prove-able facts. all of these ideas that a cluster of cells with a human being, a belief. >> let me ask you about what you're thinking to 1985. it's a dystopian novel, it's about a future that could be bad. in this particular, case bad for, women but really bad for everybody. bad for democracy, bad for society. there's some winners on it but it's kind of grim, generally. >> [inaudible] >> do you feel better or worse about the future in 2022 they needed a 1985? >> oh, i would say quite a lot worse. >> catch the rest of that extended version, streaming on peacock right now. and more meetings of the velshi banned book club will be streaming on peacock to. other books elections will be announced every week on twitter. straight, ahead the very latest on the investigation into the

racially motivated mass shooting in buffalo, new york. another hour of velshi starts right now. velshi start right now. >> good morning, it's sunday may 15th, i am maria teresa kumar in four ali velshi. we begin with the latest on the deadly mass shooting in upstate new york. at least ten people are dead three more wounded after a white 18 year old gunman, dressed in military style tactical gear, opened fire at a supermarket in a predominantly black neighborhood in buffalo new york, according to officials. the gunman has been arraigned on one count of first degree murder and is being held without bail. his next court appearance is scheduled for thursday. a senior law enforcement official told reporters that the parents of the suspect are distraught and are cooperating. and they say the suspect recently legally purchased the weapons used, which included a semiautomatic rifle, a hunting rifle and a shotgun. 11 of the victims are black and to our white, according to the

officials. investigators say that the gunman livestream the massacre on the service twitch and that he was motivated by racial hate. >> that's what's pure evil. straight-up racially motivated hate crime, from somebody outside of our community, outside of the city of good neighbors, as the mayor said, coming into our community and trying to inflict that evil upon us. >> evil, indeed. a racist alleged manifesto was posted online on the suspect's name thursday night. law enforcement sources tell nbc news that the suspect appeared to have written and etched the n-word on one of the weapons. according to photos of the weapons that a law enforcement source confirmed and bc as belonging to the suspects, another weapon had evidence of other races language. the department of justice and fbi are investigating the shooting as a hate crime and a tragedy of, quote, racially

motivated violent extremism. joining me now, live in buffalo, new york. is msnbc news correspondent, jesse kershaw. jesse, what's the latest? >> so, where expecting a vigil to start in half an hour from now. there's half a dozen people from the community just at the camera position here who are beginning to gather, we've seen flowers, candles, american flags placed on the ground here as well. so the vigils, the memorializing, is growing even as that is going on. the grieving is beginning. you can see that this is still an active crime scene. there's crime scene tape directly behind, me the parking lot of this supermarket where this allegedly unfolded is still blocked off. and authorities are trying to piece exactly together what unfolded here yesterday. but what we know right now in this investigation is that authorities say this alleged gunman showed up here around 2:30 yesterday afternoon and started shooting. in the parking lot, shooting four people, three of them allegedly killed. inside the store, he then continued that rampage

according to officials. one of the people he encountered, we are told by authorities, was a security guard who is a former police officer here in the city of buffalo. that security officer, we're told, engage the suspect, shot at the suspect but, because the suspect apparently was wearing tactical gear, he was able to continue going on this rampage according to officials. that security guard, unfortunately, was one of the people who was killed. you mentioned, all but two of the victims were african american. that alleged manifesto that authorities are looking into, according to a senior law forsman official, that alleged manifesto referenced antisemitic, racist tropes and it also made the claim that the suspect was specifically trying to come to an area targeting a lot of black people. so, this feeds into this narrative that we're hearing from authorities that this appears to be racially motivated, a potential hate crime investigation. the other thing that is disturbing about this potential manifesto is that the suspect in that manifesto, allegedly,

claims that he was radicalized at the start of the pandemic, because he was bored. so, that is what we are looking, at in terms of the investigation. we are expecting to also learn the names of the victims early this morning. thank you nbc news correspondent jessica. live from buffalo, new york. joining me now is ben collins. can you talk a little bit more about what we were hearing from this manifesto? it seems to parallel so much that we learn from the el paso shooting and from other mass shootings that we have learned about that have been driven by hate crimes. >> this is effectively a copycat shooting up the new zealand shooting, in new zealand 2019, that killed 15 muslims and injured 41 others in a mosque. this shooter says pacific we in this manifesto that he was targeting black people. he went to the zip code nearby to him that had the most number of black people per capita.

