title 42 is that acceptable. we are standing against it. we are pushing the biden administration to do the right thing by appealing and not take no for an answer when it comes to title 42. and any other policies that are hindering and creating people to die at the border right now, it is unacceptable for us as a country, the united states to continue this title 42. >> guerline jozef, thank you so much. i am alicia menendez. many hassan picks up the coverage. hi, mehdi. hello >> such a powerful alicia, powell or conversation you conversation there. isn't it have a trump frustrating that you have judge, federal a trump judge, a federal judge judge in louisiana on friday, blocking the blocking the biden administration ministration from lifting title lifting title 42, 42. the same republicans who decry activist judges. we have no problem with the judge effectively writing a federal government's immigration policy. >> we often refer to this is on

our show as part of the trump -- effect that he was able to install so many of these judges, and they continue to put policies into place from the bench that he supported endorsed. e supporte endorsed it's mad, i'm glad you highlighted that you have a great rest of your day today on the mehdi hassan show, republicans are doubling down on races -- in the wake of the buffalo mass shooting. at the same time they're trying to blame democrats for two of those top democrats, former president -- joins me live plus we must teach kids about racism, republicans are silencing -- of the president of the national association, and then the conversation with director john apatow, on the legacy of comedy giant george karlyn.

good evening on time mehdi hasan, it's been a full weekend since a match weekend brutally shot and killed ten people at a grocery store in a prominent black neighborhood in buffalo. seven days since we learned that a quote unquote, manifesto linked to the accused government embraces the vile great replacement theory. which promotes fear, people of the west are being replaced by white genocide. a week removed from one of the worst racist massacres in north american history. and how is the republican party responded? well, top republicans have doubled down on their support for the four fix appear -- that was used to justify mass murder. let's count some of the way shall we, comments in which conservative expressed his response replacement theory, gates tried to assist that

there was rage neutral terms, senator ten crews claim this week that the u.s. was the victim of an invasion from the saudi compared to russia and the invasion of ukraine. i'm not. getting heavy bombers -- dropped on cruises neighborhood asking for his snowflake. there is also congresswoman elise stefanik the third republican in the gop leadership who came under fire in the week of the massacre for her past campaign ad echoing replacement theory and yet on monday, she tweeted that democrats just desperately want wide open borders and mass amnesty, allowing them to vote, that is replacement rhetoric, and this is canada by the way not mexico. but the big piece of resistance this week surely has to be overseas holiday on european vacations dialogue american which gathered in budapest, hungary, for yet another cpac home fronts. do these people have day jobs? the role of the hapless griswold was played by this guy

the former guy, who spent much of his video message at the conference falling over hungarian prime minister -- reelected for a fourth consecutive term. >> we are, the victor or back he's a great leader, great gentlemen, and he had a very big election result i was very honored, little unusual i'm looking at the 50 states, when a little bit of strain and we did that only because he's an amazing good man, a fantastic job. >> is it me or is trump -- with or bans when, really good point of this victory or bans hungry great replacement isn't just a theory, it's a state's governing ideology. or ban sees hungarian and fdr national, terms he believes that immigration to europe from africa, the middle east is an existential threat to his vision of europe and taunting

this quote unquote a as word for him he's the guru of keeping things white and christian. and for him, making hungry great again allowing him to propose how authoritarian government for hungry. or bans now trying his would be autocratic friends in america do the same thing, he told him when he open sea -- telling american conservatives that we need to find friends and we need to find allies we need to, because we have a big challenge ahead of us. that doesn't sound ominous at all, the path to power is to have your own media, i think the american concert is already figured that part. ouch and tucker carlson the table hose in the new york times estimates has a spouse great replacement theory, over florida time since 2016. carlson also addressed the crowd at cpac, by video message and he took office got booted show for entire week last year. viktor orban said that cpac his liberal democracy for the

far-right autocracy to succeed in america. fox should broadcast technical and show 24 hours a day, seven days a week. you know what? i wouldn't be surprised if that one day happens. this is likely wouldn't surprise this week one addition to shamelessly and lawfully doubling down on replacement theory, took a carlson turn things up to 11 by first -- know ike the able to take a listen. >> you've heard a lot about the great replacement theory recently it's everywhere in the last two days, i'm not sure exactly what it is. >> but tucker carlson doesn't know what race replacement areas, happy try to hang that racist outrage around the neck of joe biden and other democrats, there's rules and logic don't applied in tucker's world, so that's what he did anyway. >> they bragged about it endlessly, talked about on cable news, constantly and they say out loud we're doing this because it helps us to win elections. that's not something you said winds, it's something they said again, again, again.

