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making is fascinating, i took my kids to see pirates of the caribbean and johnny depp, this great actor that the kids loved and my friends loved johnny depp and then the trial in england went very badly for him and it was almost in a stage where he was, i guess you could say, he was almost canceled. people saying they wornt work with him again. so i guess what shocks me surprises me, is seeing these headlines and the packages, what is different with this trial versus the last trial. >> what is interesting, because it is on camera. and people are tuning in and watching while there is a court that will determine who is telling the truth and who is not in this case. you have the public really picking apart the testimony of both of these people and it has been -- i mean at times a real
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dumpster fire, hasn't it. these are two people that are troubled and the details that are disturbing, they both accuse each other of abuse. and a lot of people have looked at amber heard's testimony and found some of the things that she's claimed dubious. the same could be said also of johnny depp and i think you see a little bit of that play out. and in terms of victims of abuse coming forward, regardless of how this shakes out, there may be people who take away from this that their allegations of abuse may not be taken seriously. it certainly would be unfortunate if that were the case, joe. >> nbc's stephanie gosk, thank you very much. that is worth looking into more and talking about more. it is now the top of the fourth hour of "morning joe." 9:00 a.m. on the east coast, 6:00 a.m. out west and we have a lot to get to this morning. we'll have the latest from ukraine where after months of holding out, ukraine has
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officially ceded the key port city of mariupol as russian missiles struck just 15 miles from nate territory overnight. and a retired russian colonel makes waves on russian state television with his assessment of how the war is going. also the potential road block that could keep sweden and finland out of nato. and it is primary day for a handful of states across the nation. we'll go live to pennsylvania where the senate race there has been rocked by a series of late twists and turns. steve kornacki will join us from the big board to break it all down as voters head to the polls right now. but we start with a latest on the deadly shooting at supermarket in a predominantly black neighborhood in buffalo. president biden and the first lady dr. jill biden are on route to visit the memorial at the tops grocery store, to, quote,
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grieve with the community and to meet with the families of the ten people who were killed and three others injured after they were gunned down after saturday inside of that grocery store. the white house said biden will call on congress to act on, quote, weapons of war. and restrict gun access for people with serious mantle illness. willie. >> meanwhile, in congress, house democrats will tee up a vote on the domestic terrorism prevention act to combat the grow threat of white supremacist and other extremist groups. all of this coming as new details surface about the alleged shooter from saturday's attack. with "the washington post" reporting that the alleged shooter had been planning the attack for months. and took a recognizance trip back in march to scope out the store's security and its aisles. in review of hundreds of pages of internet posts, nbc news reports that the suspect planned to continue the violence at other locations had he not been arrested there at the
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supermarket. two possible spots the suspect allegedly wrote, a black church in buffalo, and an elementary school in the city. the author of the post wrote they were targeting the school because of its predominantly black student body which the person found by looking up test scores online. nbc news correspondent emilie ikeda has the latest from buffalo. >> good morning, this tight knit community is still realing over what happened as they continue to be bombarded by additional threats. investigators say at least one man has been arrested for making so-called copycat threats in the wake of the attack on the supermarket tops mind me as we learn about the suspect's movements months before saturday. we told you how the suspect had been in the area on friday, date before at tack. he was scoping out the area and plow police are confirming he was in the buffalo area back in
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march. several employees at the supermarket tops confirmed to me and echoed that time line. they say once the images of the suspect first came to light following at tack, they immediately recognized him. one woman who is white to works at the supermarket said the suspect had confronted her back in march and said you are out of place here. you don't belong here. the police arriving within a minute or two when the violence started and they arrested him after he allegedly threatened to himself. and a stunning interview with kate snow last night with the erie county sheriff, he believes the first two responding officers had not been white, they could have been in a very different direction. and believes that the shooter would have fired at officers. he was out to kill as many black people as possible. this is being investigated as a hate crime. and investigators say it could be a lengthy investigation. behind me on the ground, you'll see a heavy police presence, even more so than the last couple of days and that is
