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carolina's 11th congressional district run out of patience with congressman madison cawthorn, as trump's pick in that race is voted out. steve kornacki is standing by to break down the results from last night's top races and what they mean. and developing overnight, finland and sweden formally submit their applications to join nato. we will be joined in our third hour by sweden's ambassador to the u.s. and clint watts will take us to the maps at this hour. plus, another sign the justice department is expanding its investigation into the january 6 attack of the capital. it's now trying to get access to the transcripts of witnesses who have met with the congressional committee, investigating the insurrection. we'll bring in one of the reporters who broke that story. and president biden consoles those who lost loved ones in the deadly mass shooting in buffalo, as he vows to, quote, expose the

people who use powerful platforms to spread hate. jonathan lemire has some new reporting on that this morning. good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is a busy, may 18th. along with joe, willie and me, we have former aide to the george w. bush white house and state departments elise jordan, she's an msnbc political analyst. and the aforementioned host of "way too early" and chief at politico, jonathan lemire is here as well. a mixed bag. >> so, a real mixed bag, willie, if you go through not only pennsylvania but the republican primaries. in pennsylvania, you had donald trump candidate winning in the gubernatorial race. and the senate primary, which is still up for grabs, you have two-thirds of the voters voting against donald trump selection. you do have north carolina where, again, we just talked about, mika just said that

donald trump's pick madison cawthorn lost. incumbent lost, in the house race but donald trump won statewide. and you can go across the country in places like idaho, where they're having really some challenges in the republican party, with far right extremists. white nationalists, christian nationalists. and all of that sort of clumping together. a law enforcement of the far-right candidates of the donald trump supporters, including the lieutenant governor lost their races, too. so, a mixed bag at best for the former president. >> yeah. a mixed bag. even said, the state of pennsylvania which is where we're looking very closely. you have doug mastriano who was a late bandwagon choice of donald trump. but donald trump's choice indeed. he won the republican nomination in that state, concerning establishment republicans who believe he's going to have a tough time beating the democrat josh shapiro in that state. as mika said, still too close to

call in that hotly contested senate race. republicans still do not have a winner. the election too close to call between the trump-backed dr. mehmet oz and hedge fund executive and military veteran david mccormick. mccormick is backed by trump officials including former secretary of state mike pompeo. a recent poll, we saw him losing momentum after trump attacked him as not maga. we talked about conservative kathy barnette who shook up the race in the final stretch with a late surge. but she has fizzled out and likely will finish third. on the other side, democrats chose john fetterman to be the nominee. fetterman had been leading in the polls when he suffered a stroke on friday. he voted in the primary from a pennsylvania hospital and expected to make a full recovery. as i mentioned in the gubernatorial race, far right conspiracy theorist doug

mastriano has won the republican nomination. mastriano was leading the race when he received that endorsement from donald trump on saturday. if he wins he said he will employ a secretary of state that will, quote, reset the state voter rolls. josh shapiro democrat ran unopposed. if you look at mastriano's history, his views, democrats are excited running against him with a strong condate in josh shapiro, but we should pause in 2016 when donald trump was nominated and democrats were excited as well. >> yeah, i remember "snl" skit, talking about it. when in 1966, just like this pennsylvania race, ronald reagan's primary opponent

actually pumped money into -- or the democrats actually pumped money into ronald reagan's campaign in 1966, because they knew he would be the weakest candidate. you have to be careful trying to game this out. i will say this, willie, i think i'll just speak for myself. i think sometimes, i speak in shorthand. a lot of people are speaking in shorthand by saying, oh, an election denier won in pennsylvania. it's so important, mornings like this, we just stop and say, wait a second, the republican party in pennsylvania elected an election denier. a guy who is opposed to democracy. a guy who is opposed to fair and free elections. a guy who is ill-liberal in much the same way we see with authoritarian governments in hungary. and a guy who, basically, says doesn't smarter what the voters say. it doesn't matter what the

federal judiciary says, it doesn't matter if it's 63 federal courts that say it. it doesn't matter if there's no evidence. if my side doesn't win, then the election outcome is illegitimate. this is something, again, something new in 2016. and something new in 2020. it's also, again, now, it's in 2022, the fact that we have candidates and voters across america that have as much contempt for madisonian democracy that have as much contempt for american democracy framed in the constitution that have as much contempt for the will of voters, it's something that, again, we can't overstate. >> you're right. and not a casual fan or observer. he was at the stop the steal rally on january 6, doug mastriano. did not reach the capitol. was not inside the building but there's reporting that he

crossed police lines. point is he was there. and fought in days after and weeks after to try to overturn the 2020 election inside the state of pennsylvania as i say, vowed as governor he will wipe clean the voter rolls and make everybody register again because he believes there's fraud in voter rolls because of the fact that donald trump lost in pennsylvania. let's go right to the big board. national political correspondent for nbc news and msnbc, steve kornacki got his 15 minutes of sleep and he's back with us now. steve, let's start with the senate race. boy, look at those numbers, what's still out there, who has the edge? >> yeah, having flashbacks in november 2020 the week after the election when it all came down to pennsylvania and we were waiting for mail-in ballots. i think that's where the story is going to wind up in the senate race. you see statewide, oz's needle on mccormick, 0.2 of 1%.

one of the things we're trying to nail down from pennsylvania counties it appears there might be same election day votes. folks that went out and voted at the polls yesterday, still to be counted in some of these counties. not a ton. but we think for instance, there may be some remaining in delaware county. this is a big one right outside of philadelphia in dolphin county, where harrisburg is, the state capital is, next door. cumberland county where carlisle is. we're trying to nail down exactly how much there will be the same day vote, basically, when you add it up together, cumulatively across the state, oz and mccormick basically splitting it. it's basically a tied race right now. when you get through that however much is left, trying to nail that down with counties this morning, first thing. the other thing that we do know is there are a number of mail-in ballots that have yet to be counted.

now, there are some counties in pennsylvania that came into yesterday, saying, hey, we have mail-in ballots. we're not even going to look at them until the day after the election. there are a few counties that said a place like mercer county in western pennsylvania made that statement. other counties said, well, we started to count them. i'll give you an example here. reserve county said, we started to count them. last night, they said, okay. we're going to stop counting for the night. we're going to resume counting the mail-in ballots tomorrow. there's more votes, oz, for instance, is doing well here. we're not sure exactly how many mail-in ballots remain. if we use this number, say 20,000, trying to write that number down here. 20 is what that should look like. if you use about 20,000 mail-in ballots. again that should be a zero there. i don't know if that looks like 20,000. >> close enough. >> let's say that's 20,000 votes. i think the key is this. in the mail ballots that have been counted so far statewide,

mccormick is running nine points ahead of oz on the mail ballots. so if you have 20,000, give or take here, we're trying to get the exact number here. it might be somewhere in that ballpark, there would be an opportunity there for mccormick to make up -- probably, if it's nine points, not all of that gap with oz. but cuts severely into that gap with oz. this is one of the things we've been seeing, republican primary, after republican primary, the trumble-endorsed candidate, in this case, mehmet oz has been doing worse with mail-in votes than the same-day votes. if you've got a batch of mail-in votes uncounted we've seen candidates like mccormick doing better. depending on how many mail ballots there end up being an opportunity for mccormick to cut into that oz lead. the key is, wherever it does end

up, pennsylvania law is within half a percentage point difference between the candidates -- recount. it's 0.2 of a point right now. again, there's some possibilities on the board here for oz to add same-day vote. there's possibilities for mccormick to add mail vote. >> hey, steve, i'm just looking at the pennsylvania map. i'm comparing it to the ohio map from a couple weeks ago. and dave mccormick fits the bill of, say, matt dolan in ohio, a guy that's more mainstream republican. a guy who's very successful as a business person. and we saw how horribly dolan did in rural ohio. i must say, looking at the map, i'm a bit surprised, mccormick did extremely well in rural pennsylvania. that is something that i don't know how many people would have predicted beforehand. but, again, if you look at the trend lines, how well the trump-backed candidates do in rural pennsylvania. oz underperformed greatly.

mccormick did extraordinarily well. >> what did barnette have to do with all of that? >> yeah, perhaps, barnette took some votes away from oz. but also same-day voting when mccormick was ahead by, you know, thousands of votes, after the mail-in voting. i thought, oh, gee, oz is going to overwhelm him with all the same-day voting. but i must say mccormick showed a lot of resilience that i just haven't seen by candidates not backed by donald trump this year. do you have any insight as to why he outperformed in so many ways? >> yeah. depends where you're looking. there are some regional differences in the race. one thing we were saying, was there an east-west divide. one of the things they do in pennsylvania they put the candidate's home county right next to their name in the ballot. mccormick used allegheny county. he's the only candidate to have

a western pennsylvania county on the ballot. that's one thing they're looking for, in western pennsylvania would there will be a boost from mccormick. a lot of the western pennsylvania counties did well here. that home dynamic did well. one of the most important things, we're surprised to see maroon on the map is right here in montgomery county. this is one of the biggest high quality dense population. and barnette lists montgomery county as her home county. oz lists montgomery county as his home county. barnette and oz running one/two in montgomery county. so, i do think it's a geographic element based on the home counties candidates using on the ballots. you see mccormick in rural western pennsylvania. and in central pennsylvania put up good numbers. the other thing, if you go to northeast pennsylvania, you know

who's doing real well right there. mehmet oz. take a look at lackawanna county where scranton, mehmet oz, wilkes-barre, hazleton, oz putting up good numbers here. i was looking at the spreadsheet. we were trying to track, based on donald trump's performance in 2016 republican primaries. trump swept pennsylvania in the 2016 republican primaries. it's the only republican primary trump ever ran in pennsylvania. if you index this vote to donald trump's performance in the '16 republican primary, the place where is trump got the highest share of the vote in the 2016 primary, oz is doing the best in those places. so, i think there was a boost for oz. but, again, that doesn't mean it's going to be definitive here. because statewide, as you can see, this is how close mccormick has made it. >> steve, elise here, with the number of ballots that still remain to be counted, mail-in, you said that, you know, david

mccormick is running about nine points ahead of oz when it comes to mail-in, do you think it's enough for him to eke out a victory and not trigger a recount? >> see, the recount thing, it's hard to see this getting north either way, half a point. and that's where we have to be, to avoid a recount. so, like i said, the question for the morning is exactly how much and where is there any same-day vote that has not been counted. and there's a little bit of confusion around that. i think delaware county, a pretty big one there, this is delaware county, right outside of philadelphia. one of the places where, you know, our model is saying there might be 10,000, 15,000 more same-day votes to be counted there. their website is suggesting something different. we need to nail that down, exactly how much is left there. there are a couple places like that. but there could be opportunities in that for oz to build the lead a little bit like i said, even if oz pads this lead by a few thousand votes.

