melvin. thank you for watching. coming up on the median show, big news, the 16 committee goes after key witnesses to the capitol riot, including house republican leader kevin mccarthy. finally. plus, -- well >> a sign of freedom of choice act. >> you mean, we could've codify'd roe v. wade more than a decade ago? we'll discuss why that didn't happen with former senator barbara -- also, amid rising crime, l.a. county prosecutor joins me to talk about the effort to remove him from office. activist and actor, wendell

peers, is here to discuss the most famous role in american theater. would it -- were a black salesman trying to navigate in a white capitalist world? ♪ ♪ ♪ welcome to the show. i'm mehdi hassan. we start with that big news from the january six committee. they have finally issued subpoenas to their house republican colleagues, including the top house republican, kevin mccarthy. you know, the one who said he would urge donald trump to step down because of his role in inciting the riot, but then fell in line and has worked to undermine the 16 investigation, ever since. he's being subpoenaed. subpoenas also went out to alabama congressman moe brooks, who urged rally goers on 16 to kick it as, just hours before the riot began. and to jim jordan, who had a ten minute phone call with president trump on the morning of january the 6th.

also on the subpoena list, scott perry of pennsylvania, and andy biggs of arizona. now, it's hard to imagine that any of these people of comply with the subpoenas, so are democrats ready to send contempt referrals to the justice department? is merrick garland ready to pursue them? -- in just a moment. the democrats are ready to have this all important fight. first, can the democrats codify abortion rights into law? it's the question we're all wondering right now, as the fate of roe v. wade ways in the balance. -- 51 to 49, against codifying roe. every republican, plus joe manchin, or is that including joe manchin, voted to block the democrats bill. sometimes, it's not a matter of having the ability to do something, sometimes, it's about having the will. when then senator barack obama was on the campaign trail -- he said, passing the freedom of

choice act, a bill that would have cemented the right to choice as law of the land, was important to him. how important? have a listen. >> what would you do, at the federal level, not only to ensure access to abortion, but to make sure that the judicial nominees -- our true to roe v. wade? >> the first thing i would do as president's son the freedom of choice act. [applause] >> guess what, it wasn't the first thing he signed into law, but it was still a top priority, right? >> freedom of choice act is not my highest legislative priority. >> oh. we'll, if there was ever a time to codify roe, the start of the obama administration was that time. president obama won the white house by 8 million vote margin. he came to office with hopes and dreams. in fact, upon his inauguration january 2009, democrats held the white house -- for the first time since 1993.

they even had a filibuster proof senate majority. that would've been the perfect time to protect the landmark -- for the decades long -- to undo it. but they didn't do it. they didn't do that. they didn't pass that bill. then, in the 2010 midterms, democrats got crushed and never again had that large majority. so, why don't they try to do it when they had the power? perhaps, they didn't notice that republicans had pushed, since the reagan years, to overturn roe. or maybe they took it easy, underestimating, as i always, do the ability of republicans to manipulate the political system to get what they want. obama's vice president, joe biden, was clear in his support for the roe v. wade, even though he's a practicing catholic and doesn't personally support an abortion. then vice president, is now president joe biden, and sadly, he doesn't have the vote to overcome a republican filibuster. that's the reality. you would expect him to get behind abolishing the

filibuster to save women's reproductive freedoms, would you not? not quite. >> should the senate do it with the filibuster to codify roe? >> i'm not prepared to make those judgments now. i think the codification of row makes a lot of sense. >> when i heard there was, now is not the time. in fact, i'm sorry to, say you would never know it a critical matter this is if you look at his twitter timeline over the past week or so. since the leaked draft of justice avenue -- was published on may the 2nd, biden has tweeted plenty about inflation, internet expansion, manufacturing, you name it. only on two occasions, in the last to -- ten days, excuse, me has he tweeted out about the fact -- may have their reproductive rights stolen. his latest tweet from yesterday says, quote, to protect their vote --

voters need to elect more pro-choice senators is november, and return a pro-choice majority to the house. so that they can sign the women's health protection act into law, codify roe v. wade. that tweet came after the senate failed to pass a bill codifying roe. joe manchin, our trusted democrat, in name only, voted with republicans. -- it was ultimately because of, what else? the filibuster. that's what's stops so much legislation. yeah, the one that -- if it's time for it to go or not. when there's no will, there's not going to be away. that sadly was a story of president obama on abortion in 2009, and it's the story of president biden today. after the draft ruling was leaked last week, a viral tweet captured the sentiment many are feeling right now, in this moment, when it comes to democrats asking people to vote for them. quote, how can your response to this to be vote. we did. it literally didn't work. joining me now, former cannot

