a heinous and hateful deadly attack in buffalo new york is put in front of -- great replacement conspiracy theory. and it's a reminder that words have always mattered, folks. our democracy is at stake. and former attorney general eric holder says voting rights are a critical piece of the

pipe. we're going to hear from him in just a few minutes. and we are headed into the culture corner, y'all. our culture critics weighing in on the rico charges for atlanta rappers. i'm simone sanders and i have something to say. at least ten people are dead, according to authorities after a shooter opened fire at tops course around buffalo new york on saturday. the shooter did so in a zip code or nearly 80% of the residents are black. the shooter is now in custody and an apparent manifesto treated to him appeared online in the days before the attack. now this manifesto, it is races -- racist diatribes and antisemitic memes and frequently invokes the white supremacists great replacement theory. which has motivated other

shootings in the past. now the great replacement theory falsely claims that jews are working to replace white people with people of color. with me now, i want to bring our first guest as former u.s. attorney general eric holder. he is the author of the new book, the unfinished march, the violent path and imperiled future of the vote. a history, a crisis, a plan. and eric holder was the attorney general from 2009 to 2015 and it was under his leadership at the domestic terrorism task force was restarted in 2014. general holder, i appreciate you for being here today and i can think about a person to kick off this conversation. with so thank you for your time. >> thanks for having me, simone. it's good to see. you >> absolutely, great to see you. so since you, since 2020, there have been more than 850 mass shootings in america. and that's according to the guns, the group guns down america. that's where that stuff came from. i wondered from you, one else could or should the doj be

doing about this? because you sounded the alarm when you are attorney general. >> yeah, i mean i think we clearly have to deal with the problem of guns and the need for additional measures of gun safety. there are over 350 million guns in the united states of america. too many in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. so that's one thing. i think we also have to deal with what i've come to call this recruitment of hate effort that we see done through social media, through the internet where people are being radicalized. in a way that we have seen other people get radicalized for other causes. now the focus is on racial and ethnic terrorism. and so that combination of those two comes up with a really deadly through. and so it's going to require vigilance on the part of the justice department, working with the state and local partners to try and deal with those underlying causes. getting guns and getting at

this hey speech that we see filtered out. not only on the internet but then kind of hinted that in a more sanitized way in other places. >> you know, general holder, i'm so glad that you talked about both gun safety measures and addressing the prevalence of hate speech on the internet. this morning, all meet the press, the mayor of buffalo spoke directly to this issue. i want to play this for you right now. >> i would like to see ending hate speech on the internet. on social media. it is not free speech, it is not the american way, we are not a nation of haters. we are not a nation of hate. we need to send a message that there is no place on the internet for hate speech, for hate indoctrination. for spreading hate manifesto. >> general hold, or hate speech

is not an actual legal term. people out there might not know that. the supreme court has ruled on this repeatedly, actually. that hate speech is protected by the first amendment. that question to u.s., should hate speech we protect by the first amendment? we know that it is but shouldn't? be >> sure, i mean speech should be protected. that is kind of a hallmark of the america in the system. on the other hand, when you are running a private company. and you see that which -- the tools -- things that make your company quit being used in ways that bring harm to individuals underserved communities. there are ways in which i gotta think, there are tools that can be put in place to minimize. i'm not sure that we're going to be able to eliminate but certainly minimize the amount of hate speech that gets through those platforms. and then gets into these receptive ears who, of people who then access to these weapons and who do the terrible things that we saw in buffalo today. but we saw in pittsburgh before that. and which we've seen around the

country. and one of the things that really struck me is of her people say, this is not about what buffalo was about. this was an apartment of our community. this guy drove from 200 miles away or something like that. and into some thinking that way. this is the american community that is being afflicted by this violence. and we can't just say, it's over there, it's those people, no, this is us. when something happens in buffalo, it has an impact on me here in washington d.c.. and it ought to have an impact on all americans. >> i absolutely agree with you, sir. i want to move to the issue of voting rights. because yesterday on the show, i did a whole thing about faith and institutions and in this new book that you've written, it is not just addressing the issue or the crisis, if you, will that we are currently experiencing. you also talk about solutions. and i think it's fair to say that we have seen the current attorney general, merrick garland, and the department of

