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msnbc world headquarters. welcome to alex witt reports. breaking news, abortion rights advocates taking the street from coast to coast. demonstrations are tired bans off our bodies. it kicked off in the last hour. bringing thousands to the streets to demand protection of a woman's right to choose. advocates making their voices heard after senators fail to codify roe v. wade into law. >> our message is clear. we will see you in the streets and at the ballot box. we are not interested in compromising our fundamental rights and liberties. there is no compromising. an opposition wants this to be second-class citizens. >> look at how many of these rallies are planned across the country later today. you can't go very far without hitting one. that's for sure. two of the largest rallies we have nbc's and tonya hilton in washington, and --

>> antonio, the abortion rights protesters in a second hour at the national mall, how far are these activists to the expected reverse look row we wait. -- >> look alex, nobody have spoken to here today thinks that this rally will change the minds of the conservative justices, who see ready to overturn roe v. way. but they do want them to send them a message. that the women and men here are gonna keep fighting, and are gonna be coming out in d.c., but they also want to send a message to their national, state level representatives. -- they as voters are gonna expect them to take action to codify, to protect women's reproductive rights. many women have actually spoken here today, especially young women, said that this was a bit of a wake up call for them. while they knew this was warnings this could happen, hillary clinton was talking

about it since 2016, this leak decision came as a shock for them. it's reignited their political efforts. it's engage them with the current elections going on in the country right now. take a look at some of the conversations i've had with women. >> we are losing our rights of our own bodies. we are 2022's, we are losing our rights to our bodies. we need to get out and vote. that's the only way it's gonna change. >> if i can't protect myself, who is gonna protect me? i've lost faith in the system. i've lost faith in our representatives. i know there are some out that they're actually going out and looking out for us and they want us to have these rights and they want us to progress, but, it's all a political game. >> many of the women here say they are particularly concerned about poor women around the united states. abortion is not gonna. andes is not about the end of

abortion. this is about the end of safe abortion access. i've had a woman earlier who said about a back alley abortion she had a 13. the traumatic memory of being operated on by someone she wasn't sure that this person was a qualified medical professional. she's now in her late 60s. she's not worried about having children in the future, but she has children and grandchildren, and she wants to make sure they have access to the same thing she had access to, but in a safe setting. that's a lot of the conversation today. it's about poor women. it's about women of color. and with the circumstances may look like in the future. >> i don't know if i'm soon gonna forget that conversation you had the with the woman in the last hour. it was palpable which he was releasing for the first time to people, after decades of keeping that secret. it was frightening for her. a tough time. thank you for sharing that. and for this as well. as we go to nbc scott cohn,

who's in downtown los angeles. that's one abortion rights supporters are beginning to gather for their rally. what are you hearing from the demonstrations there? >> that theme of a wake up call is very much front and center in los angeles. abortion rights are in no jeopardy in california here. the -- proposed adding another $15 million to the state budget to serve than influx of women coming to the state if they were outlawed and other states. women say they are not only fighting for abortion rights, but also against some of the apathy that they say what got us here. >> i remember some of my friends who are a political going, oh it's not gonna be so bad. i want to look at them right down the, i is that that guys, it's not that guys. this is where we are. and i could've told you this is

where we're gonna be. >> if you live in a state that is a red state, you are not only not gonna be allowed to have an abortion, you could be criminalized for doing. so it's possible you could be arrested for trying, if you have the means to go to another state. if you order pills that and the pregnancy, you might even be able to be prosecuted by that. it's gonna go back to what it was before roe. >> the organizers say that they actually started planning for this well before the leaked draft opinion, now they say they're expecting as many as 50,000 people to show up in front of city hall in los angeles. not quite there yet. but this rally today is just now getting underway. alex. >> in fact, california is expected foreign and influx of people expecting abortions. -- thank you scott for that. we also new reaction from supreme court justice clarence