and we think that's wrong, in case you doubt us here they are. >> blue wave is african american, it's why, it's latino, asian pacific wind or, it's made up of those who are told are not worthy of being here. it is comprised of those who were documented and undocumented. >> a couple of presidential accent -- you will be announcing the calling of the three electoral votes of texas for the democratic nominee from president, it's changing, it's gonna become a purple state and then a blue state and because of the demographics -- >> it's the definition of audacious and shameless, don't blame me, tucker carlson says, i'm not responsible for anything about the ideological promo. let's blame the democrats, yeah, that's it carson, it's their fault for being in favor of diversity. look, democrats like stacey abrams and castro as you saw there are in favor of -- not racist. and because america's supposed to be a melting pot.

and they're talking about america's changing demographic because demographics are changing. there's nothing wrong with pointing that out. but it's not replacement theory, as -- washington post pointed out castro is saying the forecast calls for a, he thinks that's beneficial, and carlson is accusing him of affecting the weather. what's frustrating is to see even some liberal, some centrist buying this carlson bs, playing both sides of -- political scientists told cnn quote, the uncomfortable truth is less conspiratorial because of the replacement theory has long been embraced in mainstream public discourse. >> no, stop, stop you cannot be outside this it's not the same thing to quote the meme of all means, the og drill on twitter, the wise man bowed his head solemnly, there's actually zero difference between good and bad things. and you could see the. rest let me spell this out as clearly as you can out of our

society in pointing to changing demographics, this is not the same as the far-right saying a secret jewish cabal is deliberately -- black and brown in the cup to replace white americans, come on. it just isn't. who better to talk about this now that former democratic presidential candidate julián castro himself, and barbara tucker carlson he served as obama secretary of house and urban development and a former mayor of san antonio texas julio thanks for coming back to show, took a common sense says your justices wants for -- that it's benefiting you in the democratic party what's your response to that? >> that it is he knows it, they are engaging in the worst projection ever racial profile saying nixon summers drought edgy million millions of

dollars might viewers to see the growth on black and brown people he wrote to them in the future for republicans. because in my case the vast majority is taking place not because these people when we want to call the community they've been there for generations, that i grew up texas in the next minutes guys or 100 -- and you have folks that have been there even longer, and that's who is growing in texas, nevada, arizona for it really sells them. short prejudice when they go --

forward a lot of people believe that there are many other the cynical it's kept to invite people hole and many in texas are actually 30 against reporters because of that trump lost. with white texans in 2020 in 2016 it's gonna get worse and worse for that 2016 it's gonna get worse an worse for that we've discussed on this showing you discussed elsewhere i know, this idea of, you know, significant numbers of latino men in particular in border communities voting for trump in 2020. even if you buy into the racist conspiracy that people have been brought in a naturalized, republicans are biting that they're getting votes from these communities. you can't have it both ways that you're being replaced by democratic voters. it's classic, have your cake

and eat it. also, as you mentioned, a lot of these communities -- this is not about immigration. tucker carlson talks about legacy americans. you talk about white americans, when in fact there were brown and black americans who have also been in the past generations. black and rounds were the beginning of the country. three years ago, when it gunman opened fire inside a walmart in el paso texas, the response from a lot of conservatives in the magazines of the national review was an quite inch -- unquestioning -- of white supremacy. this week in response to a gunman opening fire at a buffalo supermarket, a lot of the response has been well, we condemn the violence, but the theory behind it, well, there's truth to it. we should not condemn the idea that democrats are using this political rhetoric. a lot of change even in between 2018 and 19. and now! >> maybe, that is the scariest

part. to watch these republican politicians, these conservatives be unwilling to completely disavow white nationalism, to basically treat it with a wink and trying to reap the political benefit that it might have for them. they are going to a very scary place that has very real consequences for communities of color out there, whether you talk about el paso, buffalo, recently, atlanta, pittsburgh. this is a dangerous thread for conservatives in this country. everybody else who wants equality in this country, who values adversity, who has respect for no matter who their background is, need to step up and push back against this immediately. we don't want to go down this path in the united states. >> so you said the magic word. speak out. democrats have been speaking out against white supremacy and replacement there this week. chuck schuman wrote a letter to fox condemning tucker carlson's

record. they haven't -- what they haven't done and it's been doing my head, jill biden, nancy pelosi, the senior elect a -- elected democrats in america, none of them this week called out a single republican by. named not none of them called out elise stefanik, the number three republican in the house. why are democrats giving republicans to engage in this far-right neo-nazi-esque replacement theory bs. why are they giving them a pass? democrats -- he made an inappropriate remark, she was accused of antisemitism. she was demonized in right-wing media. pelosi condemned her. stefanik is doubling down on the same conspiracy theory that led to a deadly shooting. why hasn't anyone called around? >> i've been disappointed with that as well. one more than -- more than one conversation.