justice truly take steps to combat voter suppression. i can think of places like texas, for example, but i'm wondering do you think that they are doing enough. and if not, what more could they be doing? >> yeah, i think they're doing, as good a job as they can. given the fact that the primary tool that they have to work with that is the voting rights act of 1965 was gutted by the supreme court. in this shelby county decision in 2013. and it's one of the things that talk about in the book. the impact of the supreme court on our fight for voting rights. it's why we propose some very specific reforms for the supreme court. but it's also, you know, i think the book is important because we talk about similar situations in our history. so more times in history where individuals regular ordinary people, so-called ordinary people, banded to gather and dealt with a democracy threatening problems in their time. and they did so successfully. and i'm really confident that with the proposals that are contained in this book, and with a committed citizenry, we

can get back to a place where we need to be in this country. certainly the justice department has to do its part. but at the end of the day, it's going to be the american people who ultimately will bring about the need to change. >> i want to talk about that, general holder, because you mentioned the shelby decision. it's shelby county v. holder and you are in fact the holder in that case. and it strikes me that that was an inflection point for you. and shelby county v. holder brought us to where we are right now having this conversation about this book you just put out. and i'm wondering, where do we go from? here >> yet where you said -- the shelby decision was really an inflection point for me. it really shook my faith in the supreme court. it really kind of had an impact on the confidence in the supreme court. after congress had made, conducted these extensive hearings and voted almost unanimously to reauthorize the act after republican george w.

bush had signed the reauthorization supreme court. i think -- decided to gut the voting rights act. well i think, when we go from here? it means that we have to fight as best we can, as we indicated in the book, at the state and local levels to put in place people at the state and local level who will undo a lot of these restrictive voting laws. as was done in virginia. people say you can't do that. we know it was done in virginia. republicans put in a bunch of restrictive unnecessary voter -- laws. when democrats were able to take power, they undid those laws. so we have to do that. but the federal legislation that was not passed by this last congress needs to be reintroduced and ultimately i think repast. by having a set of federal standards and a ratified voting rights act, we can really get to that that our place. so there are mechanisms in place, i think of people look at the book and look at the history.

you can understand that we should not feel that our situation is hopeless. that we have the capacity for the positive change that all of a sikh. >> absolutely. before i let you, go sir, i want to ask you about january six. there are lots of folks who have been critical of current attorney general merrick garland they feel as though he's been slow to act in this chasing this occasion. you, over the last week or so, i think, have been very clear that you think there's enough evidence to indict former president donald trump for his role in january 6th. but i'm wondering about the other leaders in the republican party, specifically members of congress. what are your thoughts there on a possible indictments for them? >> well i think the investigation has to be as wide-ranging as the possibly can. and everybody who was involved in that coup attempt, because that's what it was, it was more riot, it was a coup attempt on january 6th. has to be held accountable. they need to be held responsible for what it is that they did. and that is -- the way we do things america. but there also has to be, they have to be held accountable for

the deterrent effect that it will have stuff future leaders of our country will not think even think about the possibility of trying to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power. because that was their ultimate name. and so whether you serve in congress, whether you serve in the justice department, whether you are high-ranking official who served president trump. all of those people need to be held accountable and if the evidence is there, they all need to be prosecuted. >> former attorney general eric holder, thank you so much, sir, new book out. y'all check out eric holder's book. thank you for being here. msnbc's yasmin vossoughian has been talking to people in buffalo all day. she joins us with the latest on the shooting investigation on the ground. yasmin, welcome. i've been watching you all afternoon. i want to know about this press conference. what did you learn from the press conference earlier this afternoon? >> listen, talked a lot about the community, simone, that is

beginning to recover that buffalo is standing together. united. that the community is warning that these ten individuals, loss of life that the tragedy, the murder that happen behind me in the grocery store and the tops where she sore behind me. they talked a lot about the investigation. into the shooter. his history with mental health issues. i want to read a quote from you, for you from the -- state police responded to susquehanna high school and conklin new york to investigate a report that the 17-year-old student had made a threatening statement. the soon was taken into custody under new york saint mental health law, section nine for one, and transfer the hospital for a mental health evaluation. now, obviously, nothing came from that. because there was no red flag put in place. and when this individual, when the shooter went to purchase his two legally purchased firearms, there was nothing to indicate to the seller that he