-- she sir from 1993 to 2017 and spearheaded efforts to codify roe v. wade. we also have a lawyer, feminist an activist, terry o'neil. she's the former president of now, the national organization for women. thank you both for joining me. you were there in the senate in 2009, championing abortion rights. obama comes to office, promising to codify roe, in his first in office, it doesn't happen on his first day, or any day, and here we are today in 2022 plan catch-up, dealing with the filibuster. why didn't happened back then? >> we did not have the votes, and i might remind you of something that you may forgotten, because, believe me, we all want to forget the great recession, we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs. everything was falling apart. it's just like everything else. the fact is, we never had 60 votes. we didn't have 60 votes then,

even in the 72-day period when there were 60 democrats, we did have 60 votes to overcome the filibuster. do i think there should be a filibuster anymore? no. did i then think the it was important, to protect women's rights and all kinds of other things after newt gangrene shot to destroy the country? i supported it at that time. it's very easy to say, would've, should've, could've, why didn't we. the fact is, the first bill that obama signed into law was the -- equal pay act. we were on to women's issues. the last point i was makers this, after casey, which was a rough decision because it did say that the states could do more to get -- casey did, in fact, underscore the importance of roe. who was very important decision. we didn't think, at that time, when kennedy changed his mind,

that we were about to lose this. i always say -- last point -- i promised, to very last point. i think it's about complexion. i don't agree with the last gentleman who tweeted. we need more democrats, and democrats who are going to say, no to the filibuster. >> let me bring in terry, former president of now, the national organization of women. usc became president during obama's first year in office, when he decided not to pursue the freedom of choice act anymore. -- and some of the other contacts of that time. do you believe, looking, back that was a major missed opportunity? >> you know, i do. let me just say -- and, barbara is one of my heroes. i had the luxury, as president of now, to be advocating for women, and anyone who can get pregnant, transgender individuals, not gender,

non-binary people, and so forth. i had the advantage of being able to advocate for what we need. senator boxer had the responsibility, as an elected official, to get things done. i understand there's a really big difference. we were deeply concerned about the continued failure on capitol hill to make abortion care, in fact the entire range of reproductive health services, available to all who need it. we weren't really concerned about that. i get real politics, but also, it's one thing to lose a vote when you come up for a vote, it's another thing to say, oh, it's not a high priority. that was a failure on the part of the president. he was a great president, will go down his -- buddy that was a failure. mattie, the same failure of messaging is happening now. we are on the verge of

completely using very democracy, because, in january of this year, the democratic leadership refused to go to the -- for voting rights. yes, they held a performative show vote in the senate, and then when they lose, like we all knew they were going to, they shrugged their shoulders and moved on. that's a real problem. >> we're going to take a very short break. there's a lot to discuss. stick around. when we come back, i want to ask you both, among other things, are republicans going to pay any price if they overturn roe. that's after a very short break. don't go away anyone. very shor break. don't go (vo) every business, big or small, coast to coast, needs internet that can keep up with its demands. verizon has fast, reliable internet solutions fect solution for your business.

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roe box in, in the national organization for women terry -- both still with me to talk abortion rights and political consequences. terry, before the break you were talking about some of the priorities and the way that the priorities have been misplaced on the democratic side. you shared a time article early this morning titled, abortion rights -- democrats have failed again and again to protect voting rights during the first two years of the biden restoration, so the would socially out offers one it is actively -- gerrymandering and rigged. look, you have to vote for democrats that will get rid of the filibuster and codify roe. but we have to live in the real world where a lot of people are saying i did vote democrat and they did not fix student debt and they did not protect student data and they did not

-- is that what you are hearing in activist circles? people demoralized, delusion? or energized for midterms? >> they are demoralized but angry. so i would say both. frustrated but angry and really ready to fight back. to take two examples of what is going on right now, here in oregon and where i live, jamie lee costing her is challenging her antichoice democrat. he claims to be pro-choice. he is not. he votes against paid leave, paid sick days, minimum wage. you can actually have a choice about forming your family if you are stuck on a starvation wage without any of these benefits. so now, chris writer is not a friend of reproductive health care, jen -- is. they've gone all in for the antichoice. same thing is going on in texas. hillary cuellar, who is under fbi investigation, national democrats are going all in for him against a wonderful progressive candidate named jessica cisneros.

