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being altered. entire cities, towns, villages, big and small, ruined and erased from the landscape. tens of thousands of people have been killed in the war. the top un rights official reported yesterday that the bodies of more than 1000 civilians have been so far recovered north of the capital of kyiv. it is a figure that is expected to rise. 700 were executed and others were shocked by snipers. another top un official reports says that almost 100 ukrainian children were killed in the month of april. millions of ukrainians are displaced within their country, while many more, millions more, refugees in other countries, mainly in poland, slovakia, hungary, moldova. in some cases, being a ukrainian refugee in russia appears more akin to being a prisoner. many were taken against their will with no documentation, and sent to camps across russia including in siberia, nowhere

near their homes. the ambassador to the organization of security and cooperation in europe reports that russian shull shippers have forced thousands of ukrainian civilians into these camps in russia through a filtration process. this involves beatings torture, and sexual violence and harassment. ukrainians who do not pass the filtration process are shot and killed, according to this official. the un is investigating dozens of reports of sexual violence by russian occupying troops including allegations by other officials where they were claiming that mothers were raped and for their children and children of the mothers. they are going on to the counteroffensive driving them out of the major city of kharkiv. the retreating russians are being repositioned to the fighting in the donbas. that is according to ukrainian and western officials. a ukrainian -- ukraine and russia are fully engaged in artillery warfare in

the donbas. russia is still two weeks behind its own schedule, making only incremental gains that are not significant. according to the ukrainian and uk defenceman histories, an entire russian battalion group and its bridging equipment was decimated by a ukrainian attack while trying to cross a river in the donbas. in the south of ukraine, russia continues to conduct sporadic strikes on the angel coastal city of odessa. senior defensive fischel says that russia has quote, no ability to threaten the city by ground or by amphibious assault. out in the black city, black sea in snake island, captured early on in the war, ukraine continues to conduct successful strikes using turkish drones on russian surface air missiles and landing ships. this gets to another consequence of the war. a severely altered positive step shun of the army and

technological capabilities. it has been exposed. the kremlin's campaign has been defined by bad planning, logistical disaster, setbacks, uncredited communications, outdated technology, equipment failures, and ukrainian counterattacks inside of russia. western officials say that russian troops continue to suffer severe morale issues with the senior defense official says that some are refusing to obey orders. this is not going unnoticed among russia's friends and foes alike. there are many geopolitical consequences. earlier this week, the uk defense secretary told reporters that china, russia's valid ally, that helps to spread propaganda about the war but does not offer strong support for it, appears to be increasingly embarrassed by russia's conduct. to bbeijing views moscow as an inconvenient friend. there are all the consequences

for nato, all of which are the exact opposite of putin's stated goals, desires and justification's for the unprovoked war in ukraine. put unanticipated a disjointed and desist interested -- this is been met with a rejuvenated alliance. some parties, notably joining me, are increasing defense spending while others like poland and slovakia are forging stronger and tighter bonds. putin's war has also brought about the very specific thing that he said, before the war, that he sought to prevent. this is the expansion of nato. sweden sweden and finland were are members of the eu and set to apply to join nato. this not only adds numbers to nato but it adds it hundred miles of countries with borders with russia. even though the u.s. and nato conduct training exercises with both sweden and finland, the consequences of the invasion

almost certainly would not be happening right now if not for the war. the new york times reports that 20% of fins were in favor of joining the alliance six months ago. now it is nearly 80%. as the finish ambassador told reporters on thursday, try to provoke and it has not changed to russia's actions at all. president biden spoke with the leaders of sweden and finland yesterday in the uk and u.s.. they have new deals to defend the countries if they are going to be attacked by russia during what could be a lengthy nato application process. there are other nature's -- nations that are taking a path forward. hungary, is publicly holding an eu embargo on russian oil. while india a u.s. and western ally and the largest democracy, the one that is quickly being led down a road of religious nationalism is taking a self centered approach using the word to its advantage and paying its price.

