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but it's battleground pennsylvania where some last-minute twists are shaking up what was already one of the closest-watched senate primaries in this cycle. welcome to "mtp daily," i'm garrett haake in for chuck todd. as we learn more about the suspect and victims in the mass shooting in buffalo, we find ousts in depressingly familiar territory asking what, if anything, could have been done to prevent this massacre. and what can be done to prevent even more tragedies from happening in the future. police have now released the names of all ten people killed saturday at the tops friendly market. the youngest victim was 32 years old. the oldest was 86. three other people were injured in the shooting and nearly all of of the victims were black. police say the 18-year-old suspect was dressed in tactical

gear as he opened fire inside the supermarket and then he planned on continuing his rampage before he was stopped in what they are calling a hate crime. >> well, obviously, from with all the evidence that we have gathered so far, the motivation at this stage appears to be pure tray hey tread. now there happens to be a penal law in the state of new york that is entitled a domestic act of terrorism motivated by hate. that particular crime right now is a crime that i'm focusing on. >> investigators say the suspect appears to have posted a 180-page manifesto citing a racist conspiracy days before the attack. new york city police also say they investigated the suspect last june after he made a threatening statement about wanting to carry out a shooting. he was a minor at that time.

he was taken to a hospital for a mental health evaluation and never charged with a crime. meanwhile, the white house says president biden will travel to buffalo tomorrow to grieve with the community there. joined now by emily haketa with the latest from buffalo. i'm also joined by the director of american university polarization and extremism program cynthia miller. she's the author of the book "hate in the homeland." so i'll start with you. give me the latest. what's happening on the ground in buffalo today in the wake of the shooting and what's the latest on this investigation. >> reporter: unfortunately, new disturbing details coming out by the day. we know the suspect had been in the area the day before attack scoping out the area, looking for where he would act out on this rasm page. remember the police commissioner told us that yesterday. we're also learning this morning that had this suspect not been

stopped, he would have planned on continuing his active rampage down jefferson avenue to target black people in this shooting. according to the commissioner at another news outlet. there could have been more bloodshed this this horrific tragedy. investigators have recovered three weapons on the scene. and one of the things i want to point out is police aarrived on this scene within a minute of the call. also there was an armed security guard within the supermarket who did confront the suspect, slowed the suspect down. he did actually shoot the suspect, but because he was wearing tactical gear and just the assault rifle he was wielding, the security guard was no match for this suspect as he was continuing throughout the store to kill more people. >> what can you tell us about the victims of the shooting? >> reporter: these were beloved members of the community between the ages of 30 and 90 years old.

friends, family, cousins, uncles, we know one the governor telling me one of the people killed was simply trying to buy cup cakes for his son's brother. a grandmother who devoted her life to service, she ran a food pantry for a quarter cinch ri. we talked about the security guard who confronted bravely the suspect. he's now being hailed as a hero. another person a driver who was shot and killed in the parking lot as he was trying to help someone put groceries in the car. so an absolutely atrocious act of hate and one that you had mentioned is being investigated as a hate crime. >> we're watching the rainfall there. it seems appropriate. talk to me about the mood in the community there today. >> it's very somber here in buffalo and eerie county. what we're seeing is a community that's reeling. we're trying to come together to start the healing process. but we're shocked that an individual from outside our

community drove three hours to our city of buffalo to inflict this much pain, primarily on african-americans. unfortunately, buffalo is now joined the long list of communities that have unfortunately dealt with mass shootings, but there's a smaller list of those with regards to hate crimes and targeting african-americans and buffalo is now part of that list. our goal is to show the world that not only will we not be defined by the incident, we will be defined by how we overcome it. by supporting the families of lost loved ones, assisting those in need. we have mental health counsellors as well as food distributions for people in the neighborhood so we can all overcome this and show we're stronger he tried toty provide us, he failed. this community is stronger than one person coming in with a rifle and we will overcome it.