then you've got the mail ballots to be counted. and mccormick, as i said, leads by nine in the mail that's been counted so far. what we've seen in other primaries suggest candidates like mccormick tend to do better with the mail. mail looks like an opportunity for whatever need oz emerges with from mccormick to eat into it. enough, potentially, certainly, to get inside that -- it would take a lot for oz to get this above 0. 0.5%. the interesting scenario, if we count the same-day up, and then we count the mail-up, and mccormick leapfrogs and takes the lead. and then deja vu all over again, you're talking about donald trump's candidate in pennsylvania being overtaken in the election on the strength of mail-in ballots. that's what it would take for

mccormick, that was a dynamic we saw play out in 2020 that the former president had some trouble with, we'll put it that way. >> hey, steve, it's jonathan lemire, yeah, i'm sure donald trump won't say a word about that scenario. let's turn to north carolina, if we could, another high profile race. madison cawthorn has been in a few headlines of late. and he lost, tweeted a concession. tell us what went wrong for him. break it down, that race for us, if you will. >> yeah, what went wrong for madison cawthorn, obviously, terrible headlines in recent weeks and a pretty coordinated campaign in the 11th district of north carolina. you're seeing it here, far western north carolina. beautiful mountain country out there. and take a look here. these are component counties within the district. this is chuck edwards who beat cawthorn the margin ends up with 1300 votes. what's interesting, cawthorn

nearly pulled this out. i think why cawthorn is going to fall short. these are where edwards won. henderson, hendersonville is, this is two things, henderson county is cawthorn's home county but this what i just circled is the political base in the state legislature of chuck edwards. ultimately what ended up happening, it was interesting to watch the results come in last night. because we were watching the same day get counted up in the rural counties along the tennessee border. and cawthorn was killing it in those counties. there was a moment last night when edwards jumped out to a big lead. i'm watching one county after another, specifically along the border saying, you know, i think cawthorn's going to catch him. i think cawthorn's going to end up taking him. what ended up happening, the final outstanding votes ended up coming particularly in henderson county. edwards represented in the state

legislature and it was a totally different story there. the folks that knew edwards as constituents, the folks that knew him as their state legislator. and also knew cawthorn as their congressman. they broke decisively for edwards. there's another concentration in that area carries him over the top. because in the rest of the district, cawthorn ended up cleaning up. >> nbc's steve kornacki, thank you very much. we'll see you again in the fourth hour if you're still standing. really, all of the races put together was first kind of the initial test as we head towards the midterms of trump's power. so, an endorsement from donald trump, joe, in these races translated to what? >> well, you want tell -- obviously, if you're a republican, and you want to win your primary, unfortunately, i think the cost is too high for most decent people. but there are a lost of indecent people out there that will do

anything to win. look at j.d. vance who says get me a good christian vote for donald trump and decided he wants to get elected and all of a sudden, trump is the greatest president ever. as a matter of fact, he compared him to hitler a few years ago. same thing with dr. oz. you talk about a shape shift. this was a guy that was so concerned with covid that it made dr. fauci blush now she's super maga. i do wonder, i look at these people, and the complete sense of shame at what they're doing. willie, i'd love for you to talk about that. but i want to talk about one more thing really quickly. and that is here we find ourselves in pennsylvania again, where we're having to wait to see who's going to win. and i just want to remind everybody here. this is by design. this is by design by trumpists.

it's by design because they know that they're going to do badly in early voting. and those are the first results that are going to come in. and they think that's going to shape the coverage. before 2016, you can go back and get on your big google machine, people were pleading with the republican legislatures in wisconsin and pennsylvania, in michigan, please do what ron desantis' florida does. count the early votes early. that way, you'll know who wins the election, as we always do in florida, by 9:00 or 10:00 at night. there will be no controversies. everybody can go to sleep knowing who the next president is going to be. in this case, if they counted all of the votes early, willie, everybody would know before they went to sleep last night, who the republican nominee for the senator was. but, again, here we are in pennsylvania. this -- people act like, oh, my god, it's pennsylvania. this is just how it is in pennsylvania. let me say again, it's not a

communist conspiracy to actually do things that make sense. right? count your early votes early. like they do in florida. like they do in other states. and so, at 7:00 p.m., when the polls close in florida, you know where the election is moving because of the early votes. and the only question is, are there enough same-day votes to catch up. this is, again -- but, again, i can't say it enough. they keep it this way so people like donald trump can lie in the weeks that follow. and donald trump will lie again. if dave mccormick wins here. he'll start his lying again. oz will start the lying again. oh, it's rigged. we're having to wait two weeks. who in the world waits two weeks. the people who wait two weeks are state legislators who do it intentionally, so the voters don't know who wins that night. they need to go and do it the way florida does.

and yes, ron desantis is governor in florida, jeb was a governor in florida. it's not a communist conspiracy. it's just the smartest. >> practical. >> sanest, most practical, most conservative way to do things. >> as you say, it doesn't have to be this way, but it's designed to be this way from the space from election night until two, three, four, five -- six days, a week out that gives the oxygen and space for donald trump and others and conspiracy theorists who say they're trying to steal this from dr. oz. we know why they're doing it. it shouldn't happen, you're right. it takes a different legislature to change the rules. there's a republican legislature in florida they do it there, i don't know why they don't have it in pennsylvania. elise, before we wrap this up, i want to go to you quickly on the way some of the candidates have run. let's take pennsylvania as an example, toeing the line between let's say david mccormick. military veteran, successful business man, called january 6th

a dark chapter in american history. all of that, in the process of trying to court the endorsement of donald trump moved back over and said, well, we shouldn't blame donald trump for january 6. s there was a lot of going on. talking about espousing the america first agenda. it's a line they walk. and just to watch dr. oz, to watch mccormick, to watch these other candidates, it's a little painful to catch them trying to get donald trump's endorsement, when they don't get it to try to swing back but also keep his voters. >> yeah, also if they didn't get it, maybe they would have been better off not trying for it in the first place. and keeping the cautious distance, the glenn youngkin playbook so to speak. we're going to hit the great phase of this 2022 experiment. you look at as contenders are getting knocked out and who is victorious in the primaries, it's really going to get a bit

more existential about democracy. you're going to have a candidate who marched january 6 up for governor on the gop side. how much is the gop actually going to support doug mastriano. candidates like that. i'm looking at the next phase now. and it's going to be -- the stakes are a little bit higher than just votes. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," the justice department's investigation into the january 6 attack on the capitol appears to be widening. we'll explain that brand-new reporting. plus, president biden makes a somber trip to the buffalo grocery store where a gunman opened fire on saturday. we'll show you his message concerning the racist ideology that the shooter embraced. and the latest from the ukrainian soldiers evacuated from the steel plant in mariupol. the ukrainian government said they would be part of a prisoner swap. but russia may label them

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asked lawmakers on the house select committee for transcripts of interviews the panel has conducted as part of its probe. committee chair bennie thompson indicated his panel isn't ready to hand over those documents. here's what he told reporters yesterday. >> the reality is that we are conducting our own investigation. and obviously, if they want to come and talk, they're perfectly welcome to come and talk. and we have talked to them on other situations. but we can't give them full access to our product. that would be premature at this point because we haven't completed our own work. >> joining us now, one of the first reporters who broke this story, congressional reporter at the "the new york times" luke broadwater. also with us former u.s. attorney and an msnbc contributor barbara mcquade. luke, i want to dig deeper into

your reporting, but, barbara, can you give us an overall sense, explain what this means. >> i think this is a very significant development, mika. it tells us that the justice department is looking at more than just the physical attack that occur on january 6 at the capitol, but the full scope of all of the things that the january 6 committee has been investigating that includes aides to mike pence the pressure that donald trump put on him to stop the decertification. it includes doj officials who pressured trump that there was fraud in the election. i don't think it means necessarily only now are they beginning that expansive investigation. i think they've just reached a point where they've decided it's okay to go overt -- it's likely they've been doing covert investigations to get email, for example, is likely completed and

now ready to proceed to this phase. >> luke is your reporting in "the new york times," the report that barbara was making as to where the justice department investigation may or may not be. there's been, as you know, frustration both public and private with the justice department not being more aggressive around january 6. based on your reporting, people you've been talking to, what is the sense of how far along they are looking into this? >> well, obviously different aspects of the investigation have been moving at different paces. they're quite far along in rounding up rioters, right? there's more than 700 people who came into the capitol that day, or came on to the capitol grounds that day, who have been arrested. but what they're doing is, from my sense of it is, they're starting at january 6 and working backwards. so, they started with the attack itself. and now they're starting to go back and see what led to it. and that's the work the january 6th committee has been doing for months. and so the january 6 committee

has more than 1,000 interviews. and they've interviewed lots of people in lots of different aspects of the plans to overturn the election. high-ranking officials in the white house. people who are involved in the so-called fake electors scheme. all the way down to domestic -- the leaders of domestic violence extremist groups. so there are many interviews that show the justice department would be interested in seeing if only maybe as preinformation before they do interviews of the same people. perhaps, it would give them some leads of where to go. but i do think it shows, pretty clearly now that the justice department is not just focused on these rioters anymore. and they want to work their way up the food chain. >> and, yeah, that's really what the core of your reporting in the new piece is, they want the transcripts from the select committee, from trump associates. from people around donald trump who may have spoken to him that day, who may have planned the event on january 6th, who may

have helped him try to stage the coup in the days after january 6. do you have any idea, specifically, who the justice department might be looking at specifically? >> that's an interesting question. i don't. because the letter that was sent to the committee which we were able to review was pretty broad. the way i understand it, it's the sort of start of a negotiation with the committee. first, they tell them, we might want access to all of your transcripts. and the committee is going to say, well, maybe you can have access to some of them. maybe there's some information we want from the justice don't that will use this as a negotiating tool. and we'll give you access to this, if you give us access to that. i think bennie thompson's comments were interesting yesterday. after we broke this story. because he immediately came out and said, hey, we're not turning over anything. and then we heard more from some

more sources connected to the committee, that this is part of a discussion. and, you know, maybe the justice department will get access to these interviews. but they might want something from the justice department in return. they have been working for many months to compile all of these interviews. but i do think, you know, the base of the democratic party is going to want to see a strong justice department investigation. and i think they will probably want the committee to turn over the interviews. so, whether that happens immediately right now, or in a matter of weeks or months remains to be seen. >> hey, barbara, it's jonathan, i want you to pick up where luke was just going there. there's been a lot of growing pressure on the department of justice to act on this. and certainly, politics involved. you don't have to weigh in on that. but indeed, the doj, wants to to go after some of the more bold face names in trump's orbit, not

just those who stormed the capitol, what would that look like? what sort of time line would we see? >> lisa monaco is the deputy attorney general she gave a talk that indicates how this road map plays out. one thing she said that's really important i think is that the justice department investigates crimes and not people. and the facts tell you where to go. you start as luke said with the crime in front of you and build from there. you have to imagine, when they're looking at the attack, they have to be looking at some of the communications of john eastman, who even after the attack began continued to pressure mike pence into stopping the certification. which i think opens the door to you aof the memos he wrote. and what their effort was to try to thwart the counting on that day. and that opens the door to the letters that jeffrey clark at doj was wanting to send to states like georgia. to have their legislatures swap out their own set of slates of electors for the electors that

had been elected by the voters. so, i think these facts, one leads to another. and as lisa monaco said, they will hold accountable anyone at any level who each, if they were not at the capitol that day, i hear that to my ear. i hear that donald trump and anyone else within his orbit is fair game. >> all right. former u.s. attorney attorney general barbara mcquade and luke broadwater, thank you both so much. we greatly appreciate it. we'll have more on this development later in the show. before we get to the next story, though, jonathan lemire, i wanted to talk about the investigation where there's a growing movement, certainly, the new england area to investigation exactly what's happening to the boston red sox. what did ownership know. >> and who's the guy on the green monster who caught two home runs? >> when did they know it? please, jonathan lemire, 13-4 last night, what was it, five

home runs in the same ining? >> yeah, growing pressure on attorney general merrick garland to bring charges against the front office here. nathan eovaldi got through the first inning on five pitches. wow. >> that's great. >> in the second inning, he gave up five home runs, five! the same pitcher, you're seeing them here. you guys are lucky i showed up for work today. you're seeing them all here. it was just a bloodbath. he gave up a cool nine runs in one frame. indeed, one lucky fan got two home run balls up there in the green monster. >> no way. >> and they got crushed. but i will say, joe, we shouldn't overlook who the home run barrage came from, which team the red sox played last night. >> exactly. >> that would be the houston astros. one wonders if perhaps they got the big trash can snuck into fenway park. >> willie, i thought i heard the