it isn't explicitly racist manifesto. in fact he says outlined in the manifesto that he is a racist. and that is when he went through with us. he talks at the top of his manifesto, specifically, about how at the start of the pandemic he was, in a fifth of extreme border. he went from the gun farm over on fortune over to the politics form. the politics form is effectively just a white nationalist hang out. and that is what you see in this white nationalist manifesto. it is page after page of anti-semitic and white nationalist memes. this is basically a copy and paste job of the rhetoric of the new zealand shooter. it just evolves into meme after meme of 4chan cartoons. >> i want to ask you. the apparent manifesto posted but this person seems to parallel a lot oh folks we are seeing on twitter coming out of the congress.

i'm thinking about alina stefanik, who was promoted at one point on facebook replacement theory. one of the reasons why she should be elected for political ads. how is a spilling over from these dark web so we are talking about into the main stream and how do we combat it? >> this manifesto is the most interesting part of it, is it does not waste a lot of time explaining what's a great replacement theory is. as if the reader knows at this point. it jumps right into the reasoning for us. and that is what you see. this is a relatively mainstream idea. the idea that the electrolyte is shifting because some football is letting him nonwhite immigrants into the country to take over or mary white people in this country to create interracial babies. is a much larger anti-semitic and racist trope and has gone on in what national circles for

years and years. the difference now, is there are those who are willing to push in a relatively mainstream's faces. tucker carlson talks about the replacement of the electorate all the time. that is no different than the great replacement theory. it is pretty much identical. the difference now between two or three years ago is that this stuff was really contained to 4chan and 8chan when these shootings happened. these manifestos happened. now it has become sort of a talking points. the idea that there is this replacement of white people in america. that used to just be a white nationalist talking point. that is coming up more and more. >> absolutely. thank you so much ben collins. nbc senior reporter. joining us now is nbc news national security analyst frank fussily. he is a former assistant director for challenges of the fbi. also with me as president of color of change were shot robertson. were shot, i want to start with you. you have been working so long with social media platforms including facebook, lacking

this as a problem. and there seems to be a flood of not only disinformation but actual violence that spills from online to offline. what is your take. >> my take is that this is incredibly profitable for these companies. these companies have made a choice to not do anything about it. but also, our congress and our larger government have allowed these companies to be unregulated. self regulated companies are unregulated companies. time in ten again we see these companies choosing growth and profit over safety integrity and security. we have been running a campaign on twitch around their racist content. working very closely with black streamers on twitch. i checked which do better, around all the hate rays that have happened on, against, black rioters on that platform. twitch cannot act surprised by what has been allowed to happen on their platform. but it is not just the social

media platforms. it is not just the ways and which folks are able to monetize this type of content on platforms like twitter, and facebook. it is also all the ways in which tucker carlson and so many on cable are also allowed to do this at profit. we have an incentive structure which allows hate, disinformation, and racism to be profitable. and until government does the work, because essentially maria and teresa, this is not about freedom of speech. this is about what people are allowed to profit off of. this is about what is incentivize. we do not have accountability, if we don't have rules, we will continue to see more of this. >> so, i want to bring you into the conversation, now this has been your expertise. you absolutely flagged that white nationalism in the united states is a form of not only terrorism, but the greatest sort of terrorism within our border. can you talk a little bit about that? just to the folks know what we are watching right now, that was a lie vigil that is taking

place right now in buffalo, new york. it's a blatantly victims, sadly, of the tragedy. freight, talk a little bit about that. the challenges, once this is no longer in the sandbox of the internet, the spilling over and becoming mainstream, as richard mentioned, what is there to do? >> well, we have previously heard the fbi director christopher wray in testimony on capitol hill tell the american public that's the most dangerous subset of domestic terrorism right now is indeed violent hate based terrorism. violent hate based extremism. the problem is that we have identified this, that is great, what do we do about it? that is the problem. because of course, we are champions of free speech. hate speech is not regulated. one person's hate is another person's dislike. who gets to determine what somebody should think or do? by the time we have caught up

with this, it has already happened. the violence has already happened. this young man tells us in his manifesto, i was radicalized online, i do handwritten 4chan, i did learn one replacement theory within the image boards of 4chan. so the question is, what do we do about it? when we continued every night of the week and hear the white replacement theory on fox news, on other platforms, you can go every hour of the day and find it on the internet, the speed of radicalization for young people is now akin to when i saw in the fbi with regard to violent jihad in extremism. and hate filled islamic terrorism. so why are we doing? we need to get fortune out of business, is my opinion. we've got a guy named elon musk who may be poised to take over twitter. why has he told us in the last couple of weeks? if it is legal, quote, i will allow it. unquote. if that is your threshold, that

