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help but notice that mitch mcconnell donned a tan suit as the weather turned nice here in d.c. reminding us, of course, that barack obama once wore a tan suit which the right turned into one of the biggest faux scandals of his presidency. here on "the beat" we stand up for a bipartisan right to go tan so you decide who wore it best, obama or mcconnell. that does it for me tonight. "the reidout" with joy reed with all of her fashion sense is up next. ♪♪ good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with republicans leaning in on dismantling a woman's right to choose. we face the first big test tomorrow in the political fight for abortion rights when the u.s. senate will vote on legislation to codify those rights into law. the legislation, however, lacks the 60 votes needed to defeat a senate filibuster and is expected to fail. this is a moment of real fear and confusion, heartbreak for millions of americans who stand
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on the brink of having their bodily autonomy snatched away from them. before the religious right, it's an excuse for celebration. it is the holy grail finally within reach, the culmination of its decades long battle to end abortion rights in america. in fact, the religious right is so entrenched in anti-abortion politics it's arguably their most defining issue. there's even an origin story about this movement being a reaction to the "roe v. wade" decision in 1973. but that's what they want you to think. it's a myth, a hoax, a lie. back in 2014 dartmouth historian randal bomber did a deep dive into the real origins of the religious right. he also revisited the topic in a piece that dropped today. as he notes, before and for several years after roe, evangelicals were overwhelmingly indifferent to the subject of abortion which they considered to be a catholic issue. according to experts featured in
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the pbs special "god in america," even famed teleadvantage rift pat robertson and jerry falwell, the founder of the moral majority, had very little interest in the issue. >> it was catholic leaders more than evangelicals at the beginning who were most concerned about "roe v. wade." in fact, pat robertson kind of famously said after the -- the decision was issued that it wasn't necessarily a big concern of his. >> dad was the one who talked jerry falwell personally into taking a stand on abortion. before that jerry falwell said that's a catholic issue, nothing to do with us. why would i want to take a stand on that? i'm just a preacher. i want to talk about the gospel. >> keep in mind, evangelical christians were largely apolitical back then. the co-founder of the heritage founder and at architect of the religious right, well, he wanted to change that. as balmer, the historian explains, the hypothetical moral majority needed a catalyst around which to rally.
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ryrick kicked around pornography, prayer in schools and even abortion. the galvanizing issue would not be abortion, not yet. it was, in fact, an organized fight to protect christian schools from racial integration, that's right. it was school segregation, not abortion that brought white evangelical christians to the polls. their activism emerged after another supreme court decision brown versus the board of education which changed the law not racism so white parents were take their kids out of integrated schools, particularly in the south and putting them into private schools, segregation academies, as they were labeled. decades later religious leaders blamed fellow evangelical and democratic president jimmy carter for irs actions that removed tax breaks previously enjoyed by those private schools that failed to integrate. though the policy was mandated, in fact by nixon, but as balmer notes, defending school segregation really wasn't the best look for a movement
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ostensibly based on christ's teachings so evangelical leaders searched for a more palatable rallying cry, the key issue that would unite evangelicals around the republican party. that issue would become abortion. five years later roe -- five years later after roe jerry falwell gave his very first anti-abortion speech during the mid-term election year of 1978. the work of falwell and wyrick continued with a fever pitch leading up to the 1980 presidential election and a movement was born. >> abortion is not a roman catholic issue. it is a moral issue, an issue that concerns the human rights of unborn babies who by the hundreds of thousands are being murdered in these united states of america. >> we're told about a woman's right to control her own body. but doesn't the unborn child have a higher right? and that is to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
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>> i am pro-life and i will be appointing pro-life judges. >> do you want to see the court overturn "roe v. wade." >> well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that's real -- that will happen. >> but the right knows how easy it is to be on the wrong end of the culture war which is why it wasn't enough to just sink its teeth into the republican party. they also had to stack the courts. pay attention to this name, leonard leo, vice president of the conservative federalist society whose list of potential justices, republican presidents including donald trump drew from time and time again during their presidencies. leo, according to his media guide, knew that the right had lost the culture wars on everything from segregation to contraception to abortion and liberalized hollywood, so the only way to impose the quote, unquote right thinking was to take the courts, and with his list, he and the republican party were perfectly positioned to cement a conservative
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majority to give the right everything they ever wanted, a repeal of the promise and progress of the 20th century. joining me now is senator sheldon whitehouse of rhode island who serves on the senate judiciary committee. senator, always good you have to on. you have been one of the lonely voices letting people know about leonard leo and trying to get people to focus on this man. you even had a chart up during the ketanji brown jackson hearings. talk about leonard leo's influence in essentially stealing the supreme court for the religious right. >> what they did, leonard leo was an operative of the federalist society, and what they did was they set up within the federalist society the selection process for at least the last three supreme court justices. i don't want to say that the
