eastern right here on msnbc. that does it for me. can you catch me on "american voices" weekends at 6:00 p.m. eastern, like tomorrow. "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. e tomorrow "the reidout" with joy reid is up next. ♪♪ >> good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with the threat to our democracy which runs right through the state of pennsylvania. this was the scene in the wee hours of the morning on january 7, 2021, hours after the attempted insurrection as 138 house republicans still voted to toss out pennsylvania's electoral votes. they failed, but now we are just days from the prospect that they could succeed in a different way. republican voters in the keystone state appear poised to nominate two of the most extreme candidates in the country in race for governor and senate. running for governor doug mastiano, the state senator who has risen to the top of the crowded field. his campaign fueled by his

full-throated embrace of the big lie of the his efforts to steal the election for donald trump were knot nothing short exhaustive. he was in regular communication with trump after the election and led the charge to create a slate of so-called alternate electors. mastiono attended the rally on january 6th and spent thousands of state senate campaign dollars to busing true believers for the event. he's been subpoenaed by the house january 6th committee over his involvement with the fake elector scheme. in short, he's a full-barone coup-supporting threat to democracy running for governor of the keystone state where the governor appoints the secretary of state meaning that he could set up a nightmare scenario in 2024. mastiano's hand picked secretary of state could just toss out as many votes as are necessary to hand the election to trump or desantis or whoever the republican nominee, is even if they lose the involvement after all, we learned this week that trump lawyer john eastman was advising another pennsylvania lawmaker to do just, that toss

out thousand of absentee votes to create new math. pennsylvania republicans are also in caniption in the senate race. kathy barnette, a self-professed ultra mager, who has risen in the polls fueled by her compelling personal story of being born in rural alabama in extreme poverty to a mother who was 11 years old and a victim of it rape. she's upending the race with tv doctor mehmet order and david mccormick who has tried to play up his maga bona fide with america first canned day. republicans are worried about her electability because she has an electronic trail of hideous tweets targeting lgbtk and

muslims. barnette asked twitter followers to pray as she was about to board a plain with a lensians, true story, but she's also been attacked from the right for her twitter posts confirming the existence of systemic racism. republicans are hand-wringing over the prospect of throwing away the seat being vie kated by tax cuts pat toomey. the big orange factor looming over it all is not with a caveat the former president released a statement saying kathy barnette will never be able to win the general election against the radical left democrats. she has many things in the past that has not been properly explained or vetted. he's one to talk. if able to do so she will have a wonderful future in the republican party. the current pick dr. oz is not running away with anything. he got booed by the crowd at a rally with trump last week. joining me now stewart stevens,

former chief strategist for mitt romney's 2012 campaign and senior adviser for the lincoln project. i'm going start with you, stuart. pens spence a potential negotiate mayor state, a state that was a reliable state for democrats from the late 1980s all the way until trump won it in a 2016 win, and now it's back to being seen as a very swingy state. it's got, you know, a retiring republican senator who is basically -- he was from the club for growth, a tax cut republican and now it's up in the air and it appears that the choices are crazy, crazier and craziest. is the issue here at least for the mitch mcconnell republicans, the only thing that matters for kate barbette is she hasn't voted to investigate for mitch mcconnell for senate majority leader if he becomes senate majority leader. how do you think this plays out? they all seem to be wild and the gubernatorial candidate is actually the most dangerous of

them? >> i think mastiano and barnette are going to win, and i don't think it's going to be particularly close for either one. what's playing out here is what happens with authoritarian movements. the most extreme gain momentum as they go on, and when you have sort of someone who thinks that they are in control like mitch mcconnell, this is just playing out again and again across different countries. germany is a perfect example. they can't stop what they unleash. they made this deal. they knew that they had lost contact with the working class white voters so they cut this deal with trump that they would go with him to get the voters back. they would play the race card to the nth degree and wave the bloody shirt and then forgot somehow that this happened. it doesn't work that way. once a major party embraces hate, history tells us it's a long and unfortunately often bloody path to going in a

