a very good day 12 you from msnbc world headquarters here in new york. welcome everyone to alex witt reports. 12 75 jump. >> people down. >> when they first saw him shooting, he shot a, woman he shot a kid, he shot another woman. then he went in the store and started shooting again. >> multiple active shooters. still trying to see them fire. >> -- body armor. about 20 feet out. >> army brown boots. sunglasses on. hat on. he had a machine gun or something. a strap on this. >> we are going to need some officers inside, we have

numerous bodies and bullets and everything. >> utterly chilling. that's tragedy released on a predominantly black community in buffalo, new york. at this hour, vigils and minerals are taking place around the city to mourn ten people killed by a lone gunman. who they say subscribe to a white supremacist ideology. let's go right now to nbc's jesse courage, she is on the scene there in buffalo. joining us right now. jesse, houston is that community? less than 24 hours after this initial attack, folks go grocery shopping on a saturday afternoon. ten of them do not make it home. >> yes alex. i think there is a question of how this alleged -- makes its way into this community, this country. this is become a place of memorial. you have flowers here, candles. this memorial has grown throughout the day. i saw somebody put an american flag there earlier. i've seen people staring at the

supermarket just behind where i am right now, there are still crowds milling about here. i want to show you one other thing that puts into context the salt in the wound, which is already horrific. they have some food here that there. you can see that they have got fresh fruit, peanut butter and jelly, brett. this is food meant to replace what is currently lost. if you look across the street, that is the supermarket. where horror said to have unfolded yesterday. without that supermarket. some people in the community have told me that this area becomes a food desert. and that is something we are obviously always talking about in minority communities across this country. that being a concern. so the supermarket is still closed, still taking office in active crime scene, is not available to people to get groceries. and one man said to, me there is a potential for people being worried about going back in, even when it does open. but for, now this remains closed. it was a peaceful grocery store yesterday, but it became a killing field.

>> buffalo, new york, relaying after a gunman went on a racist grocery store rampage, shooting 13 people and killing ten. >> we are hurting. and we are seething right now, as a community. >> all but two of the victims were african american. >> this was pure evil. straight-up racially motivated hatred. >> the unvarnished tragedy. first responders seen next one apparently lifeless body. >> i saw a lot of people who were in distress. they did not know where their loved ones were. if they were okay. >> police is a tactic hand around 2:30 saturday, when the assailant opened fire in the parking lot. >> then moving inside the store, or security guard fought back. former buffalo police officer called a hero.

>> fired multiple shots. stru round. the suspects engaged our retired officer, and resulting late shot at the scene. >> police say the attacker finally surrendered after putting a gun to his neck and then being persuaded by officers to drop it. >> i understand the charges. >> prosecutor say 18 year old -- was a man responsible, charged with one count of murder in the first degree. authorities say he traveled hours to buffalo armed with an assault weapon. long forsman sources tell nbc news it appears the n-word was etched into one of multiple weapons recovered. denver allegedly wrote a manifesto inspired by white supremacist ideology, which that the rampage was briefly livestreamed on the platform, before the feed was removed. the tragedy marks the fourth mass shooting in the grocery store since march 2021. and the second rampage to shape

in new york in just over a month. >> i am angry. i have seen violence from guns. on the brooklyn subway. and now on the streets of buffalo. it has to stop. >> the friendly market issuing a statement saying, in part, we are shocked and deeply saddened by this senseless act of violence. our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families. yet another american community is now grappling with the unconscionable. >> we cannot let an evil person divide this community. and an evil person divide our country. >> a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news that authorities are looking at that possible alleged manifesto, which contained racist and antisemitic tropes. that manifesto, that potential manifesto, allegedly also claiming that the suspect became radicalized in an online extremist forum because he was

bored at the beginning of the pandemic. and again, this is the aftermath here. you can see we've got the american red cross on the scene, community organizations out. their memorial continuing to grow, people continuing to stand out here. and again, alex, i just want to emphasize at the heart of all this, the community trying to move forward. a community very much in grief, or we might learn the names very soon. and that grief can only be exaggerated once people realize, more people potentially realize, that they knew someone who was killed. and again, the supermarket remains closed as a crime scene, while people may now be struggling to get goods, healthy food. exacerbating this allegedly heinous and hate filled attack,. >> i'm grateful for you for pointing out that food bank. that is helping people who can't get into one of the only grocery stores anywhere nearby. so that is a blessing, those people come out and see that the.