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federalist society decided it. i think the federalist society hosted it. we don't know who was in the room making the actual picks, but we do know that leonard leo was wired tight with don mcgahn, trump's white house counsel and mitch mcconnell who was breaking every possible supreme court rule in the senate to try to pack the court with his judges and that he has -- he had the intention to change the way the american courts cede basic rights, and he was going for the courts for exactly the reason you said which is that they had failed and failed and failed again in the democratic parts of the government. they had just been blown out. they hadn't been able to accomplish the extreme things they wanted so they were going to pack the courts with extremeists who would act i
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respective of public opinion. >> and, you know, the thing is what they did and as you said i'm glad they brought mitch mcconnell in this, this was the chicanery -- the mcconnell chicanery denying president barack obama his rightful -- his right to choose a member of the supreme court, not even giving a hearing to make garland at the time but also the lying. you know, these people were prepped very well to get up and say stare decisis and to lie and to pretend that they didn't have a pre-ordained mission to take down roe and i'm assuming also to take down the rules that made contraception illegal, eventually they will go for gay marriage. they will go for everything, because what wy ri ck really talked about is the fact they haven't been able to win these culture wars. people, not only do they want to take away from people who they think who have the wrong thinking but to give extra rights to a do have the right thinking, special rights to
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corporations, et cetera. brett kavanaugh is part of this decision. this guy was investigated for like four seconds by the fbi for a credible accusation of assault. you've been one of the senators who said that it was an inadequate investigation. were these people even properly vetted for lifetime seats on the court and i mean him specifically? >> brett kavanaugh was not properly vetted and we pretty well know it. we know that the fbi was not allowed to do a proper supplemental background investigation once this charge was raised. we know that the fbi very unusually became impervious to information. it was repelling people who were trying to bring it information about brett kavanaugh, and we know that when they finally had to give in and accept information they did that through a tip line and that the tip line violated the fbi's own
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tip line procedures and instead of being sent for investigation was sent to the white house for presumably a decent burial, so everything about the supplemental bi into dr. ford's basic allegations was tanked by the fbi which takes political pressure at highest levels. >> yeah. let me ask you very quickly before you go. you had ted cruz lie about the protesters who were front of the homes of some of these justices basically saying they are the real thugs and brutz, not the people on january 6th who he calls regular protests, but you have had serial violence. let me put up this violence. 11 murders, 26 attempted murders, 956 threats of harm, 624 stalking incidents, kidnappings, bombings, asons air, tempted bombings. these are things that have happened in front of clinics that are providing abortions. why is it that the supreme court has -- has essentially ratified idea that there needs to be the
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buffer zones get smaller and smaller around these clinics but the senate which can't do anything suddenly is passing extra protection for supreme court justices while stealing the rights of women. >> it was the u.s. attorney in rhode island at the time of the boston clinic shootings. somebody went into one clinic and murdered the receptionist, shot some other individuals and then went down the road to another clinic, murdered the receptionist there and shot some other individuals and then got away on the road, and i went down to our planned parenthood clinic in rhode island with our u.s. marshal and stood out front until we had police protection for that, so i remember very well the violence that was associated with those clinic protests, and you will have noticed that in the last supreme court hearing the republicans brought in a very sweet elderly
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lady to provide a narrative that everybody out front of the clinics was just providing love and support and compassion for people when i remember having to push those people back. i remember when people in pink t-shirts had to give people safe passage through the screaming crowds yelling murder, and it culminated in these -- in these shootings with two women murdered by this lunatic, so it was -- these were ugly times and to try to paper that over is really wrong. >> indeed. those ugly times are coming back tenfold. senator sheldon whitehouse, thanks for your time. with me is the president and ceo of planned parenthood federation of america. i want you to take us that because this pretense on the right, their talking point is to essentially say it's protesting
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against the theft of these rights that is the crime, not the theft of the rights. they want to us look away from that and to pay attention, to you know, women who are sitting outside with candles outside of, you know, kavanaugh's home or something like that, but let's put the numbers back up against. the amount of violence associated, this shift, this belated shift by the religious right to make abortion their manish u, it has come with violence and at great cost, including the cost of people's lives. your thoughts. >> look, absolutely. as senator whitehouse just indicated. planned parenthood knows full well what it's like to have protesters outside our doors and we know full well what it's like to care for many of the protesters who come inside our doors and then go back outside and protest. what we've seen just in the last nine months in particular with sb-8 in effect with the bounty hunting provision, the increased surveillance that patients are experiencing in park lots, taking the pictures with an iphone of your, you know, your license tags, the ways in which
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people are being treated just as they are trying to access care, you know, all of those things, i think they are trying to focus on i would say putting the focus on the leaked brief or a protester as opposed to the actual stealing of a constitutional right that as you've indicated has come from weaponizing, you know, rules changes norse to steal justices, delaying of votes in order to steal justices and now being in a place where you can actually steal a constitutional right in this moment. that's what we should be talking about right now. >> and the reality is that this movement grew out of a deeply segregationist movement and then belatedly latched on to abortion because it was better pr to be blunt. what does it mean that the victims of this ruling are going to be disproportionately the very same people who were subject to segregation, black and brown folks, indigenous