though we have lost ten individuals, many of them who were making a difference not only in this community but other ones in new york state. >> how can president biden help in that effort? what do you want to hear from him when we comes to buffalo tomorrow? >> i think he's going to come in and say that the nation mourns with you. i received a call from the homeland security secretary right after the incident pledging the full support of the federal government for our efforts to not only prosecutes, but to heel hale. that's what we have. a two-track method of government now prosecuting through the eerie county district attorney. and the other assisting with mental health counselling, food distribution, whatever is needed in the community. so i think the president is going to come here. i know he's going to talk to some of the relatives of those deceased to help them grieve, but pledge the full support of the federal government to not

only ensure that this individual is held responsible for his crimes, but to help this community jofr come a tragic, horrific event that will leave a scar on the city of buffalo for years to come. >> i want to get in on the government response play for you some of what your governor told chuck yesterday. take a listen. >> reporter: in many states, yes, in the state of new york, what he was able to buy was an ar-15, but he was able to enhance the magazine capacity. you can't have that many rounds purchased legally here in the state of new york. you go over to pennsylvania. go to a gun show. since my time in congress, we have been trying to get a national response. so individual states will do the best they can and i'm going to be impose mrg gun laws on tuesday. but we need other states to step up. we need the federal government on our side. >> do you agree? what more can new york state to? what does the federal government need to do right now or better

yet last week? >> the federal government could ban this weapon. it was previously banned. there was an assault weapon ban that expired ask we have seen these horrible incidents across the united states. you hear the argument a good person with a gun can defeat an individual who has these types of weapons. mr. salter and former retired police officer, a trained professional, was unable to stop this assailant because he was wearing body armor and using a weapon which is designed for war. these weapons are not designed for hunting. nobody uses an ar-15 to go hunting. if that's how you're going hunting, you're going hunting wrong. they are used to kill as many people in as short a time as possible. his life was taken in the process. this is a former trained professional. someone who was a buffalo prifr

for more than decades and he couldn't stop him. it goes to show we need to get these guns off the streets. >> it doesn't get more good guy with gun than that. this shooting is the latest in a long line of racist shootings, motivated by white supremacists and spread by online communities. what do you believe needs to happen to stop this pattern of racist violence, like we saw in el paso and so many other cities? >> we have been seeing this for quite a long time, but this specific conspiracy theory has mobilized terrorist shooters here in this country. and what we're seeing again and again and this case is unfortunately textbook, young men radicalized by deep spaces online. even through videos and propaganda that sharing false claims about scientific racism

and creating a sense of threat. and then calling on them to behave heroically. what they believe to be heroic engagement. we need better gun laws. we need social media content moderation, but none of that is going to work if we don't reduce the susceptibility to begin with. so people are going to believe this if they are not being taught otherwise in schools or at home about structural racism and hierarchical systems of inequality, they get online and propaganda tells them they are a threat. so we're in a moment in this country where we can't even have conversations about race. and we see the consequences of that in realtime right now. >> so we should step back for people who haven't followed this closely. the man fess to talks about great replacement theory. it's racist, anti-semitic idea that non-white people are

attempting to outnumber and replace white people in the united states. talk to me about how you have seen this ideology grow over the last couple years. >> it has grown exponentially online. i think you can track that to the rise of social media and to the way that online spaces, particularly for young men, are exploited in online gaming, memes sharing sites to embed humor, irony, satire and share hateful and dehumanizing ideas. so we have seen that spread. it has been used in many countries a the this point. we're seeing it here again and again. so that great res placement conspiracy theory is a conspiracy theory that has roots in long generations of racist belief systems here. but something about a decade ago has changed and it becoming a global rallying cry that

terrorist incident in new zealand it was called the great replacement. >> last week, before this shooting happened, in which you called out tucker karlson, a top rated cable news for perpetuating replacement theory. then we had liz cheney tweeting the leadership has enabled white nationalism, white supremacy, anti-semitism, history taught us what begins with words end in worse. leaders must reject those views. how problematic getting mainstreamed on far right. you want to talk about cultural solutions to this, these are folks with very large mega phones flirting at the onen end of the spectrum.