india gets most of the arms and equipment from russia. this is since the war has significantly improve increased the purchases of heavily discounted russian oil. the new policy has been summed up by the finance minister who stated, i would put my energy security first. if the fuel is available at a discount. why should i not buy it. india's over it interest is what has kept it in line. india can be taken king notice of another geo political figure in ukraine. the perception is that if they have nuclear arms rules not apply to the same way. to help us breakdown and understand the rapidly changing world and our geopolitical negotiations is bobby jones. and reveal our governor, the chief of foreign policy and an msnbc contributor. both gentlemen have worked in india. both are global politics and

geopolitical analysts. good morning to you, gentlemen. bobby, let me start at the north as we cover the whole world here. finland sweden wanted to join nato. this is not a weird consequence of what is going on. turkey a nato ally, getting in the way of this. >> turkey in the 11th hour says that it may have problems with finland and sweden joining nato. it might want to veto this process. the timing on turkey's announcement is suspicious. you we had weeks and weeks to express its opposition more forcefully and openly. they chose to do so after that the fans were going to make the application. after the biden administration okayed a 5 million-dollar sale of -- to turkey. there is a window of opportunity there. there's a sense that turkey wants to be talked down from this position. it is taking this position so that the other major allies and the europeans will make

concessions towards turkey in order to bring turkey in line with the rest of nato. >> i often said, if russia loses all of its friends, as long as it has china, it can probably sell enough oil and keep going. what do you make of china being dissatisfied with russia's performance and finding it to be an inconvenient threat? are there consequences to that? >> [inaudible] i was saying that china does not want to be seen as russia's only friend in this entire thing. it has been concerned, as you said earlier, and as the defensible disturb pointed out, china's surprise that russia has performed as poorly as it has. china does not want to be

associated with loss in this sense. it does not want to become a pariah. it observed the whole war closely and how it might apply to itself where it would want to invade taiwan in the future. not only that, i think the fact that how this impacts chinese relations with other countries and how they said on the part because they want to balance the relations with china and it is very important. china has been watching this closely. it is concerned. it does not want a world -- the world putin wants is a world of chaos. what china wants is a world that actually lives within the confines and abides by rules in international ward or accept like in america, it is not in control. china wants to be the real maker. >> bobby, let's talk about india.

whatever china does, there is a limited ability to provide pressure. india is different. india is a u.s. ally, a strong ally, it is a democracy, it is the biggest democracy, and it is very energy hungry. going down populous road itself, it finds itself on a fence here. >> yeah, most of the things you said about india are true they were also true during the cold war. it was the roller just a moxie and yet india managed to stay with what they would required as neutral or western countries will consider a tilt towards the -- not just india but a lot of countries that were members of the non aligned movement talk about cold war pass. we are trying essentially to return to those positions. india is trying, in a sense, to have its cake and eat it too.

they want to be completely neutral. it wants americans to be part of the american embrace. they want access to american technology american markets. it wants americas assistance in securing itself against the threat of china. so far it has paid no price for taking this position. it is getting cheaper gas and chief oil from the russians. americans are shaking their heads with disfavor. they are not punishing india. from india's position, why not go with this position? there are moral questions in there. he used to think of itself as representing a moral position and the world that we remember. that world and india no longer exists. this is a much more transactional and oriented attitude towards the world and towards the crises around us.

>> of these groups of countries that we are talking about whether it is turkey standing in the way of finland and sweden, china with an eye on taiwan, and a world order, or india which could move the needle if you decided to not purchase russian energy and arms. what can the u.s. do? what pleasure pressure can they apply? there are many other countries involved. india has the best chance to exercise influence. >> perhaps. for starters, one reason it has etched its bets between america and russia in this conflict, as bobby said, it's supplies two thirds of its arms from russia. it wants to have access to that and fair parts in the future. america can subsidize those forms. it could be easier for them to acquire the arms. that would be one way forward. there is other ways in which

america's could transition to cleaner energy and more fossil pollution that it regionally is. money talks. money helps. if you look at what india has been saying over the last few months, what it is doing is acting in itself which is to say that there is chip oil on the market why can we get it? what can we buy? that is what we are going to do. in a sense, it is not just india, it is much of the global south. these are all countries that say, why should we view with americas path just because they say so. we have to look out for our own interest. we do not want america to criticize us for our human rights record. then we have doubts about america's commitment. to if it says something, is it going to do it? if biden is not around in three years and someone else is in power what happens then? these are all concerns that the global south has. they are valid ones. i will say one more thing there.

in a post pandemic world, it is clear the countries in africa and asia, when they needed help, when they needed vaccines, they still feel like they do not get enough help from the west. when it comes to this moment, they see themselves as the rest. we >> this feels like a discussion we need to continue, and we will continue to have it because it's important. the editor and columnist for bloomberg opinion. robbie alcohol is the editor in chief of foreign policy. we have a workforce and economy based on american women's ability to come to work when they want. the fall of roe v. wade is not just an issue of women's autonomy and reproductive, writes it will have implications for the u.s. economy. and i want to speak with best spelling offer rj palacios, the graphic knowledge -- will tour to france and it has friendship and the power of kindness and a call for removal