different direction. >> you know, the irony is doing this, you know, you've seen republicans lean into trying to find black maga people as much as they can. they have done that in georgia, you know. kathy barnette offers up the same thing. she's extremely anti-abortion and super maga as she has said, but all of the stuff in her background seems to make her kind of targetable, you know, if pennsylvania voters, you know, are kind of swingy want somebody who isn't a complete radical and this is a pickup opportunity for democrats, so give me the kind of view from the other side because it's not like the democratic candidates are without flaws. i mean, right now the candidate who is in front, john fennerman, he's got issues, too. there was a 2013 incident where he allegedly pulled a gun on a black jogger that. sounds a lot like that horrible case that happened in jaffe. he was called upon to apologize by malcolm kenyatta, a state rep also running in that race. he didn't. it's like you don't have like

perfect candidate on the democratic side either so how does that play out in your view on that side? >> you know, joy, this is a very dangerous game of political russian roulette we're playing with our democracy. it's a blind spot. part of the reason, i know some democrats are saying this is kind of gone because if the gop nominates the radical extreme candidates it means we're more likely to hold in those states, but the problem is that folks like stuart stevens are no longer in the republican party. there's been a purge over these last few years which has allowed these extremist candidates to not be the extreme. these are mainstream in what is today's republican party. i remember in 2008 and '12 i was working on the obama gain and i will share you here. i breathed a sigh of relief when john mccain was nominated in '08 and mitt romney in '12 because the alternatives might have been muck bowe and rick strum in 2008

and 12. think how that would have been for the country. this is why i find this very problematic. there are no stuart steven types that are going to go in there and do what needs to be done to prevent these extremist candidates from getting on a ballot, and in a wave type of election which may be what's in store now, it doesn't matter how extreme the republican is. they will get in on the wave and then you have the blind spot to our democracy packed, if you will, and you have authoritarian fascists running and in control of the government, either in the house or in the senate. it's a terrifying prospect, joy. >> and the governor's mansion. in pennsylvania, stuart, it would be the perfect storm because in they're, i mean, the nightmare is that the republican governor of pennsylvania negates all the votes in philly saying we're wiping philadelphia off the map. we're not going to count a million of those votes so that whoever the republican is, donald trump or desantis whoever wins pennsylvania, that's it.

that's the ball game. you wind up then with the stolen election right out of a state that should be a swing state but it's no longer a swing state, right? it stops being a swing state the minute that republicans control that state so, you know, what do you make of the fact that the democratic candidate is likely to pay more for any of their flaws with a democratic base whether it's conor lamb who is uninspiring to a lot of people, whether it's, you know, fetterman, he'll pay more among black voters for his past and his flaws than kate barnette would pay for hers, right? mean, the problem is that the two bases are different in the way that they -- the level that they hold the candidates to? republicans just say are you a republican, fine? i'll vote for you. i don't care about your past >> you know, i think what happened in the pennsylvania senate race, republicans saw it as a classic murder-suicide pack. you have mccormick and odds, a

bills b, b kills a and c is the benefit. >> both are wealthy. they don't live in pennsylvania. they normally wouldn't have anything to do with donald trump. they are reasonable human beings who are forced to play a role for being unreasonable, and the voters can sense this. there's something up real about them. barnette knows this. this is what she's playing to. what she's saying is what she believes. it's not what a pollster remind her of her deeply held beliefs. this is what the republican party want. her idea that the extreme position on gay rights or abortion is a negative, no, it's a positive in the republican party now, as is her assertion that joe biden isn't really the president of the united states legally elected. >> you know, and it's interesting, fernand, because the one thing she would probably pay for if she were the nominee would be the video clips of her

saying that there really is synthetic racism and worrying about her son getting in confrontation with a police. that's what she would pay for. the rest of it, they don't care. want you to comment on that and comment a little bit on georgia, too, because you do see the norm core part of the republican party trying to weigh in in some of these states in georgia you do see even mike pence daring to defy trump and back brian kemp and some others jumping in there trying to say they want to keep kemp there because he's the least extreme of the choices, but they -- they don't have control of the base of the party, do they? the only thing that republicans are likely to pay for is something like kate barnette's views on race. that's the thing that she would pay for. >> exactly right, joy, but let me go back to a point you were raising earlier which i think is each more frightening. this idea that they are cherry picking and cultivating candidates of color in the case of georgia. we see it happening with herschel walker. >> yeah. >> you mentioned the example of