>> absolutely. there are two really dangerous things about it. the first is what you just mentioned. it's mainstreaming and legitimizing the idea there's some kind of blot out there. some kind of nefarious plot by democrats in this case of the tucker carlson illusion to it, to replace americans with voters that would be more compliant by importing them through immigration. in the buffalo case, it's clear this teen was radicalized not through mainstream media, but in online spaces. but it make it is less likely that the adults around him, we have a guide for parents and caregivers online. to warn them about online radicalization and the number one bullet point is about the great replacement theory. how less likely that parents, a

teachers, will recognize that as a warning sign if they are hearing a version of it on cable news. >> we have to leave it there. follow cynthia on twitter. there's a lot of good resource there is. etc. herbally for parents. coming up, there were deadly mass shootings in multiple state this is weekend. democrat of illinois senator dick durbin joins me next on decades of inaction from congress on guns. plus the latest warning signs for democrats in our new nbc poll. and later we're live on the ground ahead of senate primaries tomorrow. you're watching "mtp dail." high quality protein to help manage hunger and support muscle health. try boost® today. this is vuity™, the first and only fda approved eye-dro." that improves age-related blurry near vision. wait, what?

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the city east worst ever mass shooting. thchicago. now some elected democrats are talking about doing more to address gun reform and racism, but folk, we have been here before. and it's all been talk. senator, i think my first question is, do you think the country has just accepted this idea that mass shootings and gun volence are something we're going to have to deal with every couple weeks forever? >> hardly a day goes by someone isn't shot. on the weekends, there's a shooting spree with 20, 30 people shot, 7 or 8 dead when it's over. this has become common place, not just chicago, but certainly in a that great city as well. you say to yourself, durbin, you're the chairman of the committee. you're from illinois. what are you going to do about

it? you know the math. it's a 50/50 senate. it takes 60 votes to do anything significant. for any kind of gun safely, even legislation by the vast majoity of people whether it's background checks to keep guns out of the hands of convicted felons of people who are mentally unstable, whether it's getting rid of ghost guns being sold without any identification. the list goes on of common sense things we can do to make america safer. we can't get any republican support for. >> you don't have 60 votes, but both you and the majority leader schumer 14 months ago, a week after a shooting in atlanta took eight lives said you were going to bring background checks to the floor regardless. this is what you and the majority leader said at the time. >> this senate will be different. the senate is going to debate and address the epidemic of gun violence in this country.

>> congress should do its job. keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldn't own them. we need to act. we need to show we care and prevent the next mass shooting, if we can. >> i know you don't have the votes, but you brought voting rights to the floor knowing you didn't have the votes and protections for abortion rights twice knowing you don't have the votes. where is the fight, where is the showing people you care on this issue, senator? >> i can tell you we tried behind the scenes to work with member to member conversations and try to find some compromise, any compromise that moves us in the right direction. we have had no luck whatsoever. buffalo was a horrible, miserable, hate of-filled incident which all of us across america really grieve for the people and the families touched by it. but can we still bring anyone from the other side of the aisle across to join us in a bipartisan effort? i'll see. i hope for it. i'll work for it, but i'm very

skeptical. >> why is it a good idea to have the big fight on voting rights or abortion rights to put those bills on the floor, to put folks on the record but to not do something similar with gun legislation? democrats have not spent political capital on this issue? >> i think our position on the issue is pretty well known. with only a couple exceptions in our caucus, the things that i have described about background checks, ghost guns, people really understand where the democrats stand and the republicans stand on it. if there's a decision for that, i'll support that. but i really want to continue to work to see if there's any hope whatsoever of getting republican support for sensible gun safety. >> i hear you. i do the reporting. i'm talking to republicans too. they are not moving on this issue. so i get it. on the republican side, i did think it was interesting you had had liz cheney accusing