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made in my home country of canada, 1000 unmarked grave sites in the remains of hundreds of indigenous children students who had been forced into so-called residential schools, which operated between 18 90s until around 1970. the government funded boarding schools were part of a canadian program to assimilate indigenous children and erase their cultures and languages. as the graves were being uncovered, the biden administration's new interior secretary was watching, and coincidentally, she had just become americas first native american cabinet secretary. deb haaland is a member of the pueblo of laguna. she's a 35th generation new mexican. she saw the atrocities in knew that they were not a limited to the to that side of the border

because of america well-documented missed treatment of native tribes from the varying section of these united states. also because of a deeply personal connection. secretary haaland wrote an op-ed in the washington post last year revealing that i am a product of these policies. my maternal grandparents were stolen from these families when there are only eight years old and were forced to live away from their parents, culture, and communities until they were 13. many children like them never made it back home. secretary haaland commissioned a report to investigate the abuses that occurred within america's federal indian boarding school system, and the lasting consequences. those findings are now out. the report estimates that thousands of native americans, native alaskans, and native hawaiian children died in the custody of federal indian boarding schools between 1819 and 1969. these were schools that were owned or supported by the american government. the report identified 53

schools who have marked or unmarked burial sites, and 500 deaths in 19 of those schools. but the officials say the investigation is far from over. they expect the number of deaths to rise to tens or hundreds of thousands, and many more burial sites. the numbers in this report are staggering, but the intent, that is the hard part. this was a deliberate effort by the american government to strip children from their families, destroy native, roots exploit, labor and western eyes native communities, diminishing their reliance on and relationship to the land to make that land easier for the government to swindled them out of. committed all under the guise of educating native children. let me realize you -- read you this portion of the report. the creation of the federal indian point school system as part of a broader policy at acquiring collective territories from indian tribes. and lands from individuals there in. from the earliest days of the,

republic the united states officially had an objective based on federal and other records, was to sever the cultural and economic connection between indian tribes, alaska native villages, native hawaiian community, and their territories. the simulation of indian children through the federal boarding school system was intentional, and part of the broader goal of territorial disposition for the expansion of the united states. let's not forget, these children were ripped from their tribes and families, sometimes number to see them again. these were not benevolent executions, the schools. the conditions and abuse that the children faced were horrific. the report says that rampant physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, disease, malnourishment, overcrowding, and like a health care in the boarding schools are well documented. the report found that the federal indian point school system deployed systematic militarized and identity alteration methodologies to attempt to assimilate the native children, including but

not limited to renaming indian children to english names, cutting the hair of indian children, discouraging in preventing the use of american indian, alaska native, in native hawaiian languages, religions, and cultural practices. and organizing indian and -- into units to perform military drills. this was a systematic erasure of native culture made possible through american laws and policies as demonstrated in this report. the consequences of these barbaric policies have lasted for generations. secretary haaland explain that in a washington post op-ed, that this attempt to wipe out native identity continues to manifest itself in the disparities our communities face, including long standing intergenerational trauma, cycles of violence and abuse, disappearance, premature, death in additional undocumented physiological and psychological impacts. america has come a long way. many of these police goals were

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and andy biggs of arizona, their testimony should the answer to the subpoenas, we join the likes of bill barr, ivanka trump, jared kushner, pat cipollone, and chief -- chief of staff mark short. we can't forget those who are subpoenaed or invited and refused to speak to the committee. rudy giuliani, former white house chief of staff mark meadows, deputy chief of staff dan scavino, steve bannon, alex jones, roger stone. the list goes on and on. the committees are looking for -- joining me now is political respondent for politico. thank you for being with us, betsy. what happens now? we have subpoenas for these five members of congress, and the committee has determined that they have the right to subpoena them.

>> without question, it's unprecedented. previously, the samples of the congressional committees that have subpoenaed members almost entirely committees that had the committee of policing congress, this committee of course is not a congressional policing body, but it is investigative body. the fact they called in all of these members including the republican house speaker, that is a major dramatic step. that is why took it so long to decide whether or not they will go further just politely asking these folks to come and talk to them. the biggest problem they face with this challenge, there's not a lot of tools at their disposal that they can use to try to compel these five members to come and quickly. the options, most of the options they have would take a lot of time.