the problem is that too many corporations and billionaires have the ear, the lobbyist have the ear, of too many elected democrats in washington right now. >> can i take a counter point? >> please do, i was just gonna say to our viewers that we have jessica sustain nurse on the show on monday. quick look fresh out. >> first of all. this from democrats is really breaking my heart -- it is ridiculous. because the fact it is really our big tent. that is who we are. the other party is trump all the way. i have got the race right here also in my district here, against can, cavern a republican who was trump all the way with this wonderful tonight it will roll in to his pro choice and pro everything, good. we are going all out. we are not fighting with each other. so i have to also remind everybody that in this

experience time when you are saying, why didn't you codify roe, we passed a bomb of care and we did it with 60 votes and terry may remember this. at the last minute, the abortion issue tied us up. >> senator boxer, let me jump in and ask you this. i just need to ask you this question. i get the achievements, no one is questioning. that but you must recognize that a lot of people were worried that your party have been too complacent on this issue. hasn't part it's hard as the republicans have. we had author don winslow in the show yesterday. he said the democrats bring a spoon to a knife fight. that is a widespread view. do you recognize that there is truth to that view? >> i have to laugh. i was the biggest fight you're ever. i had so many colleagues, and they are still there finding. this interparty fighting is a disaster. a disaster for the country. and if people want to keep on doing that and talking about that, all well and good. the only reason i brought up

obamacare was to explain to you that there was a big fight over abortion, and we almost lost obamacare. saying the republicans will vote for it because they have to cover abortion. i was involved in resolving that, and now yes, you can't get abortions. so this may not be as sexy, or what you are talking about. but this -- >> that is a fair reminder. it is a fair reminder, and they would say that it is less about the intro fighting that people are worried about. i think they want democrats to fight republicans. terry, let me ask you this. how unpopular is the overturning of roe v. wade for the republican party? will they pay a price for being the dog that caught the car? >> overturning roe v. wade is amazingly unpopular. overwhelmingly unpopular with republican voters as well as with democrats and independents. both republicans --

not if they continue to suppress the vote. and democrats are allowing republicans to oppress the vote. in florida, in texas, in wisconsin, in ohio. the massive voter suppression that the -- democrats have affectedly struck their shoulders and move on. there are a lot of things that president biden could do by way of executive order that he does not want to do because he likes to think of himself as bipartisan. this is not what we need when we are on the precipice of losing our democracy. so yes, the republicans should pay a big price. and democrats, if we were elected -- look, if everybody can vote is easily and and conveniently as i can, someone who looks like me who lives in my neighborhood, then we would be fine. but telling voters to just vote democrat when we can't is a problem. >> we are almost no time, but senator boxer, i have to ask you about something else,

because we are out of time, but it is very important. we mentioned earlier in the show that the january six committee is issuing five subpoenas to the house republican colleagues including kevin mccarthy. they are not going to turn up, probably, ignoring the subpoenas, giving their track records. if the january six committee refer them to the department of justice for contempt, why is eric garland going to do? he didn't do anything with mark meadows, he is still sitting on that criminal referral. >> my position is that these people have to come forward, whether it is forcing them by way of the courts, it is essential. because our country was attacked. our democracy was attacked straight on. and we need to get to the bottom of it and these people were in touch with the man who precipitated this entire thing, donald trump. they need to come vote. last point i make on that, is it could be to their benefit to come forward. i bet other people came forward and told the truth about what kicked in. so if they want to be able to

retort, there ought to come forward. this is a moment in history, and we have to get to the bottom of it. >> i just hope eric garland is paying attention to all of this. senator boxer, terry o'neil, thank you for your time, appreciate it. >> -- >> still to, come it is been nearly two years since the murder of george floyd in the wave of protests which brought progressive prosecutors into office. now, amid a chronic crime wave of sorts, a backlash comes for georgia stone. that backlash includes an effort to remove him from office. he joins me after the break to discuss the challenges he is now facing. stay with us. stay with us