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it is 46 past the hour. turning now to the war in ukraine where the fate of those ukrainian fighters who were evacuated from that steel plant in mariupol seems to be uncertain this morning. russia's prosecutor general's office yesterday said it is asking the country's supreme court to zaire the azoz regiment a far-right ukrainian group and one of the units that was fighting inside the factory, as a terrorist organization. this, as moscow also signaled that the fighters would be interrogated for, quote, crimes committed against civilians. >> what a joke. >> over 200 were evacuated and taken to russian-health russian-held territories with the agreement they would be returned to ukrainian soil but russia's comments yesterday cast a shadow on that deal. it also raises concerns about

the future of the remaining soldiers who are still inside the sprawling complex. president volodymyr zelenskyy yesterday said his gover extracg soldiers. it's unclear how many more remain inside. joining, national security analyst for msnbc and nbc news, clint watts, what more can you tell us about that and other troop movements on the ground in ukrainy. >> yeah, mika, standard russian approach, they say one thing and do another. it's been clear they haven't been totally up front what they want to do with the remaining ukrainian soldiers. some from azov, that steel factory became the last refuge for all ukrainian forces, everybody fighting the russians. there's about 1,000 people it looks like have moved out of there. what they're fate will be is unknown. i think everyone is hoping there will be some sort of prisoner exchange with russia.

essentially sending russian soldiers back to the other direction. separately, i think there's a lot to talk about going on in the east in what is a protracted very slow battle at this point with the yoouxian military having success here. pushing a lot of forces out of kharkiv. by doing that, they've sent artillery, they can target, very precisely, at least inside of kharkiv. can they take the line down to the izyum access. the izyum access, the original second plan of the russians. remember, they first went after kyiv and failed. they now have failed really to build this out here which is to do a full development of the western part of donbas. trying to link this izyum group with donetsk. while there are russian soldiers redeploying there. they haven't been able to bring this together. what is a much smaller attack by

the russian military to chip away at the ukrainians. southern severodonetsk is this area right here, trying to bring it further together, if they can do that, they can slowly advance against the ukrainians. the problem is the soldiers are motivated and they're not particularly successful. where the russians have strength is artillery but that has changed. the ukrainian military is building up their counterfire. with the addition of western weapons coming in, this battle is going to be a hard-fought one and very slow, i think, at this point. the big question, as you zoom out and start to look to the south, the russians still hold kherson. and what it seems like they're trying to do is create sort of fake governments in these locations which would signal they might try to annex this entire land bridge down here connecting russia, mariupol, all

the way to kherson which would give them what they were initially trying to achieve here north of crimea. this is something to watch as they stay hold and try to defend over time. >> clint watts at the big board. clint, thank you very much. we want to turn now to buffalo. president biden is calling on americans to reject the lies of white supremacy in the wake of saturday's shooting. the president and first lady visited the grief-stricken community to pay respects to the ten lives lost and meet with the families. president biden forcefully an denounced the ideology believed to be the motive for saturday's attack. >> what happened here is simple and straightforward. terrorism. terrorism. domestic terrorism. violence inflicted on the service of hate. and the thirst for power.

white supremacy is a poison. it's a poison, running through -- it really is -- running through our body politic. and it's been allowed to fester and grow right in front of our eyes. no more. i mean, no more. we need to say as clearly in force as we can that the idea of ideology of white supremacy has no place in america. for power and profit. we must all enlist in this great cause of america. this is work that requires all of us. presidents, politics, commentators, citizens. none of us can stay on the sideline. >> at a white house event later in the day, president biden spoke further about the need to push back against these beliefs and promised to, quote, expose everybody responsible for spreading them. joining us now, professor of

princeton university eddie glaude jr. and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. guys, good morning to you both. eddie, we haven't talked since the shooting on saturday in buffalo that killed ten people. i just want to get your thoughts on it. thoughts what the president said, we've been here before, think about charleston and too many times. when you look at the list of victims, ruth whitfield, 86 years old. just visiting her husband in a nursing home. killed, trying to get something to eat. it's tragic, yes, it's infuriating. it's maddening. i'm curious about your thoughts. >> yeah, my first reaction is i wanted to scream. i wanted to scream out loud. i imagined my own mother going

to a supermarket and not coming home. what does it mean to live with terror. to live with the idea that someone, or the possibility that someone could identify a segregated region. remember, buffalo is one of the seventh most segregated cities in the united states. to identify that segregated region and to come in and target people. to live with terror in one's daily life. and live with the memory of terror. the combination of the two. and to live with the reality that you have forces in the country that are trying to disenfranchise, and forces to exploit hatreds and to wonder, to wonder, if the american experiment is really over, right? because there's not only buffalo. there's el paso. there's pittsburgh, there's charlottesville. we can go on and on. so, my tendency, at the moment, was a deeply pessimistic one. and then i had to find resources

in the reservoir of hope as it were. >> where did you find them? >> in the possibility that, you know, we can, in this moment of darkness, imagine a different way of being together. now president biden said something like this yesterday. right. that we have to refuse the idea of living in a country that is okay with this sort of horror. but it requires a confrontation with the truth. we can no longer tell ourselves the lie. one of the things about the american story, all too often, willie, is that it takes the shape of a fairy tale. we always have to have the good ending. we always have to aspire to more perfection. right. the more perfect union as it were. fairy tales are often for adolescents or children. we have to grow up. if we're going to finally end this. we have to grow up as a nation,

it seems to me. and i have to believe that we can. >> yeah. sometimes, those fairy tales, those -- sometimes, those things that we talk about, as a country, eddie, moving toward a more perfect union, that we hold these truths to be self-evident. that all are created equal. written by a slaveholder. those words, those aspirations, used by people like frederick douglass, to martin luther king. to barack obama. to other leaders who have moved us along. and i'm just wondering, when you look at this, i'm wondering do you look at something much like the bombing of the 16th street baptist church that actually shook people out of this

lethargy. shook people that martin luther king jr. called the moderates that shook people because people were awakened from their sleep. >> yeah, we tell the story of the 16th street baptist, we don't tell the story that birmingham exploded after that. that there was in fact a riot, quote-unquote. black folks' anger spilled over at that moment but you have to go through the fire in order to get to the other side. oftentimes, joe, part of the difficulty is we don't want to grapple with the intimacy of our hatreds, right. folks knew this boy, just like the folks knew the people who tied the rope around emmett

till's neck. these are folks okay with the fact that buffalo is segregated. people are clear with the fact that the country in its day-to-day living is deeply segregated. that we're walking mysteries to each other. that the soil that allows for this guy, this baby, this boy, this man to grow up is part of our daily lives. it seems to me. we're okay with that. then when something like that happens, suddenly we clutch our pearls and say we're not this. when in fact, our day-to-day lives suggest that we set the conditions for this kind of horror to happen. we have to refuse to live in a country not only where there's hatred that leads to this kind of mass murder. we have to finally refuse to live in a country that says that some people because of the color of their skin are valued more than others. we finally have to end this. maybe it would require, it seems to me, not only that president biden should get up and say we refuse the lie.

not only should he say we refuse to live in a country that's okay with this but maybe we should simply by way of policy stamp it out finally. general grant -- joe, you remember, general grant, the klan act of 1871. there was a decision, congress held committee hearings to expose the violence. and the klan was stamped out. and ironically, it's with eastern european immigration in the 1920s. this feeling of white america being replaced. white anglo-saxon protestants re-emerging the justification for the klan to return. we can do this, if we simply decide to do so, it seems to me. >> well, that's one of the many things that just don't add up here. if you look at many of the people that are talking about being replaced by black and brown americans, they came in immigration waves.

they came far after most black americans ancestors were forced to america. i mean, if you're an eastern european and you're saying don't replace us, you're a couple hundreds years late, buddy. if you're german-american, if you're german in your blood, if you're irish-american, you probably came here in the middle of the 1800s. you're about 200 years late. you're not being replaced by black americans. they were here first. not that they wanted to be here. not that they came here voluntarily. i thought it was interesting, mike barnicle that joe biden, he didn't -- his focus was on commentators. his focus was on politicians. you look at the manifesto of this young man. a deeply confused young man.

a man who kept trying to talk himself about doing this. then he would go back on line forchan. he would talk about wanting to kill himself, so he didn't have to kill other people. he would go back online. and a lot of the theories. replacement theories we've been talking about for the past several days. those theories, once again, stirred under a deeply disturbed young man. and so, that's why, i remember reading a "wall street journal" editorial years and years ago about talking certain people that lacked the guard rails. and we had a responsibility to mauck sure that those guard rails were built to help those who lacked the guard rails like this young man. and that's why i thought it was so important for joe biden, president of the united states, to talk about politicians and

commentators. stirring up hatred, and for power and for profit. you see, because so many of those people online, and on a powerful cable news network, they're not selling republicanism anytime. they're not selling conservatism. i know what conservatism is. i've been conservative my entire life. i've read buckley. i've read burke. i've read russell kirk. i read the "closure of the american mind." i've been through all of the conservative works and read them my entire life. and understood them. nothing conservative about this. they're not preaching conservatism. they're preaching racial hatred. and they are, despite the fact that they're trying -- they're doing the whole look over there.

look over there. they're talking about demographics. look over there. they're talking about -- they're the ones -- they're the replacement -- no, no. it's very specific what these people who are spreading hatred, these politicians and these pundits, it's very specific what they're doing. they are saying, and it's straight out replacement theory, they are saying that a jewish international banker, george soros, a jewish international banker, is declaring, and i'm using their words -- declaring demographic war on america. and trying to bring more brown and black people to america to a place like -- despite the fact again, mike, i read "time" magazine article yesterday that was written in 1990 that said thisis coming.

this is happening. this is a trend and this is what it's going to look like. this is evident for years and years the fact that you have people making millions and millions of dollars by spreading the lie that an international jewish banker is behind all of this is sick. and they're doing it for power and profit and they're responsible for this. >> you know, joe, one of the more shop-worn phrases that we've heard repeatedly over the past few days with reference to buffalo, the latest example of who we are, is the phrase "this is not who we are." that's not true. this is who we are. we are living in a country that has a virus without a vaccine. and we've been living in this country all of our lives. and it's surrounded us all of our lives. and with regard to what the president was talking about yesterday, the commentators and the politicians who speak to

this duplicitously is a license to language. when you use words in today's social media world, that license spreads. and it spreads like termites in the foundation of a house. and the house is called our democracy, our republic. and it is slowly being destroyed. right as we sit on it. it's being destroyed. and we mention it occasionally, more occasionally now, in the examples like buffalo. there will be another buffalo. and what happens with social media is the outrageous becomes normal. and our fury, our anger, our unrest, our divisions about what happened in buffalo where people shopping for groceries will kill because they were black, that's all. that's the single reason they died. their skin color.