let me just ask you one thing about that manifesto, as if that were to explain the insanity of all of this. i believe it was posted thursday. can you confirm that? on what kind of form it was? how many people might have seen this and not alerted anybody? >> well, at this point, all we have heard from sources is that this alleged manifesto is being looked at. we have been able to look at documentation. there are claims made in the documentation, we do want to inflame any allegations tied to that. but officials have not gone further than letting us know on background, we have heard this being looked at. we this is obviously very fresh investigation. so for the -- only been charged with one count of murder in the first degree. and we know the charging documents and how strange things later. on federal authorities are looking into this as well. alex, going back to that point you made about this community,

remember, this is a minority majority community. majority minority community. one of the things in this election all this is that the suspect came here specifically because he was looking for a lot of black people. that is just one more salt in the wound, alex. >> okay. jesse kirsch, thank you again. excellent reporting. let's bring in catherine white, former prosecutor and fbi special agent. catherine has been involved in violence prevention since the sandy hook shooting. those were in 2012, everyone, so as she is a long year doing that. also part of a white house national security commission led by then vice president joe biden. she has also written several pieces of research on mass shootings that are still used to train agents today. her book, something we should all take a look, at is called a stop the killing. how to end the mass shooting crisis. it was up to date three short months ago. so, i have established catherine why you are an expert in so many ways on all of this. give me a sense of the events,

the details you've heard so far. one in the world happened? >> yeah. thank you for having me on today. it is, i hate to still be an expert in this ten years more after sandy hook. and i think your reporter is fair neutral when he says when he said. but i guess i can be a little bit more direct and say, we haven't international crisis going on that has to deal with this racially motivated violent extremism. it is the top priority for the fbi's counter terrorism domestic terrorism investigations, if they work. it is not a problem that is easily solved. it is not going away. >> evidence to support that right now, let's take a look at the recent mass shootings declared by officials to have been racially motivated. nine killed at the emmanuel church in charleston. 11 killed at tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. 23 killed in a walmart in el paso, and now ten killed at talks in buffalo.

officials say repeatedly what's seems to drive it is some kind of combination of hateful ideology online, along with access to guns. do you agree with that? >> yes. i think that you cannot deny that here in the united states, we do have tremendous access to guns, more guns than people. this is an international problem. christchurch in new zealand was motivated, in part, for this guy according to what he wrote in his manifesto. most of his manifesto, i think a lot of it, was literally lifted from the grace try starts mass shooter manifesto. so there's a handful that we've seen across the world. similar to what we see in the united states. i would say the one thing is important for people to remember is this is a black community, a black grocery store, primarily. okay. but tree of life was jewish. and el paso was hispanic.

and immigrants. so no one is really safe as long as we feel a constant leave that there are people who can be radicalized online, and then you don't see them and do something about it. this kids not just dropping out of nowhere, and that is the bigger story that will continue to unfold there. >> radicalized online but what's promised ideology. fact. investigators say that this 18 year old was on this extremist forum. he was born at the beginning of the pandemic. he also livestreamed the attack. does anything stand out to you about his age? does that surprise you in any way? just 18. >> 18, there are a couple of things. he had more than one offense, although only one -- he was around a gun culture. he considered himself a gun not, as he said. so i think that at that young age, do you brains as we all know are kind of slow to

develop. it takes time, until your 20s, to connect everything inside. therefore there are very easily influence. he really did not have a lot of history of looking in this, but he was maybe a few years. nobody is ten and says i want to do this for the rest of my life. because this guy is in jail for the rest of his life. and kudos to the police for being able to talk him down when you put that gun up to his chin way. but this idea he is so young is not unusual. that is who is on these. some of these websites who have millions of people, hundreds of millions of people on them, looking for interesting things. and the videos are those live streams from the christchurch shooting are passed around. that streaming video that was shot by that shooter is still

there. >> let me talk about some local outlets in buffalo. they are reporting that the suspect was not unknown to authorities before this incident. so the question, is why was he not prevented from buying an ar-15? can anyone walk in and then walk out of a store with an ar-15? and to what extent are people monitored when there is some kind of an early flag to an individual buying a gun like this? >> two questions. one, obviously the gun question. state laws, there is federal over laws on guns that are limited, state laws are bigger set of laws for guns. so if the state law allows, it state law allows her, there is also i think critically understand in the united states, state law can allow you to buy a particular weapon and carry it and there is nothing that prohibits you from caring across state lines. there is no mechanism to prohibit to that. and we want and love that freedom.