it is legal, we are in trouble. because i've read the manifesto this young man. and guess what? aside from talking about killing people, everything else in there, the hate and vitriol and violence, is perfectly legal. so i have to ask someone like elon musk, you may be about to take over the house of twitter. do you want this in your house? do you understand the threat that has become mainstream? when you congressional regulation of social media, platforms to step up and take care of business. and all of us need to call it out when it is coming to our house every night on cable television. >> i think you underlined so many things. first of, all this incident was parallel to the massacre that happened in el paso. both of these individuals decided that they were going to jump into their car and drive hundreds of miles across the state so that they can cause maximum harm to the community. they decided to create a manifesto, they talked about replacement theory, they talked about it being --

motivated by what they read online. but then, in the case of the el paso shooter, he was quoting a former president of the united states talking about the invasion of migrants. talking about the idea of replacement theory. how do you reconcile that with now having mainstream, not just in the form of the twice impeached president of the united straits, but members of congress also peddling this kind of garbage that will divide a country that is 40% people of color? frank, how do we address that? >> i have said this before. we have got to call it who is responsible for this. and be unafraid of it. and i think many people are tiptoeing around this. concerned about liability. let us confront it head on. former president trump gave license to hatred. he made it okay to hate. he made it okay to have conspiracy theories that are absolutely lunatic. and now extremely mainstream

and dangerous. what has happened here is he is taking a set of facts about immigration data, and yes, the fact that people are looking less and less white in america. what have they done with an? they have turned it into an evil theory that it is a strategy, a deliberate strategy, to replace the electorate. so there will be a permanent liberal stronghold in america. there is no evidence of, that by the way. but yes, it has become normal to do that. so we have to have people ask themselves, when you vote for somebody, do you really want to vote for hatred? what is your vision of america moving forward? a place where people can come together? a place that reflects the modern-day statue of liberty, at ellis island? or some kind of hate based splits america? is that what you are voting for? know your candidates. look, as we speak, there is minimal coverage. even on fox news. i too did not swing to see if they were even addressing this horrible tragedy. they were not.

number 19. jim so it is going to be hard to get through to these people. >> frank and rashad, that is all the time we have. but i know i want to bring you back. i have to share this with you. oftentimes i say that multicultural america is our superhero strength. and racism is our achilles heel. it is much of this happening here domestically, but the foreign interference that tries to galvanize and mobilize these extremists and these views. but we need to do is exactly, frank, what you end rashad are saying. we have to have conversations. but we also have to have accountability for the people who are banning these conversations. thanks so much for joining me this morning. still ahead. it is officially midterms easing and democrats are bracing for the worst. we are taking a look at the key state level races and the gaming legislation that could come from them. and, russia suffering major military losses in ukraine, including an entire battalion. we've got an update on the war. i, first went after the break, i will be speaking with derek johnson. the president and ceo of the

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>> that was buffalo's mayor, brian brown, speaking to the press yesterday about the 18 year old mass shooter who terrorized his city. officials are calling it a racially motivated hate crime. ten people are dead and three others injured. 11 of those 13 victims were black. joining me now is derek johnson, the president and ceo of the naacp. derek, thank you so much for joining me with such a tragic background. i want to get your thoughts right now. we're hearing so much that this young man was radicalized on social media, because he was bored. could you talk a little bit about your reaction to that? >> we have to decide, as a society, as a country, how we're going to address domestic terrorism. how we want to address the platforms that allow for the type of hate, radicalization to take place. whether it's on social media, whether it's fox news.

at some point, we have to stop repeating these stories. it is unfortunate. coming out of the pandemic, many people were quarantined, mental health issues are at an all-time high. here you have a young man, very similar story to what happened in wisconsin, very similar story to what happened in the synagogue in pittsburgh, very similar story, we can go on and on and on. the real question is, what are we going to do about? it when will facebook, when will other social media platforms be held accountable? when will fox news be held accountable? when will we deal with the gun industry that continues to allow this to happen? this nation has to deal with domestic terrorism, and we must do so aggressively. we must do so decisively. so we won't continue to repeat the same story, over and over again. >> derek, you and i have talked a lot about this increased violence that we are feeling as communities of color. this is very much a playbook

and blueprint that we saw in el paso, and you marched and supported the latino community, recognizing that there is no place for hate in this country. and yet, as you mentioned, it keeps going and there seems to be no political will. i often have to remind people that, when we talk about communities of color, we are not a small community. we're talking about 140 million americans who happen to be brown, black and asian and native. so, how can we get political will to ensure that our communities are safe and we go to the grocery store? >> you think about el paso. el paso was a part of a seven-day reign of terror. you go from el paso to pittsburgh to louisville, kentucky. in that seven days, we had three separate incidents taking place, targeting the african-american community, the latino community, the jewish community. at the end of the day, white supremacy cannot coexist with democracy.