so, we're shocked. we're upset. we're angry. we're mystified. until next weekend. >> all right. >> until a playoff game begins. until another shooting occurs. and then we'll start this all over again. i don't want whether it's beyond legislation or beyond hope. but i do know one thing, this is who we are. >> it is. and president biden, i for one was relieved that the president just went there in his comments. and you know, he talked about different ways that these ideas are spread throughout our system, for profit. and there are republican leaders as well who use these ideas in their phraseology when they're speaking. and they know who they are, elise stefanik is one of them. and they immediately start chirping no, no, you can't

politicize this. you can't politicize these murders. that would be wrong. that's not what we're talking about here, the president was trying to focus in on the root of the problem and you know what, it has invaded our politics. >> how ironic, the very people, the second there's a brown american who commits a crime, or black american who commits a crime, they put it up on the news channel. they put it up online. they actually have the strategy. and it is white panic that they feed into by doing this. i just -- willie, i do want to say, that this is -- i don't believe this is who america is. i do believe this is who a large segment of our society is. i do believe that donald trump gave a lot of people permission. in their minds. to behave the way they behaved in charlottesville. to behave the way they behaved

in pittsburgh. the way they behaved in san antonio. the way they behaved, sending the wrong messages, not understanding, again, the power of the words that lead to the guard rails being taken down that lead to the violence. i will say, i think i'm probably in the minority here, i do want to offer people hope that are watching today. i believe, i believe, just like donald trump lost in 2020, just like republicans in the house lost in 2020, just like extremists, some extremists lost yesterday in north carolina. some extremists lost yesterday in idaho. the republican primary. some extremists won in pennsylvania. i do believe that these people will lose in the fall. these extremists, like the republican gubernatorial candidate in pennsylvania. but you know, the thing is it doesn't just happen. it doesn't just happen. we can sit here and we can whine and we can talk about an america

we lost. or we can get on the phone. we can call our friends and neighbors. we can get involved. and we can find candidates we believe in, whether republicans, independents or democrats that will call this out like liz cheney called it out. like the entire democratic party called it out. we can elect those people in the fall. but it doesn't happen magically. it happens by organizing. it happens by knocking on doors. it happens by doing phone banks. it happens by driving people to the polls. there's no magic here. all right. we don't like our politics. if we don't like our voices who are being heard right now, then we organize. we vote. and we shape the future. it's up to us. >> yeah. and we saw, as you say, a mixed bag on those questions last

night but it's very telling to me, eddie, how much pause particularly republican politicians had in responding to this, how it's become hmm, what should i say about that? am i going to make some of my voters angry if i give a full-floated condemnation of the racist murder of ten people? that's a hard question to answer. the place we are in our politics. among republicans anyway, a certain segment of republicans, i need to stop what i say about the racist murder of ten shoppers. that tells a lot. >> absolutely, there are good people on both sides from charlottesville that frames everything. in some ways, it's the debate around free speech. what do we do with the first amendment if we don't allow these insidious comments as oxygen in some ways. i want to speak to joe, speaking

about his hesitancy agreeing with mike this is who we are. i would say we have to admit this is who we are as a country. i understand your impulse. i think we have to admit it, man. because i think once we admit it, even though -- that doesn't mean that we're -- it's like admitting that we're all sinners. to admit that one is a sinner doesn't mean you that condemn yourself to the gallows. it says the precondition, it's the condition for you to be otherwise. i think, joe, if we admit this is who we are, that racism, that white supremacy, that this ugliness is baked into us from the very beginning. now, we set the stage not for hope to be absolution of our sins but hope for born again. i'm using all this language -- >> well -- >> i want to say that admission

is actually at the heart of us being different because we don't want to admit it. because if we admit it, we have to admit who we actually are. we have to confront yourselves. that's what i want us to do that. what do you think. >> i think it's where we are right now. but i think maybe what you're talking about is the fundamentals that this country is built on is based on the hope to get toward a more perfect democracy. and joe doesn't give up on that hope. although i feel pretty hopeless right now. >> okay. okay, so -- >> i don't want to put words in my mouth but -- >> i agree that would be polyannish here. i will say, eddie, over 80 million people, over 80 million americans voted for joe biden. they could have voted for donald trump. they could have taken that path. they could have voted for a man who said there were good people on both sides of

charlottesville. they could have voted for a man who talked about muslim registries. they could have voted for a man who talked about muslim bans. they could have voted for a man that said to a black congresswoman who said to a muslim congresswoman who said to a hispanic congresswoman go back to where you came from. they didn't do that. 80 million americans voted for joe biden. tens of millions of americans made nancy pelosi speaker of the house. tens of millions of americans made chuck schumer the head of the senate. we're a split nation. but to say this is who we are negates all the hard work that not just 80 million americans had done, in rejecting donald trump. but i think what a lot of good americans are doing everywhere.

now, if anybody is watching me and thinking that i'm not saying that slavery is not an original sin that i'm not saying that we -- my god, we have been hypocritical as a country, and we really -- the dream that we all have of moving towards a more perfect union. the dream that we all have of having a country that jefferson told us that we could have, to be self-evident that all people were created equal, well, my god, we weren't even in that ballpark until 1965. we as a nation have made extraordinary gains since 1965. to say we haven't is ahistorical. it's call, it's misleading and i think sends the wrong message to

americans who may become hopeless and realize our republic is on the line again this fall going into elections. it's just like, eddie, it's just like, you know, teachers telling students that america is so racist that if you go back on white people in the 17th century, 18th century, 19th century were racist. well, it's just not the case. abowl listists fought hard. can i have eddie, please. can you guys put eddie back up, please, because we're talking right now. the study of abraham lincoln is fascinating because lincoln his entire life was being pulled from democrats and conservatives

to stop being a radical. he was told by abolitionists, white and black abolitionists, this man walked a path for 30 years until they won the civil war, slavely was abolished and he got assassinated three days later. his entire life. so, i understand that this is a part of who we are. it is more complicated than that. you talk about the bible. let's talk about a hymn, one of the famous hymns "just as i am and waiting not cleanse my soul of one dark blot." that's the blot that we have, that we have to rid ourselves as a nation. it is an original sin of america. of this great republic. and the problem, eddie, is that

i believe, i believe, we were moving in that direction. but over the past five years. we've had people punching. at that one dark blot. picking at it. trying to make it larger. why? for votes. for power. for money. and that is what we have to face as a country. >> so, i know mike wants to jump in here, but i just want to push back just a little bit. because i understand what you're saying when i say this is who we are, i'm not trying to deny the good -- the fight, the facts that america is a fight. that america has been more than just simply an idea. it's been an argument over who do we take ourselves to be. and there have been good forces. our good friend jon leachman talks about the battle between better and lesser angels talking about lincoln.

what do i say, the day to day lives fertilize the soil that produces ugliness. you know as well as i do we live in segregated america. the built-in environment reflects who we are. you know as well as i do about the school systems. health care systems. we know watching the footage of the police arresting that young man and seeing that he didn't have a bruise on him. and we think about that old 75-year-old woman who was having a mental health episode in new mexico. she couldn't speak english, her kids called the police. she's said. we saw a man on the ground hands up, they shot him on the ground. we know in this society, day to day, the way we raise our lives, race with the advantage and disadvantage. to admit that, not to say the totality of who we are is by definition evil and bad.

i'm just trying to say this is the ground for us to imagine ourselves otherwise. if we don't admit it and we can't do what the second chapter of revelations ought to do, to do it over. i know you want to say something, mike. >> joe has something. >> i just want to say finishing with eddie and going to you, mike. yes, this is a part of who we are. this is an ongoing challenge that we have. but we have to stay hopeful as a nation. and what i always talk about, what i talk about whether we're talking about politics, or whether we're talking about the war, we always have to put things in context and keep it in context. because if you don't keep things in context, and you're beginning to become too overconfident after victory. or you can become too discouraged, during dark terrible times like this. and putting things in context, we have to remember that we as a

country, on the issue of race, have made remarkable progress over the past 50 years. you know, jon leache votes exactly talking about the arof civilization, bending towards justice. i believe since 1965, i know the evidence is all there. we've been moving in that direction. we have a long, long way to go. unfortunately, mike barnicle, over the past five years to say we've taken a detour -- >> yeah. if you're black or a woman, you're pretty discouraged. >> well, if you're -- if you're black, if you're brown, if you're hispanic, if you're muslim, yes, you're discouraged. >> also abortion rights. >> and also, if you're white and you love this country and you believe in this country. and you're proud to be an american, you're also very

discouraged about what's happened over the past five years. but i hope, i home, you're determined to join in the political fight to change things. to make things better to keep us moving, mike, in the right direction. >> well, that's the fight to have, too. the political fight. you know, when we say this is who we are, it doesn't mean that we have no hope. we always have hope as americans. this is the greatest country that god ever created. and has done more good in the world than all of the other nations combined. so, i have hope and i'm sure eddie has hope. and most people watching today have hope. hope that their children will do better in this country than they have done. they still retain that hope. but the language that's employed these days. the niagara of language on cable shows, on social media, there's a license to that language.