thomas on the bombshell draft leak that signaling the court could overturn roe v. wade. thomas condemned the leak, calling it an unthinkable breach of trust. >> it was beyond anyone's understanding, or at least anyone's imagination, that someone would do that. look where we are. we are now that trust, or that belief, is gone forever. the, when you lose that trust, especially in the institution that i'm in, it changes the institution fundamentally. you begin to look over your shoulder. it's like kind of an infidelity. that you can explain, but you can't undo. it >> joining me now is laura jacobson, law professor george washington university >> -- welcome. i'm glad to have you here. what did you think about justice thomas's comments right

there? when he talks about the fact that folks are gonna be looking over the shoulder, talk about the tenor of what things must be like amongst the supreme court justices? >> thanks for having me on. yes, the leak is extremely shocking. it is a fundamental breach of that confidentiality that everyone at the court, everyone who works at the court, undertakes to protect, in order to protect the legitimacy of the court. there have been leaks before. the nature of this leak, the leak of a whole draft opinion, is virtually unprecedented. but i do want to say, even more significant than the leak, is the radical nature of the opinion itself, which takes the most maximalist approach possible to overturning roe v. wade. if it stands, this opinion not only eliminates women's

long-standing rights to abortion, but potentially imperils any right not specifically delineated in the constitution, including privacy rights. like the right to contraception. the right to engage in consensual sexual relations in the privacy of the home and so on. >> something you just said they're made me think of this question. you said that they've k did a maximum approach. does that mean there is room for compromise before the end of june early july when the decision expected to come down? is there a way for them to backtrack somewhat, because what we saw in this leak was so extreme? >> so there is a way, but i think that the release of the opinion actually makes it less likely. part of what's confidentiality in the court decision-making process protects, is the ability of justices to refine

their approach. sometimes to change their vote. on a particular case. so for example, a narrower approach to this issue would be to uphold the restrictive mississippi law, but not overturn roe v. wade. but i don't think any of the justices in the majority are going to change their view. that's my personal view. >> on thursday, we know that all nine supreme court justices met for the very first time since that drops were made public. i don't meetings like this were not unique. but what it was the nature of this meeting? given the divide on the court, what do you think dominated the discussion? would they have talked about this? >> well, i really don't know. that's because those meetings are so private. again, that is in order to protect the confidentiality of justices deliberations. when they need to talk about cases and conference and other calm matters and conference, no

one is, there no notetaker, no law clerk, no secretary. the junior justice holds the door for the other justices and is the notetaker. that is to protect the confidentiality of that. i really can't speculate about how the conversation went. >> you're telling me that amy coney barrett is like the recording secretary for those meetings? >> yes, and justice jackson will be. right? that's how they do it. >> interesting. let me ask you if you have any idea how this could've gotten out? i'm not asking you to speculate on names for specifics on what job might have an access and done that, but in your mind, can you see how this got out? >> i don't want to speculate about that. as a law clerk, i like all law clerks, had to sign a confidentiality agreement.

>> either penalties for breaking that, for violating that agreement? >> well, there are most likely professional consequences. not only at the court, but beyond. it is considered a fundamental breach of professional ethics and professional responsibility to do that. just to give you an example. we were so careful, just to make sure that no stray remark could buy unintentionally get out, so that no one could understand what was going on with the pending cases. we were utterly meticulous about this. so for a whole draft opinion to leak like that, it was obviously deliberate, and it was an enormous breach of that confidentiality. >> laura, we are showing on the left side of the screen from, you pro abortion rights rallies that are taking place across the country. do you think these rallies will

or should influence the justices in any way before they hand out their decision? >> i personally think it's unlikely. but at the same time, i think these protests are tremendously important. an important exercise of free speech in a democracy. i just want to know that justice blackmon, for whom i clerked as well as justice breyer, who's the author of roe v. wade. he is to come out on the supreme court steps, on days when they were big protests, including roe v. wade. not many people would recognize him, he was very unassuming, he was very mild modern, shy person, but he would come out, there because he wanted to hear where people were thinking. he did not want to live in a bubble. i think that's admirable. i think it's really important for people to make their views known. >> i thank you for doing that as well. laura dickinson. i appreciate your time with us