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because you mentioned, president biden and the first lady are expected to be visiting here within the next two hours or so. the president will first visit this memorial, a kind of border of the outskirts of the supermarket before speaking with and consoling the victims' families. he is expected to also deliver remarks. back to you. >> reporting from buffalo. remember on her note about the white police officer as riving, the 18-year-old allegedly shot and killed that hero police officer, the former buffalo officer aaron salter who defended the people in that store. turning now to an update on another mass shooting we told you about yesterday. according to the fbi, the shooting the a taiwanese church in southern california is being investigated as a hate crime. a 68-year-old man from las vegas who grew up in taiwan was upset about political tension between china and taiwan. >> we do know that based on information we've collected and
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i'm not going on to the details about that evidence, was a politically motivated hate incident, a grievance that this individual had between himself and the taiwanese community. >> the alleged gunman on sunday killed one person and hurt five more. after entering the church in laguna woods where he chained the doors and put superglue in the key holes before opening fire. dr. john college tackled the suspect, allowing other parishioners to subdue him and tie him up with extension cords. dr. chang was fatally shot at scene being hailed as a hero by everyone in that building. police say that the suspect had no previous connection to that church. mika. >> well turning to politics now, we're following key primaries in five states today including oregon, idaho and kentucky and north carolina. but the center of the political universe for the moment is in
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pennsylvania. where the race are another test offer president trump's endorsement power. joe, set this all up for us. donald trump endorsed dr. oz, while one of the key opponents of dr. oz actually has a lot of trump's kind of allies there, the people who worked for trump directly, who were with him through thick or thin, but he didn't endorse that candidate. >> yeah, you have a mainstream republican in david mccormick, a guy who democrats fear. a guy democrats believe could actually win in november. but right now all attention is on dr. oz, a guy who has completely shape shifted over the past year or so. a guy who went from sounding like a fierce defender of dr. fauci and also a guy who, again, was the antithesis of everything that donald trump has been in
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political views for quite sometime. but he has done whatever it is taken to get donald trump's endorsement. he got donald trump's endorsement. but now you have kathy barnette, who is more maga and perhaps more donald trump. and so right now in pennsylvania, we -- we have a toss-up. but barnette has all of the energy behind her right now. she has all of the momentum behind her. she's had a campaign that they spent very little money compared to dr. oz and dave mccormick. and right now you have to say, the wind is at her back. the momentum is on her side. and you'd be foolish to bet against her tonight. and then on the governor's side, you have a super maga gubernatorial candidate that democrats are actually cheering on and hope that he wins because
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they believe if he does win, and the republican primary, that democrats will walk into the governorship again. but to get more details on just the fascinating back and forth in the republican primaries, let's go to nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. he's in bucks county, pennsylvania. vaughn, man, it is a mess. especially on the senate side. three candidated competing and right now it looks like the one with no money, with all of the momentum. >> reporter: right. and joe, and mika, and could go back to the governor's race first real fast to touch on that. i know steve is coming on after me here to break down the map. but the governor's race is something in november we'll be talking about. not only here in pennsylvania but in arizona. and the certification of the 2024 presidential results. we're looking at doug mast re
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ano to take on democrat josh schapira. you'll find images of him outside of the capitol on january 6. they say to throw away the results and sent the electors. he said that here in pennsylvania all voters should have to reregister to vote. redo the voter rolls. in charge of picking the secretary of state, the individual to one the elections here. right now he has a substantial lead her in the governor's race and le face attorney general josh shapiro who just in the last 20 minutes tested positive for covid and it going to be off the campaign trail here through the rest of the week. okay. so we have the senate race here. and this is the one that has everybody scratching their heads. you have it. you have mehmet oz here, we were at his rally here in buck's county just last night and he had donald trump on the phone
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for about 7 minutes as trump went and spoke into the microphone there to a crowd of a few hundred people here and he was making his case for mehmet oz. essentially this is another situation in which he's put his influence on the line for this individual. but then you have kathy barnette, with a homophobic comments that she's trying to dry-clean now. trying to step away from the past comments and not saying that she re -- regrets them. i asked her about comments in five or six years ago in which she called for the banning of islam. take a listen. >> you talked about the banning of islam, what would that look like. >> these particular treats were almost a decade. and very few of them, if any of them, are even a complete thought. >> but you called for the banning and then you said on camera that it was incompatible with the constitution.