but then the risk comes with it. maybe state laws can be passed that up the age of purchase for instance on such types of weapons. but we also know that we have a hunting culture in the united states. just like we saw in oxford, michigan, we have parents who bought their trounced a gun, who is 15 years old. and they bought it for christmas present. and when you, don't as a parent, appreciate. and your kid is smoking on the stories he is telling, you and you don't appreciate that you can trust your kids, but don't put a gun in his hands, a lot of guns, as many as a third of the guns in the united states, are unsecured. that is intolerable. it is just intolerable. it is ridiculous. so you get a young kids, they are going to be more susceptible online. your second question, i don't remember your second question was because i was talking. >> the second question was, why

are people not flags, because we saw that this particular individual was not unknown to police. >> that is a hard part, right. when you to find somebody who says something, and say that we have way too many stories to tell you that we do not have time for about individuals who wrote in their school papers that they were going to do this, who told teachers and counselors and friends. that's leakage, we call it, it occurs. and it occurs not just in a ten minute time. it occurs over months and years. they make the statements. but the thing is, their statements, they are just statements. so even for mental health counselor is brought in. even if somebody says, i want to commit a violent act in my future, it is an uncertain date and certain location. and then when mental health and law enforcement are engaged, counters are engaged, very often we see, and especially the ones i've seen, where the shooter ends up doing just that, the reporters go back.

the shooter says, i was just getting. i would never do that. i was just getting. and that is exactly what happens in all of these situations. confident as more furniture comes out about the shooter that is exactly what will happen. there were indicators, there was leakage. and they cannot really do anything about it. >> catherine schweit, glad to have you back in talking to us and eliminating all this for us but i hate the circumstances under which we do it. i look forward to seeing you again. let's go quickly to the nation's capital, because just a few moments the president will honor the officers who lost their lives in the line of duty this past year. he is part of the national peace officers memorial day. we are going to bring you those remarks as soon as he gets underway. going right now. first, squeezing something in with our good friend josh erin lederman. you will be hitting the road shortly, as the president's shadow. let's talk about we expecting today. he will address this buffalo

treating? >> we certainly expect that the president will likely address the buffalo shooting, perhaps as he begins his remark and keynote speech at that memorial service for fallen officers. which will be a suitable environment for the president to deliver the kind of message that he wants to today. one is of course to reprise his role as consoler-in-chief to the nation. unfortunately, this president has had to play it so many times. putting the gun under 60, by advocacy group, more than 150 mass shootings just since this president took office. and i think he will also echo some of the comments that president biden made in the re-statement he issued just before midnight, where the president not only praise the peace officers who responded to this incident for their bravery, but also called this a racially motivated hate crime. he said it was a foreign to the fabric of the nation. and i believe we could see the president they're taking the stage as he is about to begin.

his remarks in those other statements, he also called this an act of domestic terrorism. which is a pretty significant moniker for the president to be putting on this. wanting to make clear, this is not something that he is going to tolerate, even as the options he tries to address >> let me just double track. did you say the president, since he's been in office, during that duration of time has driven 850 mass shootings in this country? was that the number? >> that is correct, alex. according to gun violence advocacy groups, there are more than 850 incidents that can be high-rises mass shootings just since the moment last january when president biden was inaugurated. >> that is stunning and tragic. josh, thank you so much for that. we appreciate your support for the president. for all of, us let's go quickly back there and show you a photo. i will tell you what we are keeping an eye on with the president. this is the 41st annual