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an advocate, a changemaker. he is truly progressive. he is been behind nearly every justice reform measure in california in the past decade. -- change starts with george gaston, and that is why he has my vote for l.a. district attorney. >> that was john lynch and endorsing george gaston for los angeles county district attorney back in 2020. the election was just a few months after george floyd's murder, when there was a major appetite for police reform, and gascón was hailed high wiley as a true progressive. a promise to reopen several police investigations. gascón went win over activists despite being an ex cop himself. but just 18 months later, gascón could now be facing a

recall election. opponents say they've collected over 400 signatures so far. they need 100,000 more to get the recall on to the ballot in l.a.. gascón has been called soft on crime and admittedly on paper the numbers do not look good. according to data from the lapd, a sense gascón took office in 2020, los angeles has seen a 34% increase in homicide, a 50% increase in violent crimes, and a 6% up chris in property crimes. also a 67% increase in shooting victims. meanwhile, arrests are down by nearly a quarter. advocates say these numbers do not tell the whole story. as one brownstein puts it in the atlantic, the successes of gascón's approach are measured by individuals who were kept out of prison and use the opportunity to stabilize their lives. or are inherently much less visible than the failures. offenders who given that chance commit more crimes. not to mention the fact that numerous variables contribute to rising crime. and crime rates are also rising in areas with right-wing police

chiefs and -- prosecutors. in fact, gascón made that point in my show back in 2020. >> what i am trying to do is something that is not actually against public safety. to the contrary, i believe that reforms and public safety actually work well together. and we have seen the reverse. in this county we had a 27% increase in violent crime. during the period of time when we incarcerated four times the rate that we did in san francisco, higher rates than almost any other county in the state. so there is no correlation between over incarceration and safety. >> he has made good on some reform promises to, demeanor's are way down. so what is driving the violent crime stats and gascón's area and can he -- this fall? who better to ask than the man himself. joining me now, l.a. district attorney george gascón. thank you so much for coming back on the show. i just read some lapd data. 15% increase in violent crimes,

property crime up, shooting victims up, since he took office in 2020. what is your response when people cite these numbers to you? >> first of, all great to see you again. the problem is that these numbers are going up around the nation. in fact we know that the numbers are even higher in some of the jurisdictions that are being administered by right-wing district attorneys and in blue states. as you mentioned earlier, the reality is that reform and public safety travel together. unless we have addressed the root causes of crimes, look at the issues of mental health, look to the issues or substance abuse, of homelessness. of income inequality. systemic racism. unless we resolve these things, we are going to continue to see crime increase in many parts of the country. and, again we are seeing that be more the case in those

jurisdictions that are always road win. so, i support good policing. but good policing means that we are all held accountable. when police officers commit a crime they need to be held accountable, just like anybody else. >> i agree with you on root causes. i agree with you on income inequality. but you are the da. you are not the mayor or the governor. you do not control whether income inequality is going up or got down in your county. you are going to be held accountable for the number of violent crimes. for the number of shootings. what do you say to voters who say, we put you in office 18 months to go. crime is up. there may be many reasons for that, but you are the guys we have to hold to account. what do you say to that? >> number one, we are listening to the victims. we know that the victims are not -- they do not see the solutions a same way. over and over again, victims want people to deal with a trauma. victims want to make sure that they are provided the support that they need to have.

we are doing that. we are looking at breaking the cycle. we are looking at dealing with substance abuse and mental health by providing proper levels of -- when you move people out of the carceral system, that is not necessarily address the issue. when it comes to find a crime, we are prosecuting at the same rates and sometimes hire them a predecessors. when it comes to sexual assaults, we are prosecuting those cases at higher rates. the reality is that there are many components. as you indicated. incoming quality, housing. those are not things that i can deal with. but i can certainly contributes to increased homelessness when i incarcerate people for offenses and they lose their employment and that causes more crime. i am working to break the cycle of re-offending by the way that we intervene. >> were you surprised by the effort to recall you? and when will you say to the 400,000 people who have reportedly signed their names

in support of your recall? >> this is a very republican thing. the day that i was sworn in, the first recall was talked about. this is a second recall effort. i have never not had a periods of downtime. the efforts to recall may start to the very next day that i was sworn in. but the same people who put a lot of money to run against me. when you look at, this you are seeing the same blooper that you see in other parts of the country. you are seeing very right-wing republican money that is being poured into this race. that is being poured into other parts of the country. in order to maintain the status quo. people like me, there is a movement around the country, we are threatening the carceral system that has been in place for a very long time. there is a lot of money behind it. and there is a lot of misinformation because it works well for the right. >> it is interesting you say you are threatening the carso situation, the status quo. some right-wing prosecutors

have higher crime rates than you do in l.a. county. isn't part of the problem that your party, you are part of the political spectrum, does not really back you guys who are quote unquote progressive prosecutors? all i hear in capitol hill is, when you get away from policing. it is almost as if your own side feeds into the narrative that you are soft on crime. >> we have some wall in these allies. we have got to be sure that we correct the record. reform is not against public safety. to the contrary, we are what we are because of the policies of the past. we have one of the highest recidivism rates in the country in the world. that means we have more victims that are being created every day because we have a system that when it intervenes, it does not fix the problem. we incarcerate more people than anyone else. and we know that most people that we incarcerate are coming out. they are coming out with health issues. substance dependence issues.

