good to be with you. i am katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. here on the east coast and 8:00 a.m. out west. we are learning a lot this hour including disturbing new details about how the suspect in the racist mass shooting in buffalo, new york, planned to continue his rampage. and we are learning more about the victims. the wife of a deacon that was killed. >> i have to forgive him,

because if i don't i am killing me and i won't be able to go forward if i don't forgive him. >> we will talk about the warning signs missed along the way. plus the end to the baby formula shortage could be months away. what can parents do and what can the government do? xavier becerra will join me later to tell us. and also another wild twist on the eve of a pennsylvania primary. plus, an update on the democratic senate candidate, john fetterman recovering from a stroke with the primary tomorrow. and then let's start in buffalo.

this is a horrifying result of racism and access to guns and hateful internet culture coming to a head and what makes it worse is this supermarket is the only supermarket in this neighborhood, meaning he did not just target the people inside that target but he targeted the only community. >> reporter: officials said this becomes a food desert, so it's like dumping salt in a horribly wide open wound right now. this is the front page from the buffalo news this morning, a community trying to heal, a raw city. that's what they are describing buffalo as right now, and we are continuing to learn more about the people that lost their lives, and these were people who were loved by family and friends and known in the community. through talking to family members and others in the community and seeing other

reports, we are starting to see the patchwork of who was lost. we lost a community activist. we lost a man who was in the store to buy a cake for his 3-year-old son. and we lost a security guard, a former buffalo police officer that officials say fought back against the gunman that allegedly had tactical gear on, and because of that protective equipment when the security guard engaged the suspect and shot at him, the bullets essentially were not able to do enough to stop him, but he's being called a hero because he tried to save lives, and ten people killed and three more injured, and 11 of those victims were african american. i spoke with a young woman earlier today that said she was an employee inside the store at the time of the shooting and here's what happened when she heard shots rang out.

>> i heard shots, and i heard them getting closer and closer and i figured i would run to the back in the conference room and they put the tables in front of the door and held it until the shots stopped and the shots were going on for a pretty long time. >> an 18-year-old woman there, and i asked her if she would be able to go back in the store and when she might be able to do so, and he said never. a customer i spoke to said she went inside and when she came back around and when she saw the people she saw leaving when she went in were dead on the ground. >> that's awful. tom, authorities are look into the shooter. there's word about what he might be planning after this, and also tell me about red flag laws and why these weren't used to stop somebody who was already on the radar? >> right, katy. we are trying to figure out if

they could have been used in this circumstance and if they were used would it have been effective in what was a carefully planned hate crime attack on that community. red flag law is a phrase that is used to -- each state has different permutations of these, and if a relative or somebody in law enforcement or in the community or at a school thinks somebody is a risk to themselves or others, there are mechanisms that take place where weapons are taken from them on a temporary basis or they are prohibited for buying weapons. in new york state, there's a specific law, and it's for somebody who is an extreme risk protective order, and that could be an administrator or family member or somebody in law enforcement that could go to the

court and say these are the reasons why you could grant us this order, and you could go and get somebody's firearms if you have them for the duration of an order or prohibit them by notifying the background system from purchasing weapons legally, and if somebody was to purchase a weapon, and he did buy at least one of the weapons on the secondary market, and that's not a place where background checks are potentially performed, and what we are trying to understand is whether or not in new york state, the fact that he was a juvenile and he was referred to the new york state police who did take him into custody and did admit him in into the hospital on a mental health basis, and it's not clear if he could have charged him, whether or not the fact that he turned 18, would that have had an

impact if that was invoked in the state of new york, and it has a certain time period and you can challenge it before a judge, and we are trying to get some answers for those questions. >> i want to highlight this point. what was the response time of the police? talk to me about the security guard who tried to engage? >> two important things, katy. according to a dhs and fbi briefing, the police response time from the buffalo police was one minute from the time of notification to when they arrived on scene, and there was a former police officer security guard that tragically died in this and did fire at the suspect and did hit the suspect, and as you eluded to earlier, the individual was wearing body armour and that prevented the potential fatal shot to him, and slowed him down but we still have ten people that died as a

result of this. >> thank you. joining me now is senator gillibrand from new york. as a member of a body that has not done anything on guns, and it's not for lack of effort for many of the democratic side and some of the republican side, and republicans blocked to do anything to regulate the gun market. what do you say to a community? what do you say to anyplace where there's a mass shooting in the country where nothing seems like it matters? what do you say to the people at sandy hook when it's happening over and over and over? >> this community is in crisis and trauma, and there's enormous pain and suffering, and they are reeling at a loss from the community members they loved dearly. it's horrific, and it's tiring

