cause, but what else is happening to fight back? and have americans completely lost faith in this country's institutions? if so, what exactly can we do to restore. it i am symone sanders, and i have something to say. the january 6th committee takes an unprecedented step. okay, the team of representatives investigating the capitol hill riot, they've issued subpoenas to five of their sitting republican colleagues. including many or minority leader kevin mccarthy. and this is after all of them refused to fit sit for voluntary depositions. other than the ethics committee investigations, these are truly believed to be the first ever congressional subpoenas issued to current representatives. now so far, the targets have responded with the same old same old. accusations of partisanship, and witchhunts. take a listen. >> my view on the committee has

not changed they are not conducting a legitimate investigation. it seems as though they just want to go after their political opponents. >> now before we dive into what this means for the investigation, nbc's capitol hill correspondent, ali raphael, is here with the latest. ali, welcome. good to be with you, symone. >> did you have. you ali, you are hill grew here. so this penis have been issued, but are the members expected to comply with the subpoena. >> yeah, well judging from the fact that all of these lawmakers, all five of them have been asked to voluntarily speak with the committee in the past, and all five of them refused, in addition to the fact that as you mentioned at the top there, all of them have slammed the committee and this probe. they have called it quote, illegitimate, corrupt. as you mentioned they've called this a witch hunt. it is very unlikely that they would comply with the subpoenas. but the committee, if that happens is left with very few options. the first of which is they could send this to the house

ethics committee. this is a committee that is evenly cut between republicans, and democrats. they operate largely and secrecy, so it would be very difficult and inefficient for the committee to send these possible subpoenas, or referrals that way. the second option is to refer. i am sorry, recommend criminal referrals to the justice department. this is something we are familiar with, because we have seen this happen with several members of trump's inner circle. people like dance could be no, peter navarro, mark meadows, steve bannon. the justice department has been slow to act on the majority of those. i believe it is only see fan in the justice department has formally charged with criminal charges. so it begs the question, how quickly would the eternal attorney general be willing to intervene in potential criminal charges for sitting lawmakers. so the committee is really faced with a difficult decision here. not many options as we move forward with this, symone. it sounds like it, ali. i know there's a difference

between what lawmakers can do and what they are willing to do. so i know that you will be watching that. before you go, ali, i am wondering what happens next? we have the subpoenas, but aren't there hearings coming up very soon? >> yeah, and the first of those, that series of hearings is expected to begin on tonight. so there are a lot of boxes left to check for the committee before this weekend. we know right now, there are several. i believe three different dates that all five of these lawmakers have. as far as deadlines. to comply with the subpoenas. so right now it is just a watching and waiting game. but i think there are a few looming questions, before these hearings begin. i think that it is really a question of whether, if the panel was willing to go this far, to issue subpoenas. that four months they mulled over whether they had the authority to even do so. if exit question, could we

expect the committee to go even further. essentially offering letters maybe to ask gop senators to come in voluntarily unanswered questions. potentially subpoenas. could we expect them to ask the former vice president, mike pence, or the former president himself, to come in and answer questions? they have already taken the cyst work unprecedented step. so really what is asking stopping them from going one step further? so that is definitely one thing that we are watching to see some of? >> nbc's allie raf a, on the hill. thank you so much. now i want to emphasize what is really at stake here. republican members of the united states congress, they are stonewalling investigation. and it is not just any investigation, we are talking about an investigation into how democracy in our country was put on the line, and frankly to the test, after the 2020 election. i want to play very well now, would house majority rep john clyde learn side about these

lawmakers are they refused to comply with the subpoenas. take a listen. >> i'm beginning to believe that we may be threatening to really undermine this democracy in this country, really is teetering on the edge. so now joining us we have nbc analyst, joyce vance. and joyce i'm just happy that you're here because i've got some questions. because until recently, i did not know that you just ignore subpoenas from congress, without any consequences. but we have seen congressional subpoenas from democrats that have just repeatedly gone ignored, frankly, i think that's fair to say. so what is the department of justice's role here? >> one of the things that we have learned over the last couple of years, is that our system runs in large part on the good faith of our elected officials. maybe something for voters to keep in mind when they go to the polls. but you are right, simone.