was unable to purchase that firearm. so we now know that he purchased to firearms legally. one he purchased on the secondhand market. also state this, there is an investigation to how he was indoctrinated. and radicalize. throughout this pandemic online. he broadcast his shooting for two minutes on twitch. that in of itself is a problem governor kathy hochul talk to me about. the fact that he's even able to get two minutes into this rampage inside the grocery store. and effective that social media site allowed him to do that. and then the indoctrination of it all. the community here, and i want to show a little bit the committee that we've been seeing all day, is really from this -- it is unimaginable to them that a tragedy like this could take place here in a grocery store. the only grocery store that they have in this community now shut down because of this awful shooting. and they know how to drive miles in order to get any

essentials or they need at home. reeling from this, not only the death of these ten individuals with this ongoing investigation that is going on behind me. i spoke to a woman on the phone who's not yet read to come on camera, going to reach out to her a little later today. a survivor. and she was inside the grocery store with daughter simone. and she told me that the shooter put a gun to her head. and senate going to kill you. and she said, take me, don't kill my baby. she screamed. and then the shooter, for some reason, got started and they're able to get out. it's a lot today. but unable to leave her house which used she was so distraught friends tire incident. and really, this community feeling as if they behind. forgotten, as if this country fails to address the systemic racism that exist in this country that we talk about all the time. and this is a result of that and they don't have trust in this government to actually get something done and change. lly ge something done >> yasmin, i want to say thank

you. i've been watching you all afternoon and i think it's really important you've gotten the perspective on the people in that community. the folks voices we oftentimes are not here. thank you, my friend. keep it up. we will continue to watch. thank you. coming up, you heard yasmin. i believe it, to. we need to get real in america about the role that race plays in our institutions, so we will get into extremism and hate speech next. later, we have the president of -- who will take us inside a fight for abortion rights. we will talk about how it's already shaping this year's midterm strategy. stay with us, everyone. g this year' midterm strategy stay with us, everyone stay with us, everyone

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stated publicly it is investigating the matter as hate crime. racially motivated acts of white supremacy and violent extremism.

as they do, we have to all work together to address the hate that remains a stain on the soul of america. >> is president biden speaking truth if i do say so myself. the white supremacist ideology that was cited by the buffalo shooter, in an apparent online manifesto, it's not new. it's no longer just not a political fringe. the racist underbelly of this country is actively being courted by politicians. unless we confront that, unless we are crystal clear about the role that race plays in our institutions, we are going to see tragedies like buffalo play out again and again. joining us now is democratic strategist basil's michael, also the former executive -- the new york state democratic party. we also have the public strategist, former communications director for the republican national committee, and we have msnbc political contributor erin haines, who is

editor at large of the 19. thank you all for being here. this is a great panel. i know we're gonna have a good conversation. basil, i want to start with you. there's been a lot of talk about how people, like the former president, normalizing racism and white supremacy, and trump, this is about donald trump, let me know, i think we all know, that this did not start with donald trump. talk to me about how you think we got here. >> first of all, you mentioned the democratic party. -- browne goes -- he cares deeply about the people of buffalo. i think about him constantly. to answer your question, the united states is never been absolved of its original sin. slavery. we have spent generations in this country trying to get america to really acknowledge its past, which it really has

not done. the fact of the matter is, overtime, as we have tried to figure out reparations or push our institutions to be more equitable, time and time again, there's been this legislative and litigating strategy that has slowed all of the stone over these generations. but that original sin has never -- the country has never been absolved of that. the fact that many cases intentionally for immense that, and the problem is we still don't get that people will go to great lengths and travel great distances to manifest their hate. we have seen that in buffalo. we saw it in 2017 when someone came from maryland to new york city, because of wanting to kill african americans. it's happening to other communities as well. >> it's not new.