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people, people who have been beaten down over the course of the history that they no longer want us to learn and they have completely failed to change anyone's mind on abortion, almost anyone. if you look at the polling, pri, which is the best at pork the biggest polls. people do not -- people oppose overturning r o', and that means black protestants, white mainland perhaps, all americans, white catholics, hispanic catholics, even a plurality of white evangelicals don't want roe overturned. that is super minority position which is being imposed essentially by christian nationalists, five christian nationalists on the court. does it hit even differently to know that this has grown out of this essentially segregation movement? >> look, think it does, and i think it's completely consistent, right, with the segregation movement. we have seen essentially the same states that refuse to expand access to medicaid, states that have the most harshest abortion restriction
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are also the same states with, you know, some of the most disturbing maternal mortality rates for black communities, right, so -- so we are looking at kind of a trend of disvest and disrespect of communities of color. all the while what you see in this draft opinion, you see justice alito try to use the frame of, you know, isn't it great that plessy versus ferguson was overruled at one point and, you know, as a way to kind of gaslight us into believe they are actually civil rights heroes when in fact what they are doing is taking away a right that's incredibly important for black health care right now. it's just preposterous. >> how ironic that alito tries to put himself in the position of somebody who overturned press we he used the same reasoning as plessy. the plessy ruling said black people get to have no rights beca no right to abortion, therefore, he cannot have rights. he's making a plessy ruling
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almost spot on and then trying to disguise himself as the hero, throwing that cape on yourself does not make you a hero, sir, it makes you a thief. alexis mcgill johnson, thanks for being here. up next, it's primary state including in nebraska where the trump candidate for governor is accused of being a serial gopro and he should fit in just fine. and two republicans vying to be the top election officials, they believe the big lie and ted cruz is a horrible person. don't take from me. ask the parents of trevor reed who was recently released from russia no thanks to ted and america's top officials says pete will be not be satisfied, even if he takes control of the donbas region. what happens after that? "the reidout" continues after this. appens after that? "theei rdout" continues after this the unknown is not empty. it's a storm that crashes, and consumes, replacing thought with worry. but one thing can calm uncertainty.
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republican primaries today will test not just the former president's holds over the party but also the strength of his big lie in two of the reddest states. first up west virginia's republican-on-rope can battle for a newly drawn republican district pitting david mcginley is against congressman alex mooney who trump endorsed. mckinley's crimes included voting for biden's infrastructure bill and voting for a bipartisan trump commission. and trump's guy said january 6th was just a protest and it's insulting to label participants
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at domestic terrorist and the governor race is a three-way race. businessman charles herpster running against jim pillin endorsed by the outgoing republican governor and state senator brett lynn strom. trump's guy faces multiple allegations of groping, something he denies in trumpian fashion claiming the allegations are a hit job by his political opponents. he's also portrayed himself as the strich tim comparing his treatment to trump in 2016. remember the old grab him by the hooha imbrolgio that turned off not a single republican voter and to brett kavanaugh who was accused of groping a high school friend. will the republican party be a sanctuary for people accused of sexual misconduct and herbster also had a front row seat of the insurrection. there he is attending the rally on the ellipse and also present for a meeting at willard with
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the elder trump sons and rudy and the rest of the conspiracy theorists. if that isn't bad enough nebraska's secretary of state race is also a race to the bottom. the current secretary of state faces two election deniers. both claim the 2020 election was stolen from trump. so even though the current guy put in place things like new restrictions on drop boxes and absentee ballots in a state with no voting democrats, that's not enough for the other two guys since he's also told the truth that there was no evidence of widespread fraud in 2020. i'm joined now by michigan secretary of state joslyn benson and tom nichols, contributing writer for "the atlantic. request "i want to start with you, secretary benson because you're in thick of the fight. who controls the secretary of state's office controls the outcome predictably of the 2024 election. tell me about the risk in your state and who you're facing. >> well, i think it's clear that the chief election officer in the state has a responsibility to ensure no matter where somewhere lives or who they vote
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for or what the election of the election are they will stand, that the will of the people are protected. that's what i did in 2020 despite an unprecedented effort to block the will of the people. we stood firm and protected those results in terms of the highest turnout election that i've seen in the state. what happens if i'm not there and i'm replaced by my opponent. it means potentially not certifying election results, though valid, simply because she disagrees with them and may implement new voting rules to confuse voters about how to get the ballots and return them and we'll see also a potential increase in the use of these secretary of state platforms which are increasingly high profile to spread misinformation and lies as opposed to be truth-tellers which in an era of disinformation they were in we need to be able to rely on our chief election officers to tell the truth, not spread lies about who won and didn't win an election >> you know, tom, it's one thing in sali berisha where there's a detroit, right.