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we're keeping a close eye on washington, d.c.. specifically the capital, we do expect the president to take to the podium there at 41st national memorial service. the national peace officers memorial. when he gets to that podium, we'll take you there live. in the meantime, we'll give you some new insight into what is next if those five house republicans subpoenaed by the january 6th elect committee failed to comply. house republican leader kevin

mccarthy and representatives andy biggs, moe brooks, jim jordan and scott perry. they have until late may tourist back to subpoenas, which are largely shrouded in secrecy. we're going to nbc's allie raffa, who is going to bring us the latest on all of. this again, ali, i apologize for interrupting you if the president takes the podium. we'll take a quick break but away. but that, point this penis have been issued. so, what's next? >> right now, alex, it's a waiting game to see if any of these five comply with the subpoenas, as you mentioned, before the end of the month. right, now they haven't said whether they would, but is appearing on likely. because they've condemned the committee and its probe, and they've all been asked previously to voluntarily answer questions before the committee and all of them have refused. so, if they indeed do not comply with the subpoenas, that committee is left with very few options. the first of which is to refer this to the house ethics committee. this is a committee that is evenly divided between democrats and republicans. so, that is likely to take a very long time to go through

that committee. their second option is to recommend criminal referrals to the justice department. this is something we're familiar with, because this is what the house has voted on for former members of trump's inner circle. like dan scavino, peter navarro, steve bannon. but, remember, that requires a vote on the house floor, which is unprecedented. the fact that some of these lawmakers colleagues could be voting on this. how speaker nancy pelosi was actually asked about this on abc this morning, whether, if they do not comply, whether the house will vote to recommend these charges to the justice department. listen here. >> the committee will take this one step at a time. but i'm very proud of the committee, they are working in a very strong, bipartisan way to seek the truth, find the truth of what happened with an assault. people say to, me this is unprecedented. yeah, it was unprecedented for the president of the united states to incited insurrection on the capitol, on the congress, on the constitution in that

manner. and we must seek the truth, and i'm proud -- >> to issue it with this option, if this is indeed a matter of the lawmakers not complying and as the route they choose to go is that the justice department has been very slow to act on the criminal referrals already sent to it. attorney general merrick garland is unlikely to move any faster for referrals, for sitting lawmakers, despite all of this, benny thompson says, the committee will go forward with his plans to start those long awaited public hearings on tonight. but this is still going to have major echoes in the next congress, when republicans are poised to win back the majorities in house and the senate. that is looking very likely to happen, alex. >> okay, allie raffa, thank you so much for that. again, everyone, we're keeping a close eye on the president but we're going to start right now with our good friend peter baker. my goodness, not patty. chief white house correspondent for the new york times and an msnbc political analyst. i'm glad we didn't see your

face as i made that little faux pas. probably like what, anyway. considering all these new subpoenas and the leaked mccarthy comments that we've had surrounded january 6th, those here to four. is it generating public interest in these hearings? they are slated to start tonight, do you think is possibly going to make for compelling tv? what is your gauge on that? >> well, that's a good question. i don't know if there's a whole lot of people as of the beltway who are hanging on the counter this moment. but once it goes on television, once you start actually see people testify questioned under oath than anything can happen. we've seen in the, past history has shown many times, when congressional hearings have in fact captivated an audience. have been fact brought home to the public the consequences of some issue or another in a very visceral way, that could happen here. but we don't know that. that's gonna be the real challenge for this committee, is can they breakthrough a population, a public, that is pretty much already decided what they think about this?

people are very polarized in this country, they feel strongly one way or the other. very few things seem to be dislodging people from their previously held beliefs at this point. everybody simply looked at the facts that come in through the lens of their already established positions and interpret them accordingly. we'll see whether these guys can do anything different, in that regard. >> peter, has anybody, those people that you say who are entrenched in their beliefs, they give any credit to the fact that kevin mccarthy, lindsey graham, mitch mcconnell, all of whom immediately in the wake of one sakes went bad news bears on what happened here? this was terrible, responsibility held to some degree by donald trump on all of this. it really, guess what, i'm just hearing i can't even finish the question. now we're getting president biden going to talk. as promised, everybody, let's go to the president.