for example, sending a referral to the justice department, and doj got the referral for mark meadows six months ago. they have not made any moves that we are aware of. the congressional committee can go to civil court. it took them two years to get him to play ball. he was a key mueller pro witness. two years is not enough time by any stretch of the imagination. the select committee feasibly to try to use congress's inherent powers of content to find these people or to force them off of the committees that they are on. that is a quicker and more nimble tool. of course it would also be quite escalatory but the fact that they may subpoena these folks is a dramatic explanation in and of itself. whether or not the committee is comfortable, not only issuing the subpoena, but following through with fines or with internal punitive steps, that is something we are having to grapple with right now.

early next, month they don't have that much time. >> i may ask you, though if they, don't let's assume everything you said comes to pass. these five members saying that were not showing, up with a hold out, we're going to run the clock. we have these public hearings starting in june, ninth does the committee depend on what they expect to get out of these five members? or not. just to make that one of the only case that they get to make to the american people about what happened on january six. >> there's no doubt that the committee is sitting on a massive treasure trove of information related to what happened to january six. this is a situation where two things are true. first, there is stuff that kevin mccarthy and jim jordan, scott perry now, and nobody else knows. the committee does not know that. second, at the same time, there's just a massive amount of information that the select committee has but the public does not have. one additional really big problem for them is just processing all of the information. we reported earlier this week

that the select committee has taken videotapes with a substantial portion of the interviews and depositions that they've held with witnesses, and that would come out to thousands and thousands of hours of video. it's people providing firsthand testimony of what they saw and experience grappled with andre new airy six. and it only has a few dozen staffers, and so how are you going to watch all of the video? oh you know which portions you won't want to release we take an army of librarians. they're still trying to gather information. >> let's see, we thank you as always for your analysis and great reporting. that's is a national correspondent for politico and an msnbc contributor. this is asian american pacific islander heritage. month, but it's not time to celebrate as the news is troubling for our friends and country mates.

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heritage month. it's the time where were meant to be celebrating the culture of our neighbors. nbc's vicky -- has more the recent report and the ongoing effort to turn around the uptick of violence. >> first viral videos were shocking at the start of the pandemic, other the agents attacked, and slowly spreading fear throughout the asian american community. two years later, the violence continues. >> reports of hate crimes are up across all minority groups, but according to the senate for the study of hate and extremism, asian americans are seeing the biggest spike. from 2020 to 2021, the number of anti asian incidents reported across major cities increase 224%. >> new york city making national headlines for brutal crimes against asians. nypd's chief of detectives james -- de leads the departments 4000 detectives, including the hate crime task force which is now under new leadership. he met us for an exclusive

interview from china town. this is where 35-year-old was followed home and murdered. >> one thing with the asian hate crimes more than any other group it is personal. they are getting punched in the face, they're being pushed. >> three months ago, they say a man attacks seven asian woman in a three hour period. he now faces 13 hate crime charges and his pled not guilty. >> how have you seen asian american community as out front with this? >> the asian community is very reserved, but never seen crimes like this against asian communities. it astronomically spiked. the chief encourages victims to come forward. >> we have spoken to people who said that they felt they were brushed off or discouraged from reporting the hate crime. are you concerned about that. >> from my perspective, when we get that case, we're gonna do a full investigation. >> what's your message to the

officers taking these reports? >> that will fall on to me. somebody comes to the police, they report, something everybody has to take it. if that is the case, we will do a hell of a lot better job. >> i had a chance to speak with actor and activist daniel dae kim. he is testifying before congress and's advisor on the asian american task force. >> recently, you talked about how you have noticed a lot of changes in the asian american community. how we have responded to the spike in anti asian sentiment. what's struck you about the communities response. >> first and foremost, we have galvanized in a way that i've never seen before. they have never had a greater number of donations than they had over the past year and a half or so. that's really encouraging. within the community, there's a sense that we are in this together. >> our thanks to nbc's vicky

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they may have consequences across each individual life affected. this is a warning express this week by the treasury speaker terry, janet yellen, the former chair of the federal reserve, first and only woman to hold either of those positions. >> i believe that eliminating the right of women to make decisions about when weathers have children would have very damaging facts on the economy and would set women back decades there many research settings that had been done over the years looking at the economic impacts of access or lack thereof and it makes clear the denying woman to abortion increases their odds of living and poverty 24 public assistance >> that is not can gesture. you know that she is really engaging texture and 12

documented that it is transformed women's roles in society. the data and that is clear, president by the supreme court in a brief followed by 154 economists who wrote, ample evidence presents that row is causally connected to women's advancements and social and economic life. abortion legalization had large effects on education, labor force participation, occupations, and earnings. moreover, abortion legalization has shaped families, and the circumstances into which children are born. research has shown that legalization of abortion led to the increased ability for women to plan whether or >> whether they want to get pregnant or not. look at, this rising from 43.3% in 1970, to 56.7% today. they've also leaked access to an increase in wages for women leader in their careers. it's also effected the teen