to talk to politicians to talk about getting guns off the street. it's exhausting to go over and over about the fact that this was an assault weapon, the same kind used in sandy hook, and he went and got a larger magazine so he could not just shoot 10 bullets bull 30. it should not be in the hands of an 18-year-old man who has a history of violence and mental illness. it should never be in his hands. so the truth is, all the things we are trying to do, ban the assault weapons and ban the large magazines and make sure we have far more resources for mental health in all communities, and making sure that we can have background checks, and all that matters because it all affects some outcome. for this community, it's just more loss and more fear and

anger about congress not working, and you mentioned it earlier in the program, the money in politics, the fact that the nra can spend millions of dollars in campaigns across the country, and the fact that we have an ultra white-wing supreme court believe that guns should have the same rights as humans, and >> all you need is more people with guns, more good guys with guns, and what tom just highlighted was a security guard that tried to engage with the shooter, and the shooter was wearing body armour, and he

couldn't do anything, and the police in buffalo showed up in one minute and ten are still dead. >> we had a security guard that acted bravely and first responders that were there within minutes, and what happens is -- >> let's talk about the social media platforms. this idea of the great replacement theory, which the shooter allegedly advocated, it's in the mainstream now on fox news and within a lot of the republican party. >> it's about misinformation, and radicalizing somebody as young as 18 years old to such a degree that he has so much hate in his heart that he wants to go out and kill black people, and he drives over 200 miles to commit those murders. what did he see in his very short lifetime that would make

him so hateful? well, we had a president when he was 15 years old that stood on a national stage after charlottesville and said good people on both sides -- >> when the alleged shooter was 15. want to be clear. >> yeah. we have messages streaming out from republics today, and what happens on january 6th was okay. >> what do you do about it? >> you need to organize and speak out and decry this justice and demand justice, and have accountability for the money in politics. don't let the nra spend limitless money so they can make sure that somebody can go in and buy a military-style weapon so they can kill large groups of people quickly, and it should be a weapon of war, and the corruption in washington where money is the power of today.

>> you have to get lawmakers to vote against their own self interest. we have had long conversations about one side disarming while the other side does not disarm with money in politics. you need more representatives and lawmakers voted into office who are campaigning on that and do so when they are ready to get in. what do you say to voters who say i vote for you guys and nothing changes? how do you get people to engage more when they don't see results? >> they need to work harder. we don't have a big enough majority in the u.s. senate -- >> so if democrats were in charge, we would pass laws that would say get money out of politics? >> yeah, ban the assault rifles and large magazines and do the common sense thing most americans want done, protect voting rights, all of that. you need more leaders that support your values and now is not the time to give up, but now is the time to work harder and

make sure we can elect a larger majority and have presidents that share these values and will fight for these values, and literally call out the people who will not stand up -- there are many ways you can have speech rights, and so we need common sense thoughtful regulation. we need a data protection agency that keeps our data private that can create frameworks where this makes sense. it takes time and it takes responsible leaders that can create this and there has to be a willingness to have common sensory form on all of these issues. >> we are talking about how hard

it is to sell these ideas. thank you for coming and being here in person today. >> my privilege. coming up, another deadly shooting, and this one at a southern california church. and then a shake-up in tomorrow's pennsylvania primary race. first, what the alleged shooter found online that officers say radicalized him. and then here's what one man said about an encounter. >> he looks out of place. i walked up to him and i said, where are you from? he said, two or three hours from now. and then we started talking about race, and i said there's only one race, and he didn't disagree but said he feels like there are different races.