congress largely does not have mechanisms in place for enforcing its own subpoenas. there are similar paths that could be possible used, but they haven't used for a long time. that machinery isn't in place. and so they essentially have two options. they can file a civil suit, it takes a while but it can be effective. or they can go to doj and asked the justice department to engage in criminal prosecution in an effort to punish people who refused to comply with subpoenas. like allie, that is been effective in the case of steve bannon,, who is now facing prosecution. but other cases have been much slower to progress. there is no word for instance, on mark meadows. that case has been sitting at doj since december. and so the question really is whether there would be time to have any official and sort of enforcement if these members of congress don't show up pursuant to the subpoenas, which seems to be the likely course here. >> so, joyce, i'm glad you

mentioned efficient course of action, because i do think that there are a lot of people out there, myself included who say this process is just taken a very long time. we have seen very minimal results from, not just the congressional investigation, but i'm also thinking about the doj's investigation. january six was almost a year and a half ago. so what do you say to people like me, and probably folks there watching now, who say that this is just taking a little too long? >> i am incredibly sympathetic to those kinds of concerns. and i have learned that as a prosecutor, i spent 25 years at doj. i am used to this very slow and deliberate pace at which investigations move. in many ways that is unavoidable. for instance, there are delays involved in certain subpoenas, having people come in to the next scheduled ground jury, judges have to rule on orders. forensic examination of documents, and text returns, and other items takes time. so as a prosecutor, i know that

it is very realistic, particularly for complicated white collar case or a public corruption case, to move at this glacial pace. and the way that i'm used to looking at that was a prosecutor, is on the back and, to make sure that before the case is indicted and prosecuted, that all of the evidence was in place. because the government faces a high burden. but when we are talking about people who are very concerned that democracy is slowly slipping away from them, that glacial pace seems very inadequate to me at the moment. and that is why we are fortunate to have this parallel process in congress with these hearings that in june will bring much of this evidence to the forefront for americans. >> i am very much so looking forward to these june hearings. i talked about this in my opening, joyce, and i want to your take on this. public faith in institutions, i think it is fair to say that it has been shaken. there is a recent monmouth poll that has found that only 15% of americans approve of the job that congress is doing, and

that is never 20% of march. i know the polls are subjective. i'm the first person to talk about polls. but i guess i bring this up to say, if members of congress don't enforce the subpoenas of their own members, how can folks expect the debate that are institutions can never really be restored? >> the reality is, that after four years of the trump administration, and then after wet in some ways it's been disappointing if you are looking for a accountability for those four years, the start of the biden administration, you know there is a real gap in public confidence across all of our institutions. i think one way of looking at it could be to say, the institutions were strained. they were under a lot of pressure. but they held. we are here, let's start to rebuild. but her many americans, that is just not where they are, symone. and i'd like to think about institutions and our trust in them like a water reservoir. it takes a very long time for develop, that happens very slowly. if you think about that water is being trust, but a very

small hole even a pinprick can let all of that water leak out very quickly. and we are seeing that happen in realtime. that puts a real burden in all of our public officials, in all three branches of government, to bend over backwards to display the integrity of their process, and to encourage people to begin to trust them again. and unfortunately, that is just not where we are. i don't want to be poly in here, and i think we have to be pragmatic about a lack of trust in the courts given what we are seeing at the supreme court. other institutions are in that same place, we need our elected officials to step up, and to engage in a radical form of transparency, to help us understand why we should have confidence in them. >> joyce vance, legal guru, former public servant, and some of i am just very happy we had here. thank you very much, joyce. we look forward to chat with you soon. coming up, joyce just alluded to, and americans are headed straight from coast to coast today. and they are showing where they stand on the fight over