one bemis prevail. because if we allow white supremacist dogma to continue to dominate the public square, if we allow white supremacist behavior to continue to play itself out with the level of boldness that we've seen over the last few years, this democracy will not survive. this is not about one community, this is about the collective hole of this nation. we must stop this, we must stop this by ensuring that the justice department targets white supremacist behavior. use the rico stature. we're seeing rappers being arrested under rico, when we know that white supremacist cells exist. we know who they, are they attacked our capital. we must act decisively. corporate america was a part of stop hate for profit because facebook allowed for their platform to be used to radicalized individuals. at one point, -- >> derek, i want to ask you -- derek, i want to ask, you very quickly, what happens when the leadership is actually

purporting a lot of this? when you see members of congress actually talking about replacement theory on their twitter, encouraging this violence, what kind of censure can we have for them? >> they need to be treated like the citizens they are and be brought under some type of investigation, indicted and prosecuted. at some, point we must decide what is political and what is consistent with our constitution. and what is under our constitution as equal protection under the law and all citizens are deserving of that. if anyone violates, that they should be treated as the criminals that they are. >> thank, you derek johnson, naacp president ceo. thank you for joining me this morning. coming up, the russian army did not expect to face that resistance from the people of ukraine and its military. what is putin's next move? we'll talk about it, next. stay tuned. bout it, next. stay tuned tests positive for pd-l1,

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this is not a good look for putin and his military, who have been racking up losses since the start of the war. according to an intelligent upstate by the british military of defense, russia did not expect such a strong resistance from the ukrainians. revealing a weaklings in the kremlin's strategy. putin's attempt to secure a timely victory in ukraine was -- during the victory celebration. it was expected to be a major celebration of military might, but putin was unable to announce such success when it comes to ukraine. joining me now is gary gus roth, chairman of the -- foundation into the new democracy initiative. and russian pro democracy leader. i have to ask you, gary, last monday was may 9th. this was when the war was supposed to be over, and putin was supposed to be doing victory laps. what's happened? >> nothing. we saw that putin had nothing to announce and talked about

the reasons why -- ukraine. but he failed to deliver the spectacular russian people. and now and there with more good news from ukraine, good news for us and good news for ukrainians for the free world. the russian army stumbled and is failing. it is failing to continue to resolve things in eastern ukraine, and that is why we hear very different noises from moscow in putin's speech on may 9th was the first indicator that they might be looking for a corporation -- size a victory. >> he had nothing for the day of celebration of military might that basically goes back over a century ago. how are the russian people, therefore, reacting to him coming empty-handed? >> as a russian citizen, i have to say that it is not nothing. it is 25,000 russian soldiers

being killed there. i am not counting the number of tanks and military jets and other equipment. and of course, tens of thousands of ukrainian civilians. that is not nothing. and it takes time for russian people to understand the magnitude of this disaster. russia is heading for one of the greatest military defeats in history. and it would take time for all the russian citizens to understand. it's because it is not germany 94 or japan 1945. we've not seen bombs dropped on the russian cities. but it is a fact that russia is no longer what they thought it was, and this is a country that will have to reassess her relations with neighbors. ukraine, georgia, moldova. there was no other trans for us to survive. but to eradicate the imperial

virus from this geopolitical behavior. >> you are massive master chess player, gary. what happens now to the people surrounding putin? for a long time he was able to pacify the alex by playing the money and making sure they had access to industry. what's happening now is a chess player when it comes to the inner circle of putin? what do you see? >> i think it is more about psychology rather than rules. i cannot verify this but i believe that all of them or at least most of them jesus. not because putin is a war criminal. they did not care about it. but because he is losing. and a dictator who is losing the war is an ideal target for creates and also win a coup. i think they are now looking for the rest of the world to initiate facing the corporation that is when we hear the voices of president macron too many famous political pundits like