it is a very strong sentiment among people in public office when they serve in the body. one of the strongest sentiments. sometimes it becomes detrimental to the reality of what we face as a country, and this is one of those times where they need to call these folks out for not disavowing white supremacy. if not, we will go further and further along this path because it gets normalized and we cannot afford that. i don't care if your relationship with one of these folks might be damaged a little bit. in theory, it might come back at you with something that hurts you politically. we have to speak up and stand up and speak out, or else the nation is going to suffer. our democracy will suffer, and communities of color will see more el pasoans and buffaloes and atlanta's and pittsburgh's, and we don't want that. >> it's bizarre. you've got these cute c names being used by democrats when it

comes to republicans. democratic polling groups are coming up with ultra maga, which joe biden started using, but immediately the republican party just borrowed it and started selling merch. donald trump likes the idea of being ultra maga. i don't understand why you just can't call them what they are. authoritarian. fascist in many ways. why hide behind all these words? let me ask you this. a judge on friday, a federal judge from louisiana, blocked the biden administration's attempt to rescind the title 42, quote unquote, public health measure. the stephen miller special that basically blocks anyone from claiming asylum at the southern border. you and i have discussed in the past would a cruel, arbitrary, possibly illegal rule that. is finally, the biden ministration tries to get around to lifting it and they -- and the judge could just block it?

>> yeah, it's maddeningly frustrating. it's also harmful, what trump has done to the judiciary, turning it into the most activist judiciary that we've probably ever seen. ironically, because as you pointed out and this is a group that absolves railed against activism. it will also mean that those families down there along the border who have been waiting just for their opportunity to ask for asylum, they will suffer even more. title 42 is a policy that needs to be ended. i'm glad the biden administration said they're going to do everything they can to appeal this and hopefully be able to lift title 42. they waited to. long never should have waited this. long it should have done it sooner, but we are where we are and now they have to continue to use the means within the legal system to try to lifted. it's the right thing to do. >> quick last question. 30 seconds. left if you look at the polls,

looks like democrats are heading for a shellacking in the midterms. perhaps consequential midterms. if you had to give one piece of advice to joe biden, chuck schumer, nancy pelosi, what would it be? >> i'd say be bold. make the distinction clear. cell web democrats have provided and what they've done for the american people and make these divisions the difference on this extremism that republicans have -- from white nationalism to serving only the powerful, big corporations. make it clear for the voters. >> i hope they are watching in listening. julian castro, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks. >> still ahead, the conversations in schools that we must have about race and racism but aren't. plus, the supreme court -- politicians this past week. you can thank ted cruz for that. thank ted cruz for that

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the suspect involved was arrested multiple times and not held. the racist killings of trayvon yes on h. recall chesa boudin now. martin, armada are brie and george floyd led to honest open conversations about race in america. the last week's mass shooting in buffalo that targeted black people has not inspired the same kind of dialogue. it almost seems like we're going backwards, especially in our schools, talking of racism being taboo.

ultraconservative republicans. just look at these recent headlines, the virginia school board considers renaming schools after confederate generals. blacks only, white only signs posted over water fountains at cincinnati high school. florida students holding up signs spelling the n-word. we need to talk more about racism in school, not less, it gives the kids, i regret to report, are not all right. becky pringle is joining me from the national education association. thank you for coming on the show tonight. you are a former middle school teacher. in a perfect world, how would you have addressed the buffalo massacre and great replacement theory with your students last monday morning. how far away are we from that perfect world? >> it's good to be with you, maybe. i taught science for over 30 years. in my classroom i always had

students who were watching the news. we were having conversations that home. they came into school wanting to have that conversation about what was happening in the world. there's no question that kids all over this country -- in buffalo. we lost three members in buffalo. that community and all of us are still mourning that loss and seeing how fear, racism, white nationalism fuel all of the hate and anger based on lies. we've been talking about this for the last few years. that actually tell teachers that they cannot have those conversations with their students is not allowing them to allow those students to build their critical thinking skills and problem solving abilities so that they can actually solve these difficult problems.