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want to turn to the protests that are happening as demonstrators envision a reality without federal protections for abortion rights. there were planned rallies -- in chicago, chicago, new york, l.a., and here in washington, d.c.. and they drew large crowds. we will also get a perspective from anti-abortion rights activists. they are not protesting today but they have a strategy. this weekend's demonstrations are happening just days after a senate vote failed, this is a vote that would have been tried roe v. wade into federal law. many of us knew that vote was gonna fail. so the question is, what is next? we will go to the people on the ground to tell us just. that antonia hilton is that a pro abortion rally in washington, d.c.. and alison barber has been talking to antiabortion activists in georgia. thank you both for being here. tony i want to start with you. whatever you've been hearing from folks? what are you hearing from

people? >> hey. it has been a really emotional jay. thousands of people have been at the national mall. many of them are spoken to, particularly young women, have been outraged, really angry, shaking when i talk to them. they describe knowing that the conservative majority of the supreme court that this is a possibility, but still being shocked by the leaked opinion coming out. many of them were not prepared for the moment. and on the other hand, many of them are saying there are more than ever prepare to go out and vote. that i talked to older women, who have daughters and granddaughters. it is sadness and fear. they remember pre row world. they talk about that. as opposed to one woman who told me about abortion she had in the back alley of chicago when she was 13 years old. it was a raw conversation. it gives you a sense, you hear

cheering, and people are celebrating and walking together, but there's a lot of sadness and anger here. take a look at some of the conversations i've had with young women and young voters. >> if i can protect myself, who is gonna protect me? i've lost faith in the system. i've lost faith in our representatives. i know that are there are some out there that are actually going out there looking at for us and they want us to have these rights and they want us to progress, but it's all political game. >> you know symone none of the protesters here today know that none of these protests will change the minds of the conservative justices, who have been moving towards this for a long time. but they want to send a message to lawmakers at the federal level, in the very stage from there from back home. they're expecting them to take action, to clarify, to protect

women's reproductive rights. they see these folks as their last hope at this point. while they know that this might not change the outcome at the supreme court, they're hoping this is not the end of their fight symone. >> antonia thank you so much. lots of energy we see out there. for folks hoping to protect abortion rights in this country. alison, i want to come to you because the georgia primary is set for tuesday, may 24th. early voting has already started in georgia. if roe v. wade is overturned, a six-week abortion ban in georgia is very likely to take effect. for folks watching, that is before most women even know that they're pregnant. you spoke to antiabortion activists in georgia. what did she say? >> this is a state where this is a huge issue. something that people on both sides of this dip that are paying close attention to. antiabortion activists had spent decades trying to

overturn roe v. wade. when that leaked draft opinion came, out they were not celebrating in the streets. why? well one activist i talked to said they didn't want to counter chickens before they hatch. they are happy about the moment. they are pleased to see what is likely to be roe v. wade overturned in the next two months, but they are taking a more focused, incremental approach, and waiting to see the final draft. that's what they have been doing for years. listen to what's some of my conversation was with the executive director of an influential antiabortion scoop in georgia. >> i think in 50 years from now we are looking back at this moment and it is what we think it's going to be, that it was because the pro-life movement a number of years ago decided there were gonna start going to state legislatures and they were gonna get pro-life people elected. and eventually one of these laws that are gonna be past is

gonna go up and overturn roe. we are happy warrior. as we are people that i believe that are on the right side of this issue. >> there's a long way for us to go. row the wait oh being overturned is not going to end abortion in america. but it will give us the groundwork for us to move forward, and state by state, to get the job done. at >> it roe v. wade is overturned, abortion bans are expected to go in effect in 23 states. that's according to an analysis by nbc news looking at data from the center of reproductive rights. 13 of those straits already have trigger laws on the books. if you're someone who's someone who supports abortion rights, it's important to understand the history of how the antiabortion got to this point. particularly when you look at polls, and you see that the majority of americans do not support overturning roe v. wade, even if they support some abortion restrictions.