and that's part of the problem that we're dealing with as a culture. i mean, there's an assumed permission for some people, when they hear others, public people, talking about things that are local, again, destroying this country. the hatred. the replacement theory talk. they assume they have the permission to talk about it themselves, at work, or amongst themselves. and it grows. and to willie's very important point about the republican members of congress who stand mute when asked of what would happen in buffalo, stand mute, don't say flat-out wrong, murder. white terrorism. white supremacy. they never use those phrases. they say very little, if nothing. that is a real part of the problem. now, i don't even want to mention the guy's name, the former guy who was in the oval office for four years. but this country at some point

is going to have to deal with the damage that he has done to this country. to our institutions. to our language, to the language we have to employee describing things. the combination of that language and that political cowardice and money pouring into this country to keep these people alive has resulted in my estimation, probably wrong, we have more than 50% of members of congress, the house and senate, who, guess what -- they don't think about the country. they think about their own re-elections first. they are their own priority. not us. >> the other piece of this that has to be in the conversation that was different a generation is social media and the internet. this kid was sitting home during the pandemic, radicalized this hatred that may have been there for him. he was given community by what he was reading online saying yes, the ideas you have are

legitimate. then he was able at 18 to go out and buy a high-powered semi-automatic rifle to kill those people in a store. jonathan lemire you were on a trip with the president in buffalo yesterday. he said we need to fight like hell and expose everybody. what did he mean by that? how does he go about that doing that, how does he do that? >> well, a powerful message from the president condemning in broad strokes, public figures spouting this racist ideology. we asked him on the tarmac outside of air force one if he would name names, congresswoman elise stefanik, and fox news tucker carlson. and he designed. that's a deliberate decision by the white house, they don't want to elevate by name, some of the people saying these things that investigators believer fueled this massacre over the weekend. our friend reverend al sharpton said he wishes the president had

it. loses some power. he doesn't call them out by name because of public platforms that they have. i will say this visit to buffalo showcased one of this president's greatest strengths. of course, the ability to show empathy. at this moment, he walked over, first lady biden placed flowers outside of the makeshift memorial. the president did the sign of the cross. they said a silent prayer. he spoke movingly to the families of the victims. a few of the survivors at the event. but it also showcased the limit of his power. as he railed again, he called for congress to do something about these weapons of war, in his words that our nation is awash with. and yet he told us, he knows it will be very difficult. he didn't have much expectations to anything meaningful could get done. they're looking at some executive orders around the edges, but he feels like republicans, the same

republicans not decrying the racist ideologies are the same ones blocking the efforts to take the guns out of hands. >> it's amazing republicans didn't condemn, there weren't many of them, for some there was a yes, but, look at what democrats have done. look at this incident. can you imagine, a generation ago, you're a conventional george w. bush republican from back in the day, what president bush would have said, what a leader of a republican party 15 years ago would have said. this is not a hard question. ten people shopping for groceries, our fellow americans, were murdered in the aisles of the supermarket. how is there any but that far, after that, when you condemn it? >> i mean, i can't help but think if this had been a terrorist of middle eastern descent going into an american supermarket and mowing down incident grandmothers that we

would already rained down so many bombs on what nation that terrorist was born in. i'm not saying we need to go bombing around indiscriminately, but we need to look at this extremism with the same seriousness as we would if this was an outside attacker. if this was an outside attack. and i don't want a domestic war on terror but we have to take this seriously. i don't want grandmothers having to worry about getting shot at the supermarket. or at church or sunday school. or children at school. and the mental health element is also a big part of this with guns and who we allow to have guns. you can't drive a car. you can't operate a motorcycle with certain medical conditions. you shouldn't be able to possess a gun if you have a mental illness that impairs your judgment. end of story.

that's something that we should be in bipartisan agreement about. >> and, mika, this shooter, this alleged shooter did not meet the standard for new york's red flag law. >> yeah. >> in hindsight, you read the manifesto, all the signs were there. in fact, if it was him writing the manifesto, he even writes that his parents had no idea what was going on in his room. that his parents didn't know he purchased the weapons and that he bought body armor. and he writes about keeping that from his parents. >> well, this has been an incredible conversation which we'll be coming back to you. we want to turn back to yesterday's high-profile primary races, donald trump-backed candidate doug mastriano who pass pushed false claims that the 2020 election was stolen secured republican nomination for governor. the state's republican senate primary remains too close to call. trump backed dr. mehmet oz and

former hedge fund manager david mccormick are neck and neck with 2600 votes separating them. on the senate side, democrat john fetterman won the nomination just days after suffering the stroke. in fact, it was his wife who was center stage last night to accept the nomination as he recovers in a pennsylvania hospital. >> you may have noticed i am not john fetterman. the next senator of our great state. as i'm sure most of you know, john had a little hiccup on friday while we were on the road campaigning. thank god he's on his way to recovering to a full recovery. like so many others i found the american dream and made my life here in western pennsylvania. i found love, a wonderful family and a place i'm proud to raise my children. john and i want to make sure that everyone in pennsylvania can find the american dream

here, too. >> and pennsylvania's second lady, gisele fetterman joins us now. congratulations. seamlessly stepping in last night. how is your husband doing this morning? >> got to get some audio. >> he's doing well. surgery -- >> there we go. >> okay. i'm sorry. we had trouble hearing you. so, again, how is your husband feeling? >> he's feeling great. he wants to get out, i'm not letting him. but the surgery went great. and he's well on his way to upholding the country. >> you had a big campaign. it was pretty seamless as i said last night, seeing you on stage. the two of you quite a team. but tell us, though, what does

his road to recovery looking like? because i know a little bit about having a pacemaker put in. i mean, this wasn't a routine just let's walk out of the hospital surgery. everything is fine. how long will it take for him to really be able to get back on the road? >> well, i'm waiting for the doctors to say exactly. maybe a week or two, we're waiting for the numbers. a pacemaker is actually a pretty standard procedure. a million folks each year get one added. it will make sure that his heart has a good long strong life. sir elton john has one. and you've seen him performing on stage. it takes nothing away from quality of life and what he can do. >> how hard was it getting him off the campaign trail? it had to be awfully difficult talking a few days after the election, honey, honey, you're going to slow down. >> it was tough.

there were a few cuss words in between the honeys, we were able to get in there. >> i'm sure there were. so, tell me, politically, what's the biggest difference between your husband and the republicans, whoever it is, the republicans that he's going to face in the general election? >> i mean, i think it's night and day. it's going to be the difference between being able to codify roe v. wade. or work to raise the minimum wage. or address climate issues. it really is two different sides of the coin. >> and president biden, i think, he backed the other candidate. but at the same time, there's a lot of alignment with the democratic agenda. what do you think the biggest challenge will be in this campaign to those, especially who say your husband is too

progressive? >> well, biden actually didn't endorse. someone can say he ran on issues that maybe were progressive ten years ago when he first started talking about them. but since then, the democratic party has caught up to his thinking so i would say he's been moving the needle for a long time. and everyone else caught up now. >> gisele, good morning, it's willie geist. i'm curious, you had that conversation with your husband about getting off the campaign trail it was a tough one. what were some of the signs that told you he needs to slow down to get it checked out? >> thank you for asking. it's my first experience in a stroke. what to experience was shocking. with him, it was one second, one second only, his mouth went down and went up. it was so slight that someone else would not have noticed if i

was looking away or down at my phone i would have missed it. but my gut in that moment realized something was wrong and immediately rush him to the hospital. >> good for you for insisting. we're so glad to hear he's recovering. i've got to ask you, too close to call over on the republican side. we may not know for a few days who wins the republican nomination, who the opponent will be for your husband. are you rooting for one of the two, david mccormick or dr. oz? >> no, not really. i mean, we're going to run the same race even in the primary when it's the general, still getting out, meeting folks everywhere across the state. making it to every county. whoever it is, i look forward to facing them. >> pennsylvania's second lady gisele fetterman, thank you very much. congratulations to you and your husband. >> congratulations and best wishes to him and you out on the campaign trail. >> thank you so much. have a great day. >> all right. thank you.

>> you, too. you know, willie, just talking about this race, fetterman really, again, you see him campaigning around. he does not look like every other politician, in fact, he doesn't look like any other politician. i mean, he relates ordinarily well to the people of pennsylvania. and you look on the republican side, and i'll just say, i want to circle back to it. dave mccormick. i'm very surprised that mccormick, a guy considered an establishment republican. a guy that ran a huge hedge fund. a guy who has the sort of resume that republicans would have loved years ago. i fully expected him to do well in the suburbs. to do well in cities. and just get like dolan did in ohio. and then get wiped out in rural communities. simply because trump just bashed the hell out of him, the last

week or so of the campaign. but you look at the map that kornacki showed, and he did -- he did extremely well, especially in western pennsylvania, which is absolutely necessary for any republican, if they want to beat democrats in the state of pennsylvania. it does say, they didn't say so, but i'm sure that fetterman's campaign would much rather face dr. oz. >> yes. >> who i think can be picked apart really easily. and dave mccormick showed surprising strength. you look at that map, mccormick does extremely well in rural pennsylvania. guys that look like him. guys that talk like him, guys with his sort of background, they aren't doing well in rural pennsylvania in 2022 republican primaries. >> no, gisele fetterman wasn't going to pick one there, there's no question that democrats would

much, much run against dr. oz, he became a totally different person when he bought the house in pennsylvania, hugged donald trump close. and you see the ads that run against him where he's had different positions on abortion rights, guns, everything else. running on his fame and running on the fact that he's hugged donald trump very closely. it will be interesting to see when the mail-in vote comes in, mike barnicle, if david mccormick flips this. he is as joe said a mainstream republican, ran a big hedge fund. military veteran. he called a dark chapter in american history assigned a bit of the blame to donald trump. as the primary went along, he said yes, i support america and the first amend and we can't completely blame donald trump, he tried to get his endorsement, which he didn't, but there's no question he's a tougher opponent for fetterman. >> absolutely, he spent a lot of

money on media because he has money. he spent a lot of time in rural pennsylvania, central pennsylvania. he's a veteran, he's articulate. he's not standoffish. he is who he is, she's the same guy he was 20 years ago with a lot more money today, obviously but there's no doubt that the democrats would be better off facing dr. oz. still ahead on "morning joe," the united nations is voicing concern about the risk of growing hunger due to the ongoing war in ukraine. what leaders are doing today to address the issue. plus, we'll be joined by one senior u.s. diplomat warning about moscow forcefully deporting tens of ukrainians to russia. also, the new effort on capitol hill to address the nationwide baby formula shortage. and the justice department appears to be looking for help from law enforcements as part of

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well, another beautiful day in washington. 40 past the hour. a like look at the white house. secretary of state antony blinken will be in new york today to lead u.n. meetings on global food insecurity. unicef said the global food crisis has been made worse by russia's war on ukraine. because ukraine is a major exporter of wheat to africa and the middle east. the agency says the war is creating a virtual tinderbox for catastrophic levels of severe malnutrition of children. the u.s. ambassador to the u.n. linda thomas-greenfield writes this is a crisis for the whole

world so it belongs to the u.n. we have a responsibility to the millions who are worried about where they'll find their next meal. or how they'll feed their families. joining us now is u.s. ambassador michael carpenter. he serves as the permanent representative of the united states, the organization for security and cooperation in europe. ambassador -- mr. ambassador, it's good to have you on. how to solve this potential crisis, given the war in ukraine, from every expert analysis it appears that it's going to be dragging on for quite some time. >> yeah. well, this is a very severe problem, as you just identified for the entire world community. because ukraine is the bread basket for a lot of developing world. not just wheat. it's the number one exporter of sunflower oil. and many other staples that we and countries around the world. and russia right now is blockading the ukrainian ports

to the black sea and the sea of azov, and it's targeting the infrastructure, the grain silos and lot of storage where the grain is being kept and preventing it from ending up to the markets where it can go to the dinner table. we don't see any solution. although we're working behind the scenes to try to secure alternate routes for ukrainian food stuffs. >> and there's so many remaining parts to the war. the remaining refugees moving to other country. and then the dynamics of the war itself. what do you make of the reports that ukrainians may be forcefully moved into russia? what are we talking about here? >> yeah. so, we have credible evidence that thousands of people have been moved into these so-called filtration camps. i never in my wildest dreams

still thought i would be talking in 2022 about filtration camps where ukrainians are brought in. they're strip-searched. their phones are taken away. they're coerced into providing their passwords. they're questions. they're often humiliated. and those that quote-unquote pass. and oftentimes, according to eyewitness reports that we've received, forcibly deported to russia. others who don't pass quote-unquote disappear so they go missing. and, frankly, we don't know what has happened to a lot of these people who pass new the filtration camps. it's abominable practice. a war crime if proven true. and yet, we see more and more reports coming out of the regions of ukraine that russia controls. >> good morning, mr. ambassador, it's jonathan lemire. i wanted to pick up right there on that idea of war crimes.