>> you represent millions of teachers across the country. what are you hearing from them as they're being branded as -- if they talk about lgbtq issues, they're accused of indoctrinating children if they talk about american history, threatened with jobless or criminal action if they mention race or politics in the classroom? >> you and i have both seen our educators -- social workers, counselors, all over this country, for the last two years do just incredible work. the academic and social and emotional vax for our students, going above and beyond. for them to be attacked the way they are being attacked. for them to be pounced on for their professional practice and what they know is in the curriculum to be, it's just unacceptable. it is unacceptable. but i tell you what, even though we might have thought it would have a kind of -- effect. i've been all over this

country. i've just been back from north carolina. one of our teachers there and our support staff are working together to ensure that our students had access to that curriculum. they were basing the curriculum on the 1619 project. i just left gilford county in north carolina there. there were teachers teaching -- leaders for just schools curriculums. the community were being talked to deal with their own implicit bias so that they could [inaudible] and they could learn today together. >> those are good examples. you're pointing to people who are not being rolled over or intimidated. but there are of course examples of the opposite. nbc news reported last week that there are teachers and austin texas that wanted to talk about buffalo but we're scared of losing their jobs. you're also getting reports from teachers or educators that

they want to quit. is this affecting peoples employment prospects? their morale, the faith in the system? laws that are being passed in the public-controlled state? >> absolutely. that is why we have put on our website and have been training our teachers to know their rights, so that they know how can they stand up and how we will defend them as they teach the truth. the whole and complete truth. they are standing behind them and defending them so they could do better. and we can do away with this chilling effect. our students are asking for the opportunity to have these conversations. i'm seeing educators all over the country standing up and doing it just that. >> it seems a lot of americans believe racism will simply die out. with the older more bigoted generations from the country and yet, the buffalo shooting suspect was just 18 years old.

>> there's no question that the disinformation, the lies that have been spread, had this effect on young people in a way that it still is that fear. it encourages them to permit this kind of violent racist act. we absolutely have to speak up and stand up for what we know is true, and with the promise of this country is. we talk about the poetry of our constitution. we the people. we the people, all of us to serve the right to pursue happiness and be truly free. we are working on our schools every single day to ensure that not just our black, brown, indigenous know about the complete history of this country, the white students as well. they're asking for your ability to learn so they could be the leaders of a just society. >> thank you, pringle.

we will have to leave it there. thank you for your time. coming up, how many common sense popular legislative bills can house republicans bluntly oppose before republicans campaign loudly against the obstructed-ism. but first, quarries with us. >> mehdi, good evening to you. a search is underway for the suspect who fatally shot a man in new york city subway car. the police say he shot the victim and it was unprovoked. this comes just weeks after ten people were wounded in a shooting on a subway train -- baby formula has arrived to the u.s. to address the national shortage. it was thrown in on a military plane from germany to indiana. the white house says another shipment of formulas expected to arrive in pennsylvania in the coming days. president biden is permanently banned from russia. he was added to the updated blacklist released by russia's

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joe biden entered the white house and democrats took control of both -- republicans in the house appropriated him's have opposed dozens and dozens of common sense and often very popular party base. let me mention just some of them. give me 60 seconds. start the clock. house of republicans voted against the bill to give money to the fda to help tackle the baby formula shortage -- increase resources against domestic terrorism and crackdown on price gouging -- increased against the bill to provide billions of relief to restaurants and businesses. decriminalize marijuana.

against the bill to help veterans expose -- to increase american competitiveness with china. to extend tax credits. build back better act. women's health protection act. to strengthen the voting rights of 1960. five to open up the violence against women act. new background checks for private gun sales. -- against the bill to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity. just maybe house democrats should be pointing all this out. still ahead, ensuring legacy of the great george karlyn. i talked with the director judd apatow. you can listen to the committee house and show on the go. anytime free wherever you get your podcasts. wherever you ge your podcasts. your podcasts.