they are coming in to be homeless. they are unemployable. all of these things continue to create a cycle of every victimization and re-offending. over 80% of the men and women that are imprisoned today where the victims of violent crime itself. the statistics are staggering. well i think we need your friends democratic party to stand up for those values. were forms on the things that we are offering to make sense. they are about safety. we cannot continue to live with republicans and let them dominate us with the same dialogue debuts for the last 40 years. >> yes, indeed. one last question on a celebrity with a crime story in your neck of the woods. dave chappelle's attorney has requested that the guy who attacked him onstage recently beach arch was a felony rather than a misdemeanor. why did you declined this request? which kept this attack from rising to the level of a felony? >> this was, again, where misinformation came around.

the individual that rushed mr. chappelle was not holding a weapon at the time that he did that. as a matter of fact, he rushed in when the security came up, was dragged to the backstage during the scuffle with security. during that, time the weapon actually fell off. it was a security guard was the one who activated the blades. and the plates had never been displayed. in fact, the individual neighbor had the weapon in his hands. so what we have is an individual pushing mr. chappelle. there are no serious injuries. there was no weapon involved. the weapon just fell off at a later moment. under california law, this is not a felony. the prosecutor that made the decision to refer this to the city attorney for a misdemeanor charging was appropriate. it was what the law calls for. and a lot of people understand. in l.a. county, many of the

cities have city attorneys which are on affiliated with my office. the handle misdemeanors. the state of l.a., when the butte city salute going to be contrary, people handle their own misdemeanors. so that is -- every month and that is why we did it. >> thank you for explaining that. we will have to leave it. there l.a. county district attorney george gaston. thank you for your time. up next, after an activist wendell peters joins us to talk about with the u.s. looks like to him now from the outside looking in, after lifting up barr broad playing the role of election that he is now getting the chance to bring to broadway. much to discuss with him, stay with us. im, stay with us.

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do you think they may be the dog catches the car, and they are too scared to actually do something that radical, or do you think they'll just go for it? what kind of have to think this will have on the court itself? the primaries are heating up as voters in four states head to the polls on tuesday, with all eyes on pennsylvania. monday night, chris hayes is live from this state where some critical races will be decided. then on tuesday, jose diaz -- are on the ground in philadelphia talking with voters. after the polls close, steve kornacki will be there breaking down the results. on tuesday msnbc. ♪ ♪ ♪ >> two weeks from now the country will mark a somber anniversary. it will be two years since the murder of george floyd by police officers on the minneapolis street. the action was caught on video

and lead to an awakening of activism. millions in america and around the globe. celebrities added to the course of a voices for police reform. for many, 2020 summer portis was the first time that he became politically active. but not for actor wendell pierce. he currently starts in jack ryan on amazon prime as the boss james greer. before that he played an attorney on suits. he gained fame in on the wire, playing a cynical baltimore detective who investigates murders while dealing with a dysfunctional police force destroying the community that oversees. in real life peers is also a political activists who campaigned for obama and helped rebuild his native -- after -- in the wake of george floyd's death he has called out structural racism and push for reforms of the police. >> i listen to people say this

is not who we are. and there is a duality in that. this is not who we are because this is not we aspire to be. but this is not who we are because we haven't gotten there yet. that wonderful music of a democratically self ruled republic, that utopic idea that we have? that's not who we are. >> when critics told peers, yes, but you got famous for playing a cop on the wire. he replied, you must not have watched the show. the wire avoid being cop again the buy depicting the dysfunction and racism of modern policing in america. quote, i think now in this racial reckoning in this court for police were forming, it is over from the people are going back going watching the wire with a new eye to understand. pierce is now looking at america with a new, i too. after living and working abroad for the last few years. beginning in 2019 he starred as willie lowman in the london stage production of a death of a salesman. we evens the stories tensions but portraying the lowman

family as black. and all the other characters as white. earlier this month, the producers announced that the show will be coming to broadway next season, with pure surprisingly role that he calls, the american hamlets. a homecoming that will be. and wendell pierce, actor and activist, joins me now. thank you so much for coming on the show. it is a real pleasure to have you on the show. >> the pleasure is mine. it isn't, honor. really i'm a big fan of the show. your voice. and the truth that you put out there. that was just so moving. the homecoming is very special for me. >> it is very special and we are so pleased for you when we are so places you could join us. it is a great moments. sorry to get more somber and more emotional. but we are nearing the second anniversary of george floyd's death. it was such a watershed moment for a lot of americans, especially black americans. it was a real awakening for a lot of americans, especially white americans. do you think it has changed america at all?