they got to this point by in the mid 80s, aligning with the republican party, and hyper focusing on getting people elected into office who they thought would appoint, if given the chance, pro life, conservative justices. also, focusing on state and local laws, and changing them. in terms of is this over? the fight for antiabortion activists when roe v. wade is overturned? the answer is no. they plan to use the same tactics and strategies they used to get at this point, to get to the ultimate goal, which is about banning abortions in all 50 states. >> thank you. thank you in d.c.. my panel is here. we are gonna get into all of this. we've got msnbc political analysis -- , a political white house reporter and playbook coauthor -- , and --

eugene, i'm gonna go ahead and start with you. i set it in the opening. i'm gonna say it again. we knew the vote was gonna fail this week. and the white house knew the vote was gonna fail this week. vice president harris went up to the hill to preside over the vote, she does that when these things are important to the white house. what are you hearing now? >> they know, the white house, in the administration, that this kind of little they can do that will fundamentally alter -- its first weather trying to do is -- talking to people about making sure that in the midterms that they get more senators, for example, that are going to be in congress that they can actually figure something out. there aren't enough for votes. there are not 60 votes to pass anything. --

they are also looking at ways to nibble around the edges, discussing whether funding for the medicaid or some other mechanism can give people money, funds, to travel to other states for abortions. they're talking about all the things they can do, but they know that all the things they can -- regulatory actions that this administration can do, are also possibly gonna end up in court. that's something the republicans have already said they could start doing. but hopes that folks turnout in the midterms and give them more people. this is something, that republicans have been working on for decades. you can't fight that within a few weeks. it's not really possible. >> well, that's a fact. i want to play, and eugene talked about, this senator joe manchin earlier this week, specifically talking about the democrats. take a listen to this. >> 70% of the american public

wants roe v. wade to be codified as it has been president for 50 years. to me that would be the reasonable, rational thing to do. the bill we have today to word on, the women self protection act, and i respect the people who supported, but make no mistake, it is not roe v. wade codification, it's an extension. it whites wipes 500 state laws off the books, and expands abortion. >> now, when needed, i don't necessarily agree with senator manchin's analysis here. this is not about me today. republicans are working on a more narrow bill to codify roe, and there is no apparent consensus, we don't know when we're gonna see that bill. i am interested in your thoughts on the national strategy for democrats. i don't necessarily believe a national, cohesive strategy the exist right now. to eugene's point, republican strategist and lawmakers have

been working towards this very place for years and you just cannot out organize that in a few weeks. your thoughts. >> you cannot out organize decades of attempting to oppress women with and people with the uterus in a matter of weeks. one of the women antonia spoke to, said she is looking at democrats in congress who are trying to do the right thing as their last hope. they need to show. up i promise you symone, once these voters are educated at the grass lutz level, and are mobilized, they're gonna want to know how -- are fighting for them. make it make sure that voters know you are fighting for them in realtime. -- not only attack roe and a woman 's right, but also health care. remember vote after vote working to repeal the affordable care act. democrats need to match that energy and their fight for people, even if they fail, even

if the regulatory changes that are challenged in court. what matters to voters is to see democrats are fighting. -- showing people, come, on turnout for, us and then we will try again next congress, is not gonna be sufficient. people want to see evidence right now. i think that is clear based on what we heard from the protesters today and activists who spoke today. today's action was the first step. that action is gonna be translated into their groups and states across the country. to again, educate voters, organize, mobilize. i appreciate that call was repeatedly repeated at today's protest. >> congressman, i saw your smirk, you are not only a former congressman, you are also a political consultant in a former life. you've lived a lot of lives. i'm wondering your thoughts. that's the view from where my democratic's friends set. i'm wondering what your

