share with the journalist but he refuses to share that knowledge. e refuses to share that knowledge. good to be with you. i'm katy tur. it is day 75 of russia's war on ukraine and here's what we know right now. it is a solemn day in both russia and ukraine, a day that would usually be celebrated with some semblance of unity but not now. may 9th, the day the soviet union claimed victory over the nazis in world war ii was reframed today by vladimir putin, reframed as a fight against fascism. he slammed ukrainians as nazis

trying to bolster his moves by preying on russia's bloody memory of the last world war. his troops were storming the azovstal steel plant. russian forces staged a victory day parade there where troops lured b.c.'s residents to mariupol's town square with promises of food. still, vladimir putin is facing tough resistance across ukraine. according to a senior u.s. defense official, putin's progress in the donbas is somewhat anemic. russia continues to rely on air assaults. an air strike on a school in the east may have killed as many as 60 people. the united nations confirmed, 3,381 civilians, including 235 children have been killed since the start of the war while warning the real toll is likely

far higher. and the u.n.'s top human rights body says it will hold another emergency debate to discuss possible war crimes. joining me is kelly cobiella in dnipro. kelly, it is a solemn day, may 9th, the day the soviet union defeated the nazis. usually in ukraine there are celebrations today. what is it like there today as now they are being attacked by their neighbors? >> reporter: look, this should be a day when ukraine is observing that solemn date in history, but instead this is a country at war. and, yes, there were moments of people stopping to remember, to think about world war ii and the end of world war ii, but, you know, war and fighting and violence is very much on the forefront of people's minds here. you mentioned the school which was hit over the weekend.

that was supposed to be a shelter. there were some 90 people taking shelter in the basement and other parts of that school when a russian missile struck on a saturday afternoon. you know, the regional governor there said that they had actually had to pull back today from the site of that school. they are not able to look through the rubble to find the bodies of the dead, recover the dead because there is still fighting going on in that area, they had to pull back because of russian attacks. so these are the kinds of things happening, you know, in many parts of the country where there is active fighting, particularly in the east. we believe some 60 people may have been killed in that strike on a school, making it one of the deadliest attacks on civilians since the war started. katie, we actually spoke to a fighter, who was in the hospital. it's not often that we get

access to ukrainian fighters, particularly injured fighters. we were told not to film the outside of the hospital. the doctor was sort of off limits in term of an interview. we asked him how he was injured and he said that he was trying to help civilians get out of their homes after they had been bombed and he and his fellow fighters then came under attack by the russians. i asked him, i said you've been on the battlefield, we've heard the reports of what it's like. what have you seen? he said the russian forces, he said i've seen it with my own eyes. the russian forces don't discriminate between civilian and military targets. they don't target military sites, they just flatten everything. he's 40 years old, former telecoms worker, father of two, married. he wasn't a soldier before this war started and i asked him when you're better, are you going back into the battlefield and he said absolutely yes.

katy. >> wow. let's talk about the resolve that ukrainians are -- the resolve the ukraines now. igor, it's day 75, a solemn day. are you seeing any fatigue from ukrainian soldiers or any desire or any ebbing of the desire to continue this war? >> well, we're fighting for our homeland so i don't think we'll see that fatigue. and to be honest for us, today was somewhat positive. look, if you pay attention to what russia was showing us today for a regime that thrives on that symbolism, it was an embarrassing day. there was no flyover. that was cancelled for whatever reason. they claimed the weather but definitely wasn't the weather. there were no threats, there were no ultimatums, there were no declarations of victory, no threats of nuclear strikes and

nothing happened out of the ordinary. i mean, this war is horrible but nothing out of the ordinary happened yesterday or today so far. so, you know, if that is a sign that the tides are turning? probably. but most likely what we see now is that russia is finally accepting that there is no blitz, they're going to turn it into a war of attrition and more likely the focus will be on the east and the sought of ukraine. odesa being the main targets for the missiles at the moment. i was. >> going to ask you about odesa. what are they experiencing right now and what are they preparing for? >> they're pretty much experiencing the same thing that we experienced in kyiv a few months back. the only defense being there are no russian troops a few kilometers away from odesa.