republican leadership of enabling white nationalism, white supremacy and anti-semitism. what more would be helpful to hear from your republican colleagues today on that part of this issue? >> first hearing of the senate judiciary committee i chaired was with the superintendent of the secretary in charge of the federal bureau of investigation. he came forward and told us quite clearly the biggest threat to america in terms of terrorism is domestic terrorism. it's white nationalists, white supremacists setting out an agenda of violence. we have seen it play out over and over again. we saw it last year on january 6th and those who descended on the capitol and the message they brought. we have seen it over and over again repeated maybe by a lone wolf situation in buffalo. this is a very real problem. i would hope that the republicans could join the democrats and saying whatever the political motivation, far left, far right, whatever it

happens to be, we're going to condemn this activity. >> on a different topic, the minority leader was in ukraine. he met with volodymyr zelenskyy. he had a call with reporters. he said the senate is going to vote with this on this package. he's confident it will get a bunch of republican votes. you are the guy who counts votes on the democratic side. do you expect this to pass? do you expect it to send the kind of message that mcconnell hopes there's this broad bipartisan support for helping ukraine in the united states senate? >> i was disappointed last week. i support that money for ukraine. i was to send it as soon as the president suggested it. we had a chance to do it last week. it was stopped by rand paul of kentucky. he demanded an amendment on the floor. it stopped our progress in place. we had to put it off until this week. i'm sure we're going to get back to it very quickly. and i hope we can pass it quickly. i want this to always be bipartisan. we need to stand behind these brave people. >> it sounds like you're going

to get republican leadership for that bill. that was his message yesterday. i want to look at the midterms. our new poll has the democratic party within a with net negative rating of 19 points in the poll. it's the worst it's been in 30 years. our viewers can see it on the screen. the democratic party doing worse than donald trump and worse than the supreme court. to what do you attribute the branding problem that democrats have right now, or is it more than a branding problem? >> i think it reflects the reality. history's reality that off your elections are not kind to the president's party. that's the starting point. secondly, we're dealing with a transitional economy. coming from a shutdown economy under covid-19, reemering at record levels, but with it comes the fire of inflation. every family is feeling that. the president has used several tools in his kit. releasing oil from the strategic

petroleum reserve was one. dealing with agricultural price is another. there will be more jawboning, those who are price gouging and that's happening at gas stations and baby formula. we're finding that activity taking place. we need to be identified with that effort and helping families find an affordable place where they can deal with this economy. >> is there more in the senate's tool kit? >> in terms of what we can achieve, it's limited when it comes to policy. we continue to lock for ways. it's going to fifth us a fighting chance. it's difficult to fight the fires of inflation legislatively. >> dick durbin of illinois, the chairman of the judiciary committee, perfect guest for this topic today. thank you for your time. >> thanks a lot. up next, last-minute

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carolina, pennsylvania and idaho. there was a big weekend in the closely watched pennsylvania primary. democratic front runner suffered a stroke. he says he's on the way to a full recovery and doctors say he has no cognitive damage. his campaign says they will not be at his team's rally. and there's new focus on kathy barnett's anti-muslim comments and hr appearance at president trump's january 6th rattle hi in washington, d.c. all this as she surges in the polls. joining me is dasha burns. let's start on the democratic side. what do we know about fetterman's condition and how is that likely to impact the closing hours of this race? >> the twists just keep coming in this race. >> multiple pieces of breaking news here. we found out that john'er man

had a stroke. we were at an event of his of his friday morning. and well after start time his staffer said he wasn't feeling well. it turns out that morning he wasn't feeling well and his wife made him get checked out. i hope you hear this and my husband hear this is. your wife is always right. taking that advice might just save your life. so thankfully he did get checked out and caught a blood clot that had made his way to the heart causing that stroke. he's now recovering and says he's feeling much better. but he will not be at that tuesday night rally. he's going to be in the hospital and his wife will be the headliner on tuesday knight. >> let's talk about the republican side. you have new reporting verifying images of the ascendant

republican primary candidate. what do we know about her participation there? >> reporter: right around the time of the news of feather hasn't's stroke, i was looking on twitter and started to see images circulating of barnett marching towards the capitol on january 6th we did know before this she was there on january 6th. she organized buss to the rally. but this is the first time we're seeing images of this. she's marching towards the capital alongside known members of the proud boys that were later arrested and indicted on their alleged role in that riot. now we talked to barnett about this. she says that she views january 6th in the same way that the left views the summer of 2020 and the black lives matter movement. i asked her campaign to respond. they said kathy was in d.c. to