>> thank you for inviting me to join you today, and for the service you have extended on this issue. also like to think the attorney general eric garland. attorney general gupta. homeland security secretary mayorkas, and the director of the fbi senior holding back on firearms. u.s. capitol police. all for being here, but for your leadership. also joined by my longtime friends senator patrick law he and house majority leader -- before i begin, let me say a word about yesterday's mass shooting in buffalo, new york. a lone gunman, armed with a war hole and hate filled soul, shot and killed ten isn't people in cold blood at the grocery store on saturday afternoon.

mike all of you, pray to the victims and their families. and he devastation to the community. i am receiving updates for my team in the white house, close contact with the justice department. we are still gathering the facts already. the justice department is taking publicly, and is investigating the matter as a hate crime. a racially motivated act of white supremacy and violent extremism. as they do, we must all work together to address the hate that remains a stain on the soul of america. hearts are heavy once again, but resolved to never waver. no one understands us more than the people sitting in front of me. moms, dads, children and family members. about how those folks in buffalo feel today when they got the call.

they know if you can pull in the black hole in your chest, there is no way out. jill and i know, we know no memorial, no gesture, can fill the void in the hearts that they have now, or that you have lost someone feels as well. being here today and hearing the name of your husband or wife, father mother son brother sister, brings it all back, as if you got that phone call ten minutes ago. the american people, we owe you one. you know, you sit down in the street, normal families, all neighbors. and every day, you worry. when you wary, you get that phone call.

you get down on that shield. now you are looking in that chair. although i did not personally know your, husbands wives, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, i knew them. they were the first ones to run into help when everyone else ran away, our kids, our young men and women. in grade school, they would jump in when someone else was threatening or being bullied regardless of the odds. think about it. part of their dna. they did not think about it in terms of serving and protecting and defending, but that's what they did, they served even before they put on that shield. they protected and they were there. we the police officer it is not just what they did it is who they were. i was telling the president of this organization, i grew up in

the neighborhoods. he became a cop, a firefighter, a priest. i wouldn't qualify for any of them. so here i am. but all kidding aside, we expect so much from our law enforcement officers. well this is a different world. that we are in. just in the last several years, it is so much more complicated, the job is complicated. and we expect so much more of all of you. we expect you to be drug counselors for the hundred thousand overdose deaths that took place this year. 100,000. we expect you to counsel those were in the midst of a violent confrontation, husband and wife,

man and woman. so many of you are literally and figuratively figuratively getting caught in the cross fires. you are not psychologist. you are law enforcement officers. we expect you to be everything. we expect everything of you, being a cop today is a heck of a lot harder than it has ever been. covid-19, 1 million deaths in america. leaving behind white estimates indicate. nine significant family members. also looking at a new chair that kicks the table. so many kids left behind. because of covid, schools closing down. you engage in longer shifts. the strange stress of it all.

which is why i continue to be so committed to do more, do better. to keep you safe. to keep our community safe. to build trust and respect everyone deserves, particularly all of you. we should focus on and to fund, the things we know that work. my crime prevention and community policing. not one cop in a car, but two in a street. cops can walk with me, who know the neighborhood, who can restore trust and safety. folks, these are not -- in the streets. choosing between safety and equal justice? i think we are great is not to defund the police, but to fund the police. fund them with the resources.

which they need to protect our communities themselves. to restore trust. in the police and in the people. my dad used to say, let me tell you with i value joe. he looked at me and said, don't tell me what you -- my dad was a well read, high school educated man. a christian man. he said, don't tell me what you value. show me your budgets. and i will tell you what you value. but here is what i value. as soon as i came to office, we inherited a raging pandemic. only 2 million people vaccinated. we need to rebuild our economy. and restore public safety. we understood the risk that communities could face with rising violence during the pandemic. and in a time when state and

local budgets were striking because they did not have the tax -- they are having to lay off cops, firefighters, teachers. they are under tremendous strain. so make sure to pass the thing called the american rescue plan, providing historic 350 billion dollars directly to cities and counties and states and tribes. so they didn't have to lay off law enforcement. they can keep the cops on the job. quite to keep communities safe. it is working. more than 300 communities, from big cities to small towns, are using more than ten billion dollars. the american rescue plan intervention and public safety this year, new police training facilities. recruiting, which is getting harder. higher.