pennsylvania. in case, these are two african american candidates whose opinions do not represent anywhere near what the public opinion polls tells us is the consensus overwhelming majority, belief of what black americans believe let alone most americans, yet they are hiding behind this patina of the color of the candidacy to justify winning in races where they have radical outside-the-mainstream views, so, againishing i think it speaks to the bad faith and the sheer cynical politics that are being engaged in which the republican party to present these as mainstream candidates that reflect the views not just of in this case the black candidates in georgia but everywhere. some of these clips may make them less likely to win in the general, i think back it a clip that came out a couple of weeks before the november 2016 elections where someone said that we were going to grab women by the you know what and it did

nothing to stop them from capturing the most important office in the world, the presidency. >> yeah, indeed. stuart, you think of the senate as this sort of high -- sort of high-level political realm that people ascend to. they got marcia black bush in there, tommy tuberville, regular tea partiers out of the tea party, you know, parade in there. that level is not important anymore. you know, what's important is that they all ascribe to the big lie and that they all worship donald trump, and then you can pretty much be anything. they traded in doug jones, a literal civil rights hero saying we don't want him. we'll take that guy, right? that's where we are. judge roy moore, if only republicans would have been allowed to vote. he had 61% of the republican vote. your thoughts? i mean, it doesn't matter anymore. all that matters is winning. >> the republican party is not a governing party now. we can't really think of it in a

normal political context that we've known all our lives. it's -- it's really an authoritarian movement, and authoritarian movements are about power and at the root of it it's believed that you need these strong men or strong women in some cases because they know best. it's a very anti-democratic, very anti-american in the sense that we've known america movement, and what the ugly truth about donald trump, and i just go back to this again and again, he didn't change the republican party. he revealed the republican party. >> yeah, right. >> hand that's something very painful for a lot of to admit that worked in the party but i don't know any other intellectually honest conclusion. >> yeah. i could have gone through more, ron johnson, the lady who said she would be front page at a hang, a lynching. that's what the senate, is and mitch mcconnell thinks he can control that. he's only using it to stack the

supreme court. stuart stevens, fenand amandi, thanks for joining us. >> brittney griner will remain in a russian prison cell for one more month. it's clear she's a pawn in putin's war. so how do we get her home. >> reporter: plus, why is it so hard for democrat to muster up the level of outrage that requires the fight for our democracy. best selling novelist is here don wiz low is here and he's here to talk about it and louisiana republicans are suddenly realizing the heavy flies they would pay politically if they charge women with murder for having an abortion. stay with us. with murder for having an abortion stay with us

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of. it's been nearly three monies since russia detained wnba star brittney griner. today a judge extended her detention by another month. these are pictures of her leaving court today, handcuffed wearing an orange hoodie and her head down. a consular officer from the u.s. embassy in moscow was able to speak with greiner today and confirm that she is, quote, doing as well as can be expected during what can only be described as exceedingly difficult circumstances. earlier this month the state said the two-time olympic gold medalist was being wrongfully detained. greiner was arrested as a moscow airport in february accused of possessing vape car trings containing oil derived from cannabis. if convicted, she could face up to ten years in a russian prison. joining me now is a former

senior state department adviser and former state department director under president barack obama. thanks for being here. the fact that they are extending this detention for a month, it definitely raises the profile of this case and makes it more worrisome in a lot of ways. you know, we've all been kind of keeping a little bit mum a bit on brittney griner and not trying to turn her into, you know, even more valuable hostage, but it feels like that moment has passed. >> she's clearly an asset for the russians to try to use against the united states as they navigate this new space of the united states effectively being at war with russia despite the fact that technically putin invaded ukraine. we know the united states has supported ukraine with munitions, with drones, and now we are seeing that brittney griner, one of our star players, is being held effectively hostage in a russian prison. three months without trial, another month, four months before facing a judge. we haven't seen any evidence to