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>> and i'm saying it the not a complete thought or a complete sentence so i believe the media and many others have taken it out of context. >> reporter: and so the question is here, can kathy barnette, while saying we don't understand the context, which to be frank i don't know what context you need around the quote, ban islam and other derogatory comments that she made about the lgbt community. but this is kathy barnette saying if she could pull off this nomination and face democrat either john fetterman or conor lamb. and i think it is important to note that, when we're talking about the future of politics here, you have mccormick and oz who have multimillion-dollar operations an they have lists of likely voters who they are knocking on the door of and making phone calls to. kathy barnette does not have that. she's worked the ground the last year. meeting county folks and meeting different republican organizations but she does not
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have that organization. so if she pulls off the win tonight, we'll talk about the ability of a candidate with grassroots momentum, the ability to spread their message online through social media, being able to pull off and essentially beat back against well-known figures who have tens of millions of dollars, a tv star and a former ceo of a hedge fund. that is what is at stake here in this race here. willie. >> vaughn, if you at that poll right there, you have that cluster of the three of them all within the margin of error. how fascinating, what a representation that where the republican party is is that his closing argument is donald trump on a speaker phone. there you have it. as you travel around the state, what seems to be the motive and the reason behind this surge from barnette? what are you hearing from voters? they're not buying the shape shifting of doctor oz because she does seem to have come out of nowhere to a lot of people. >> it was about three weeks when
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i was at the trump rally down in the road and i was talking to voters. this is before kathy barnette was really in the picture and i was asking folks, mccormick or oz was my question and i heard waffling between the two. a lack of trust or boos when oz was brought to the stage there. yet the question for them was do we go with oz because trump said to go with oz here. and what kathy barnette offers them in the way that she's framed herself and softened her image is this mother of two kids, a black woman who understands race in america, a military vet, we should note. there are a lot of questions about her military experience. but she is framed herself as a conservative mother here and that is why it is no surprise she and her campaign were starting to see some shifts in terms of polling here. and in these areas where mehmet oz was expected to do well and
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that is why i'll let steve get into this, it is no surprise that mehmet oz was here in bucks county in the suburbs outside of philly but today the concern is, is kathy barnette diluting the vote and could mccormick sneak in and pull this off. >> nbc vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. greatly appreciated. it is going to be fascinating tonight in pennsylvania. let's bring in nbc news correspondent steve kornacki. steve, it is pretty clear and you laid it out pretty clearly in ohio, what we'd be looking at as we looked at the race where dollan needed to pick up and why jd vance needed to pick up votes. where what are looking at tonight between mccormick and oz and barnette. >> we'll go through the numbers. i saw you were putting some up. here is the average of every poll out there. so do you see kind of a three-way race here coming into
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tonight. had you a ton of money spent against mccormick. one thing to keep in mind here, geographically in pennsylvania, i'll talk about this a lot tonight, is that on the primary ballot they do list the county of residence for each candidate. mccormick is going to be listed as allegheny county, it is where he's from originally. i know he spent a lot of his prefegsal -- professional career. that is one thing we're looking for tonight. and we heard talk about the pennsylvania suburbs but three-way race here on the republican side. we haven't had as much polling on the democratic side. fetterman has led big in the poling. we've seen the wild card with fetterman as he suffered the stroke over the weekend and he's not been out in public since then and recovering if fr it but that is a bit of a wild card on election day.