birth rate, which has been on a downward trend since 1970, and in steep decline since the 1990s, which there were record lows in recent years. as abortion became a safe and accessible option, fewer women had to forego higher education because ordinance in the pregnancy. therefore increasing their chances of pursuing a professional career as well is there any potential and making them less likely to fall below the poverty line. all of these things are intertwined with reproductive rights, and all of these issues will be affected before was overturned. there's much more at risk right now, and this one decision of the chance to reshape american society as we know it was, versus a new yorker sheila -- noted this week that based on the transcript, it appears that the chief justice did not even want to hear about the data and for women's roles in society. standing by, she joins me after this for this crucial conversation. conversation

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context of labor force participation feels catalyst to me. >> one aspect of a satisfying life is being able to feel that you have the financial resources to raise a child. there is a spill over into

labor force participation. it means that children will grow up in poverty and do worse themselves. >> thank you. >> i thought that was a useful exchange during an oversight hearing earlier this week during a republican congress man and treasury secretary, janet yellen, about the economic effect of abortion rights. joining me to continue this discussion is sheila, staff writer of the new yorker, author of the book a black edge. i get where tim scott was coming from, talking about abortion and women. a lot of things in economics seem callous to say. she made the argument that may seem callous to you but it is an element of what we have taken as freedom for this country. you're the winningest decide when she starts the career, when she ends the career, and when her career advances. that's not callous, this is fact. >> as the economist interviewed

said, the data is the data. you can have moral differences about abortion. we all understand it. justice is the sinus and the member opinions of the members of congress did not consider or acknowledge the data that reveals how this will affect women. the data is disturbing. they spent 98 pages of the draft opinion talk about the constitution, they talk about conception and the right to life but there's almost nothing about what this will look like in society other than a very cursory throwaway line about how there is widespread access to childcare, contraception, and paid family leave. the matter is not relevant. those, as we know, our full of assertions. there are no affordable chair childcare prices in this country. contraception is the target of abortion forces.

this country is the lowest out of all industrialized nations, in terms of providing paid family leave. they just decided that none of this matters. it is not even worth acknowledging. childcare and paid family leave are taken for granted. it is about a control as opposed to abortion. you could argue that there is contraception. people can use this to reduce teenage pregnancy and things like that. like you said, those are also being targeted. at some point, one has to wonder what's is about. the fantasy version of reality presented by the dog -- what is the fantasy version that justice alito's draft gets wrong about these relationship between women's rights. >> we all you live in this utopia where we can all follow my example. we have a spectacular career

and become a supreme court justice and also have many children and a rich family life. whether she is pointing out is that if you already white woman, you might be able to pull that off. one thing you might know is that eliminating safe legal action is going to hurt the most vulnerable women, low income women, and women of color. wealthy women, like justice barrett, will always get what they need whether it is childcare, time off from work, access to an abortion. you might need to travel or leave the country. because of lack of access to health care and other reasons, black women are more likely to experience on wanted pregnancies, child birth is more fraught. it is statistically dangerous for women to go through childbirth. it is a major major.

-- this was obtained by people below the poverty line. let's be honest about who is going to be affected, who's going to be hurt by this. >> when you say to people who say, sheila and janet yellen you are pointing out extreme scenarios. we will not have a direct relationship between the end of roe v. wade and women not participating in the workforce or drop into the 1970s levels. how do you make the argument that these are potentially real consequences we need to take into consideration? we cannot just ignore them. >> it is easily, actually. all you need to do is look at what happened after it became legalized in the 70s. it had drastic effect on the ages and circumstances under which women became mothers. it reduced teenaged mothers by a third. it reduced the number of women who had to get married in shotgun marriages by the fifth and women who were able, in those years after roe passed,

who were able to delay motherhood, as janet yellen pointed out, we're more likely to finish college, more likely to pursue graduate degrees, they had a longer time in the labor forced, they earned more money, they were less likely to be in poverty as elderly women. their children were less likely to grow up in poverty with all the other problems that spanned generations that come with that. all you need to do is look at the evidence we have. it is quite clear that it will be devastating. >> she loved, thanks as always. thanks for your writing and reporting. >> she's a staff writer for the new yorker. she's been following the story closely. straight ahead, breaking down what is behind inflation. what it means and what you need to know about it. we are talking about the plan that is unfolding in one state that is keeping abortion access in a post robe scenario. another hour of velshi begins right now.