yesterday a hotel was destroyed, i took part in one i.t. conference not so far back. they're trying to scare the population into leaving. once again, today so far has been a positive day. the only kind of dangerous thing that i'm seeing is that putin is obviously shocked, embarrassed and he doesn't know what to do. so he's going to have to channel that anger somewhere. and we might see some really dramatic missile strikes over the next few days. with that exception, so far there are certain positives that we can focus on. >> so ukraine has applied from membership in the eu and today president macron of france said it will likely take decades, dashing the hopes of ukrainians joining any sort of swift fashion. what is your reaction to that?

>> my reaction is incredibly simple. if today was february 23rd and we had to use our normal bureaucracy to depict a leader for ukraine to fight against russia, using the usual methodologies that were used, the bureaucratic, you know, strategies and so on and so forth, do you think zelenskyy would even make it a interview in that particular selection process? i think it's not going to take that. i think the world would need to adapt and september that everything has changed from february 24th. we've seen that immune system response from the european bureaucracy but i think we're going to go past that stage. >> how do you feel about the senior u.s. officials that have visited ukraine, most notably the first lady who was there over the weekend? >> it was incredibly heroic. most people are thinking since kyiv is not under attack from

the ground the war is over. it's not. it's a very dangerous situation. and for somebody that high up to kind of gather that strained come into a country that is fighting an

it says the war start in 1934 but it was 1939 when the soviets colluded with hitler to divide poland and other countries so it's not surprising that you're going to see that anger on a day

like today. >> and also, i want to ask you about the eu membership. president macron saying again today it will take decades. what does that mean for ukraine's ability to wage its war or to defend itself in russia's war against ukraine? >> you know, honestly i don't understand what that comment is supposed to achieve. maybe it's true? i don't want to guess it. but why, why in the middle of this war, when the ukrainians are fighting for their freedom, for europeans' freedom, for people around the world, would you say it's going to take decades? that must be for domestic political purposes, i hope, because it does not serve the interest of trying to help the ukrainians win this war. you don't need to say that at this time. >> ambassador michael, thank you as always for joining us. >> sure, thanks for having me. ahead, stand up and be counted. what senate democrats are trying

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a vote on making access to abortion a federal law will hit the senate floor this week. majority leader chuck schumer, who does not have the 60 votes needed to pass abortion legislation says in light of the leaked scotus draft decision overturning roe v. wade, every senator needs to stand up and be counted. >> it would be one of the worst decisions that the supreme court has ever issued. it would mean that our children would have less rights than our parents. that is simply unamerican and we will vote on wednesday and every

american will see how every senator stands. they can't duck it anymore. >> joining me now is nbc news senior national political reporter sahil kapur. seems like they're focusing now on the mid terms in november and democrats believe this could be an issue that saves their chances. >> that's right, katy. all 50 republicans as well as joe manchin. the senator from pennsylvania said he won't filibuster the vote but he's not a supporter of the bill. they max out at 48 vote. the mid-term election is the one high card the democrats have to play. they see the poll numbers that show a wide majority of this country supports their view that roe v. wade should be mostly --

or abortion rights should be mostly or entirely legal on the federal level. speaker pelosi put out a document that reads like an advice document. "republicans have made clear that their goal will be to seek to criminalize abortion nationwide. they will take aim at additional basic human rights." she seems to be referring to the rights of same-sex marriage and rights of contraception which have been theorized of possible targets of the 6-3 supreme court. >> are republicans worried about this? when they talked about the leaked draft, they didn't focus on the fact of the draft but more than it was leaked. >> republicans prefer to run the mid-term election on issues