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you're talking about doug masthiano. he got the endorsement over the weekend and he and kathy barnette have crossed endorsed each other. so that is one of the other questions to look for tonight. if masthiano is running away, are we going to see a correlation where he is doing best and pulling barnett with him and is there a tag team and while trump endorsed dr. oz and has put out a statement saying don't go for kathy barnette, the statement also said that she has a future in the party and co support her. so a bit of a mixed message there. so there is a cross pollination of the barnette vote as that comes in tonight. the other wild card, josh shapiro unaposed for the democratic nominee. his campaign has been putting up ads that are ostensibly to a
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democrat and attacking trying to increase masthiano's credibility with republican primary voters and playing up his questioning of the 2020 election. shapiro wants to run against masthiano and what this all builds to is just the question for the general election in pennsylvania, if a mastriano, if a barnette wins in the senate race, what makes some republicans tau you can to nervous about pennsylvania, i look at it this way. joe biden won pennsylvania, you could see here in 2010. remember he flipped it. trump had a won in 2016, biden won it by 80,000 votes in 2020. donald trump won it by 46,000 votes in 2016, so there was a swing about 126,000 votes between 2016 and 2020. that is the difference between pennsylvania being a red state in '16 and being a blue state
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for biden in 2020. and where was the shift most pronounced in pennsylvania, the voters most turned off by donald trump in those four years. they were the suburbs, right outside of the philadelphia. bucks county where you were just talking to vaughn, and delaware county, check this out, in 2016 if you look at the collar counties outside of philadelphia, hillary clinton won them, her margin was 188,000 votes. if you fast forward to 2020, joe biden won them look at how much bigger that margin was. a 293,000 votes. so basically biden gained 105,000 votes, net of 105,000 votes in the philadelphia suburbs. remember, it was a change of 125,000 that flipped the state. he got almost all of it. he got like 80% of it from growth in the philadelphia suburbs. so what democrats hope, what republicans fear, is that if republicans put up doug
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mastriano and barnette, that that will be a bridge too far and keep pennsylvania in the democratic column in 2022. >> and what are you going to be looking for as we're trying to figure out early tonight when the polls close, how will you be able to figure out, is there any particular counties you're going to where you're looking at doctor oz versus kathy barnette, to see if barnette really is cutting in oz's vote totals? >> yeah, so like i said, i want to see if there is a bit of an east/west divide here. because there is one theory here and you're looking at the biden/trump numbers. there is one theory that there could be a bit of an east/west divide that might benefit mccormick. but the other thing to keep in mind.
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we've seen this in the republican primaries so far this year. there is a difference between pennsylvania, where this plays in, the mail vote and the same-day vote. we saw this in 2020 how republican voters were more likely to show up and vote in person. but pennsylvania also has mail-in voting and i think there is going to be -- we've seen in other races, republican primaries the last couple of weeks, we've seen some pretty significant swings where the more moderate, level trumpy candidates do well where the mail-in votes are counted first and then when the same-day vote comes in, that is where the more sort of trump aligned candidate do better, the moderate candidates do worse. we saw that with dollan in ohio and we saw it nebraska last week. pennsylvania is a bit of a mish-mash. some of the counties will get mail vote right away and then we'll get the same day. other counties, i think we could be looking at a bit of a repeat of what we saw in 2020, where they don't even look at the mail
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stuff until late tonight, until tomorrow. so i just -- i would flag that going in, there is the potential here depending on what county we're talking about, for some significant swings here that could come late just based on the type of vote that is being counted. >> i think also in this race much like ohio, mccormick filling that lane that dollan filled in ohio, it is going to be interesting to see how mccormick does in the rural counties. if he's faring early on, better than dolan does in ohio. maybe he's staying competitive. but if he has the same trouble as a mainstream republican, and in rural counties, boy it could be a long night. steve, thank you very much. we'll see you back at the big board tomorrow morning with the results. mika. well, coming up this hour, on "morning joe," the latest developments from the war in ukraine. new russian missiles hit just 15
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miles from nato territory overnight. and the potential road block that could stand in the way of sweden and finland's bid to join nato. also ahead, bezos versus biden. we'll explain why the world's second richest man is feuding online with the leader of the free world. and there is more drama surrounding elon musk's bid to take over twitter. andrew ross sorkin will be here to explain. and lawmaker are trying to find out what is behind this video that was released by the department of defense last year. this morning they're holding the first hearing in decades on ufo's. we'll be right back. we'll be right back.
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ant the white house have been going back and forth on twitter after president biden blamed corporations for inflation and bezos blamed biden's stimulus plans. now he's going to buy twitter from elon musk. >> and a feud with jeff bezos that started with this tweet from president biden which he wrote that the wealthiest corporations should pay their fair share to bring down inflation. that prompted bezos to weigh in writing the president is conflating two separate issues and misleading the american people, the white house took issue with that assessment with a spokesperson saying it doesn't require a huge leap to figure out why bezos would take issue with the president's comments. joining us now, columnist and editor for "the new york times" and co-anchor of squawk box,
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andrew ross sorkin. good to see you. this back and forth between the white house and bezos doesn't get us anywhere. prices are still through the roof for everybody buying groceries and gas. what did you make of the argument that jeff bezos is making? >> well it is a bit of a soap opera. and jeff bezos is not wrong in the following way. it is a different issue. taxes would have an impact on inflation in the short-term. but obviously taxes are a long-term issue. so the question of whether you want to have higher taxes on corporations, i think is either a philosophical one or a long-term economic one, it is not something that you would do simply to deal with inflation in the very, very short-term. i also think that there is a couple of mixed messages in here and reasons for the back and forth. the president recently invited the head of one of the folks organizing the union in new york against amazon.