we have one russian soldier now whose trial has begun. the kremlin says they don't know anything about it. but there's going to be, we know documented atrocities in places like bucha and other places in ukraine. give us some expectations here on what we can expect in terms of trials for war crimes, russian soldiers, russian leaders, russian political figures. what is this going to look like tell the world watching with horror of crimes being committed? >> yeah, there is overwhelming evidence that war crimes have been committed by russians in ukraine. that is indisputable. experts would say crimes against humanity have been committed. that's a matter of establishing systematic pattern of abuse. so, the lawyers will work on that in the coming weeks and months. but what needs to happen there has to be a credible accountability mechanism of individuals who perpetrate these crimes. but also the entire chain of command that you just alluded

to. going all the way up to the top if necessary is also held accountable. so the u.s. is working with different players in the sphere to include the icc, and the icj, the u.n. has a commission of inquiry up and running here at the osce, we have a document of evidence that is trying to preserve it so that faces would be brought. but some folks question whether these folks will ever be brought to trial. but it depends on the political context and what happens in russia. and i wouldn't say that it's, you know, easy to predict at this point in time that either will or will not happen. but i think we need to exhaust every avenue and seek accountability and hope that one day it will happen. >> do you think that sweden and finland and their effort to join nato will impact this and push it in a positive direction for accountability? >> well, i don't know what it will do for accountability, but i do think that the fact that

sweden and finland have now formally applied for nato membership, this imposes another cost, if you will, on vladimir putin. who clearly went into this war thinking that he could get away with this with some marginal increase in sanctions. and that western unity would quickly dissipate. instead, he's got finland and sweden joining nato. he's got the u.s. boarding the eastern flank with thousands of additional rooms in romania and baltic states. and he's got sanctions and export controls that are starving his industrial military complex of the inputs that he needs to be able to produce weapons and other equipment into the future. so, he's really got a lot more than i think he bargained for at the start of this war. >> ambassador michael carpenter, the permanent representative of the united states, the organization for security and cooperation in europe. thank you very much. for your insight this morning. >> my pleasure. >> willie. mika, we're just getting breaking news.

u.s. soccer, u.s. men's national team, u.s.women's national team have come together to agree to a collective bargaining agreement that will agree to true equal pay. the u.s. women's organization has been fighting for this for years, if not for decades. >> yes, they have. >> their the star of the world cups and medals now they will be paid just as men. good news there. let's turn to eurasia group ian bremmer, out with a new book titled "the power of crisis."ian, good to see you. let's lay out the three threats. and solutions. let's begin with the health crisis with us for the last two year, the long lasting implications are what? >> first, i want to say this morning when we have a pretty serious and really depressing

set of topics that we're dealing with, this is a surprisingly hopeful book. what i'm really talking about the fact that even though the united states feels so much more divided and divisive, even though the most important geopolitical relationship in the world u.s. and china is completely without trust and getting worse, the purpose of the book is to say we can respond effectively to the crisis we have. we're not going to fix those things tomorrow but still we see when big crisis hit we see effective responses. the biggest head line from the geopolitical world was that finland and sweden put their applications into nato. that was the same nato that was obsolete and brain-dead according to trump. putin thought we couldn't respond and yet we could. that's the backdrop for the question how do you deal with global pandemic. how do you deal with global climate change and global disinformation. that's what the book is about.

>> let's talk about, it's been a mixed bag in terms to the response to the international pandemic that we've all lived under for the last couple of years. what's the good and bad there? >> yeah. i'll start with the good. on balance, the pandemic has been more bad than good. the good is that you saw that europe actually came out of the pandemic politically stronger than they went in. on the back of brexit, on the back of the eurozone crisis, they sort of recognized they needed a marshall plan to actually redistribute wealth from the poor -- from the rich countries like germany and denmark and the netherlandss to the poor ones. coming out of europe today you have less euro skepticism and more support in the eu because they handled the pandemic together. that's surprising given what brexit had done to the eu, the way people thought that this massive institution was going to rerode. in the united states and china we come out of the pandemic more

divided and more divisive. it got politicized in the u.s. basically after the first months when we stopped panicking or when some of the country stopped panicking, it became deeply politicized. in china the same thing is true. the biggest problem with the pandemic today is the fact that the chinese refuse to accept the single biggest surplus commodity we have in the world today, you heard how we have all the food problems, fertilizer, energy problems, we're awash in mrna vaccines and the chinese refuse to accept them because they are angry about the way the west has not responded to the pandemic the way the chinese has. >> climate change is the next one. it's been on the radar for many years. for a younger generation, it is urgent. how do we make it that way for the rest of the world? >> climate change for me is actually one of the best stories out there in terms of global response, and it wasn't 20 years ago, 10 years ago. i have to start with the fact that unlike the pandemic, the world today agrees on what the problem of climate change is.

the world does. it's not about disinformation. 195 countries have come together and said yeah, it's -- this is humankind that's dumping carbon in the atmosphere. yeah, we've got 1.2 degrees of century grade warming already and if we don't respond in the following ways it's going to get worse. identifying and sharing the problem -- by the way, it's the way the west feels about russia and ukraine no pro-putin sentiment in nato right now. it makes it easier to respond. and even though washington isn't leading the charge on decarbonization, even though beijing isn't, you see that mayors and governors and banks and corporations actually are. they're investing so much in post-carbon energy development you have it at scale. the same people in the united states that were skeptical 1020, years ago, say if we don't invest strategically, the chinese are going to be dominating in solar and electric vehicles and the supply chain. we better win as the united

states. it's a virtuous competition, but it, nonetheless, is throwing us in the right direction. i'm not suggesting that we should stop talking about climate because the difference between 1.5 and 2.5 degrees of warming is a matter of trillions of dollars and hundreds of millions of lives, and that's why the secretary general and john kerry and others will keep banging that drum, they should, but the reality is that humanity is now pointed in the right direction in a way that 10 years ago we were pointed in the wrong direction. russia gives us those lessons, climate change gives us those lessons. >> you said something that was interesting just then. you said that china, that rivalry is actually helping the world prepare to combat climate change, so that's a positive rivalry in that sense. but in your book, you say that the tensions between the u.s. and china, that that really is a potentially looming long-term threat. >> yeah. >> can you talk about has it possibly been reset a little bit, the relationship?

does putin's war of aggression in ukraine present an opportunity to reset the relationship? >> that's a great question. you remember february 24th, the invasion started. february 26th, my book had to be in, so the amount of work on russia was intense the last couple days. february 4th, was when putin went to beijing and they announced their friendship without limits. well, a couple months later, if you take an honest look, it's also a friendship without many benefits. right? i mean the chinese aren't ramping up their trade and investment into russia. the chinese aren't sending weapons and support to russia. we told them don't you dare or we'll hit you with sanctions. the chinese complained about that, but they understand that russia's one tenth the size of the chinese economy. they do a hell of a lot more business with the americans and europeans and they don't want to risk that. xi jinping has had private conversations in the last week with macron with france and schultz from germany and he's saying don't paint us with the same brush as the russians. we want self-determination in

ukraine, territorial integrity and a cease fire. i'm not saying we should suddenly trust the chinese, absolutely not. i'm saying the chinese are learning lessons from the fact that the west has come together in response to this invasion of ukraine. they're recognizing that the russian military performance has met very stiff resistance from the ukrainians and from nato, and that really matters. yeah, i wouldn't yet quite say that i see a breakthrough with the chinese, but i think that they are in a much more cautious position today than they were three months ago and i think that is something that should absolutely be leveraged, be leaned into, by those of us sitting around this table that don't want to see a cold war with china because it would be immensely damaging for the global economy. >> so you've talked about the global health emergency, climate change, i'm reading reports about birds flying -- dropping out of the air in india after 115 degree, 120 degree weather.

but now you have the other point is the next technological revolution. what is that about, that third crisis? >> that's the rise in proliferation of disruptive technologies. when you and i were coming of age going to school, right, we were most concerned in this aspect about nuclear weapons. actually, 80 years later the world has done a really good job in coming together and saying we can't allow proliferation of nuclear weapons to all of these rogue states or terrorist organizations because it will be the end of us. well, we now have emerging a number of other disruptive technologies that really threaten our children, threaten our economies, our society, maybe threaten our existence on this planet. i'm talking about things like cyber weapons, lethal autonomous drones, bioweapons. i'm also talking about, you know, artificial intelligence and the algorithms being pumped into the planet without having any idea of what they do and the impact they have on society. it's much harder to contain those. if you don't start that conversation, if you don't

define the problem -- climate change, you have the intergovernmental panel for climate change. all these countries come together and agree on what problem is. to start, you have to have an intergovernmental panel on artificial intelligence. let's identify what challenges are. we know where we don't want the chinese to invest in the u.s. because of security concerns. what are the areas of technology we need to prevent from proliferating. they exist. we have to have those conversations with our friends in asia and europe and the chinese as well. this is the most challenging of the crises to actually solve, but also the most essential. >> theme in finding hope in these times of crisis. the power of crisis, how three threats and our response will change the world. ian, congrats on the book and thanks for being here this morning. coming up next, the republican primary race for the united states senate in pennsylvania, still too close to call this morning and could be headed for a recount. we'll get a live report from

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before the invasion putin said that any of russia's neighbors joining nato would be a red line for the country, but yesterday, putin said sweden and finland joining nato would cause no problems. apparently russia is switching military tactics from naked aggression to passive aggression. because no problem, never means

no problem. >> top of the hour. vladimir putin's war in ukraine backfires as nato is set to expand with new applications from sweden and finland. we will be joined in a few moments by sweden's ambassador to the united states. also ahead, congressman anthony brown joins us to talk about how lawmakers should respond to the tragedy in buffalo over the weekend. he says the two biggest factors that led to the violence are two of america's long-standing sins, white supremacy and readily available assault weapons. we'll go live to pennsylvania in just a moment for the latest in yesterday's still too close to call primary. but first, another big story we're following this morning, the justice department appears to be widening its investigation into the january 6th capitol attack. we've learned doj officials have asked lawmakers on the house select committee for transcripts

of interviews the panel has conducted as part of its probe. joining us congressional investigation reporter for the "washington post," jackie almainy and legal analyst daniel goldman. we'll dig into this with jackie, but daniel, first, what does this mean overall that they're asking for transcripts? what does it tell you bottom line? >> well at the outset it's confirmation that department of justice has expanded its investigation from the events of january 6th back to the election, and is looking at a broader code of -- pattern of conduct that could include a conspiracy to defraud the election, the effort to overturn the election is in the cross hairs of the department of justice. so this is really the first confirmation we've gotten of this broad scope of this investigation because they're asking for all of the transcripts that the january 6th

committee has -- from the interviews that they've taken. it's a very significant confirmation. the concern i think that the department of justice has in reading the tea leaves a little bit, is this letter was written a month ago and we just heard word yesterday from the chair of the committee, benny thompson, that there's been very little coordination and that the department of justice has not only not received the transcripts, but has not even gotten access to the transcripts a month later. it may be because the committee wants to keep them closely held before their hearings in june, but ultimately, it shows that there's really a lack of coordination and a lack of cooperation between the department of justice and the january 6th committee. >> dan, the department of justice has been meticulously going after the people who breached the capitol, attacked the capitol on january 6th. but what does this request tell you about whether they may be