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we get their whole message here that we make sure that the black people don't pick another president. we've got to cut them off. but when this is happening in red, red, red states, states whoever the republican is going to win anyway, trump is going to win, there's a map showing where they are doing this and it's in a lot of states not in context. places like, you know, idaho and nebraska. we just talked about nebraska, places like arkansas, indiana, alabama, places that trump if he runs or whoever, you know, the republican nominee is in '24 is going to win. why are republicans doing this full-court press even in red states and states that are completely non-diverse where there isn't a detroit for them to try to steal? >> well, you said why are republicans doing this? this is the authoritarian movement that has taken over the republican party hunting down and pushing out the last few republicans who actually believe in things like the rule of law or the constitution or, you know, counting votes.
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this is the trumpist republican party purging the last republicans who might actually want to fairly and accurately report the voting, so, you know, that's what the country is going to be facing in a year in november and then two years after that, that's why the stakes are so high at the state and local levels where i think democrats really need to concentrate their efforts. i think there's always been a problem that democrats are very focused on the white house and national politics, but this, along with things like the roe repeal, those are all questions that are going to be fought out in statehouses, and democrats really need to pay attention to the statehouses because this is where the danger lies. >> i agree with that. i think the democrats have focused on the presidency and not much else, but why are they chasing the last of the well known republicans? i presume there's republican voters who are just like tax cut
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people. why are they so willing to suborn, staying with you, tom, to live with these people, some are kook ksz, come are qanon, running around saying the election was stolen in nebraska. do you think the election was stolen in nebraska? yeah, but they won. why are republican voters in your mind willing to go along with your stuff because they are? >> two reasons. one of them is plain negative partisanship which is i may not like these republicans, but they are not democrats, so, therefore, i'm going to vote for them because the only quality they need to have is not being the other party, and this actually afflicts both party, but the republicans now, it's become absolutely obsessive that -- that democrats are evil and they can't vote for them. they don't want to split tickets, so that's one explanation is that it's just purely negative partisanship. the other is that there is still this kind of spiteful resentful
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kind of voting among some republican voters who may say, yeah, that guy is crazy but it really annoys, you know, really annoys joy reid if i vote for that guy. really annoys my left wing neighbors. it really annoys people i don't like so there's some that have tribalism, and they say, yeah, they are craze, but, you know, there are still responsible people that will get things done at the top, and i think they -- the stories that are coming out of the trump white house and some of these trumpy state level officials that we're now finding out how close we came to a coup are getting drowned out by a lot of other things, and i think people are just convincing themselves that i can't vote for a democrat and these people annoy the kind of people i want to see be annoyed and it wasn't be so bad and they are deluding themselves and we're in for a hell of a time if that doesn't stop. >> i would argue that's not as true on the democratic side because i'm looking at you, tom,
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where democrats literally withdrew their candidate and said we'll vote for this very, very conservative mike lee, another insurrectionist gets out. armed briefeders surrounding the home of the secretary of state, the secretary of state surrounded your home. some carrying guns some carrying guns chanting stop the steal. this is not theoretical cuckooness. it's real. are you worried that republicans will be a national security risk and a security risk to people like you and to election workers, et cetera? >> yes. i think, know, one of the outgrowths of the misinformation, the lies, the unwillingness of some to accept that they lost an election has been violent rhetoric and ultimately violent threats and
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hateful attacks on myself and election officials at the local level. these are folks who simply, you know, just want to do our jobs. we all just want to make sure that government works for everyone and that elections are run fairly and safely and accessible to all and that we can trust results of the election and yet because of these lies, because of the deceit that many republican leaders who know better are feeding to many of their supporters who trust them, we see it growing into not just lies and misinformation and confusion about who won or lost an election but actual violent threats against most of white house are charged withed a minstringt process. i absolute licks vogt see an uptick in those threats. i'm already seeing them personally. others are as well, and that's going to carry us through 2024 but make no mistake. i started my career investigating white supremacist organizations in the deep south. threats against me or my family are scary and they are tough but they also embolden me to continue doing the work to