say that she was carrying marijuana, an offense in russia that who give her ten years in prison. we're now seeing that her families and lawyers are concern. they are raising the ante. the wnba itself is expected to soon launch a petition to gather more players in support of brittney griner because they are worried, not only about how she's doing but the fact that sports is now becoming a political pawn. >> well, clearly, you know, i think this is the end. i mean, russia is a pariah state. i don't see a whole lot of wnba players, let's just be honest because of economics and the pay disparity with nba players, that's why a lot of them play in the off-season in places like russia. i don't think that will be done anymore. what leverage does the u.s. have in right now, as you said, we are arming ukraine in a war against russia having invaded them. we did manage to get back trevor reed, the marine, so it is

possible. there are still back channels. what can the state department at this point do? >> russian state media is saying that there are negotiations going on back and forth and speaking to brittany's team earlier. that doesn't seem to be the case. they are trying use her as a pawn in some kind of discussion or negotiation and have leverage. now, the challenge is, of course, she's been in and out of that country for ten years. russians are probably not very happy that the woman who won russian team championships is not also in prison so this is an entirely different legal than what we've ben with charges against paul reed anders who were in prison for several years, accused of espionage and separating brittany as someone with deep russian connections, there's acknowledge thement

about the sports diplomacy. we're supposed to rise above the political tensions of moments of war. this is a different type of violation now that we can put at putin's feet. >> we haven't seen or heard much. i haven't heard anything from the kyrsten sinemas of the world, the senator from arizona where brittany plays. have wnba teammate or any teammates spoke out? >> we saw on tuesday that phoenix suns player chris paul entered the arena wearing a brittney griner shirt. we're seeing that the wnba has launched a campaign we are brittany pins that can be bought, and the proceeds can now go to the phoenix mission campaign so we're seeing the nba players stand up for their colleagues and their counterparts. the wnba players are planning to launch had a more active, proactive campaign as soon as next week because they are starting to see the risk is not

only to bg as they call her but to the rest of them and the continuation of -- >> having an lbgtq woman it makes it more complicated. we would certainly welcome any wnba official or player to talk about brittney griner. thanks for joining us to talk about this important topic. >> democrats trying to fine tune their messaging. six months x months e six months l six months e six months x six months ti six months on six months s six months six months six months six months six months six months c

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away.. with the republicans turning the mid-terms in a full-on culture war vowing to turn women's bodies into state property for the purpose of increasing the availability of infants, the democrats face the crucial task of managing their message in order to keep the autocrats from taking over. how can the typically urbane polite norm core party get it right? well, there is one person out there who seems to have an answer and his videos are getting millions of views.

>> republicans won't require a 12-year-old girl to wear a mask in school that may save her life and the lives of other children, but they will force her to keep a babe regardless of how she got pregnant, including rape and incest. >> i am a woman and i have a constitutional right to make decisions for my own body. >> our incredible journey is only just beginning. >> with me now is don winslow, novelist and author of the new "new york times" best-selling book "city on fire." don, so great to finally have you on. i've been wanting to talk to you on this show and real life for are a long time. thank you for being here. you know, i guess the biggest question i would have for you when you guys come up with these films which are brilliant and succinct and really send a powerful message, what is the goal of these films? is it -- are you preaching to the converted? is it about trying to convert people who are neutral on these

issues. what's your goal? >> it's all of the above, and thank you for having me, by the way. i watch you all the time. i'm thrilled to be on. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> all that. we want to motivate the base. we want to motivate people to get involved politically, to communicate, to donate in they have the resources to candidates and, of course, to get the vote out. on the other side we want to respond to the scurrilous attacks and lies that the republicans seem to feel perfectly free to launch at any point in time without fear of a counterattack. we counterattack. they are bullies. i think part of our job is to punch them in the nose metaphorically speaking. >> you know, it's interesting because i became a democrat at age 18 and frequently have been frustrated with the party. you know, i think a lot of their strategy is to kind of hide in the drapes and hope that the mean people won't get them, right, and i think that's just sort of generally they are. >> right. >> they are the nice guy party.