support president trump and demand election accountability. any assertion she participating or supported the destruction of property is false. she has no connection whatsoever to the proud boys. now barnette is fresh to front runner status. and just now the campaigns are doing their opposition research. they have been putting out statements and ads. i had a chance to speak with mccormick, her rival in this primary. here's what he had to say about barnett. >> do you think she's fit for office? >> i have got ton know her and respect her personal story. she's been tested. she was tested 18 months ago when she ran for congress and lost by 20 points. now she's getting the spotlight and a lot of questions that should have been answered a long time ago that all the scrutiny that i got and others have gotten are coming to the forefront. she has to answer those questions. >> do you think she's answered them properly? >> he needs to answer them, and i don't think she's answered them yet. >> we're packing up right after

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washington post." mara is an msnbc contribute. and brandon buck. so eugene, you saw these numbers here. when the numbers are this bad, what, if if anything, can democrats do to turn it around? they are going to be the guys who get blamed it seems like as we approach november. >> they are. one of the big criticisms of the democrat you can party from both sides of the aisle is not having a very clear message in terms of being able to articulate what they have done so far. they really aren't sure what it is democrats have accomplished and why it is they should back them for two more years at least in congress. and i think that's a real challenge that democratic parties are going to have to figure out when they need to do in terms of convincing people differently. >> do you agree that it's a messaging problem and not an accomplishment problem? has enough been done that the democrats can present to the

american people come november? >> i like to half joke and say any mom that has a kid in school, they are excited they are no longer zoom schooling. it's this progress we have seen since the government has been able to get people back on track since the pandemic. we have shots in arms and businesses open. and we do have kids back in school. the biggest challenge we're finding is part of it is communication. part of it is the far left of the party hasn't received everything they would like to see, but what we have seen is there was a recent poll two weeks ago with "the washington post" and found among independent voters and among young voters, they were leaning democratic by 12 points, even though the democratic party itself and biden was under water. we're going to see more issues driving this campaign whether it's abortion, access to voting rights, whether it's gun violence, that is where the grass roots organization came together for 2018 and 2020 and again i think it's going to be a

grass roots movement that's going to get the democrats at least within striking distance despite the party itself. >> when you look at the issues, the coronavirus numbers are great. but it seems like people don't give him credit for it. the abortion numbers are the green shoot for democrats. the issue moved from 3% to 10% on the list of democrats voters most important issues. that's before this opinion has come down. >> the work we do when it comes to voter registration, trying to get people jazzed up about the primaries, nobody is interested. we have seen close to 40% increase since abortion rights are under attack in georgia and pennsylvania and even in florida and texas. >> i wonder how it's going to affect it. >> that's the big challenge democrats have. turn this election from one about inflation to other issues. elections are usually only about one or two things. right now the election is about inflation, the economy, people not feeling well. if democrats can make this about

abortion or gun control, maybe they have a chance. but that's a big bet. maybe it's the only bet they have. you can't make an election about fife or six different issues. it's about cost of living and until that changes, they are in bad shape. >> you look at the states that put in place trigger laws. americans' abortion politics are in the middle. most don't want complete access necessarily and don't want these full bans. could there be a blowback for republican politicians in some of these states that put trigger bans and other restrictive bills in place? >> republicans have long said you strike down roe v. wade and you have states that put in reasonable limitations. you're seeing less than reasonable limitations on abortion. that's the risk. but again, as you said, i don't think this is a black and white clear win for democrats. there are a lot of republican voters that are animated by this as well. it's largely a wash if you get to the point it is about that this this election. >> maybe the key here and maybe

the special sauce for enthusiasm, we did see that in our poll that democrats are starting to feel more enthusiastic and they are closing that gap for republicans. if the theory is right here and there's only so many issues to care about, maybe abortion isn't if there's only so many issues you can care about, maybe abortion isn't the one that closes the deal but if it wakes people up to pay attention to, that's not nothing. >> it's important to remember this is may and we don't know what will be happening by the time most voters go to the poll. we have seen in the past that things that people thought would motivate voters in the spring were like dead when it came to time to actually vote. and so what happens in terms of whether there's a leak of the draft will determine how this issues moves forward. >> i want to talk about pennsylvania. we could end up with a republican ticket that was like all in on january 6th.