on the broadcast. thank you. there is new nowhere today on how long the baby formula might last. it comes from someone who should know. we're gonna tell you what we learned about it next. learned about it next. to support heart and muscle health, and energy production that starts in your cells. address one of the root causes of aging with tru niagen, researched by the world's top scientific institutions. now to today's other big

breaking news story, the war in ukraine and a secret trip to kyiv by mitch mcconnell and the delegation of gop senators. president zelenskyy's office shared this of video of the greeting. new details this hour following putin's call with the president of finland today. he warned that win finland joining nato would be a mistake and there would be retaliation. this shows ukrainian forces training in the donie crow area of with arms supplied by allied forces. let's go live now with matt. what can you tell us? >> mitch mcconnell is just the latest u.s. political leader to

visit this country. he follows nancy pelosi's visit two weeks ago. we saw the first lady was here just recently for mother's day. this is probably going to go on and on. it is a real dedication. it is a great photo op for american politicians to show that they support ukraine and that there are barley partisan supports as we see this 40 billion aid package a stall in congress. this could be passed as early as next week. still, it shows that there are hiccups, there are some limits to the extent of which congress and the american people will support the ukrainian government, and the ukrainian military effort against russia. i want to take you down to the situation with finland. we just heard of course, the president of finland had a call on his own initiative with vladimir putin of russia. as you mentioned, the president warned that there could be ramifications if finland does decide to join nato. we also heard that sweden is also thinking and planning to

join nato as well. this would put a two major countries to russia's northwest in that alliance that putin said was the whole reason he invaded ukraine to begin. this goes to show, once again, putin's ambitions in ukraine are backfiring miserably against the kremlin. we did hear from the finish minister of foreign affairs and this is what he had to say about the call. >> today, our president called to inform that philonise proceeding towards nato membership. our parliament will discuss this item on monday. it is very likely that the strong majority in our parliament that supports mitt nato membership. we will submit the application in the coming week. >> nato's run on concession. we already heard from the turkish government that they are not big fans of sweden and finland joining nato. this is because finland and sweden have given refuge to

people that the turks considered to be dissident kurds. this is a problem. they can block finland and sweden from joining. from the finish government, they are trying to reach out to their counterparts in turkey to resolve this dispute. >> that was something that came up with the president. thank you for highlighting that. matt bradley we will see you again. meantime, back at home, we are learning details about the nationwide baby formula shortage and how long it might last. the ceo of perry ago, a company that makes store brand formula for retailers like walmart and amazon, telling that we may see sure just through the rest of this year. it comes as pressure is mounting on the white house to take action as parents are growing increasingly desperate. let's go to steve patterson who has the latest on this. steve, to you. >> the longer this crisis stretches on, the more desperate that parents are going to get to try to track down this formula to take care

of their children. this was a production chain problem, followed by factory shut down. production has now restarted. with millions of infants relying on that formula, parents are doing anything they can to try to track it down. >> with store shelves barren across the country, more parents are forced to face their worst fears. >> how will i feed my baby? >> new mom, stephanie jones, would thought she never had asked this question. >> you are deathly trying everything in your power to see what you can do and how you can get formula. >> as of this morning, a record 43% of popular baby formulas are out of stock, with major retailers putting limits on how much you can buy. >> i have gone to every store and called every store to search for it. we cannot find it anywhere. >> with criticism mounting over the white house's response, president biden is defending his administration's efforts to solve the crisis. >> this is a process that we are working very hard on. there is nothing more urgent.