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so there is a bit of bad blood that is being created that sort of is a little bit behind all of this. but everybody is weighing in on this now. larry somers has come in on the other side of bezos. and there is an argument to be made that it would have an impact on inflation but just marginal in the short-term. and by the way, the chance that anything will happen on corporate tax rates any time soon is not even realistic. so it is just -- it is a lot of bluster at the moment. >> but why the bluster, andrew, that is what doesn't make a lot of sense, what is his pr people saying, this is a guy that has been through much worse in the past than a joe biden statement. it just -- >> i don't know what has gotten into him. >> -- to billionaires with spaceships. >> i'm not sure exactly what is happening. it might be there is too much attention focused on mr. musk so jeff is trying to take a little bit of it.
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i'm not really sure what is creating this moment. i will say, now that jeff bezos is no longer the ceo of amazon, he is been much more outspoken on twitter. if you look, he used to be relatively quiet, would not weigh in on too many issues and he owns "the washington post" could he so weigh in any day he wants. >> nice. >> by the way, if you are jeff bezos, looking at the years that amazon in the past has paid 0% in corporate taxes, you might want to just keep quiet. now we talked about elon musk. and you just wonder whether elon musk all along has just been playing the twitter thing for the headlines. and just a poke and prod certain people. because it is not like musk didn't know going into this that
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twitter has had a problem with bots for a very long time. he's acting shocked now. bots, bots on twitter, oh, my lord. where is my fainting couch. i mean, i buy this after wall. >> look, what is happening here is a guy who i think -- we don't know how serious he was from the get-go, but clearly he's having cold feet. clearly he bought it at too high of a price. everything thought it was economically irrational and that is before the stock market and all of the big tech companies started to fall. so when you start to think about where the market was when he bought twitter, and where the market is today, and what twitter was worth then and definitely now, and i think what you're starting to see is elon musk trying to poke holes or grab anything he could grab on to to go back to twitter and say i'm not going to do this deal at the price, either i'm walking or you'll take a much lower price.
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and the board would say if you read the contract, you have to buy us at the price agreed upon. let's go to court. but then they'll end up in court for 12 months, two years, that costs money and so maybe they're going to have a calculus which is to say i'll take a lower price to get this whole thing to be over with. >> politics aside, i mean who is he's going to allow and not going to allow on twitter. i mean, i don't know a whole lot about finance, he's a richest guy in the world. willie and i and of course everybody knows, we invest at the dog track. but even i understand, this is a really stupid deal. there is a reason why every time he backed away from twitter and gets cold feet, tesla stock goes up. it is just a dumb play for him. andrew ross sorkin. >> i was going to say, tesla has been tanking as well and that is a big part of this. there are these margin loans and if that stock continues to fall
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he has problems. there are a reportoit this morning he might try to sell part of spacex to fund twitter. so there is a lot being put to bear here. >> andrew ross sorkin. we'll see you tomorrow. and coming up, a look at stores making the front page headlines across the country including a deal in michigan to try and help ease the baby formula shortage plaguing the country. and new comments from the co-chair of the republican governor's association on abortion. on why he doesn't think there should be any exceptions for rape or incest. plus, a red cross official said europe's embrace of the ukrainian refugees has been a quote, double standard. we'll talk about why when "morning joe" returns. "morning joe" returns. attention medicare beneficiaries, if you have or are eligible for medicaid, please listen closely.