these are all people participating in some of the activities, not necessarily inside the building. mitch mcconnell talked about trying to get the most electable people, it doesn't not seem like that's what he'll get in pennsylvania. >> i ran into somebody last week who was despondent about the fact that barnett was going to be their nominee. you have federman who is going to beat connor lamm. we used to choke lamm was the most electable candidate and yet he's not going to be there. and here we are in 2022 potentially the nominee for senate in a swing state. so i hope that republicans are still the favorite in this state but both sides are trying to

nominate the least electable of the possible candidates. >> what do we make of the democratic field on this? he's getting clobbered right now according to the polls. all of a sudden federman is off the trails. how do you see that playing out? >> it's very similar. i'm going to take you guys across the atlantic to the race that we saw against macron and a white nationalist. you have a lot of folks going neck to neck on that because they weren't really enthusiastic. the moment that the runoff came and you saw that it was either democracy or nationalism, that's when a lot of the folks basically switched sides and they came out in droves for macron. i think there's a group of americans that are moderate republicans and independents that are waiting in the wings. they're not interested in the primary but if they have somebody that is fascist running against any democrat or independent, i think that there's going to be a break. it's not because they like the independent but it's because

little d democracy is on the ballot this year. >> that's always been the biden theory of the case. when we wake up wednesday morning, what's the story going to be about the pennsylvania primary? open seat primaries can be very eye opening to the dynamics going on in both parties. what do you think we might see? >> i think one of the things people might be most focused on is figuring out how influential president trump still is in republican politics in this state. we talk about kathy barnett rising in the polls. trump said he doesn't think she can win but he will supporter. we'll see how influential the former president remains in this party. >> brendan, let's talk about the republican party here. this cheney, new back and forth

about great replacement theory, how we got into a place where the republican party are trying to tap dance around this question of whether or not there is a white replacement effort going on in this country. how big of a problem is that for the gop? >> it's certainly not something you want to be talking about but maybe something we need to be talking about. i don't know. >> what context? >> for a long time people wanted to say there was no undertow of racism within our party and i have to admit that there is. if you're a member of congress, you decided you're going to go on an electoral path where it's republicans only, you don't ever try to worry about the middle. when you get to a situation like that, you can't cast aside any votes. even if they're racist you can't cast them aside. i think that's the dynamic flowing through the republican party. they don't have the electoral

margin to get rid of racism. that's what we found ourselves stuck in when you take this republican-only, play to the base approach. >> i want to give you probably the last here. i was struck in my interview with dick durbin when i asked him about guns. i thought he was very fatalistic on it, that this is not an issue that's going to get addressed. i don't sense there's the fight there for democratic voters or for democratic politicians. can that be an issue that breaks through? again, if we're operating on a theory there's only so many issues that are going to matter to voters, can democrats capture an anti-gun voter base to make -- >> he has very much a constituency that believes in safe right guns. that's something realistically in the democratic party they're not going to want to touch. is it good for america?

no. i think we need to have sensible gun laws. when we've talked about minority communities, we fail to recognize we're talking about 145 million americans. we're over 40% of this population. there's nothing minority about us and when we walk outside and we are concerned that you are children are going to get targeted because of the color of their skin, we need to have frank conversations about what the change in denomination means. they're talking about a future that's already in our classrooms. my children represent a majority/minority america and your children also and we are not having the difficult conversations about what that means and both parties need to embrace that. >> so maybe the action is on hate, not guns. we'll cover that in our second hour. no, i'm just kidding. that's all the time we've got. thank you for being with us this hour. check will be back tomorrow and

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