until the most recent draconian measures, in the states, was because it was my own personal decision. it was nobody else's decision that's exactly what it should be, no one should decide what i'm going to do with my health

care and with my body. so, this is about alito and what he has written in this leaked opinion and we do need to remember though that abortions are still legal, some around minding people of that. but what he has shown i once again is that he's extreme, he's trying to take away our personal liberties, our personal freedoms, and our bodily autonomy, and we're not gonna stand for that. we're gonna organize, we're gonna get very active, and we're gonna fight and make sure that we lacked officials as a state at the federal level who are poor reproductive freedom. >> congresswoman, i want to read on the part of samuel alito's opinion, an addendum, page 34 in which he says quote, nearly 1 million were seeking to adopt children in 2002, whereas the domestic supply of infants relinquished at birth or within the first month of life and available to adopt have become virtually nonexistent. i mean, it's a line that sounds like a nose came straight out

of -- handmaids tail. what do you make of a little referring to children as a commodity, part of the u.s. supply chain? >> first of all, it's outrageous, that's the first thing, but again it's a demonstration of how why elections are so important, secondly it's a demonstration once again going back to republicans and how extreme and how radical they are when you read what he is right and you think you are in the dark ages. and so, i need to say that the house -- abortion access into law. this has become a very political struggle, we saw it coming, and we're gonna fight to make sure that there is access to reproductive health including abortions. and right now, then you can read part of what he's read in, the extremism shows that most republican support the

prohibition of abortion access even in the cases of incest, health risks, or rape. and again, their extreme and radical. >> congresswoman, democrats have said in recent days that you need to vote democratic in november in order to save abortion rights, and yet at the same time members of the party leadership nancy pelosi, jim clyburn or, have both endorsed texas democratic congressman henry cuellar and antiabortion democrat's primary race how, you square those two? things >> first of all the public matty, you know 70% of the public supports abortion access. it's not controversial, voters decide who they're going to a lacked. i can't decide who's gonna support whom but i can tell you one thing, our democratic needs to stand before a party, as a party of freedom for people who

want to exercise their constitutional rights to abortion care, their rights to vote, i mean this is a slippery slope when you see what is happening with regard to this leaked supreme court opinion. so, the democratic party, the public 70% of the public support access to legal abortion. >> you're right about that, you're right about the percentages, your position as i'm just wondering what do you say to a voter who here is nancy pelosi, jim climates a vote democrat to save abortion rights, but then see them in the same way endorsing an antiabortion democrat? >> i'm not commenting on people who endorse other candidates, what i'm saying is the public's gonna decide and philip who they're gonna represent that, the camera -- supported the around them that they support candidates who support reproductive liberties, personal liberties, one

allowing lives people to make their own health care decisions, and the personal decisions that have an abortion so be it, that's where voters are, so the voters, i need to be leave them. i need to trust the voters, and they're gonna vote for who they are thick is protecting their personal autonomy, they're independent decisions to make, to make their own health care, whatever they decide is what should be, not politicians, not jurist, no one but themselves. >> congresswoman barbara lee of california, we'll leave it here, thank you for coming on the show tonight. i appreciate. it >> thank you. >> coming up republicans are tying themselves not into re-brand the supreme court leak as the real american insurrection. i'll show you why that's disingenuous nonsense, don't get away, you don't want to miss this. sense, don't get away, you don't want t

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we'll be right here yuppie -- you can find the show on msnbc and on peacock as well. it's part of the new experience on peacock. you could stream some of your favorite msnbc shows on the man. you can find the msnbc app through browse and screen my show anytime. the money hasn't shown peacock. we post every evening monday through thursday. now it's time to hand it over to my friend eamonn. ayman, just a few weeks ago, we were talking about how defending ukraine is not the

same thing as defeating russia. when does not necessarily require the other. you and i were warning against the u.s. getting involved in an afghanistan style proxy war against russia that could increase the chance of nuclear war. some people didn't like we had to say. they thought we were saying, we were exaggerating that this was a proxy war. we were misrepresenting it. but i want to listen to democratic -- some moulton speaking on fox the other day. >> at the end of the day, we've got to realize we are a war. we're not just that were to support the ukrainians, we are fundamentally at war through proxy with russia. it's important that we win. >> ayman, i don't know about you, but when i see anonymous u.s. officials telling the new york times that helping ukrainians kill russian generals, i worry we were ratcheting up the prospects and not just the direct america russia war, but a direct america russian nuclear war. >> yeah, maybe, i'm right there with you. it is safe to say that america's goals in ukraine

right bestie voting, if not worse expanding beyond just helping ukrainians defend themselves as we heard there. sadly, this new reality could have dangerous consequences as you just mentioned with the threat of nuclear war, because it seems that there are more and more calls by current and past american officials and figures to change the nature of america's involvement. let me play with you with a former defensive retirees, cia the rector said about america's involvement in russia. >> we are engaged in a conflict here. it's a proxy war with russia, whether we say so we're not. that effectively is what is going on. so take that. it's not just him. we have jen psaki saying the u.s. was seeking russia strategic defeat, others want to see russia weekend, and as you mentioned, leaks to the new york times suggests that the u.s. is providing consequential intel to ukrainians and it could potentially go beyond that. graham for example has this way. graham wants americans goal to

be the removal of vladimir putin. earlier today he said if putin is still standing after all of this, and the world is going to be a very dark place, and then he goes on to say so let's take out putin by helping ukraine. i'm right there with you. i'm worried, has this involved and expanding into a proxy world where this u.s. is setting its sights on more than just defending ukraine but going up to russia directly? >> i get why people want to go after russia. russia is doing awful things. i was opposing what amir putin in chechnya back when the american president in the british prime minister were sucking up to vladimir putin. but the point is, it's probably not wise to give a paranoid unstable aggressive ought -- to use them. >> no, you're absolutely right. let's just hope that the war and sooner. many, good to see you my friend. i was a privilege or. great show is always. >> thanks. i was a privilege or great

tomorrow's mother is where you wanted to be one or not. [laughs] >> now 85 it wasn't so real speak with congresswoman and that burying about protecting women's rights, this day and every day, plus should conservatives of the supreme court be investigating for a lying? from the trump white house from shooting missiles to mexico to trump's obsession with an army colonel, while we're just learning about his turbulent time in office. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's get started. all right so as a parent one of your few goals is to make a better life for your children than the one you had, but today on mother's day, many parents across the country are