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protect democracy is. the work that voters expect of me and every election official in our state and in this country and we're going to keep doing that work and all of these threats will just embolden us more to stand guard over every voice and every voice in our state. >> very brave michigan secretary of state, who would have thought secretary of state has become the pivotal position in our democracy and tom nichols, listen, listen to tom. don't vote just to annoy me. my name is ironic. i'll be annoyed anyway. go vote for the person who won't destroy democracy. the father of the recently released prisoner trevor reed unloads on senator ted "cancun" cruz accusing him of nothing to do with trying to bring his son back. nothing to do with trying to bring his son back wealth is breaking ground on your biggest project yet.
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said cruz didn't do anything. he's an embarrassment to the state of texas. let me just say that. i don't care what or who runs again him. i will work for that campaign to defeat that son of a -- you get that idea. cruz's office told "the dallas morning news" his silence was out of concern of antagonizing strong man vladimir putin. well, how polite. that the does seem to be a trend among some in the new republican party, concerned not to anger the ex-kgb authoritarian communicator. take the president cruz enabled, president trump. you may remember this oval office photo five years ago. the smiling man next to trump is russian foreign minister sergei lavrov and we only have picture because russia's state news agency sent it out at the time. the russian photographer was the only one allowed in the meeting, in the oval office while u.s. journalists were kept out, strange, right. that was also the meeting where trump revealed highly classified information that was given to us
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going to end any time soon and could be headed to a more volatile and deadly phase. russia continues to bombard ukraine's forces in the east while firing several missiles at the key port city of odesa targeting hotels and even a shopping mall. ukranian and british officials warn that russia is rapidly expanding its stock of precision weapons and may not be able to quickly build more raising the risk of more imprecise rockets being used as the conflict grinds on. that could result in wider damage and more civilian deaths. grisly new discoveries of civilian losses are happening almost daily. in the kharkiv apartment building bodies were found in a building destroyed back in march and the house was supposed to be debating another $40 billion aid package but as per usual republicans are playing games and obstructing by attempting to adjourn for the day. sorry, ukraine, coming hours
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after speaker pelosi and other members of congress met with president biden in the situation room to update them on their recent trip to ukraine. joining me is former ambassador to russia ambassador mcfaul and james beardsley. ambassador, can you think of any reason why the u.s. congress would or should adjourn rather than pass this latest aid package? >> no, i can't. it's -- it's unexplainable. >> i do not understand why it should be delayed. >> jason beardsley, it seems to me there is currency in at least the perception. i get where we are, we have an
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authoritarian party that's attempting to govern alongside a flawed political party but the outside world, isn't there currency in the outside world viewing the u.s. has more or less aligned regardless of party on supporting ukraine and doesn't the opposite do some detriment? >> sure, but, you know. i'll take a departing view here and say there is some value in pausing or making sure that $40 billion that are triggered for there are actually, you know, administered properly. we've been in game already for a couple of months, and we really had an opportunity to get in front of the evasion supplying weapons before the breakout of hostilities was the best way to manufacture and make sure and train the people that were going to operate them. we're in the middle of hostilities so we have to pull ukranian troops out, train them on new equipment, foreign equipment and, again, if we wanted to do this the right way, the better way is when we had six months of intelligence leading up to the invasion, and we could have potentially avoid kind of this long drawn out campaign. all right.
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now that we're here, that $40 billion is about the same amount that the u.s. navy has budgeted to pran for ships over the next year and we're falling 50 ships short of that. our national defense strategy is larger than just this one campaign, and for the world, as you pointed out watching the united states, they should know unequivocally that we have supported zelenskyy with our $16 billion so far, other packages we're triggered so we're in this all the way. >> jason to that point, let me -- i'm going ask both of you this because what you just talked about, pulling ukranian troops out, training them, we're quipping them. here is what the fiona hill, those of who you will remember the whole mueller report and the goings on in the trump world. here's what she said about putin's view of the war. putin wants us to make in a proxy war and putin is still telling people outside of europe that this is just a repeat of cold war, nothing to look at here. this isn't a proxy war.