thoughts though, because we know that there are a lot of my republican friends who are not comfortable where the conversation currently. as i'm talking about jailing women, finding women, and abortion providers, judge is essentially gelling doctors. there are trigger laws on the books right now. what about those folks? who are uncomfortable but not so uncomfortable that they are necessarily gonna vote with your democratic colleagues on this bill last week. or if you are republican on the state legislator and you are willing to block legislation. how are they navigating this? >> well listen, i think they are representative of much of the country that are underrepresented in this. when i would take my democratic friends to consider is that you have a once in a generation opportunity, politically, truly, to bring in a persuadable constituency. rarely in politics you have a persuadable contingency. we -- are gonna see that as a result of roving overturned. we are gonna see the turnout of

the past minute pro-choice in the passionate pro-life community. there is a large swath of americans who have probably never before call themselves pro choice, but do actually support rural. roe and casey said a balancing test, we're mansions that 70% of the country actually is. i think it's an opportunity for either party. the republicans are not gonna figure it out. democrats. can i would suggest this is a very persuadable constituency that can change the entire dynamic of the november elections that democrats gets this one right. i agree with you sir. it remains to be seen, if they are going to get it right. when needed tolliver, eugene, david, please stay with. as we are coming back to you all very. soon all right, next, there is an alarming new report on how long the baby formula shortage could last, and frankly what is being done to try to help parents. the chair of the house appropriations committee will be here live to talk about it. and we also have an update on the breaking news that we have

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how much more can parents actually take? there is new research and it doesn't paint a better picture. that assembly says that acid mate, 43% of baby formula's are now out of stock. president biden says the federal government is trying to help parents, take a listen. >> the fda has been looking at the, they will be working like working with manufacturers to facilitate incorporation formulas from abroad that impact, in places like europe, where we can get more product on your shelves. that is underway. i think it will be in a matter of weeks or less getting significantly more formula on shelves. >> he now is chair of the house appropriations committee, democratic congresswoman rosa delauro of connecticut. now congresswoman delauro side of the law on this issue, after releasing a whistleblower report from last year. congresswoman, i am so glad you are here today. i think the question on everyone's mind that there is, why wasn't an issue like this

address soon? >> first of all, thank you very much the moon. i am delighted to be with you. and let's think about this crisis. this isn't just about parents, as an issue about supply, it's about food safety, and parents are buying formulas for their babies, and in fact, there has been a contaminated product that has been on the market and that has been manufactured by abbott nutrition. and there has been, there was a whistleblower report that documented that the company, that happened in fact, falsified records, so the contaminated product, cut corners, and we're just more interested in profit than the safety of our babies. that information was sent to the food and drug administration october, nothing was done until interview with the people in december. and then there was no recall

until february. in the interim, we understand at least two babies have died, and several more hospitalized. so now we have the product off the market, yes there is a shortage. so we have to address two things, we have to adjust in the short term the supply, and get the product on the shelf. and we have to get to the bottom of what happened with this manufacturer which has the largest contract for producing infant formula with the federal government, and they have cornered the market. which is why in fact, we don't have other manufacturers ready to go. if i get to say one more thing here. some >> i want to ask you about that actually, because as i was reading about the story, and i mean i know so many people who have some photos of formula saying if you see this form in the store, please get it for me because this is what my baby uses. as i was reading about this, i was struck by the fact that

there is a very small number of companies, and abbott is the largest company of the small number. who have the contracts, who make the formula. how is this able to happen? >> well, i think that is really what we need to address. investigation, and bringing this to light which we are going to do from hearings, both next week and the week after. but you are right, they have cornered the market. so when their pocket product is off, we have a shortage. we can't allow that to continue to happen. that there would be a sole source producer of this product. the same thing happens to us with, in the meatpacking industry. there are just three or four producers, and then we get. and what happens also is that the increase prices when there is a shortage. so there's also price gouging, as well as the shortage and what is happening to families. but we are going to do on monday, or tuesday of next week, is we are going to introduce an