where president biden's numbers are weak. they want it to be on immigration, crime and the reality is they will have to discussion abortion to an extent. we recently heard mitch mcconnell telling his moment state paper that it's a possibility that congress will consider an abortion ban. so in the past republicans have looked at a 20-week abortion ban, some want to go further than that. there is somewhat of an inconsistency in the rhetoric versus reality here. the rhetoric is it goes to congress. or they can ban abortion partially or entirely nationally. >> if mitch mcconnell is suggesting that a federal abortion ban was possible, why would he say that to his hometown paper knowing that that would get national attention if some republicans feel like talking about abortion is just

not great for them in the mid terms? >> reporter: well, he was asked the question then at some point he is going to have to address it. what he said was -- and there is, by the way, seemingly a cottage industry of twitter debating the meaning of the word possibility, whether he's saying it's actually going to happen or whether he's just stating technically that congress can do it. but mcconnell did say it's very clear where every senate republican stands on this. all but two of them, susan collins and lisa murkowski support restrictions on abortion and anti-abortion activists have fought for decades to get to this point. they're not simply going to back down and walk away or let their republicans legislators in congress and the house and the senate stop fighting now. it's certainly going to come up again and republicans senators i spoke to last week said a push is inevitable. where it goes is less clear because there is that 60-vote hurdle to pass any major

legislation regarding abortion. mcconnell has said if he's majority leader again, that filibuster on the legislative front is hear to stay. republicans are going to have to gain a lot of seats in order to pass major abortion restrictions. >> murkowski and collins, if this bill is brought to the floor and there's a vote, even though it won't pass, where do we expect they might fall on this? >> they will vote with the rest of their party to block this bill. murkowski and collins have put out their own narrower bill that would codify the protections of roe v. wade but it has some exemptions which reproductive rights advocates say are gaping loopholes that weaken this to the point where it's no longer a robust protection. so their view is that if congress wants to codify roe v. wade do it in a narrower manner, don't add additional protections on regulations and providers,

which does go beyond precedent but that does not seem to have more than two votes. democrats want a more aggressive version of this bill and murkowski and collin, as they are in the past, are likely to vote with the rest of the party to block this from going forward. >> thank you very much. coming up, what one west virginia mother is trying to do to revive the child tax credit. plus, whether you're flying or driving or staying home, summer goes prices are going to hit you hard. how much higher will they go? next. how much higher will they go next [bacon sizzles] ♪ [electronic music plays] ♪ woo! bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms.

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it hurts out there finding -- forget finding a cheaper gas station. gas prices are about to hit an all-time record high. according to triple a, the national average for gallon of regular gas is $4.32, just one cent less than the all-time highs set on march 11th. jacob ward, in california you've probably seen prices quite a bit higher than $4.32. i'm looking behind you and, oh

boy, they are quite a bit higher. >> reporter: that's right. if you pull a full-size suv or pickup truck into this gas station, you're going to be spending over $100 to fill the tank. for so many people that is really the difference between being in the black and being in the red on a weekly basis. we're looking here at of course the free market. this is the prememorial day period when gas prices are different higher anyway, gas companies know they can get more money out of customers. we looking at an international picture in which the war in ukraine has entirely disrupted the macro economics that create the demand and the supply. the ceo of shell reported its absolutely highest ever record profits this quarter and he specifically cited the di rupgs of the war in ukraine as affecting the macro economic picture. so we're really looking here at an unprecedented experience in

which people are going to be the difference of being profitable or not, making money or losing money based on what it costs to put money into their cars at gas stations like these, katy. >> you're saying the ceo of shell recorded the highest properties of all time. who are people blaming? are they blaming the war on ukraine, vladimir putin, president biden, are they blaming the oil companies who are making tons of money right now? >> reporter: well, there is a lot of blame to go around. if you take any individual slice of the picture, you can get a pretty clear sense of cause and effect. together it has a tremendous effect. production of oil, during the pandemic, oil companies decided to slow down production, shut down some wells. it turns down it's very difficult and expensive to start that production back up. as a result you have companies choosing to perhaps put their money into dividends and