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he was bored in the early days of the pandemic. and i am joined by chuck rosenberg, msnbc contributor and former senior fbi official. thank you very much for being with us. ben, i think we will know more about forechan, and what exactly when he went on to that site, into that part of the internet, what did he find? >> well, he was on the gun forum, which is not inherently political before he moved over to the politics forum, which is a white nationalists hang out, and he said it was because of extreme boredom that we went over there, and he saw the driving narrative over there, which is jews are trying to

replace white americans with immigrants either through interracial marriage or through just changing the trajectory over time, and you saw a copy and paste job of the new zealand soother that killed people in a mosque, and it was page after page of anti-semitic cartoons, and it was about the 4/10 political ideology, and that is that jews run the world and are replacing white people. >> the less openly version of that, it's on mainstream outlets. tucker carlson promotes it on his show and you hear it from

republicans. talk to me about how it's just not fringe any longer, this idea? >> yeah, that's the shocking part of the manifesto. you don't have to do much explaining about what the great replacement is, and a watered down version of this is a large part of that platform that is now becoming mainstream in the republican party. he calls himself an eco fascist in this manifesto, and the infrastructure is crumbling, and climate change is real which is what you would not hear from some people on the right, and you would hear that from tucker carlson, the infrastructure crumbling part, and the idea is to cut things out -- make it so immigrants do not get that stuff. you hear the baby formula shortage, blaming that stuff on immigrants. that's a pretty standard talking point on the right.

a much more amplified version of that is happening on extremists forums, and the talking point that underlie this stuff is stuff you hear on tucker carlson every night, and they call him our guy, and they know the dog whistles and what he's trying to say. >> chuck, since this is not fringe any longer, how do the feds keep up? >> well, katy, i mean, they are going to have a hard time keeping up. remember, the feds are only a very small percentage of law enforcement in the country. an example, the fbi has about 13,000 men and women who are special agents who carry guns and badges. that makes them about one-third the size of just the new york city police department, so keeping up is an enormous and impossible task. by the way, i just want to add a comment, katy, and i hope you

don't mind. once again, we are sending thoughts and prayers to these people in buffalo who lost loved ones, and thoughts and prayers are not going to do it. we have to change the laws, and we have a senator on earlier that talked about changing laws, and the people of this country are fed up enough to elect anybody, republicans, democrats, i don't really care, who will pass sensible gun laws. there's no reason why racist homicidal maniacs ought to have access to automatic guns and large magazines and tactical gear that helped him, and it's nothing the fbi can ever solve on their own. >> part of it is a domestic terrorists law, and people on the right don't support it for

various reasons, and without a law like that how are you able to stop somebody like this? how are you able to get flagged when somebody is, you know, has a troubling social media search pattern? it's hard. that line is very difficult. >> the line is extremely difficult. let me talk about the domestic terrorism law, though. you are right, katy, there's no federal law that criminalizes domestic terrorism. some states have laws that criminalize domestic terrorism and new york has one of them. how do you prosecute people that did what this guy did? homicide and murder is a crime, so you have that. in new york you have a domestic terrorism law. by the way, i think we should have a federal law of domestic terrorism. i think there's a moral equivalency gap between international terrorism and

domestic terrorism, and if you look at the last 21 years, many more have died at the hands of domestic terrorists rather than international terrorists, and that law is not going to stop people from doing this, those types of laws kick in after the act has been committed. stopping it in the first instance is an enormous challenge. >> an enormous challenge, and it's hard to take on a day like this when you try to just think about going forward and how we can make this world a better place. thank you very much for joining us. out west the police are investigating the motive behind another mass shooting at a church in laguna wounds, california. one was killed and five others injured. if not for the quick thinking of congregates it would have been

worse. any idea why the gunman targeted this church? >> reporter: katy, that's the question now. authorities releasing data and details from this shooting. the last update we got overnight was that the shooter has, indeed, been arrested. no word on charges and no name being given at this point, and that shooter is described as an asian man in his 60s, and as you say, he opened fire on a taiwanese congregation inside the geneva presbyterian church, and authorities not releasing details on why they think that man targeted that congregation specifically, and he walked in and moments before he started shooting he greeted people there and told them he had been to services at their church before, and the congregates were

confused because they did not recognize him and never had seen him before, and of the wounded six people shot, one killed and five wounded and four have critical injuries, and those range in age from 66 to 92. we don't know the names of the victims. authorities are telling us this could have been far worse. the congregates stopped the shooter and hogtied him with extension cords, and authorities calling that exceptional heroism. two major developments in the pennsylvania senate primary race. news on democratic frontrunner, john fetterman, and would be republican spoiler, kathy barnette. y y barnette