you tweeted something, that you know, to me kind of crystallizes that about the january 6th committee which i think is doing great work and it's a bipartisan committee. you right honestly who gives an "f" if the subpoenas are press didn't if you don't enforce them. do you think that the problem is they don't have a mess many a, don't know what the message is, or they are just trying to be too nice? >> they hit on it exactly. they know what the message, is and they certainly have a message. it's an important message but i'm afraid we always try to be too nice. we want to be reason. i with want to be polite. the other side is not playing that way, and sometimes i think it's an alley fight. we have to go into the alley, and as i've said before we have to stop wringing spoons to a knife fight. >> do you think at core that washington democrats, the d.c. democrats, see themselves as income an existential fight for democracy, or do you think by and large the democrats who kind of make decisions about what

that party is going to do and message think that this is basically just politics? >> i think they are coming to the realization rather quickly now that this is an existential fight for democracy. i certainly feel that way, and -- and when we try to do, you know, is we, and i mean shane salerno and i who did the vice today, i do the twitter, is to mobilize and say we can do things that the democratic politicians can't frankly. we can say things in a way that they can't because we're our own thing. we're not answerable to anybody so we can take those really tough positions and tough language, and that's what we're trying to do. >> let me play one more of these. this is another video that you all did and this is on ally alexander, one of the organizers of the insurrection. take a look. >> i'm the guy that came up with the idea of january 6th when i was talking with congressman gosar, congressman andy biggs and congressman mo brooks. >> have you -- do you think that what you're doing is changing

the way that democrats inside the party message, or do you think that they have a tendency to leave this kind of messaging to someone like you? you've had a very successful career which you have paused in order do this. do you think that they are leaving this kind of messaging up to you rather than doing it themselves in. >> i think they will start doing it themselves more. i think there's much more of an appetite for this. i think you saw state senator mcmorrow what i think is going to be a growing movement and appetite to speak in strong tough terms. if they won't do it, we will. >> lastly, what about republicans because there are some independents and republicans, i always think independents are republicans who don't want to be called republicans anymore. is your message designed to get to republicans who uncomfortable with where their party are now and independents as well, or are you really, really speaking mainly to the base of the democratic party? >> no, very, very much we're trying to get to those republicans who might want to

rebel against the trump wing of the party and also certainly to independents. you know, back during the presidential campaign we did a video in pennsylvania that got 10 million views. we did one in michigan that got another 10 million views. those were very much speaking to republicans and the independents, and i think they have their effect. >> don winslow, you're very good at this. i really appreciate you. it's been really interesting just watching your videos and watching how your mind works. it's really smart, and hopefully it's not even just about democrats anymore. this is literally about democracy or not democracy so hopefully people will listen. don winslow. appreciate you. republicans can't live up to the talking point of being compassionate consensus wilders on abortion. weird. back in a sec. s on abortion. weird. back in a sec. your projects done right

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for the supreme court on any issue to reach a decision contrary to public opinion, that's exactly what the supreme court is about. it's to protect basic rights even when majorities are in favor of something else. it happens all the time. >> that right there, legal, senate minority leader much mcconnell going through some serious mental gymnastics to support the supreme court's deeply unpopular draft opinion of roe. stripping women of their rights just their basic rights. if you don't like it, okay.

if you can't tell republicans are having a hard time figuring out just what to say and do now that they are the dog that caught the car. last week republicans running for senate were told to assure voters that they were the compassionate consensus builders and louisiana went ahead that would charge abortion as murder without the possibility of parole for women and their doctors. it could criminalize certain kinds of contraception and ivf. locking women up for life knot might not be a good idea politically. they rewrote their bill. the replacement bill is just as stringent anti-abortion. sets prison time and time for abortion providers, it could make some forms of birth control illegal in the 21st century. joining me now "new york times" columnist michelle goldberg and dino madalo. making the argument, you know, just because it's a minority opinion, that doesn't mean it's

bad. that's weird when you're stripping half the population of their votes. i mean, people didn't like brown v. board either. a lot of parents reacted to them by stripping their kids out of public school and demanding to get a tax break. that doesn't mean that segregation was right. your thoughts? >> well, i actually do think that they are correct that the supreme court doesn't necessarily depend for their legitimacy on majority support for their decisions. the problem is that you have layers upon layers upon layers of minority rule, right? you have these judges that were placed into their positions by presidents who didn't win the popular vote in many cases, saying have you states that are gerrymandered so often that each if people do oppose the incredibly stringent abortion bans it will be extremely difficult for a majority of the vote to translate into a majority of the legislature, so you have various institutions of american life that are kind of working undemocratically in many