giving policeman a rage. pardoning the federal state and local community groups. reducing gun violence. intensifying community interventions, trusting community members to work directly with the people who are most likely to commit gun crimes, or be the victims of gun crimes. and intervene before it is too late. my dad always said that everything bad, something good will come of it. we are looking hard to figure out why and what we can do to prevent that law enforcement officer from being put in the middle. i am encouraging every mayor, governor, to use the american resource money they have, and have it now. spend this now. this summer. crime historically spikes. and this rescue funding for

police as part of a complex strategy to combat violence in america. i have laid out this plan and taking a good look at it. my budget last year increased 20% for local law enforcement, going up almost 29%. that included significant investments in community police services. the copper program designed to build a base of trust in communities to address the violent crime, combat hate and extremism. i advise for the next year that you double investment and community voices. find 500 and $73 million. close to over a decade. topping that, it includes 30 billion in new mandatory investments. in law enforcement. crime prevention. during my state of the union

address, i.n.s. with a called a unity agenda. which brings the country together to address the big challenges that we face. one of those included ending the opioid epidemic. and addressing the mental health crisis. so many, young and old, because of this pandemic. they need help. having a problem. mental problem. there is no difference in breaking your arm or your leg, you have to invest in systems which provide adequate health care, counseling, prevention and housing, and other social services. for those that need it the most. right now, most places you serve your time in prison, you've got a bus ticket and 25 bucks and you end up under the same bridge. that you got the one he was arrested under the first time.

you should have access to education, and housing. give them a chance to move beyond where they were. i'm committed to investing in mental health services. getting more school counselors, psychologists, social workers. working all beside you. at the same time, we have to do more to protect our officers, and their emotional well-being. suicide was the second highest cause of death. law enforcement officers in 2021. surpassed only by covid-19. last november, i signed laws that will be extending critical peer counseling, mental health resources, for officers. and eligibility for benefits. first responders. who were disabled in the line of duty. it is not unusual.

we wonder we are talking briefly about the impact of -- on post-traumatic stress. how many police officers have a -- time. doing things they didn't think they would have to do. recognizing in the military more people continue to die. post-traumatic stress at home. and to die. more than any wars are going on now. it matters. we face up to and help these folks, everyone. we need to continue to work on this together. 40% of all the calls that result in an officer's death are calls on a domestic violence dispute. they say again, 40% expect

officers to have degrees and psychology. we expect them to have things that are beyond the capacity of any ph d, not for anybody else. that is why it is so important to get authorization of the -- against women act. providing critical resources to law enforcement. we want to acknowledge law enforcement's constructive role in trying to reach an agreement on meaningful pieces of legislation in congress. we have not gotten there yet. we have to strengthen public trust and public safety. 2021. that was one of the strongest years when it comes to federal support. delivered to state and local law enforcement. these are important steps, but there is much more work to be done. i am committed to being your partner.

and i always have. i will close with this. jill and i know how it is when there is a memorial service for our son who won the bronze star for his service in iraq. we are proud. but we are also -- it is bittersweet. because you remember everything. i want to thank the families that are here. it takes courage to show up, because everything comes back. everything comes back. a short walk from here, national law enforcement memorial, there is a quote on the wall. and the quote goes, it is not how these officers died being

heroes. it is how they lived. to the families. all in the know we have some idea of how hard this. and the day will come when the memory of your loved one will open that closet door and you will smell the scent and go by that parker used to walk in. >> when you hear that song there will come. it will bring a smile to your lip, before it brings tears to your eyes. through your pain, and your will to find a purpose worthy of how you live, you will get through it. there is nothing easy about it. our hope, your prayer, we as a

nation find that purpose as well. in the souls of those you love. and those we serve. rest in peace. raise in glory. god bless you all. and may god protect our police and our troops. god bless you. [applause] >> there is very good reason why joseph biden has called our consoler -in-chief, it is because he can relate to many of the 563 families who are honoring their loved ones. police officers lost in the line of duty. just in this last year we should note that also includes officers who died of covid. that is also something that congress added to this particular 41st annual national police officers memorial.