as a change you are looking america? >> the america that i want to see, and the americas i think the majority of people want to see, as i said in the intro, is aspirational. and we have to have this idea that it will be some endgame. there has to be a continuum. we have to understand that this is a continuum. it is a dark an ugly part of human nature that we are contending with. this ugly part of human ensure that embraces racism. that is compelled to impress people. that is compelled to feel as though they are better than others. who feel as though they can rationalize violence and take someone's life, as we saw two years ago. that is a battle we are continually having to fight.

so i tell people all the time that the change happens as the veil is lifted. sometimes. and then it descends again over our eyes, and we forget what is necessary. we had in the wakening two years ago. around the world. fox and the one thing i knew was that it was going to be a window of time for us to advocate for a change. and local windows, they open. but they also close. we see those and do not have their best interest of heart. using that time to close that window. understanding it is human nature that we will sort of forget and step away from it. using that time to memorialize in law opportunities to keep that window shut. and we have to continue to do the same to make sure that we advocate to open pupils eyes, and remind them of the advocacy

that we found two years ago. >> well said. wendell, i have to ask about your experience of coming back to america at this time, in this country's history after living abroad. i came in from the uk seven years ago. i am now an american citizen. i still find the american cultural fetish for guns and violence so strange. what has it been like for you growing up here, living here, going abroad, it's coming back? >> it was an awakening for me. i realized it is not even conscious. it is an unconscious thing. i felt a sort of liberation. doing the play in london, leaving a pop in the middle of the night, and a young lady says let me go to. , ride me home. i said let me walk. you she said, no i'm fine. i said, you can walk in the middle of the night. she said, oh that's right, you are american. so your fear is justified. that is what she was saying in that moment. your concern about me is justified. because of our culture.

you have to understand what culture is. cultures that intersection, that literal intersection, between people and how we deal with life. and in america, we have a violent culture. our intersection with life is violent. and we see it in gun culture especially. gun violence, that is unfortunately the thing that we need with conflict resolution. i was working with a pass for the last year and a half. i remember the colleague while his daughters walk home. he just followed them on his iphone. and to see a preteen and a teen walk across a major european city for a couple of blocks with a parent and feel comfortable, because they were about to go online 8:00 at night to school in california. i can't even imagine that. in and the american city.

in and the american city. and are unique intersection and culture and gun violence is our inability to have conflict resolution without -- we have 120 guns to every 100 people in america. the second country to something like 20 or 25. and you know, that is the thing that is so disturbing. just like all culture, it can change. and that is where we commit as artists. the laws change behavior. >> on the topic of culture, you mentioned the culture. you have been outspoken in your criticism of police procedurals and propaganda. and it is true that your detective on the wire is deeply critical of american law enforcement. but jack ryan, to. shows like that. let's be honest, they glorify violence too. and the cia. how do you sit responsible decent garfield and tv culture are for also for the present violence in america? how do you navigate those

waters as an artist? >> being on jack ryan, i would say is completely but assurances it. the reason being, i would hope there is an ability in our human perceptive needs to realize when something is not just extraordinary, but almost improbable. and when you look at to superheroes and our show, there is an improbability of the level of violence. jack ryan can take on 1000 men come away with a scratch on his eye. you know? there is an improbability here. i would hope that we would have the ability to discern the difference. the thing that i brought to jack ryan's actually did the research. and met with retired african american cia officers.

and i asked them, with the history of the agency, what allows you to be an officer? as an african-american officer. and even brought up the suit the ca did overseas. patrice the mamba. and they, said we will fight racism, right? i just chose to fight within the ca instead of outside the cia. he said i would have that same impulse. she said, what allows you to say that you could be in american? with a history that this country has in our community? >> right. >> you find that because you understand one american values are, and you understand we are pursuing a more perfect union. so that is the thing that allows me to do that on jack ryan, because i try to bring that sensibility to his career. >> i am so sad to jump. and we are out of time. i got out this conversation for another ten or 13 20 or 30

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