instances to strip women of this fundamental liberty. >> you know, people imposing a religious dictat is like the taliban. i guess to mitch mcconnell, you know, they are the taliban. they are in charge. what are you going to do? >> by the way, the taliban sued the gop for infringement before the show. this is religious tyranny. these are people -- even the governor of oklahoma, the governor signed something that said these are my religious beliefs and then they don't take it the next step further, i'll make this the law of the land. i don't care what your religion is, i don't care with religious

liberty. i'm garrently live to my law enforcement congress will not establish any religion, that applies to stays, too. it's unconstitutional and un-american. for years muslims that we wanted to impose islamic sharia law. they didn't. they were projecting the whole time. the whole goal is the american taliban and now we've seen it come to life and the victims of women having the loss of self-determination and self-autonomy. >> yeah. by the way, that's also the literal plot of the "handmaid's" taeshlgs a strong extremist group imposes their first -- their old testament views on an entire country and by force makes people comply. let's go on to another woman, elise stefanik. she is the number three member of house leadership in this country. the republicans replaced liz cheney who whatever you think of her politics is a serious person with her. here's what she tweeted today. the white house, house de "ms."

and the usual pedo grifters are so out of touch with the american people that rather than present any plan of urgency to address the nationwide baby formula crisis, they double down on sending palettes of formula to the southern border. joe biden has no plan. i'll start with you first on this, michelle. she has combined qanon lies about the biden administration and an apparent desire to starve migrant children. she got the trifecta. your thoughts? >> well, i think it's worth taking it one by one. the qanon part is especially striking because it just goes to show i think something that will show up on the right as being so extreme that we'll think is so outside the bounds even of the trumpified republican father goes right from the fringes to the center kind of in the blink of an eye. there is nothing that is too extreme for this party. right. this is the number three person in the republican house leadership. a person who had a reputation as a moderate, someone who wanted

to build bridges to women. i mean, just four or five years ago, right, this change is so abrupt and that's just sort of how have to talk to maintain mother in what this power has become, and then there is this baby formula shortage which is extremely serious bull the idea this the problem behind the baby formula shortage is that undocumented immigrants are getting it all. it's both a lie and the idea that their answer is starve children in captivity i think shows you a lot about the pro-family -- the sort of moral basis of the pro-family party. >> this is why i don't call them pro-life, dean. i wasn't call them that. >> no. they are literally like starve the brown kids because the brown kids are the enemy, they are the problem. >> rook, i look at elise stefanik's twitter feed and i don't see her denouncing a former rnc staffer who was sentenced to 15 years in prison

for child pornography last month. where's that, the former gop staffer, when are they announcing that? remember, hillary clinton called them deplorable. she was being nice. okay. this is much worse. >> yes. >> this is despicable, to call your police cap opponents pedophile and the cruelty towards brown people. that just makes you a republican now. >> yeah. >> to me there's no bottom. i don't know how much deeper it gets. they will incite violence and they don't care and that's the worst part of this. >> it's insidious. i do want to talk about a woman and we'll stay with you for a second, deep. i've been thinking it got enough attention. we talked a little bit on this show, and this was the shooting death of shireen abu akleh. palestinian-american much like you, my friend and a really boss journalist, one of the most popular journalists at al jazeera and known around the world. her funeral was epic, one of the largest funerals at least according to some journalists there in palestine that has been

seen, right, and it was in jerusalem, and then this happened. members of the israeli security services or israeli police went after the -- they were literally carrying her casket. got set upon by police who hit her with batons, almost dropped a casket and can you see the melee here. the state captain has responded to t.antony blinken is very troubled and ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said this is unacceptable and called it a tragedy, her killing, and this woman was shot while being a reporter. what do you make of the kind of -- why, what do you make of the u.s. response? do you think it has been robust enough? >> no. it never is. palestinian lives barely matter when they are alive. rarely matter when they are dead. this woman was a christian and christian and muslims had come