>> the white house is promising increased production, additional formula from overseas, and more availability to low income families. >> it is a national emergency that is amplifying on low income populations who are mostly minority people and people of color. >> now, congress is demanding answers from the four companies that control 90% of formula manufacturing. how do they plan to address the crisis? meanwhile, parents are growing more desperate. milk banks across the country are reporting record levels of requests for donor milk. >> these are the thermal bagpipe gets put in. >> good morning, you're ready to go home? >> pediatricians are handling calls around the clock. >> i never thought that i would see this in my life. i have been practicing for 15 years now. >> medical experts say that under no circumstances should they dilute formula or try to make their own. most of all, no hoarding. >> in the biden administration

has set up a website if you are searching for formula. if you have your own search going on, it is time to get creative. seek out smaller pharmacies. check your online resources as well as checking with your pediatrician for other nutritional guidelines. back to. >> see patterson and ali. thank you for you. the january six committee this weekend is working to figure out its next move. the panel is waiting to find out if any of the five subpoenaed republican lawmakers will comply and give testimony as we get closer to the public hearings expected next month. let's go back to allie raffa joining us from capitol hill, as always. ali, what's signals are the committee getting and what options do they have as they try to get compliance? >> we know what options the committee has but it is still unclear how far members are going to go as far as how deep they will go whether we know

these lawmakers will comply with the subpoenas. we know that there has been renewed interest in kevin mccarthy specifically after those leaked audio recordings of his conversation. his conversations with gop colleagues and conversations before, during, and after january six. we talked about this in the last hour during an interview. i want to play this in an interview for your viewers now. >> as we now know from the audio recordings that have been released, he had a moment of truth. i would say kevin you told me, you had a moment where you want to do something right for the country, why not return to that? why not recognize that you have an opportunity to go down in history as someone who has a political cards to stand up to your party. your party is completely controlled by one man. do the right thing for generations of americans. why not take this chance and do this right thing for america?

>> he was referring to one of the leaked audio recordings where mccarthy acknowledges that the former president acknowledged some level of guilt. this was in january six to him in a phone call. the odds are not working in the committee's favor. all five of these lawmakers, so far, i have dismissed the committee and its finding. the subpoenas in general are calling the committee illegitimate, corrupt. they are calling it a witch hunt. all of them have been previously asked to voluntarily answer questions before the committee. they have all refused. the committee is left with very few options. the first of which is to refer this to the house ethics committee. this is a committee that is evenly divided by between democrats and republicans that largely operates in secrecy. there's very little opportunity for the community to get answers back quickly or an efficient matter on that and. there is also another option that we are familiar with these

rogue criminal referrals to the justice department that we have seen from members of his inner circle. the justice department has been slow tacked on those. it is very unlikely that the justice department will act faster for city lawmakers, alex. >> it is all tbd. allie raffa, thank you so much. coming up next, a warning from vladimir putin while china shows off its military might. what does the u.s. figure in all of this? does the u.s. all of this? that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line. what was it? [ sighs ] i can't remember.

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nato could cause -- >> first question, what would it mean for russia if finland and sweden and joining nato? how could this impact the war? >> thanks for having me alex. it really won't impact the war, but it certainly is a psychological blow to putin to have more countries on his border joining nato. quite frankly, he may use that as justification for the war against ukraine, saying it is really the encroachment of nato that is causing the insecurity for russia, and therefore why they had to invade and strike out of ukraine. i don't really think it will have any impact in the short term. certainly it's a rebuke, a repudiation of putin for these previously neutral countries to be joining nato. >> something i'm still trying to figure out. what's right does russia have to tell another sovereign nation would it can and can't

do? that question could be posed to retrain? but with regard to finland and sweden, they're issuing-ing threats, because it doesn't like its intentions, the intentions of those two countries? but right this russia right has to do? that >> no country has any rights, whether it's united states, great britain, germany, france, china, to dictate what another country can do. but it can also indicate other countries, just as we do, that if you take certain actions, there will be consequences in a relationship with other countries. russia saying, it could damage the relationship between russia and finland. would that damaged by party, and what form might be, is uncertain, whether it's less favorable trade treatment, less ability of finland companies to sell into russia, or it could be a curtailment of cultural people to people exchange, or travel. >> you don't think there's

anything more sinister behind those threats? >> i don't think that putin is gonna try to invade or take military action against these other countries. he certainly is running into a great deal of unexpected, surprisingly tough resistance from ukrainian forces. his military is facing economic pressure, i don't think they can afford to take on another country militarily. russia suffering economically, not as much as we thought, but it's gonna take some time. these losses and pressures on russia will add up overtime. they can't for to engage in another military front. >> yes, we've heard from turkish president or one, who says his country is not favorable towards finland and sweden joining nato. -- whom turkey considers to be terrorists. we'll kind of monkey wrench to