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biden: we have a crisis: the price at the pump. our prices are rising because of putin's actions. we need to double down on our commitment to clean energy. building a made-in-america clean energy future will help safeguard our national security. it will help us tackle climate change. this is a challenge of our collective lifetimes. there's no more time to hang back or sit on the fence or argue amongst ourselves. so let this be the moment that we answer history's call. 39 past the hour. beautiful shot of dallas, texas this morning. time now to take a look at the morning papers. the detroit news details a new
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deal between the fda and baby formula manufacturer abbott laboratories to restart production at its michigan plan within weeks. the plant was shut down back in february after four babies contracted a rare bacterial illness and an inspection found unsanitary conditions at the facility. this sparked a nationwide formula shortage that has left parents across the country in a state of panic. >> and even with that, it is going to take some time to get the formula to the shelves. let's go to new mexico. the daily press reports on a wildfire in the northwest part of the state that has grown rapidly in the past 24 hours. from 8,000 to more than 42,000 acres. officials there warning smoke from the black fires as it called could not only reach nearby towns but also bordering states in the coming days. the "miami herald" reports the biden administration is making major changes in its
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policy toward cuba. including adding flights to cities other than havana and re-establishing a family reunification program. it comes after a month's long review to the policy that began last summer. in oregon, the salem statesman journal reports early voting numbers have put the state on track for its lower voter turnout in 60 years with only about 17% of the ballots sent to voters returned so far. polls are set to open in that state at the top of the hour. turning though nebraska where the lincoln journal star has a follow on these comments from governor pete ricketts about banning abortion in his state. >> if roe v. wade which is a horrible constitutional decision gets overturned by the supreme court, which we're hopeful of, here in nebraska we're going to take further steps to protect those proborn babies. >> including in the case of rape or incest.
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>> they're stale babies, yes. they're still babies. >> ricketts said that he will call a special legislative session to move on the issue if the supreme court overturns roe v. wade. let's head to utah, the spectrum and daily news featuring a front page story on legalize the sports betting and how it is paying out big in the united states. in the four years since the supreme court cleared the way for legal sports betting, americans have bet more than $125 billion and generated $1.3 billion in taxes. for more than 30 states that have made it legal, utah by the way is not one of those states, mika. >> coming up, we're going to the capitol where lawmakers are holding the first hearing on ufos and over 50 years to find out what is behind recent mist earous. and we look at the impact the
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there is no intergalactic space shape. he's taken our money so he could build one hell of a spaceship. >> all right, 47 past the hour. for the first time in over half a century, unidentified aerial phenomenon are being debated if the halls of congress. right now congress is holding a public hearing on what are commonly known as ufos. the hearing will feature testimony from two top defense intelligence officials who will be discussing concerns raised by a report released last year from the director of national intelligence on the subject. nbc news correspondent gadi schwartz has the details. >> reporter: this morning ufos
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are arriving in d.c. and while they're appearance won't be as explosive as the hollywood hype, today congress is holding a public hearing on ufos for the first time in 50 years. all in a search for answers to those military sightings that have yet to be explained. you probably remember the wild scenes captured by the u.s. navy and declassified by the department of defense last year. >> look at this thing. >> those followed up by even more leaked videos from navy warships showing objects flying over the seas. >> that flashed. >> reporter: the pentagon confirmed all of the clips were investigated by a tank force and an intelligence report released last june listed over 140 classified incidents that have baffled the department of defense. >> the way they move can't be explained. and they don't know why that is
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but they move in ways that aren't consistent with what we understand about physics. >> reporter: chairman adam schiff and andre carson are leading democrats holding the public hearing. >> do you think this could be extraterrestrial life. >> we don't know. but the focus isn't on extra terrestrials, it is on unidentified aerial phenomenon that might pose a national security risk. >> and now the two set to testify about what is known about ufos, all eyes are on the hill and the effort to unravel the mystery in our skies. >> all right. nbc's gadi schwartz with that report. and we've seen the fake and the funny ufo video clips from our youth. but, man, when you start seeing these clips that are released from the pentagon, i remember looking at the first ones especially with the one that was going at an extraordinary speed and then suddenly it stops and
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rotates and turns up and you're like, wait a second. we haven't seen any air force plane that is able to do that. suddenly you realize that we're looking at something that we just don't understand. >> and that's what you're hearing from people are not -- these aren't tin foil hat people with antennas who are making these claims. you are getting department of against and intelligence series. and that was adam schiff saying that there is a lot to listen to here.series. and that was adam schiff saying that there is a lot to listen to here. so congress now saying that it is worth our time to look into it. and coming up, we're keeping an eye on buffalo where the president just landed. and the latest from ukraine, a brutal standoff in mariupol appears to be over. but what is next for those fighting until the very end.