>> it is not new. and it will continue as long as we -- it's a quote, your silence will not protect you, but there are some that are still silent still on this issue. >> okay, let's talk about some of the folks that are silent on this issue. congresswoman elise stefanik of new york, the third highest ranking republican, last year she was criticized by her hometown paper for using the great replacement theory in her campaign. ashraf she tweeted this. i'm going to read it for you. our nation is heartbroken about the tragic news of horrific loss of life in buffalo. we are mourning for the entire community and loved ones. during hashtag national police week, we must thank and honor our law enforcement and first responders who -- skyrocketing violent crimes. i don't disagree with anything that the congresswoman said here. but i think it is missing are the words right supremacy.

what's missing is conversations about white supremacist ideology. it's not there. i want to ask you, why are more republicans not calling out white supremacy? >> i just don't think -- simone, my first job in politics was working for jessie holmes. then i went to court for michael steele twice and then my last job in politics -- the highest jewish elected republican official that we've had in the country, and so i've seen every perspective in the republican party. i'll tell you, i thought we were getting past most of the bad stuff. most of the really egregious stuff. it's obviously been in the past -- >> even after trump? >> is donald trump -- was not only nominated but was president.

i never thought i'd see this in my lifetime. i've been growing up in richmond, virginia -- two cities working federate statues for a long time. but also that charlottesville happened and trump said there were good people on both sides. the fact that that was acceptable is a problem. ultimately, this is true of anything in politics. it's an issue that if the voters feel a certain way, the politicians that represent those are either going to reflect those ideologies or beliefs are there going to be silent. >> erin, i want to get you in on this, because derek johnson at the naacp said on msnbc after the shooting that white supremacy cannot exist with democracy. now you've reported all over this country and you literally had the race and politics -- i'm just wondering, what do you think about their johnson's comments? i don't think we're gonna root out white supremacy tomorrow,

right? so make it make sense for me. >> look, at the end of the day, someone there should be a conversation. it's a conversation, as you know that the president -- charlottesville was literally the catalyst for this presidential bid. he told the american people this is not who we are. it is who we are. now wet? we can't be more open arms about the false flag of critical race theory than we are about the very real domestic terror threat of white supremacy. it's a public health threat. it's an economic threat, it's a national security threat, it's breaking or democracy. these actions may be condemned by certain politicians, but the rhetoric has certainly been encouraged when it's politically expedient. what's gonna take for it to not be acceptable to parties, voters and the media? >> well, we will have to leave it there. this is a conversation we will revisit on this program. erin haines, basil's michael, doug hyde, thank you all, very very much. before we go, i want to give some news out of pennsylvania,

which has its political primaries on tuesday, y'all. the news is that john fetterman who is the current state's lieutenant governor and currently the democratic front runner for u.s. senate, now says that he had a stroke friday and recovering. fetterman says that he was not feeling well and he went in for a checkup, which is how he found out about the stroke. fetterman says he's making a full recovery. we wish mr. fetterman the best and hope he gets well very very soon. next, coming up, we're going to talk about a new poll. it reveals support of abortion rights has grown since thleak of the supreme court decision. so what's being done ahead of the midterms? the president of emily's list joins me ahead and later, nba hall of famer isaiah thomas joins me to talk about basketball and business. we will be right back. ball and business. ball and business. we and the world needs lower carbon solutions to keep up.

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a new nbc news poll is out. it confirms what we've been saying. a combined 60% of americans serving in this poll say abortion should either always be legal or illegal most of the time. 63% of people surveyed said that roe heavyweight should not be overturned. this poll was conducted after the leak of a supreme court drive opinion that would strike down the constitutional right for women to make decisions about their own bodies. so with us now is the president of emily's list. emily's list stated mission is to elect pro choice or pro abortion democratic women. candidates. thank you for being here. i want to talk about this poll, because the same poll also said that abortion has actually moved up on the list of issues that matter to americans. i'm wondering how your counseling euro candidates to speak to this shift?