-- saying it is time to make peace with ukraine, and give them back territory. it is not going to happen, but for putin and his lieutenant's, that is what they are trying to achieve. >> the last time you want to share with me your friend was recently retained, he was a journalist. vladimir -- can you talk a bit about him? have you spoken him since he has been a arrested by the russian government? >> he is arrested in russia. this is not america, this is not europe. you don't talk to people who arrested by the putin regime unless they are -- to talk. his faith remains in question. and i believe that the best chance for him and the other heroes under putin's resistance to be released, is a colossal -- on the regime. which will follow the defeat in ukraine. >> thank you for your handedness this morning. the human rights foundation

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me in studio to talk about how voters can overcome the swath of voter suppression laws sweeping the country. pulitzer prize-winning journalist carroll -- four-time pulitzer prize -winning carolinians, stops by to talk about the january six subpoena, to five republican members of congress. and what could be coming next. and it gets another in studio guest today, award-winning access all free weather joins me to talk about a special initiative she is heading up to honor the memory of the late and great civil rights giant congressman john lewis. all of this and moye is coming up on the sunday show. >> thank you so much jonathan. with folks need to know is that the way jonathan gets energized is that he has this fabulous music playlist in the background. and i realized, i need to give me some of that. jonathan, do not forget him. do not change the channel. he is no credible is coming up. -- >> great to see you, maria

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country, midterm election season has officially begun. right now, all the official wisdom tells us that republicans are pushing back control of congress. -- have last season congress in six of the seven midterm elections. employee averages show republicans with a small but consistent lee heading into november. what would republicans do if they managed to move back the house? just take a look around. republicans in states across the country are looking to implement abortion restrictions in anticipation of a decision to overturn roe. some red state legislators are even prepared to outlaw some of

the most common forms of birth control. you are that, right at lock or throw. there are 22 states that are likely to ban abortion. almost all of them are controlled by republicans. conservative lawmakers in 37 state states have introduced anti lgbtq legislation. just this year, six republican governors have already signed those bills into law. that list is not even include states like texas. where the republican governor just order the doctors stop providing essential medical care for trans he. in a state across the country, republicans are cracking down on everything from abortion to voting rights, to math textbooks. yes, math textbooks. and they are banning books in general in the school curriculum. what does all this mean for the midterms and a year where republicans are supposed to be in favor of winning? i have got the great amar jones and maria cox to get to the bottom of this after this quick break. stay tuned. stay tuned

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founder of -- and transgender law center. also, marie cox political columnist and host a space nation podcast. thank you so much for joining us this morning. so much to talk about on this political panel. i think that one of the things it is absolutely on the docket is for democracy. and not just in the, courts but also when it comes to midterm

elections. henry, i want to get your. thoughts we oftentimes ring our hands like, how close is this midterm going to be? some of them i keep hearing political malaise coming out. a lot of the d.c. elite class saying, it is almost like a fail complete. we have lost it and are throwing in the towel. if we already know how republicans will govern. and they are not in power. talk to me about this political malaise. >> well, i think people feel attacked, let's say that. here in texas, the woman i talked to, abortion is functionally band here. because the a weak cut off means that a lot of women don't know whether or not they are pregnant. also, although we don't have any laws banning transgender fit care, to gender forming care for trans kids, because the governor's pronouncement, many hospitals have stopped providing it. so we here in texas are living

under where they might look like for everyone. and it is pretty grim. but i want to say that i don't see malaise. i see anger, is when i see. everyone i know, i felt a little left out yesterday. i did make it to the capitol for the protest, but there were thousands and thousands of women there. and i think that people feel energized, if also again, we are already living out of this. i want to say that one of the problems here is voter laws. because there are lots of places in the country where we can try to do turnout. where people who are upset about the way things are going can do the organizing. but these different kinds of voter restrictions, these different kinds of i.d. laws, or early voting restrictions, are making it really hard. even if you are in the majority to actually come to power. and we are seeing this right now. we saw five people overruled

the will of the country last week. or being prepared to do that, i should say. i don't think it is malaise but i do think there is a sense that, what we can do besides voting? let me put it that way. what can we do besides wait for our lawmakers to do something to help the people that again, already need help in places like texas here. >> imara jones, i want to bring you to the conversation. a lot of times people say, we voted. we have the senate. we have the house. we have the white house for those that mobilizing 2019, and again in 2020. and yet all these restrictions that -- highlight seems likely will be the law of the land when we talk abortion care in this country. what can washington do differently from the folks are currently in power? and then what can people do differently? they're trying to prevent us going back into the 19th