emergency supplemental appropriation, that will allow the food and drug administration to import a product from, an fda purse approved facilities in europe. and you bring the product back as quickly as we can, to get it on the shelves. we can't deal with one source of producer of this product. and then we'll have legislation to deal with regulation and authorities that the food and drug administration needs to have. >> so congresswoman, you are going to introduce, you're gonna hope to introduce a bill this week. so how soon then, will parents and families feel some relief that is in fact passed? >> well, let me just say to you, symone, we're gonna move this fast as we can. which is why i'm gonna introduce it, i believe will have support to move forward on that, and both in the house and in the senate. and that we can get it done, and with the product as quickly

as we possibly can. and i don't want to waste six weeks. parents want to do that, if you think about parents, and you know this. i mean you know the heartbreak. you don't want to feed your baby a contaminated product, but you want to be able to feed your baby. they shouldn't be a choice like that. and that is what we are going to address, we're gonna move as quickly as we possibly can. we are committed to doing, it might cause a committed to doing it is. well >> congresswoman rosa delauro, there is a honeybell is out there that are very grateful for your work this week, thank you very much. thank you. >> all right, and next we have some major midterm matchups that are coming. i'm talking about pennsylvania, okay. they've a primary coming up this tuesday which could be the biggest -- yet for the former presidents staying power, if you will. but first, i want to go to my colleague richard louis. he has an update on the mass shooting in buffalo, richard are you there? >> symone, yes. we are still watching the story

here we're trying to get you the lotus latest. as you know the story is only a couple hours. as we get more information from the scene, we can update me right now. we can confirm seven people are dead, in this incident. one other person is in critical condition after a shooting at a grocery store. that is tops, it is a large series of supermarkets. if you are in the northeast, you're used to that chain. it is similar to the safeway chain and other parts of the country. kroger, six etc. and they say that what happens here is that a man entered the store with the rifle began firing. there have been various different reports, and what we are trying to do right now is determined what are some of the details. what was he wearing, was their manifesto, was there perhaps some indications of a motive. we don't know all those answers right now. again only two hours in to this incident, from where we are hearing from officials. we've been listening to local police and what they are saying. obviously the investigation

continues at this moment, as they bring about the regional national resources. to understand what may be happening here. first we will update you when we understand who is being brought in to understand what happened. seven dead is what we are understanding. we are also learning at this moment, at 42 minutes after the hour, 4:42 eastern local, that the shooter is not dead. there were early indications but he may have been. so, the suspect, from what we are hearing right now may not be dead. it is actually in police custody. as you look at some of the live pictures here, in front of tops. they're on your right hand side, that gives you a sense of the context, on your left-hand side of where tops friendly markets in this location. is we have course are going to continue to watch the live video coming in. at least two rifles have been recovered from the scene. we are also hearing, according to senior law enforcement sources. so, symone, we have all that.

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dark mehmet oz, -- and conservative commentator kathy burnett. pennsylvania is very important and we will be talking about more tomorrow. but it is far from the only place to have your eyes. on one of the other state is michigan. this, week the republican candidates for the state governor the debated -- as a reminder, governor whitmer became a favorite enemy of conservatives nationwide after the former president slammed her for her lockdown policies. a group of extremists even plotted to kidnap governor whitmer. -- what are political panel is back with us. -- hello again friends. okay. remember the protests. i want to juxtapose that with michigan and their economy. they have seen what one can argue is one of the biggest

economic rebounds in the country over the past two years. david, how does this affect the dynamics in the primaries, but also the general election there between now and november? >> i think this issue that is consuming republicans over re-litigating the 2020 election, and suggesting that it was stolen and fraudulent, could not be more off message this cycle for republicans. that was essentially their message in the georgia senate runoffs, and they lost both of them, which otherwise they should have been favored. -- the jen if they talk about main street issues, addressing the, economy the pandemic, whatever they want to address, but to run on this republican crazy platform, they're gonna lose the general election. i think that will definitely happen in pennsylvania. and in, michigan focus on local issues. if the economy is doing well, address. it if it's not, address it. they will and if they're gonna