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it's a colonial land grab. in your view, and i'll start with you, ambassador mcfaul, anything that we're doing like training and equipping the ukranians, doesn't that give putin or isn't putin going to use that to continue his propaganda, that yeah, this is really a proxy war between russia and nato? >> yeah, he will, joy, without question but he's been saying that for 15, 20 years. even when i was the ambassador he was saying we're fight proxy wars against him so to those that believe him, those that live in his bubble of propaganda, they are going to believe him and those that are outside won't believe him. it's a lot like the supporters of mr. trump and not supporters of mr. trump. new information is not going to change that debate. >> yeah. >> but i do think it's important what fiona said about framing this as an imperial grab. i think some people think, oh, this is a proxy war between russia and the west and some
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people think that here in the united states, by the way. it's not true. this is putin trying to recolonize ukraine, so, remember, the soviet union collapsed. it was the last big empire around the world. we thought it was over. trying to bring back now the soviet empire, but the russian empire. and that's why, if we believe in the rules of the game, and international or durr, the house shall not annex their neighbor, and we have to defend that. and we have to defend then dependence of ukraine. i'm so that is bigger than ukraine. it's about what kind of international system we want to live in. >> jason, i think that's a point that everyone agrees to, but with the mean that he's failing to do that? putin cannot whatever grandiose goals that he wants.
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he ain't succeeding in those goals right now. what did you make of that subdued, even though looked like north korea with the big military parades, but putin hasn't been able to claim anything. no victory, not even in the donbas. but you think that means, and does that make him more or less dangerous? >> i actually think it was a good sign that he is somewhat restrained in a celebratory parade because he's got people around them that i put a lot of pressure on him. this is embarrassing, it's been humiliating. empire of russia's being dissolved. meanwhile, is trying to make a face saving theatrical parade in moscow welcome scripts are getting hammered on the ground in ukraine. any conscript this watching that video is gonna feel a lot worse today than they felt before seeing. so i think they did the best they can to try to put putin with a good spin on it, but this is been embarrassing from the outset. what i make of that is number one, joy, our intelligence organization and military leadership really should've seen this coming.
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the analysis that we're seeing now oftentimes on the ground, watching russia fail to multiple access fronts inside ukraine. taking kyiv, they couldn't do that. they just got pushback from kharkiv. they're trying to reposition from the east and take the donbas. none of that seems to be working for them. they've had bad logistics, bad leadership, no and silk or, the generals are getting killed in a rate that we haven't seen before. so all of this should have been assigned. the way to intervene in these was to get on the front side of this, and does less opportunity for the white house that don't let china be the next ukraine. get in front of these things. you can see the successes we've had. training ukrainians since 2014. we have flipped the tied to the stable and this occasion. >> we're gonna have you guys back to have more conversation about this. we appreciate you this evening. thank you both. and then when you wear, because if you're hankering for the good old days of authoritarian abuses, look no further in the
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somebody that period better than donald trump. philippine politicians. for the none then the modal ruled the philippines from 19 70 to 2 till the exile in 1986. for them and marcos maintained his grip on power by refusing to leave, and declaring martial law. during the time he suspended parliament, arrested opposition leaders, and imposed to a sponsorship on the media. they're craving greed was marked by then from the show collection, and his authoritarianism letter democratic uprising who ousted him from power out from the country. nbc's dennis murphy report on it back when ferdinand marcos died in 1989. >> little made it to the streets. too many filipinos lived in crushing poverty. meanwhile mark was as wife imelda almost a co-ruler spent millions on lavish buildings
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and antiques. marcos and his wife fled into exile in hawaii. filipino search through the abundant palace, staggered by the opulence. my mother's famous closet with 1000 pair of fruits. >> totally unforgivable. >> almost four decades later, filipinos they find a way to forgive that family. for the non marcos junior, who benefited from the roughly ten billion dollars that is fanciful from the country, has been elected president, alongside sarah, the daughter of the current president. who's under investigation by the international criminal court for his bloody drug war, which has publicly encourage people to kill drug smugglers. his daughter will serve as vice president. one of your probably wondering, what is the side of me? what just happened in the philippines should sever as a warning to democracy loving citizens around the globe.
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