looking at some of the politicians, people who were inside the building who may have helped to coordinate it or participated day of or in the days after to flip this election? does this give you any insight into that? >> yeah, it does because clearly they want all of the transcripts. we know that january 6th committee has looked at much more than the events of january 6th. in many ways to this point, the mandate has been flipped. the january 6th committee, which was intended to focus on the events of january 6th, has been looking at everything, has been looking at the fake lectors, the effort to overturn the election, while the department of justice has looked very narrowly at the events of january 6th. but this is significant because it shows that they are, as they said they would do, following the facts and the evidence, wherever they lead. what is clear, as we've seen in public reporting, the facts and evidence do lead way beyond and

preceding january 6th, into this effort to overturn the election and the department of justice is sort of catching up now to the january 6th committee and really focusing on that. we know from public reporting that that includes mark meadows, that includes donald trump's efforts to convince broad raffensperger to find the votes, to convince the department of justice to just announce that the election was corrupt and then he and the republican congressman will take care of the rest. there's a lot we know, and now this is confirmation that department of justice is looking at all of that. >> yeah. so jackie, i wonder what you think of all of this? obviously hundreds of people have been charged in the january 6th attack on the capitol. does this indicate it's going higher up in the food chain? >> yeah, mika, that's a really good question. i think daniel is right in that it does reflect that the doj is expanding their investigation as they've said that they would all

along and they sort of incrementally have. earlier in march we reported they had expanded the investigation to subpoenaing allies of the former president who were directly involved with the rally planning on the actual events of january 6th. potentially moving closer and closer towards former president trump. but i also think that this also reflects just the natural trajectory of what these parallel investigations would look like, the congressional inquiries winding down as investigators are wrapping up their depositions and interviews and preparing for the june hearings, and prosecutors want to review the committee's key evidence. at the end of the day, though, i think we need to point out the justice department and the fbi do have a host of investigative tools and techniques that congress does not have readily available. yes, they have subpoenaed a number of most recently

lawmakers and former confidants of former president trump, but that has reached a bit of a limit here as they've been waiting on the justice department to hold some of those individuals in criminal content, although the committee has recently expressed frustrations for attorney general merrick garland's lack of action on those contempt referrals. >> all right. jackie and daniel, thank you both very much for your reporting and analysis on this. we need to move to last night's elections. the match-ups for several high-profile midterm races are beginning to take shape. nbc news chief white house correspondent peter alexander is breaking down some of the key results. >> reporter: in pennsylvania, a state that could determine control of the senate this fall, trump-backed doctor turned celebrity talk show host mehmet oz running neck and neck for the republican primary with former hedge fund ceo david mccormick. >> when all the votes are tallied i am confident we will

win. >> we can see victory ahead. >> reporter: mr. trump praised oz on the campaign trail. >> dr. oz has led an enormously successful career on television and now he's running to save our country. >> reporter: falling short, conservative commentator kathy barnette who tweeted anti-muslim and anti-gay comments. barnett hoped to capitalize on a surge in the polls after sharing her anti-abortion message, telling the story of how her mother gave birth to her after being raped as a child. though, she didn't win, barnett tried to adopt the maga mantle and likely shaved votes away from oz. the victor will face off against the state's lieutenant governor progressive democrat john fetterman who won his race decisively, despite suffering a minor stroke last week. fetterman casting his ballot from the hospital just hours before surgery to implant a pacemaker. later tweeting, he's on track for a full recovery. in the race for pennsylvania governor, a trump favorite won the republican nomination, far

right state senator doug mastriano enthusiastically promoted the lie that widespread election fraud led to the former president's 2020 defeat. he also marched on the capitol on january 6th, though mastriano says he never broke the law. and in one of the night's most closely watched races north carolina republicans rejected scandal plagued congressman madison cawthorn's bid for a second term despite a trump endorsement. >> no matter what you are facing when donald trump has your back, he has your back to the end and that is why. >> reporter: the 26-year-old was unable to overcome a cascade of controversies including driving with a revoked license, bringing a loaded gun to an airport and appearing in several sexually suggestive videos and photos. >> that was nbc's peter alexander. from philadelphia, nbc news correspondent vaughn hill yard. a bit of a mixed bag in pennsylvania for the former president, and also, it's back to the future. here we are sitting around,

we're going to be waiting a little while to see who wins a statewide pennsylvania race. >> yeah. we're talking about a margin of about 2500 votes, and, you know, we got 10,000 to 30,000 ballots that are outstanding here. i think it's important that we look big picture at this joe and mika. when we look at north carolina and pennsylvania, who are the senators that are being replaced here? we're talking about senator richard burr and senator pat toomey. i don't think anybody would usually have called these individuals centrists or moderates, but what did those two senators do in 2021? they voted to convict former president trump following the january 6th insurrection here. so now in north carolina, you've got ted, the trump-backed endorsed candidate who is going to be the republican nominee for the u.s. senate seat to replace burr. here in pennsylvania, you have mccormick and oz neck and neck here. there is a reality at play. last night, in his brief remarks

on stage, he thanked not only his family, but the two other individuals who mehmet oz thanked were former president trump and sean hannity calling him a good friend who is giving him good advice behind the scenes here. that is the individual that could be replacing pat toomey in the u.s. senate. i think it's important when we talk about cathy barnett too, we were talking about this yesterday morning, the impact she would potentially have in this race and i was talking to one of her senior advisors last night that they believe they took a significant portion of mehmet oz's vote out in the greater suburbs around the philadelphia area. you look at montgomery county where cathy barnett is from, the neighboring county to bucks county n montgomery county she is up in montgomery county. that is where mehmet oz actually held the final campaign rally on monday night, a one in which the former president trump called in by speaker phone into and hoping to make the significant gains.

what does that tell us? it tells us, number one, that mehmet oz and the donald trump endorsement, still means something to at least a part of the electorate, but there's also an openness to the kathy barnette type candidates. we're seeing the potential that barn keith play spoiler if mccormick were to come and eclipse mehmet oz here, potentially in this situation here, she may have diluted the vote enough to give mccormick the chance to take over this and win this ultimately. >> so interesting and what they'll be counting in the coming days, joe, mail-in ballots which donald trump was against them. >> yeah. some of those are counting. we've gone to the big board a couple times here. they can't figure out exactly where all the votes are coming from, but vaughn, let's go down, again, the list of races, not only this week, but in the past couple weeks. you lad, of course, donald

trump's j.d. vance doing well in ohio, you had the ricketts coming together, the governor, and that organization running over donald trump in nebraska. in idaho last night, you had a very trumpist lieutenant governor who many people thought might win, get defeated, so another person trump endorsed got defeated. quite a few right wing, far right candidates lost in idaho last night. as you said on the highest profile races madison cawthorn, donald trump stayed with him the whole way, and he lost last night. in pennsylvania it's telling, and yes there was a split in the vote, no doubt about it, barnett and oz, at the same time two out of three republicans in pennsylvania voted against donald trump's endorsed candidate. i just don't think that would have happened two or three years ago. >> no. and i think that if mccormick is able to pull this off, it's an opening for others in the republican party.

look, ted cruz was on the campaign trail with david mccormick out here. mike pompeo endorsed david mccormick here. if you look ahead towards next week in georgia and david perdue loses by a significant margin to incumbent governor brian kemp, you know, there's going to be heads that begin to turn here and a realization that donald trump's word is not final. of course, the former president, you know, he believes every horse he picked was going to win here, but clearly there are republican voters who are willing to draw a line in the sand. whether that is madison cawthorn and his litany of controversial statements in past situations he has put himself into, or whether it is the endorsement of a nebraska gubernatorial candidate, accused credibly by eight women of groping, or a lieutenant governor running for governor in idaho who spoke at a white nationalist conference, the republican party's voters clearly are not willing to cross some lines.

whether that ultimately extends to donald trump, i think that's a big question that a lot of folks will be facing come 2024 here. for now, i think it is worth noting, though, that his stable of loyalists, you know, every few weeks here, does continue to grow, despite these losses. j.d. vance, alex mooney, congressman in west virginia, you know, if mehmet oz pulls this off, you're talking about somebody here who could potentially object to election results in 2024. last night, you guys, is these governor races here. doug mastriano endorsed just last weekend, is -- i mean, could be the front man of the efforts to not certify professional 2024 election results. we've talked to the leading gop candidates in arizona, michigan and wisconsin for governor, who all could put the 2024 election on the line if they were to, like doug mastriano has suggested he would do, would fail to certify the election results if donald trump were to run and were to lose in these

key swing states. >> nbc's vaughn hillhard, thank you for bringing it down for us. coming up in our fourth hour of "morning joe," steve kornacki joins us from the big board and he will be raging at this point. he's still awake. it's going to take a deeper dive into last night's primary results. willie? >> let's get to the latest out of buffalo, the fbi and local law enforcement continue to investigate the gunman who killed ten people there over the weekend. the president and first lady made a somber trip to the grief-stricken community yesterday and called on americans to condemn racial hatred. nbc news correspondent emilie ikeda has more from buffalo. >> reporter: president biden condemning hate in buffalo. >> white supremacy is a poison. it's been allowed to fester and grow right in front of our eyes. >> reporter: with the first lady by his side, the president visited a memorial near the grocery store where ten people were killed, in what they called a racist rampage. president biden emotional while

reading the names of each victim. >> mcneil, 53, worked at a restaurant, went to buy his 3-year-old son a birthday cake. his son celebrating a birthday asking where is daddy? >> reporter: this morning investigators combing through the 18-year-old suspect's extensive internet history, including a 180-page manifesto referencing other mass shooters and a series of online rants reviewed by nbc news on the chat forum discord which appeared to be written by the gunman. in those he describes mapping out the store's aisles ahead of the attack and also indicates he considered a school and churches as additional targets because he thought they would have large numbers of black people. a year ago, the buffalo shooting suspect underwent a mental health evaluation after he allegedly made disturbing comments regarding murder and

suicide at his high school. the district attorney in broom county now saying school officials and the police followed the procedures and protocols that were in place at that time. president biden also called for stricter gun control laws, while some in buffalo are skeptical that change will come, others like wayne jones who lost his mother, reassured by the president's presence. was there anything that the president said that really resonated with you? >> i see you got a lot of family, wayne, let's make it through this. your family, hold on tight to your family. >> emilie ikeda reporting from buffalo. joining us democratic congressman anthony brown of maryland, a member of the house armed services committee and a combat veteran. retired colonel in the united states army reserve. congressman, good morning. we appreciate you being on this morning. you've introduced legislation before the attack in buffalo actually to raise the age to buy a semiautomatic rifle from 18 to 21. 18 is the age in this country. you have to be 21 to buy a

handgun. first of all let's start with the existing law. why is there a difference in the ages between a handgun and a semiautomatic rifle? >> first of all, willie, thanks for having me on. i don't know why there's a difference, but if you're going to buy a handgun from a federally registered dealer you have to be 21. but that's not the case for a semiautomatic assault weapon. now some states like maryland do have that restriction. california has it. it's being challenged in the court. i offered that bill, it was bipartisan, to raise the age to 21. let me be clear, that's a half measure. what we really need is to reinstate the federal ban on semiautomatic assault weapons. that happened in the 1990s. it was in the aftermath of a series of mass shootings in california. if congress could do it then, congress needs to do that today, particularly given the number of mass shootings we have seen and buffalo being the most recent and most tragic. >> yeah.