that role in the process? >> it certainly is a monkey wrench because you need the consensus or the support of all the other nato members to add a new member to the ranks of nato. certainly, there, for turkey has essentially veto power. he's perhaps flexing his muscles. holding that ace card. to try to extract some concessions or understanding or statements from sweden and finland. >> mighty also be doing it as a signal to vladimir putin, like i went on record that i don't to proof? >> it's possible. they do have also economic ties. turkey so far has been allowing them, has been supporting the military response of the nature countries against russia. it has certainly curtail the movement of russian goods through turkey, so it has been lending support. >> let me ask you about the new

new york times guest essay, in which we have journalists monsey vincent who says, america and its allies want to bleed russia. they really shouldn't as the u.s. lawmakers pass to pass the 40 million dollar aid package to help ukraine. lights by expanding support to ukraine across the board and shoving any diplomatic efforts -- may have increased the danger of being in even larger conflict. do you share that view? >> obviously we need to continue to push for diplomacy and credit get the parties together to negotiate a settlement, an agreement, a cessation to the horrific atrocities and death and destruction in ukraine. we have seen in the past that russia is not serious about negotiating. they won't even agree to safe corridors to allow civilians to escape some of the areas of fighting. so, yes we need to continue to

pursue diplomatic solutions, and all countries need to put pressure on both sides to do so. but in the meantime, what is the rest of the world to do? are we tailor al putin to indiscriminately bomb and shell the ukrainian cities to utter destruction? especially the city that is now in the areas and territories that he's concentrating on, which is eastern you crane? russia has the latitude of firing thousands and thousands of missiles, and shooting from tanks on a daily basis, hourly basis, from within ukraine, and destroying ukraine. from lobbying these missiles and firing from russia to ukraine, with no repercussions and no penalties, no retaliation. the west and nato countries have no other option but to continue to provide military

assistance to ukraine. in the meantime, i do agree we need to try to halt this as quickly as possible. it's not good for the people of russia, ukraine, the rest of the world or europe for that matter. >> and the acid, or let me ask you one quick question on your specific area of expertise, china. -- some new satellite photos show china using targets in a remote desert to test its ability to hit ships with long-range ballistic missiles. -- it's conflict inevitable between china and taiwan? >> conflict is not inevitable between china and taiwan. the position of the united states and virtually the rest of the western world is the issue of reunification, or independents between taiwan and china, must be resolved between taiwan and china peacefully.

the united states recognizes that china is one country, including taiwan, but the issue of reunification must be addressed by the parties in a peaceful manner. obviously, china does have the military capability to invade and inflict major damage on taiwan if it were to engage in military action, but look what we've seen here in ukraine. it would amount to an utter destruction of the major cities of taiwan, and what would be the point? what would be the economic benefit to china to do so? then it would have to pay for all the cost of reconstruction. >> point well taken. they're >> so many companies of taiwan support the economy of the mainland. >> indeed. former ambassador to china gary law. thank you. up -- here's a live look at los

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army raid in the west bank. at one point the paul bears even drop that casket. $22,000 as being offered for info on escape texas in nate. -- he somehow freedom cell from his restates, stab the driver and disappeared after the bus crash. right now nearly have the country is bracing for a record breaking heat, and unseasonably warm temperatures. a dozen record highs across new england and the southwest. -- triple digits by the end of today. the battle for abortion rights in the spotlight today. a live look at los angeles, one of the many places across this country were advocates today are rallying in support of a woman's right to choose. on the other side of the issue, anti-abortion rights of the kits -- supreme court decides to overturn roe v. wade. nbc's alison barber is joining us from gainesville, georgia. what kind of reaction are you hearing there?