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soldiers returned to ukrainian-held areas at a future date. ukrainian officials say efforts are being made to save the remaining soldiers holed up in underground passages below the steel plant though it remains unclear how many still are inside. meanwhile, russia has unleashed new missile strikes in western ukraine just miles from nato territory. the missiles damaged railway infrastructure monday night after strikes on a ton in the area of lviv about 15 miles from the border with poland. there was also damage to infrastructure in yriv. number missiles is among the heist the region has seen since the invasion began. no fatalities were reported. so, joe, that has become rare, but we're seeing again where russia is lobbing missiles pretty near the border of poland but more importantly, struggling still in the donbas, the scaled back effort to take the downs
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donbas in the east not going the way putin hopes it will. >> not going the way he hopes it will and this obviously is something recognized back in russia and i suspect why we saw the missile strikes close to the polish border. russians had said that military shipments would be targets and i'm sure that there are a lot of russian commanders and vladimir putin who understand that they will not win in the donbas, they won't win in the other part of ukraine as long as western weapons continue to go in. but those missile strikes are a good reminder of what gary caspro writes in the "wall street journal." he says this is no time to go wobbly onrous sha. i've long said that vladimir putin is a russian problem, but the west needs to stop helping
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him. every phone call that legitimizes his authority, every cubic meter of gas and oil imported from russia is a line of the dictadictatorship. the free world is remembering how to fight and we're discovering the values that give meaning to that fight that is bad news for mr. putin and other dictators watching closely. ukrainians are fighting for their lives and their nation and for the free world. let it not be as a proxy but as a partner and mika, right now obviously so much is in flux. the russian army continuing to collapse in the east like it did around kyiv. at the same time, missiles flying closer to the nato border than ever before. >> and this whole time massive suffering, the "wall street journal" reports that more people have returned to ukraine than left the country in recent days.
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on saturday, 37,000 people left ukraine via crossings to the european union and moldova, and 46,000 entered the country crossings in and out of poland where the majority of those who fled ukraine have gone have been roughly even since mid april. let's bring in the president and ceo for the center for european policy analysis. she is also an adjunct professor of european studies at the johns hopkins university school of advanced international studies. and an expert european security and russian foreign policy. and so if i could first ask you the state of the refugee crisis, are more people going back in, are there others that are leave something how would you describe the refugee situation at this moment? >> thanks, mika, i'm actually speaking to you right now from poland, i'm in warsaw where i've been meeting with a lot of ngos
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on the ground here thathave the first responders really to the millions of ukrainians who have been coming to poland as their first country that they are able to get to. and what they told me on this issue, it is not really clear because many ukrainians are going back, you know, they went back for easter, orthodoxrecent how many are staying in ukraine and how many are coming back to poland. so the numbers tell an unclear story. but the situation is still dire here for refugees in terms of humanitarian assistance. of more needs to be done to make sure that the women, the children, are able to actually live in poland for the time that they are here, but i think one thing is very clear, that ukrainians want to go home. they don't want to be permanent refugees. they want to be home in ukraine. >> have the numbers of ukrainians coming into poland gone down?
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>> again, it has certainly since the beginning of the fighting february 24th when we saw absolutely staggering numbers multiplying day in, day out. now the numbers have evened out, they have plateaued and now we're seeing more of a back and forth movement rather than millions and millions flooding. and so the situation feels a bit more stable, but it is certainly not sustainable for the long term. poland is hosting about 3 million ukrainian refugee, again majority women, children, the elderly. and it is a difficult environment for them and it is not a lot of infrastructure in place to support them for the long term. >> many of them are in situations that are temporary, that it is dragging out for months. and that is a whole different phase of this war that needs to be handled by the world, by the support of the world. doctor, thank you so much for coming on and for the work you are doing there in warsaw. and that does it for us this
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good morning. 10:00 a.m. eastern, 7:00 a.m. pacific. today voters across five states will head to the polls for primary races. we'll bring you the latest. and we'll ask brendan boyle what he is watching for this decision day. plus president biden is in buffalo today to meet with families after the racist shooting at a grocery store in a largely black neighborhood that left