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john fetterman suffered a stroke and he says he is fine and will make a full recovery, and then on the republican side, images were found that show kathy barnette marching towards the capitol on january 6th. and darsha, i want to start with you. what is the latest on barnett. what have we verified and what do we currently know? >> katy, even more twists in this high stakes race in just the last 24 hours, i am using my indoor voice right now because we are at a mccormick event right now, barnette's opponent is holding an event here and we are going to talk to him right after this. over the weekend at the same time as we learned of the news of fetterman's stroke, we saw news circulating on social media that were believed to be kathy

barnette at the capitol on january 6th. we knew from her statements in the past that she did go to washington on january 6th. she organized buses to attend those events. this is the first time, though, we have actually seen her in person there, and nbc was able to verify this was, in fact, barnette, and she's seen marching toward the capitol alongside known members of the proud boys, in fact, two of whom were arrested and indictment on charges on allegations of their attendance and what they did at the capitol that day. we asked barnette about january 6th, the last time we sat down with her, a few days ago. we sat down with her and listen to what she told us. >> i feel about january 6th the same way the left feels about the summer of 2020, when you have black lives matter and antifa and other groups out

there, and they were looting and robbing and people were mostly calling it peaceful protests when buildings were being burned down. >> they said kathy was in d.c. to support president trump and demand election accountability. she has no connection whatsoever to the proud boys. katy, a lot of questions have been circulating around barnette since she stepped into the frontrunner role. as i have been talking to voters, none of that is trickling down to the folks going to the polls tomorrow. they are focused on her stance on abortion. they are focused on the fact that she's not a mega rich candidate like her opponents, mccormick and oz. it will be interesting to see if the attacks are coming a little too late and if she's really within striking distance. >> i know you are covering fetterman and the stroke and you

also spoke to kathy barnette last night, and what can you say about that and give us an update on the lieutenant governor? >> i think we are hearing from folks, an openness to kathy barnette because of the way she portrays herself as a mother who was raised in poverty, who came here to pennsylvania and has made a life of her own. at the same time there's a reality that the democratic nominee in this race could face kathy barnette, who has made a series of islam phobic statements. and one, quote, obama does what he does best, shoving it down everybody's throat. when i asked her about this yesterday, she suggested it was from a long time ago, and it was in 2015. in 2016, she said in video that anybody can go and look up on youtube right now, there's a

17-minute video in which she goes on a diatribe about how islam is not compatible with the u.s. constitution, and this is where covering republicans in 2022, katy, has become so complicated, because there's a do you phreus tea. she said i didn't understand the context she made them in, and there was a few words here, and that is in 2022 with so many republicans including kathy barnette, there's no longer a sense of regret, or shame for past comments, but at the same time on one hand, it's doubling down, and on the other hand suggesting that the greater population doesn't understand what she meant here. i think that's where covering kathy barnette could be complicated in the general election because folks are going to be hearing somebody not calling for the banning of islam

but better yet will make the case to a general electorate to win this. >> yeah, to gain that open senator seat. in terms of john fetterman, he's expected to make a full recovery but will not be attending the party, and in his place will be his wife who has been by his side, along with top aides, but certainly a blow to not be able to be at your own party. thank you very much. president biden is awarding medals of valor to some officers, and who are they and what did they do? more nato and not less, and sweden now says it wants to join the alliance, so how will russia respond? first, we are back in buffalo. yasmin vossoughian is on the ground now.

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information at the white house who will be honored at the medals ceremony which is a tradition for presidents past, including former president trump who also participated in this kind of a ceremony. today, president biden will be honoring 15 public safety officers, according to the white house. two of him died in the line of duty. they are being recognized or acts of bravery. eight different acts of bravery that took place over the last year and a half or so. the white house saying this is really given to people, public safety officers who have exhibited exceptional courage, regardless of personal safety to save or protect others from harm. i just want to give you an example of one of the honorees who will be here today is assistant chief ryan sprunger from east wayne, ohio, from the fire district there. was off duty when he responded to a call of people who had fallen into a frozen pond. he had nothing with him, no thermal protection or special

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that gets imported into this country and consumed by americans. we have to make sure it's safe. in this particular case, the michigan plant that abbott operated that produced a good portion of the baby formula that is consumed by americans wasn't safe. at least they were willing to agree. >> i think nobody wants to get them up and running before it is safe. i just wonder if you can give me something clear, in terms of quantity of days or weeks or months? is it days? is it weeks? is it going to be a few months? >> the question is more properly posed to abbott, because abbott is the one that guarantee the safety. we inspect, insure that they're following through. we believe it can be done quickly. we've been talking to abbott. i believe commissioner califf and the fda will be soon be making announcements in this regard. how soon, weeks.

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