>> hey. alex antiabortion activists have spent decades fighting, planning for this moment. it's here. the supreme court is expected to overturn roe v. wade in the next two months. but we aren't seeing anti abortion activists elaborating in the streets. why is that? one activists told me they don't want to counter chickens before they're hatched. they are playing a long game. they arguably have been doing that really since roe v. wade was passed in 1973. in the mid 80s, antiabortion activists aligned themselves with the republican party. they focused on getting people elected to national office and local office who are conservative and withhold pro life views. if, given the opportunity, would nominate conservative pro life justices. they also focused on changing laws on the state and local level. listen to some of the conversation i had with the executive director of a very

influential anti-abortion groups here in georgia. >> our view was if you can get half a loaf, if you can get restrict abortions that could be more acceptable to more people, then we will do that. that's what we did with the heartbeat bill. where you first detected heartbeat, banning abortions after that. >> do you feel like on the pro-life side, the tactics of always been fair? >> you know, i don't support any kind of violence. i don't support any of the bombings that have happened, any of the protests in front of people's homes, if you have a problem with a supreme court justice urges, that protest in front of the courthouse. don't protests in front of their personal home. where the positive movement. were the happy worriers. where the people of the rights of this issue. if you support abortion rights, it is important to understand how we got here. the polling shows that most americans do not support

overturning roe v. wade, even if they support restrictions to it. if you are someone who does not support abortion rights and antiabortion activists are going to be complacent, they are not. they say they do not believe this ends with roe v. wade overturning. they want to see a ban on abortions in all 50 states and they plan to keep fighting for that, using these same tactics and strategies they have used to get to the point now. >> alison barber, thank you so much for that report. meantime, frustration is growing among the advocates, especially after a vote to codify roe failed in the senate. all republicans and one democrat, senator joe manchin, voted against the matter. columnist and author for the love of men, welcome. senator manchin says he would have voted for codification of row but says that the women's health protection act, expands abortion.

lisa mukowski says that they support a woman's right to choose but similarly said, the measure was too expensive. when you make of all that? >> the women's health act codifying roe is not medical. abortion is legal. women are not demanding more rights. they are demanding that the ones that they earned in the 1970s, when women could not own a credit card, could be raped by their husbands legally, they are just asking for those rights. the idea that democrats had a hard line on abortion rights is false. democrats have had a very nuanced position. even some progressives have not been progressive enough. joe biden supported the hyde amendment until recently. president obama signed an executive order in 2010 to make sure that abortion could not be funded by federal funds. nancy pelosi opened the party to antichoice democrats. democrats have actually moved a

lot to the center to meet republicans. republicans are the ones who have not only not move to the center, but moved more and more to the extreme right on this issue. >> interesting. there's also been a talk about chief john justice roberts to convince jurors to support the draft. try to get them on board with something less drastic for the final court decision. something that will not completely reverse row. is there some sort of middle ground for the supreme court, or for congress, when it comes to abortion? >> i do not see a middle ground when there are states who are writing applause that are threatening to put women in jail for having miscarriages or abortions. i do not see a middle ground in a world where women have less rights than dead people. even corpses have to give their consent for the state to do something, make a decision for them, on their bodies. the fact that women -- the fact that is being debated whether women should have these

rights is really ludicrous. again, democrats have moved to the center on this. it is republicans who are not meeting them where they are. they are moving to the other and, where we are starting to make all these exceptions, where is it going to end? >> here is the question. we have seen all these protests. they are outside the homes of supreme court justices. is that fair game? the protests that do not try to on the lawns or within a distance to the home that could be perceived as threatening. are those fare to make their points heard? >> alex, all i know, the senate was able to pass a bill that provides security for supreme court justices, but they were not able to pass a bill that made sure that women have bodily autonomy. this whole question of civility is really ludicrous. in order to disrupt civility

and peace, there needs to be civility and peace in the first place. the idea that we have that right now, that the social contract towards women has been maintained, is completely untrue. again, if we are jumping in the ring and we are having this conversation about civility, we are not recognizing how uncivil it is for women to be stripped of the most basic fundamental human rights that they have. >> let me ask you something. i found this interesting. the article you wrote on msnbc.com where you argued that abortion is a men's rights issue, to. a couple points i saw there. i'm going to let you make them. >> i do not know how men feel about row. all i do know is that a lot of them are googling vasectomies right now. there is data that came out this week, since the leak of last monday came out, daily searches for vasectomies have increased by 99%, especially in states that are vulnerable and do not have sight of cards for