>> thank you so much for the question, simone. as i get to it i just want to take the opportunity to say congratulations on being such an incredible role model to my seven-year-old who always wants to see herself on television, and you are doing that for so many young women and girls all over the country. the poll! the poll itself continues to, as you noted, reaffirm what we all know to be true. that american people want and know that this is a decision that should be made between a woman and her physician. the freedom to make this decision should be her's and her family's. we saw just yesterday, the energy all over this country. not just in blue cities are blue states. but red communities, rural communities, urban communities and one of the largest efforts we saw across the country is in

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this really be -- i guess the question is, how do you out organize decades in just a couple of months? >> i think what we have on our side, symone, and what we've always had is the will of the american people and the republicans have been fighting to take this right away since the passage of roe. it has been slow and steady, chipping away, the rights of freedoms of american women. as you said, for decades. wet has held at the, and tension of the republican party has been the will of the american people. knowing that they can't go too far too fast. i think it is in our favor in this moment is wood has always spent in our favor, and that is that women and families all over this country, voters, are not going to stand -- joined them in their doctors

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and observation just being able to talk to them and being able to understand their history and being able to understand how far the game has come to where it is today. >> i'm no basketball guru, isaiah, i do know that when i told people we are going to do this interview i repeatedly got one question. it was, who do you have your money on in the playoffs this year? i have to ask, who is it? >> it's a tough one. so many teams are playing well. phoenix are playing great. they have the best season. they played against alice, i mean luke is just playing out of his mind right now. dallas has a chance. if i was to be really pressed, i'm looking at golden state and it's hard to really go against, you know, steph, clay, dream on, the team that they put together, that experience that you,

coming out of the west is going to be tough to beat. but then you've got yannis of the celtics. i mean, really, it's a great time to be watching basketball, i'd have to say golden state. >> you all heard it here first. this is isaiah's prediction. isaiah, i want to talk to you about britney griner. you have been a wnba executive. what do you make of the league's biggest star being detained in russia still? >> it's a complicated and unfortunate bad timing, not only for brittney, the u.s. and the wnba, because historically this is where all players in the wnba have gone over to russia and have gone abroad and have had great success playing internationally, and have been welcomed by their international communities. sometimes more friendlier than here in the u.s.. definitely --

what is happening now, because of the invasion of ukraine, because of the political environment, brittney finds herself in a very difficult situation, and in my opinion, it's really based around politics, because if the political environment was not what it was today, and she would have been home a long time ago, playing with the mercury and last night on television against seattle. i don't know how the u.s. is going to, and the state department, is going to find a way to more or let's bring her home, but definitely, she should be coming home, and we hope that she comes home soon. >> yes, brittney griner. i want to talk about your businesses right now. let's talk champagne. you've invested millions into one world products, cannabis, in columbia. talk to us a little bit how you

went from this nba superstar to a star in the business community all over the world? >> always investment things that i know and things that i like. when we talk about one world products and you talk about hemp and cannabis growing in columbia, we look at industrial help -- hemp, particularly the hemp plant, it's an answer to sustainable plastics and also helping me environment that reduces carbon footprint, and also hemp is the natural captaincy -- carbon seen terms of carbon capture. we work closely with stellantis, to help with its carbon footprint. we placed what we call plastics into the automobile space and taking plastics out of the automobile space. we look at products in terms of

carbon capture. we did a deal with the africa lumbee a community in columbia, where we were gifted 1.2 acres of land to grow industrial hemp. that makes us one of the largest carbon capture communities in the site of the americas. that is what we are doing on the hemp side, and of course, t h c, cbd, cbd, cbsn, and when you look at the endo cannabinoid system that was discovered in the medical field in the 90s, the endo cannabinoid system, c b one, c b two receptors respond and act directly with this plant. it's almost as if mother nature put this plant on the earth for the environment and for us as human beings to use. >> isaiah thomas, one world hemp. you've got the champagne. you're into the bubbly. we will have you come back and talk about it all. thank you so much for being here and we will see you soon.