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multimillionaire superstars who dominate on social media as much as they do on television, but none of them can claim that one of their bits spot illegal fight and went all the way to the supreme court. that honor goes to the late great george carlin, whose latest famous seven dirty words routine let the government power to censor indecent

material on public airways. karlyn and pirated generation of comedians -- stephen colbert, john stewart, wilbur, and judd, judd apatow, who directed a two-part documentary, paying tribute to him. it's called george cortland's american dream. the premiers on hbo max this weekend. here's part one of my conversation with director and producer judd apatow. thank you so much for joining me. the documentary is glorious. invaluable. i hope everyone watches it. i know you were a fan of george carlin, you watched his stuff growing up when you were an up and coming stand up. i don't think you've made him in person, but what made you want to make this hbo documentary about him and witness george carlin it mean to you? >> i started listening to his records when i was ten years old and back then, his records really broke down curse words,

which you love when your little kid. somebody telling you it's okay to say things. it's very and tie authority. he would say your parents never teach kids to challenge authority, because they are authority. i think the way he looked at the world kind of inserted the software to my mind that a lot of comedians minds about how to write jokes and how to break things down. >> and the documentary, the movie is a deep dive into george carlin. people will find out a lot of things about him they did not know before. what did you learn about him that you did not know before? what were you surprised while making this? >> what was interesting about him is he talks a lot about the big issues, but he wasn't someone who talked about his personal life. you never talked about being a parent or a husband. he didn't get into great detail about all of the struggles with addiction, cocaine, and it was really interesting to learn

about everything that he tried to avoid talking about, which is he had a very long marriage with his wife brenda. he was on the road. she got left alone. that led to her not being able to pursue her dreams. she became in an alcoholic, and he became a cocaine addict. it was harrowing for his daughter. they finally worked it all out. it got sober. it's tough, but beautiful story. >> his image onstage changed over the course of his life and career from clean shaven and suits early on to the ponytail and beer that we kind of remember him as. let's have a listen to the part of the film about that. >> karlyn's transformation was not a transformation. sign in, please. >> if anything, the karlyn that was on stage was a persona. that is what you didn't show business. it's like he did transformed into what he was actually was.

>> the person you are off stage is the person you are on stage. how much does that apply to comedians today? especially with social media and celebrities having these heavily curated online images? >> it takes a really long time for a comedian to figure out who they are. some comedians do their best work in their mid 30s and 40s. it's hard to get comfortable and figure out how to translate that on the stage. the thing that was incredible about george carlin, is he had five different phases of his career. he was on the comedy team. and he was so low, but kind of soft and corny, in a way, and then he turned into a hippie comedian. he got soft again. and he became a really dark, political thinker at the end of his life. >> yes, he did. what's interesting is there are so many clips that are still shared today. and carlin was very political

in a way that defied conventional party political labels is a great bit in the film where he talks about how he hates the orthodoxy of the left and the right, even though today he has identified as quite a bit of a lefty. he was very anti untapped establishment. it was ahead of its time, given the politics we now endure of anti establishment politics on the left and right. there is a clip of him that always goes viral. it is his you ain't in it bit. it's a special on hbo in 2006. >> the table was told to folks. the game is rigged. nobody seems to notice. nobody seems to care. >> the table is tilted, the game is rigged. judd, he was so ahead of his time, two years before -- ten years before the rise of trump. >> he was always warning people about the dangers of dark money, financial forces controlling the government and controlling the media and thought. it really felt like they wanted

us to fight with each other so that they could steal the money while nobody was paying attention. he felt like it was very important for people to be critical thinkers and to question everything. he certainly was liberal. it was for gun control and a woman's right to choose and gay rights and civil rights. he was very suspicious of military spending, but at the same time he really did feel like a lot of the levers were being controlled by people who did not have our best interest at heart. >> i think that's why so many people, all new generation of people keep identifying with him. when he says it still so resonate. let me ask you this, what would george karl and make about the current political moment? on the verge of overturning roe v. wade? >> he was always very concerned about people losing their rights and there is a quote from him or he says, i wrote it down, rights are not rights of someone can take them away. they are privileges.

that is all we've ever had in this country. temporary privileges, but you know the list gets shorter and shorter. that is something he wrote in 2006. i think we are seeing that right now. >> that was the first part of my discussion with judd apatow. tune in for the second half on the peacock show. you can watch george carlin's american dream on hbo and hbo max. ted cruz and the supreme court just teamed up to make it easier to, i don't know house to describe it, essentially bribed members of congress. that's next. stay tuned. f congress that's next. stay tuned (vo) singing, or speaking. reason, or fun. daring, or thoughtful. sensitive, or strong. progress isn't either or