the shooter in buffalo, the alleged shooter, who killed ten people buying groceries in a retired buffalo police officer inside a supermarket legally purchased at 18 years of age, walked in, got an instant background check, a bushmaster xm-15 semiautomatic rifle, you say it's bipartisan legislation. why has it been so difficult to lift the age, as you say, to get it up three years, not to outright ban these kind of weapons? >> look, what we see happen time and again in congress is the house is often able to pass a meaningful gun safety regulation. we pass universal background checks. we pass the red flag law last year in the defense authorization act. it goes to the senate, it comes back stripped out and we're unable to get it done. what i'm calling for, let's use the national defense authorization act. that's a must pass act that ensures the safety of our nation and in that bill, we should have red flag laws. we should have universal

background checks. we should certainly have raised the age, if not an altogether ban on assault weapons in the defense authorization act. it's used to protect us overseas. the act should be used to protect us here at home. >> good morning congressman brown. you are addressing the assault weapons side of the question. what about the white supremacy side of the question? what can we do legislatively to address these white domestic terrorist groups in the country? >> sure. while i don't think you can legislate morality or ideology, there's certainly things we can do to limit the ability of those people with a distorted view on this country and who we are as a people, in taking the actions they do. i introduced a measure in the defense authorization act to require the department of defense to identify and eliminate from the military those who are members of extremist groups. again, it made us it out of the house, it failed in the senate.

we need to reintroduce that and make sure in the military you cannot be a member of an extremist group. what happens is, they gain experience with small arms, with other weapons, with explosives, and just with the discipline of a paramilitary organization and then they use that in their extremist organizations to do harm throughout communities in our country. so we can do that for starters. make sure that they can't join and if they're identified they're removed from the military. we also need to have a federal standard or at least incentives for states to adopt protocols and procedures to at least monitor and observe the existence of extremism, particularly in our schools. i'm not suggesting you're going to kick a child out of school because they may seem to have an interest in extremist group, but you can certainly bring greater resources for that young person so that they're not radicalized and not indoctrinized and they will not act out on those white

supremacist, white nationalism, white other extremist activity. >> democratic congressman anthony brown of maryland, the legislation on the guns is the raise the age act, introduced last year, raise the age to purchase a semiautomatic rifle in this country from 18 to 21. we will check back in with you on the progress of that. thanks so much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. all right. now to a major impact of the war in ukraine, one that russian president vladimir putin did not want, but caused. after more than 75 years of military nonalignment, finland and sweden have officially applied to join the world's largest military alliance. nato secretary general generals stoltenberg confirmed both countries submitted their membership be a plycations today, the application must be approved by the 30-member countries. that process is expected to take

about two weeks. joins us now, swedish ambassador to the united states, karin olofsdotter, and it's really good to have you with us this morning. >> thank you so much for being with us, ambassador. let's begin with some breaking news we just saw from the "financial times" saying that turkey's president erdogan says that he wants to slow things down until sweden releases what he calls extra diets, 30 terrorists, back to turkey. what's that about, and do you think that's something that sweden would be willing to do? >> thank you, first of all, for having me on. of course, as you reckon, it's a historic day in sweden today. actually for sweden, we're talking about 200 years of military nonalliance and neutrality, so this is a huge change to our security policy. when it comes to turkey, we are, of course, looking forward to working with turkey in the alliance, once we are a member and we already have close cooperation with turkey on so

many matters, so that's something that we are really looking forward to and strengthening the alliance as a whole, contributing to security in the north but, of course, to security in all of the nato territory. when it comes to the issues that you mentioned, the thing i can say is the diplomatic efforts are under way and we are in dialog. >> yeah. madam ambassador, we have heard from one military leader after another, about the extraordinary contributions that sweden and finland would bring to nato. what do you -- for you, for the people of sweden, what is the most important component of nato? what does nato give you that allows you to move beyond, as you said, 200 years of neutrality? >> well, first of all, you know where our location is. that's always location, location, location.

we have seen something in our vicinity we didn't anticipate and we were hoping was never going to happen, that russia, our neighbor, has attacked a friendly country, democratic state, sovereign state, without any reason. so this attack on ukraine the 24th of february changed everything for us. we have built up our security for a long time. we saw what happened in crimea and the attack on georgia in 2008. we have been increasing our defense spending by 80% since 2014. and now we have decided to go for 2%. you know, this is something that is really serious for us, and we are bringing lots to the table in europe, but things dramatically changed on the 24th of february. >> you know, mika, we heard yesterday, the admiral who knows a thing or two about nato, saying that sweden and finland coming into nato turns the baltic sea into a nato lake. >> it does. >> you cannot overestimate the importance of having sweden and finland in the alliance. >> sweden brings a lot to the table. madam ambassador, what's the

message that this sends to vladimir putin? >> i think it sends a message to him that, you know, we are not afraid. we are prepared. we are increasing our preparedness in other ways than we have done before. his actions in our neighbor has really made us change, so i think this is something that we've known for years that the russians never wanted, vladimir putin never wanted, an enlargement of nato of sweden and finland, but his actions and the atrocities we have seen in the ukraine has made us change our minds. this must be something that was not wanted in moscow, but now it's a fact. >> madam ambassador, this really is a huge seismic shift in the geopolitical world order that finland and sweden are going to join nato, potentially. would you have seen this coming six months ago, eight months ago? how much of a change is this for how you saw the world

progressing? >> well, i've actually worked at nato when i was a young diplomat. we have kind of a mission there, even though we are not nato members. i never ever thought that this would happen because we have built our security in so many ways in thinking that a nato membership was not what was needed because we thought -- and that was our thinking until the 24th of february basically from the government side -- there are political parties in sweden that have been in favor of a nato membership for a long time but it takes majority in the parliament to change this and now we have that. we have built up our security. we have, you know, been independent for so long. during the cold war, we relied on our own security. we were spending about 4% of gdp in the '60s and '70s. we have a huge defense industry. we build our own fighter jets. we build our own submarines. we have decided, you know, to increase army bases and so on. we were building a network and

our own strength that we thought was adequate to keep the tension down in the baltic region. as i said earlier, that really changed with the 24th of february. given what we have done over time, ascension talks to nato, we've been in every nato operation the last 30 years, huge partner in afghanistan, for instance, so we have close security relationship, defense relationship, to the united states, as i said, partner to nato, collaboration with all our neighbors, so we are really prepared for the switch. it was more of a political -- or it was a political decision because we were as close to being members as you could be. >> madam ambassador, was it just the shock of the invasion and the horrendous stories of russian war crimes coming out of ukraine? was this a decision that had been mulled? were you on the verge of making

this decision without the shock of the invasion? >> no. i don't think we were. of course that's all up to, you know, elections in sweden because there are political parties that have been in favor of joining for a long time, so depending on how elections go in our country, that could have become a reality before. but given the situation with the political landscape right now and the social democrats took the decision they were now in favor of joining. that's what has happened. i think it really was -- it took the attack on the ukraine to change this. >> madam ambassador, finally, estonia and latvia and lithuania have always felt like they were in danger, always felt like they were right on the razor's edge in this battle between russia and nato. i'm curious, what are your thoughts on how much more secure

they will feel knowing that your country and finland are now also a part of nato? what does that mean to the baltic states? >> i think it means a lot and that's what they've told us. you know, if you look at the map, you get a totally different depth of nato. so you get norway there on the western flank. then you get sweden and finland, and then you say you have the baltic states. now we go into operational, when we are members, deep operational planning together. so it means totally different landscape in that region that makes, you know, security much stronger, i would say, because we will be training together in a totally different manner. we will be able to provide each other with security and planned security in a totally different way. it strengthens the region. i know from my baltic friends they're happy with the decision of sweden and finland to join nato. >> swedish ambassador to the united states, karin

olofsdotter, thank you so much for joining us this morning. we appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. we're going to get the latest developments from on the ground in ukraine. richard engel will report for us in our fourth hour of "morning joe." plus, house democrats have an emergency bill they say will help address the baby formula shortage, but we're still weeks away from meaningful progress in this crisis. we'll explain why. meanwhile, on capitol hill, something we haven't seen in more than 50 years, testimony on ufos. what pentagon officials had to say about them. also ahead, an update on an ugly civil trial between hollywood stars johnny depp's legal team goes after amber heard, leading to a contentious cross-examination. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. "morning j" we'll be right back.

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i know folks are concerned about inflation. i come from a family and i mean this sincerely, like most of you where the price of gasoline went up significantly, the price of food went up, that's what we talked about at the kitchen table. it meant a lot. we felt it, we felt it. i understand. we're going to beat inflation. beyond that, it's all about the quality of life. >> president biden last week speaking to union workers in chicago about his family's own personal struggles with inflation. at a closed-door meeting of house democrats this month, congresswoman katie porter of california also shared her own experiences with rising costs as one of just four single parents currently serving in congress. and the congresswoman joins us now. she's a member of the house committee on oversight and reform. thank you very much for being

with us. tell me when you first saw the impact of inflation on your own family and what you're hearing from your constituents? >> we would all experience going into the grocery store. it's really been in the last six months that i've noticed it in the grocery store. i've done some checking. my grocery store seems higher and things have gone up. i recently did a side by side of my grocery bill from six months ago to today and all but two items had gone up in cost. it's changing how my family shops and eats. >> obviously it's important to show constituents that you empathize with these issues and that you're experiencing them yourself, but how much of this problem can washington control? >> i think that's a great point.

inflation has several causes in this moment and it's going to take several solutions. democrats are trying to make efforts to make inroads in addressing inflation by directly tackling price gouging at the pump with a bill that i have that the house is going to vote on this week to strike back at price gouging at the pump. we also are working on addressing issues relating to food production and baby formula. it's going to take that plus changes to monetary policy plus some time for us to get over the pandemic to get inflation back where we want to see it for a healthy economy. >> good morning. i'm glad you mentioned baby formula. you've been so good at looking out for consumers. what more can be done? this is a very real crisis for so many americans.

they're going to open up this other lab, but that means weeks or months down the road to see formula on shelves. what is your message to a mother or father out there looking for formula? >> i think what the white house has done here is act very quickly and i think we are going to see some of that stress relieved fairly quickly. part of this is people saying i'm worried i'm not going to find it, so when they do find it they're buying a lot. putting that factory back on line is the safest thing the white house could have done. i have questions why we allowed the fda to shut this plant down for such a long period and why we're not better monitoring this. i think we need to do better job of monitoring these supply chain

shortages and getting ahead of them so we don't put parents in this difficult situation. >> when this story jumped onto the national radar, i think it shocked a lot of people that in the united states a mother couldn't get formula for her child. have you done any analysis on how we got here? >> two things. one is the plant that was shut down for contamination. we're very concerned about having safe food for babies. but also market concentration. when you only have two, three or four producers in any market, you have two big risks. one is that one of those producers will have a supply chain disruption. the second risk is they'll be able to price gouge because they have so much market