statements like the president there, talking about what it's like for these families, as they walk in places familiar to them, where they shared with those loved ones they lost walking in a room walking in a place where there is a certain memory or sent that reminds them of their loved one. joseph biden understands that because of the pain and suffering he has gone through, the loss of his loved ones as well. again this is the 41st annual national police officers memorial there at the capitol, our first lady and the president putting the flower there on a reef, that will presumably have a flower for each of those whose memory will be honored today. after their loss in the line of duty. honoring their with a salute as well, hand over the heart. and very have. it we should also say the president addressed that issue

the hate he said must be addressed, that is driving people to commit the horrific, senseless crimes like that which we saw in buffalo yesterday. that racially motivated, we believe, time crime that took the lives of ten people in a predominantly black community. ten of which were shot inside and around the tops friendly market, eight of whom believed to be black, another three surviving their injuries at this point. we will have more on that, now the deadly shooting at the top's market in buffalo. authorities saying again it was racially motivated, the lone gunman opened fire, the suspect deliberately targeted that predominantly black neighborhood, which happens to be the hometown of new york's governor, kathy hochul. >> it is just shattering to the collective psyche of this wonderful, tight-knit community to know that there is such hate,

someone is willing to travel a distance to come and shot of the lives of well-meaning people grocery shopping. it hurts it hurts like hell. >> joining me now is don calloway democratic strategist and democratic protection fund. susan political analyst. and david jolly, former congressman from florida and msnbc political contributor. glad to have you guys weighing in. let me ask for your got reactions on this time and time again we see tragedies like this happen. it could have been prevented. it's exhausting, infuriating heartbreaking. what goes through your mind, don? >> i think we have been doing this for five years now together, alex, and i've lost count of the amount of times we had to pause our political discussions, to take note of these tragic mass shootings, many based in racial analysts. i've lost count.

the synagogue in pittsburgh, the growth retort store in kentucky, the pulse shooting in orlando. as devastating as it is this is the reality that we have decided it's okay in america. it's not a debate anymore we have decided this is how we're going to live, and it will eventually kill us all. this white supremacy, the state, it will eventually kill us all. the time is clicking, when it is our loved ones or ourselves who is in the room, store, there is no sense in acting like this is not a regular part of american like. and we've decided to be like this. >> it's a tragedy making these ten people -- they go grocery shopping on a saturday afternoon, how many times have any of the three of you congress we shopping on saturday afternoon? me too and they don't come home because alone, deranged gunman decides to take them out. it is shocking. susan, what goes through your mind? >> it is shocking, alex, but

you know, i was on a walk with a friend of mine this morning and we were talking about it. and what went through my mind was what about the child that woke up this morning, saw it on the tv and said, mommy, those shooting people who look like me? this is systemic racism that we have in this country, this is someone who is obviously activated in an online type of environment, and it is domestic terrorism. this is a threat against our country. and it's a domestic threat. the debate on guns will go on, but i think that we really need to russian up the pressure on online social media. >> i completely agree with you susan, hold that thought as the police commissioner there in buffalo, new york, is speaking about yesterday's tragedy. take a listen. >> the crime scene is still being held, it will be held as long as we need. the fbi bringing in specialized equipment to help process the scene. this is a very significant coordinated collaborative

effort with the state police, the fbi, the sheriff's department. you, know everybody else involved in this process. the evidence we have uncovered so far makes no mistake that this is an absolute racist hate crime, it will be prosecuted as a hate crime. it is someone who has faith in their heart, soul, and mind, and there's notice mistake that this is the direction it is going in. we will secure a conviction for this individual, to texas, agents, deputies everybody standing before you will work this tirelessly for as long as it needs to go. and it is done by a person again who does not live in our community. who brought this kind of hate you are very close knit buffalo community. we will not tolerate this, we stand tall against, it show how strong we are. all the members of our department, fbi, state, police will continue to fight hate on a daily basis. thank, you we introduce chef john garcia, special agent,