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are calling the culture corner. it's where we're going to talk about the conversations circulating in the group chats, but that's not all, we're going to look at what is driving them and to do that i have and have some very incredible culture critics with me today. the hosts of the top rated radio show out of atlanta on 10 4.4. welcome, y'all. okay. >> thank you. thank you. >> thank you for being here. >> hey, samantha! >> i'll talk to y'all. you gotta come to the culture corner i told you two weeks ago. and we are here. let's talk about officials -- were talking about young thug, they're facing charges, rico charges. they've cited their lyrics while accusing their young slime life label of being -- nina, what do you think it sends to the industry as a

whole in terms of signals? >> ironically, simone, back in the day in the old school, we used to question rappers who wrapped about things like that like oh you're not really committing those things you are saying in your wraps. nowadays, we are worried that the artists are actually doing everything they say. the killing, the shooting, the drugs, the drinking. it's out of control. i think it sends a bad message to the industry, the kids, everyone. it's a bad look. >> frank, what's say you? >> it's very interesting. i first got of say they always say in this until proven guilty, but it was very funny, when we posted the question on the air, half of the listeners that they were innocent. the other half of the listeners thought they were guilty. it's amazing how the hood protects their own, but at the end of the day, there's still some parents and some family members that have lost their lives due to all of this

violence going on not only in atlanta but around the country. >> you're absolutely right. we could do rico for the whole rest of the segment, but we have to talk about jesse williams. his day of celebration really turned into a mess this week. it was after footage of him naked in the plane. take me out leaked on line. this happened moments after he earned the 20 nomination. i want y'all to listen to what he had to say about all of this. >> you need to keep advocating for ourselves. it's wonderful to see a community push back and make clear what we do stand for and we don't. this is a sacred space. consent is important, i thought. let's keep that in mind. universally. but otherwise, the best thing we can do is an action. >> now we all, i did not have jessie williams getting exposed on my bingo card and becoming the poster child for consent this week. but here we are. frank, what's say you? >> i think jesse williams --

i think he's happy about this. last month he was complaining that he did not have enough money to pay his alamo knee and child support, but now, let me tell you, if jessie williams started only fans, he could retire. >> nina, nina, please. what's say you? i think jessie was being very serious about him feeling violated. i'm going to validate his feelings. >> absolutely. he looks like he was being absolutely serious about it and consent is important. we have to honor that on both sides, regardless if it's a woman or man, but i will tell you, symone, i went back and watched grey's anatomy all over again as a result of this. >> i'm not gonna lie. i definitely caught up on netflix as well. frank ski, nina brown, that's all the time we have, but i appreciate you all and we will have you back.

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interview planned this week on symone, speaking this week with education secretary miguel cardona, and yes, we will get into the administration's plans for addressing student debt. check out my show this week on msnbc next saturday at 4 pm eastern to see it all. all right. you know, i usually wouldn't do a symone says today, but i know it's been a difficult last 24 hours with difficult conversations about the deadly last shooting in buffalo that targeted a black community. it got me thinking to five years ago, when i was on a panel in switzerland, where we talked about the threat of white supremacy in america and to domestic terrorism. here and around the globe. and yesterday, i was so struck that people were shocked. in my pinion, people aren't having uncomfortable

conversations that lead to solutions. that's why people are still shocked. i'm thinking about folks that were at that grocery stores. fathers, mothers, sisters, brothers, cousins, aunts, uncles, people who will never go home again. and if we want to prevent what happened yesterday from happening again, we have got to have those uncomfortable conversations. we have to get real about it. that means being able to talk about white supremacy ideology and how to address it. that means calling things out. getting to solutions, like we did on the show today. buffalo was not the first community to be ripped apart. if we don't get it together, it won't be the last. that's all i've got to say. that's it for this edition of symone. i am simone sanders, i will be back here saturday, sunday 4 pm eastern on msnbc and i will have a new episode of msnbc of peacock this tuesday. now, my friend picks things up. hey reverend,. i >> thank you, symone, welcome

to politicsnation. tonight's lead, hate and terror in buffalo. right now, ten people are dead. the victims overwhelmingly black after a white gunman opened fire inside of a buffalo new york grocery store saturday. they are still investigating that have made it clear this attack was racially motivated. after investigators confirmed that the shooters may have left racist proclamations across his social media, allegedly targeting the buffalo neighborhood for its racial makeup. at least one weapon retrieved at the scene. confirmed to have hate speech imprinted on it and the fbi has announced that it will investigate the attack as possible hate crimes and an act of racially motivated violent extremism, 18-year-old suspect charged with