relive 2020 all over again, they will end up losing michigan as well. >> -- we got more voters in the general election. i did have an opportunity to speak earlier this week with michigan's secretary of state -- she is actually that's the getting evidence machine tampering by 2020 election deniers. the fact that machines were tampered with, and she's looking into that, but these are by the folks that believe in the big lie, and these are the people who are tampering with the machines. -- all four of the republican candidates of the governor's race and wisconsin, support weakening, or even abolishing the state's bipartisan election commission. this is happening all over the country. eugene, i'm wondering do you think we are seeing this conspiracy theories continue to elevate as we get closer and closer to november? >> no, we absolutely are. because the leaders of the

republican party has -- spouting them and continues to spout them even before -- we will continue talking about talking about it because that is continuing on the republican side. we are not seeing them move past. it as we watch the different primaries as the months and months go on, -- how do democrats respond? how much time they spent talking about 2020? there are a lot of conversations happening behind closed doors, for republicans also don't want to talk about 2020 again. some of these republicans would never say on your show symone who want donald trump, an election deniers to be quiet. -- talk about these kitchen table issues that republicans could possibly went on in these

midterms, but they are focusing on spreading the big lie that donald trump wants them to. >> okay. okay. along these lines, georgia is on everybody's mind. you are talking about the dynamics within the republican primary. you've got former prime minister, former president vice president mike pence, you've got -- donald trump's favorite man to not like in georgia, but he is actually pulling ahead of the trump endorsed opponent, david perdue. i don't know who republicans are gonna listen to there. what's your thoughts? >> it's clear there are moving towards, as you mentioned, the margins are ridiculous. -- i think pence knows that and that's why he chose to support him, because it's a minimal hatch. when he's up 20 points, he's beating purdue and fundraising, it's pretty clear who's gonna win the republican nomination.

-- well i think trump is gonna be more focused on is how to be hedged with other candidates, so his roster of wins and losses in the primary, and the positive. -- he's doing that because republicans and don't want mehmet oz, and one republican in the county even said his -- it's not gonna change's future decision in georgia but i do see him endorsing other candidates and other states. >> -- thank you all for breaking it down. i'll probably see you next week. all. right after the break, folks my symone says on american's faith in our most important institutions, which frankly has been shaken. we are also gathering more information for you on that

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trust in our institutions currently stands. -- we've got current lawmakers being questions about their alleged role in the insurrection in our nature's capital. our democracy is on the. line all of this has some people saying that the fate of the american people in our nation's institutions and systems is now going down the drain. but i have a news flash. -- the pew research center has tracked public trust in the government since the late 1950s. in 2021, the study found one in four americans trust the government to do the right things. just one in. for this chart shows the decline of public trust, from the 50s to just last year. these are just the facts. we cannot forget about the issues happening right now. i'm thinking about just this week, hp see student, athletes were searched without cause.

-- these young black women will now have to think twice before driving anywhere because of this. the ongoing baby formula shortage. this could last the rest of the year. think about. it lawmakers could remove a woman's right to make decisions on her own body, forced her to birth the, child and say there's no way to feed the baby. i think it's scary when you think about that. frankly i'm scared. and i know many of you out there are scared to. even with all of, this i still have hope. because, as a nation, we have always persisted. because people have been, and frankly i think right now, are committed to doing the work. we have to hold on to the work when things are shaky. we have to commit ourselves to doing more. we have to go our roots, advocate for the issues in our communities. chauvin speak out when things are just not right. when our faith is shook, that's when we should show up and

frankly shake the table. our communities depend on it. our participation is mandatory for change. don't let these moments make you forget that. all right. looking ahead to next week on symone, i will actually be sitting down with education secretary miguel cardona for the exclusive interview. -- i can't wait to bring that to you on peacock and on msnbc. be sure to check out my peacock show this tuesday, and mitchell right here on msnbc next saturday at 4 pm eastern to see it all. that's it for this edition of symone, i'm symone sanders i, will see you back here at 4 pm eastern. i will have new episodes on the nbc hub every monday and tuesday. i want to hand things over to my favorite friend reverend al sharpton. thank you symone. we have a great show today and politics nation with a great to