steve below andrea atf or is also represented. sheriff? >> thank you commissioner. as the sheriff, i want to say on behalf of myself, our office, and the residents of the county, our condolences go out to the victims, the families, and the community. i'm not going to mention this individual by name, he does not deserve that. we should never mention his name. as far as we are concerned, he is inmate control number 157053. i can -- i could to state this, he will remain in our custody until further notice. because of his actions yesterday. taking the assault rifle he is on suicide watch. direct observation from our deputies, video surveillance, and he is in a unit which is

separated from all other incarcerated individuals. his travels throughout the facility will be by himself along with two deputies and a sergeant. and he will be treated as everyone else is treated within the center, humanely, with respect, and he will receive the correctional health and mental health that is needed. i believe the narrative should be the actions taken yesterday by buffalo police officers, erie county sheriff deputies, that this shooting started approximately at 2:30 pm. and five hours later, this individual is in custody, arraigned, and behind bars. the bravery by the buffalo police officers who engaged an individual with a vest, an assault rifle, handguns, i

could not say enough about their actions. i cannot say enough about our retired fellow colleague, erin, who confronted this individual, to save lives of others. may he rest in peace. aaron salt or. we will move rward. this individual came from outside the community. this is not the city of good neighbors, a lot of people have reached out to the mayor's office of they have reached out to the erie county sheriff's office to see what they can do. how they can donate to the families, how they can pay for the funerals. this is what our community is all about. this is buffalo, this is erie county. we hate has no place in our county, in our state and in our nation. this is pure evil by one

individual. and i know that this community will come together stronger than ever, more united than ever, because we are buffalo and we are one. god bless the victims, their families, and this entire from -- county. thank you. steve, from the fbi. >> on behalf of the fbi offer my condolences to the families and victims, viciously attacked yesterday. we continue, the fbi continues, to vigorously work this investigation from a federal perspective, from all of our federal, state, and local partners. i would like to give a shout out to the atf, an incredible partner from the beginning on this case, at the federal level. we receive resources, both locally, and federally. and from our headquarters. to assist in this investigation, including from our evidence response unit. and headquarters.

along with our criminal investigative decision. our terrorism division. and our victims services division. we continue to investigate this case as a hate crime, a federal hate crime, and as a crime perpetrated by racially motivated violent extremist. if you have not seen it, the fbi set up a tip line, and if anyone has information that can help with this investigation we hope that you go to fbi.gov slash buffalo shooting.com. fbi.gov slash buffalo shooting. if you have anything relating to the video it would help the investigation. thank you. >> i want to thank blond for cement at every level, federal, state, buffalo police, for their and tremendous response.

the buffalo police responded in less than two minutes after the incident began. i want to say special word of thanks to the buffalo police officers. because if not for their swift response, and courageous actions, more lives probably would have been lost yesterday. that is important to know. this individual came here with the expressed purpose of taking as many black lives as he possibly could. so the buffalo police saved a lot of lives yesterday,. i want to thank them for that. yesterday, as this was unfolding one of the people who reached out was new york state attorney general letitia james. not only did she reach out, but quickly, very shortly thereafter, got on a plane and flew here to be with our community and provide support

and services. my pleasure to introduce our attorney general. >> thank you. i want to thank law enforcement this morning, i also want to thank the district attorney and the assistant united states attorney general prosecuting these cases. da flynn and assistant united states attorney general miss treaty ross for all that they are doing. i know they will bring the full weight of the united states of america to bear justice on this community. which is mourning right now, in pain. and in desperate need of healing. the opportunity to attend a number of churches this morning and i heard about the victims, i heard about the senior citizen who pointed trees on the block, i heard about the woman who just went to visit her husband in a nursing home and stopped by to get something to eat. i heard about the young gentleman who worked in the office of senator kennedy who survived, who was shot in the next -- neck and god spared his life.

i heard about countless victims this morning. i held in my arms a young lady who worked there, who was so afraid she was about to die. who witnessed the bloodshed. who shaped and quiver it in my arms this morning. he was afraid for a community, and for herself. this event will not define buffalo. >> this event will bring buffalo residents together. this event was committed by sick, demented individual, who is fueled a daily diet of hate. so let us know tamper down our comments, all of us. let's make sure that we have standards in journalism. let's make sure that we investigate social media. my office will be focused on doing that as we have been doing for the last few months.

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