century. >> well i think that thinking about washington is the problem. that is to say, one of the ways that we've ended up in this particular position is because the far right question nationalist right, which has aligned itself with the republican party, has had a grassroots strategy since the 19 80s. and particularly sense they had a growing understanding that changing populations in the united states admits that winning federal elections would be harder and harder. they had a strategy to take over state houses. and to implement laws that way. and also through the election of -- i think the thinking about washington as the font of our solution is the wrong strategy. that is to say, people need to turn out for state houses and for the election of local judges. we know that the way that these

issues around gender and gender identity and voting rights, that is race, transit issues, and issues around abortion, when intersecting are grounded in the idea of what we saw in buffalo yesterday. which is replacement theory. and replacement theory has embedded itself as a political strategy, and as a political ideology, within the republican party. because they have seen time and time again that a generates enough turnout for local races in order for them to get support. so we need to understand this not is a national strategy, not as a strategy that is aimed at washington, but as a local one. and because democratic groups and progressive groups have been playing the opposite game, we are in this position. >> anne-marie, i want to talk a little bit about that. because i actually think that the democratic consulting class is misreading the folks that came out in 2018 in 2020. i actually believe that what we

are seeing is that we are missing this opportunity to organize the individuals that yesterday marched in these various capitals. a recent poll came out and found that young people were in favor of choosing a democrats in 2022. by 21 points. even though there are approval rating of biden's underwater. these approval ratings seem almost a key to what macron was facing when he had a white nationalist on the top of the ballot. if anything, it is more the people are saying, no, we are going to mobilize because we need to see -- democracy. what do you say to that political class that has this ability to believe that it is okay because their life is going to be okay, even though the majority people who are impacted, the individuals that mri is talking about, will have life-changing repercussions if they come to office. i don't say this lightly, but it is more, what is being

presented to them? >> i was going to say, i've been holding my nose for so long it is a wonder that i can breathe. the choices -- >> we need to breathing! >> the choices for people on the left already graham. i agree we need to think about state houses a lot. when you think about local races a lot. there is actually a runoff between traditionally pro-life republican, who is pretty pro-life, and the republican who has floated the idea of the death penalty for people who provide abortions. that is a runoff. he has made it that far. it was a five person race, in the top two are going to vote. i don't know if this has been, but this is a state house election. it really does not take much. so when i talked about before about what can you do besides voting, i think i do mean, maybe run yourself. maybe do that. i also think we really need to think about organizations on the ground to provide the kind of services that are going to be missing. here in texas the race for

abortion outside the state of texas is about 1000 percent. 1000 percent in neighboring states. and that happened because those networks of people who are taking woman out of state. i also wanted to point out we were talking about the groups that be most heavily impacted by these laws. they are already happening for poor people, for queer people, for people of color. they are the people that are already impacted by just the tightening on these restrictions. and they are going to be the ones that are most heavily impacted when, not if, these things come to pass. i don't think i am being dramatic. all of these things, from gender affirming care -- >> not at all, ana marie. and because of that, i do want to pivot very quickly to the massacre that happened yesterday. this is been the case posted an apparent manifesto which details specific attacks on black people, and was filled

with racist antisemitic conspiracy theories. rashad robinson, the president of color of change, who are spoke with earlier, so the many of the people drawing the line connecting the mainstreaming of racism, white supremacy rhetoric, and conspiracy theories and this racist violence. he tweeted, quote, whether or not anyone helps the buffalo shooter plan his what's for this active terrorism, he is not alone actor. he is on a team that has, honors coaches, and infrastructure. took across in this part of. it trump is part of it. people in congress are part of it. congressman, imara, what can we do? >> i think we have to take it seriously. one of the ways that we have ended up here is that we don't take seriously the fact that when people in power targets and trans, people people of color, and women. and then develop as super shot said, not only an ideology but an entire infrastructure.

and the infrastructure is not only the people at the top. for example, we know that there are people in right-wing racist groups that are looking for individuals like the shooter to cultivate and to turn into violent shooters. >> and then marie, that is the last word. we are finishing up. you're absolutely right. you and on marie cox are absolutely right. we need every single person to mobilize and to vote. imara jones founder and ceo of translash media. and anna marie cox, columnist, thank you. thank you for watching velshi. catch ali back here next saturday from eight to 10 am eastern. the sunday show with jonathan capehart starts now. >> horror in buffalo. ten people killed at a grocery store and fischel say racism was the motive. >>