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cruz. back in 2018 to cruise round was at the time the most expensive senate race in u.s. history. against democratic challenger beto rock. crews had personally loaned his campaign $260,000. would an ugly specifically that number to lend, especially when they before an election. back in 2002, congress passed a bipartisan law, which prohibited campaigns from repay more than $250,000 of personal loans, using funds raised after an election. the law sought to influence the special interest groups could have on candidates after they already won. this would not apply to cruises personal loans. campaigns are free to repay as much as they want from donations will receive before the election, as long as they do so within a 20-day window. following cruises victory in 2018, he let that 20-day deadline lapse intentionally laying the groundwork for this legal challenge. it brings us to monday when the

conservative court sided with ted cruz, knocking down the 250,000 dollar cap. the ruling came as no surprise to anyone who follows this court in recent years, they've stripped away major campaign finance provisions. most notably, 2010 citizen -- decision. just like in that case, monday's decision could have done consequences, like opening the floodgates to bribery by allowing donors to funnel money directly into -- personal bank accounts. as justice kagan wrote in her dissent, it takes no political genius to see the heightened risk of corruption. in striking down the law today, the court green lights all the sorted bargains. congress thought right to stop. ted cruz serves in congress in the senate where he has the power to help change laws he does not agree with, but instead of sponsoring a bill, he took a short cut through the right-wing supreme court. this might be the first time you are hearing about this case. i have to ask, why aren't the democrats, especially the ones

in texas, blasting the airwaves about this decision? ted cruz just made it easier for special interest in america to essentially bribe politicians directly. here's my message to democrats. don't underestimate the role of corruption in our politics. remember the candidacies of donald trump and bernie sanders back in 2016? and trump's case it was hypocritical. both of them made huge -- using an anti-corruption, anti establishment message. in general, the american people are widely fed up with political, moral, financial corruption. in washington d.c.! there's an open goal here, democrats. don't miss it. coming up, at the top of the hour, former trump dhs official miles taylor. he was anonymous. he joins ayman to discuss his position to quit the gop, and would finally got him to the breaking point. that's next right here on msnbc. that's next right here o msnbc. certified turbocharger, suspension and fuel injection.

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over to my friend ayman mohyeldin. good evening, ayman, before i go, i need to talk to you about the republican primaries. we saw this past week. i keep seeing these headlines about how these races with the candidates are test of his power and influence, but are they really? i mean, whether his candidates win or lose, the ripon republican candidate and said being a far-right extremist. look at alabama's republican primary senate race that's coming up. neil brooks, remember him? you and i both covered him. a republican congressman who reportedly tried to help the former president overturn the 2020 election. he even spoke there. you see him. january 6th, ahead of the insurrection. it was an endorsed by the former president back in march, because he dare to suggest it was time to move on from the 2020 -- now he is surging in the polls, regardless. he's likely to make it to a runoff. but, if he wins, i mean he is still trumpist. down five for points out -- the gop nominee is going to be the full-throated extremist

spouting -- we are in danger of diluting ourselves into thinking that the threat of trumpism will go away when he does. it won't, of course. will it, ayman? >> no, you're exactly right. listen, just take a look at my home state of georgia. it's not just trump himself anymore. it's trumpism. it's an ideology. it's present. it has permeated and dominated the future of the gop. i mean, when was the last time we actually saw an anti trump gop candidate even run, and that's why i'm saying look at georgia? we have the senate race between brian kemp and david perdue for the georgia governor's race, excuse me kemp, it's expected to blow purdue out of the water, even though purdue has gained the former presidents full-throated support. but here's the thing, camp is actually known for his use of trumpism and the trumpist playbook, even though he's been at the top of the former presidents enemy list ever since he refused to overturn the 2020 election in that

state. i mean look, brian kemp as governor's passed one of the nation's most repressive overhauls of state elections ever. he has to press the voting system in that state. that is trumpism through and through. even without the former presidents official endorsement. and he's expected to win. it's to your point, it is a matter of the former president endorses your, not because in today's republican party you are either a trump fan or you are and adherent foot soldier and trumpism. there are hardly any republicans who have the courage to write openly -- trumpers. >> we need the media need to be open and honest about that with our viewers, our readers, and listeners. i feel there are too many people in the industry who wants trump is gone we can go back to the way it was. business as usual. to normal political parties. the republican party is long gone regardless of whether donald trump is in charge of it or not. >> yeah, i need to continue that conversation -- conversation with miles taylor. great to see you as always, my friend. excellent show. have a good night. >> thanks. >>