buybacks. that's what investors have been promised. you're seeing these record profits, you're seeing not immediate plans to fire up production again. that is constraining things. that's just one slice of it. if you also look at ukraine, russia, germany announce being it's going to try and get out of buying gas from russia entirely at a time it cannot switch to renewables as fast as it would need to. it's all adding up for people on a moment-by-moment basis, taking money out of their pockets. >> and democratic leaders in congress and the white house are making another run at joe manchin to pass parts of president biden's agenda. and manchin says he is still interested but according to reporting from nbc news, it is up to leadership to once again come to him with a new bill. one thing that could still be a deal breaker, the child tax credit. build back better had a

permanent, tension of that credit, which would have helped 93% of children in manchin's home state. dasha, you spoke to one mother who is trying to find a way to get it reinstated. >> reporter: katy, that's right. a new study reveals just how much families relied on the child tax credit. the data revealed that families who received those payments saw food insufficiency decline by 26%. since those payments stopped, though, food insufficiency has increased by 12%. we're talking food, basics, feeding your kid. we went to west virginia, senator manchin's states and spoke to single mom about what

those payments meant to her, what happened when they stopped. kristen oleson is a single mom to three boys. her youngest is 4. last year kristen felt like she had room in her budget to give george opportunities. today is a different story. >> all of our bills keep going up, gas, utilities, water. my rent went up $75 a month in january. food. so then they take that $300 away. >> reporter: they are among 36 million families who received the expanded child tax credit in 2021. when the payments stopped in january, the struggle starred. >> we've been finding clothes giveaways. >> you took advantage of food pantries, too. is that your first time? >> yes. and i've struggled before being

a single mom but it got to the point where we had no food. >> reporter: they found the advanced child credit payments led to a reduction in food sufficiency and economic discrepancy. >> what we saw was a 12% increase in food insufficiency for families. the fact that we saw a significant reduction in food insecurity really speaks to the fact that people were using this to afford basic needs. >> i didn't used to have to pinch pennies like this. >> kristen lives in west virginia where 93% of children

qualified for the child tax credit. they haven't received a payment since december. chris's senator, joe manchin was the lone democrat to stand in the way, saying he views the credit as a disincentive to work. >> i've been basically very clear on that. i think there should be a work requirement. >> reporter: and privately saying he worried people were using the money to buy drugs. for chris, who works multiple jobs, that hurt to hear. >> it's saying your children aren't worth it. >> reporter: what would getting the child tax credit back mean for your son george? >> it would mean going back to jujitsu, easier school clothes, it would mean better, new sneakers. >> reporter: lawmakers are working to pass a slimmed down version of the build back better

agenda. payments like the tax child credit payments are contributing to inflation because of increased spending. parents like chris are looking for relief more than ever when it seems less likely they'll get it from washington. >> the work, the side hustles, all of it. all of the hustle that you put in every day to provide for him, what do you hope that turns into? >> i just want him to know that he has the power to, you know, live his best life. >> and, katy, the study also revealed some disparities in which families received those payments. for example, latino families were less likely to receive the payments of families of other races, families with immigrant mothers less likely to receive the payments and families without bank accounts saw disparities as well. something that lawmakers would want to address, however with a bitterly divided congress, a lot

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act, which sets framework for the responsibility of the platforms, for the content and the principle is very, very simple. it simply meant the principle which is illegal offline in daily life is illegal online. and at the same time, the digital markets act, which is more on the economy and competition side to ensure fair competition and the conditions for innovation for smaller companies. >> some of this is to try to address just all of the lies and the disinformation that pop up online. france dealt with this during their elections, the russian disinformation campaign to come in and try to outcome of the election, much as we dealt with it here in the united states back in 2015 and 2016. yet at the same time the eu is