abortions. i've been talking to men about this who decide to get back secretaries. a lot of them after the texas law that was passed last year and a lot of them calling vasectomy clinics right now. there are long wait times from these men. i think that this atrocious violation of women's rights, this backlash against women, my lead us to a new era of evolved men actually taking family planning, contraception, into their own plans. if women don't have the right to family planning, men will have to do it. >> okay, let's plane, thank you for the chat. appreciate that. we famously spoke about the seven words you can never say on television. decades later, george karlyn's other jokes are resonating across the political spectrum. that is uncanny! you have to hear this to believe it. that is next. this to believe it believe it that

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since the passing of legendary comedian, george karlyn, but many of his progressive takes still stand today. in the wake of the supreme drafting overturning roe v. wade, the 1996 has clip has gone viral. >> these conservatives are really something aren't they? they are all in favor of the unborn. they would do anything for the unborn. once you are born, you are on your own. pro-life conservatives are obsessed with the fetus from conception to nine months. after that, they don't even want to know about you. they don't want to hear about you. only -- known neonatal care, no day, lunged no food, snaps no education, no welfare, no nothing. if your pre-born, you are fine. if you are preschool you are -- they are not pro-life. they are anti-woman. it is simple as that.

they are anti-woman. they don't like him. >> standing there. joining me is the cultural reporter for the new york times and author of a new article the strange afterlife of george carlin. >> what do you make of that. they will do anything for the unborn but after that you are on your own. it has become a war crime for the pro abortion rights movement. but do you think that his take on the issue still resonates after all these years? >> that is what i find so fascinating. you showed a routine from 1996. here it is. you can still play it today. muslim judicious bleeping and blurring for sensitive audiences. it points more towards how george carlin was. the direction of this country and as a comedian, we know him for a lot of routines like the

seven words you can't say on television, tv and radio parity, but later on in his career, even though there was always a political under crime to his material, he is somebody who became increasingly disillusioned with where he saw america going. he was certainly unsparing about how he spoke about that in his comedy. i think this makes him a touchstone for people on either end of the spectrum to this very day. >> you write about all of this in your article. it is fascinating. let's talk about the hbo documentary that is putting him back on the spotlight. it is taking a closer look at his life. the strong convictions that described his career. you quoted carlin daughter, kelly, who said that her father was 99% progressive. you also said that he is embraced by person people who spanned the political spectrum. how did he spend the divide

then and how does this stand now? >> i think that there was a little bit more breathing room. we are only talking about an era that is ten or 15 years ago. as much as carlin had an identifiable and personal politics, it did not necessarily alienating a particular audience or anybody in an audience from wanting to see him. i think there was an understanding that, even though he was going to talk about his views, as kelly says in the article, that they were identified lee progressive and he has supported what's are left-leaning and liberal causes, he had other points of view. for example, the way he came to think about speech and freedom of speech that a conservative audience that would get behind. carlin was also loan for known for being the political correct

moment. he spoke out against it quite a bit. he thought that men in america, he used different terminology, but he thought they were being weekend or feminist. these were his personal beliefs. he came across in his routine. >> it is coming across in your article. everyone should take a note of it. from the new york times, the strange afterlife of george carlin. think you. that is doing it for me. on this edition of alex witt reports. my friend continues our coverage in just a second. end continues ou coverage in just a second.

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good to see you. i'm yasmin vossoughian. we have a lot going on right now. a national show of force on abortion rights rallies across the country we have correspondents covering protests on both sides of the issue today. breaking news out of ukraine as. well mitch mcconnell leaving a surprise delegation to visit vladimir putin. -- new today, former president trump endorses a very controversial candidate for pennsylvania governor. a candidate that high ranking gop figures worry could cost them the race there. -- national baby formula shortage,