together and palestinians to stand up for her. maybe some progressive jewish people there as well, but israeli police there, some of them on horseback, and were looking for trouble, and not only did they do what they did, you can watch the video closely. they were striking unarmed people in suits and ties who are lower the flags a threat to? nothing. it's a threat to some of the right-wing years there. on television shun here, this was one of the most egregious things i was ever seen in my life. i've seen a lot with the palestinian issue, and the israeli, not letting a woman be buried in peace be honored. there was no need for this, they were looking for trouble. i want an investigation. and with the shooting, we don't know who shot her. they say it was the israeli force. we need a real investigation. not the israeli military investigating, that's like

trump investigating january six, you can't let that happen. >> michelle, it feels like there's a sclerosis in american politics. well we've seen about ukraine, where it's like, yes one country should not occupy another country and fight them, right? and the people being occupied should fight them back. there isn't that moral clarity, obviously, in the middle east. it's a complicated situation. but it doesn't seem like the u.s. knows what to do, or even want to say one violence happens in the middle east. can you get to the bottom of why it does seem that way, and so difficult for the u.s. to respond? >> i cannot get to the bottom of the u.s. hypocrisy on israel and palestine in the length of a cable television segment. but i will say that we have a long history in this country of justifying of assuming that israel security is threatened, anything that israel does is justified. any overreaction, any

provocation. it's interesting that when you look at the israeli authorities statement about what happened, they said that the mourners were shouting. it was national incitement, right? just shouting slogans becomes a justification for this kind of attack. people i think who spent any time in the region know that one thing that is unique about the way these mourners were treated was that it was caught on film and broadcasted on american television. but i think, people and palestine are treated egregiously, very often. every day. and it's only quite recently that there is any space in our politics to discuss or denounced the. >> yeah, and i think the other elements here that we're talking about an american journalist. one would think that this is an issue that should be of importance to the american government. we need to protect our journalists, our people, and the palestinian people are human beings and deserve respect and deserve to bury

their dead. michelle and dean, stick with us, because we're gonna play our favorite game after the break, who won the week, that is next, don't go anywhere. break, who won the week, tha is

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once again time to play my favorite game who won the week? back with me, michelle goldberg, and dean. let's go to michelle first, michelle gilbert, but one of

the week? >> this is one of those weeks when i first impulse was that there were no winners of this week. but then i thought about the actor ben mckenzie, the one person in hollywood who has been out there warning everyone about crypto ponzi scheme's and scams and calling out other actors for hawking these extremely dubious financially speculative products, and the kind of crypto meltdown i think this week shows how right he was all along. and how brave you was to be out there alone when so many of us peers or trying to make a quick buck. >> -- it has been really wild to see the tanking of all of these cryptocurrencies. all the ones, and all the wealth that has been deleted. pretty crazy. dean good all of, you have a tough act to follow. who won the week? >> ben mackenzie and racial, and korean jean-pierre.

karine jean-pierre is officially the new press white house secretary. jen psaki was fabulous has signed off. and korean just to re-tweeted her sign off. so she's, there she is making history. first black woman, first openly gay, also, she's my friend. my friends the white house secretary! you're not cool that is? >> it is. >> she's been triggering the biggest on the right. and every time we trigger a bigot, an angel gets their wings. so she makes and angels to, it's a great week. >> i love korean. it's great when nice girls finish first, because she is genuinely one of the sweetest, kindest, most lovely people ever. jen psaki is awesome as well. they are both fabulous, but i'm so proud of karine. we love her, she's fabulous. my winner for who won the week is of course, the great diva, dolly parton. dolly parton wins the week just being dolly parton. but this, week she teamed with imagination library, that's her chaired t, that sends, books

our favorite thing. and we know bob banning us all the rage on the right here. in the united states. but dolley is sending books to refugee children, and the kids get a book every month until they are five years old. it is such a cool thing, and only dolly parton could make reading even cooler than already has. because you, know i love a library, so i love a books. we love you dolly parton, you on the week. you guys were amazing, and those tonight married on. all in with chris hayes starts right now. e tonight married on all in with tonight on all in. >> i don't see any scenario where kathy burnett can win a general election. >> the maga establishment turns on one of their own. >> president trump waited today. kathy barnett will never be able to win the general election. >> tonight, why fox news and donald trump are in a panic over a surgeon campaign and pennsylvania. then, -- >> we are seeking the truth, and we're not going to be