only hiring 230 new workers to do this and critics say that's just not enough people to meet the problem and to adequately enforce this law. >> obviously this will be a very important side of the implementation, but this regulation is first complementary to other regulations more specific, which already exist, either eu or national. for instance, there is already an eu regulation to prevent the dissemination of terrorist contents online. so this new regulation is a framework one and of course is there to enforce the responsibility of the platforms themselves. it's for them to do their job with monitoring by the european commission. so it is not about a european administration doing all the job. it will be of course a

combination of a lot of efforts. and i must say that since i took already the example of the fight against terrorist contents, we have been starting this corporation between platforms and governments quite a number of years ago. so this new regulation, which is a framework, will -- before it happens it accelerate the prevention of illegal content being disseminated on the platforms. >> so illegal content being illegal in the eu and 6% of the company's annual global revenue, which is quite a bit of money for violating any of this. i've heard also it said that this would enforce the same rules basically anywhere else in the world, the united states, you can't build one platform with one specific set of users

and one specific set of rules for just the european union and then a different set for the united states. so this would by its design snowball and affect markets everywhere. >> well, we'll see. i must say that the first regulation, which has existed i mentioned already on privacy, the european union was the first to regulate this subject in such a way. and again, these two regulations the european makes first. but i also observe living here in the united states that the issues which are covered by the digital services act are very much also covered by the debate in the u.s. we have quite a lot of similar con accepts. for instance, cyber bullying, i mentioned the fight against terrorism, but there are many, many other protections of

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have been exposed and for some reason aren't getting it? >> yeah, i'm one of those people. i have definitely had exposures, especially early on. so who knows? maybe i'll qualify for some of the studies going on. there's two challenges. number one, we don't have this great test that can tell you 100% to the time that you had a past infection. so there might be people who think they have never had an infection and they have. and number two, you have to assess how risky the environment that people have been in, who have not had covid. the most risky is when you have a close household member and it's a child that you can't isolate from, those people that have not been infected are a very strong, never covid group that researchers are trying to study around the world. and they have a couple of hypotheses about what might be happening, but we need to see what happens and determine if

these hypotheses bear true. >> so i feel like you're telling me to find a research team, because my husband had it, my kids had it, we didn't isolate, i didn't get it. i went to the white house correspondent's dinner, i didn't get it. a sinus infection knocked me out cold for a week, but covid not yet. and i test regularly, so i don't think i've missed an infection. you have a lot of people who are whispering to each other trying to figure out why they haven't gotten it, and people are pointing to blood type is. that something researchers are looking at? >> yeah, people are looking at blood type. we did see some trends in particular blood types potentially having a less chance. early on, we talked about gender and we thought there was a difference initially between men and women. some of those differences, omicron has changed the game because it's so infectious. the leading hypothesis now today are some cross immunities from

previous infections with coronavirus, not covid, but coronavirus causes the common cold and sinus infections. or second, some sort of genetic predisposition. something that gives me and you a genetic advantage, where the spike protein on the virus can't attach and replicate as well as it can on others. receptors, all sorts of reasons that could be happening. sit critical, because this could help immunocompromised people where they have a high degree of exposure. but not many resources because they don't respond to vaccines, as well. >> if you identify what make ascertain set of people immune to this virus, how does that translate into trying to help others? >> yeah. so what's incredible has just been the advances in genetic technology over the last decade for a number of diseases. if this were to be some genetic mutation or set of mutations

that we would have that predispose us to not getting inif he coulded, that could be replicated and help people develop some of those same genetic similarities. on the other side, there could be advances in treatments. we have a number of therapies. you'll hear about gene therapies for other diseases. that could be another treatment if people were to get infected or if we could find out that people have the lack of a certain gene, that could help them, as well. so multiple aspects to finding treatments and prevention. >> really interesting. maybe we're just special. >> you are. >> that's a joke, a joke. thank you so much for joining us. i am frankly really interested to figure out what's going on. maybe i had it at one point and i didn't know about it. thank you for your time today. that is going to do it for me on

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