aren't targeted in any way because of that. and, unfortunately, there are way too many families the count right no. and i feel it in my bones because we have way too many people had brady and across this country who are gun violence survivors. like everyone else we've talked to, chris, i cannot imagine. and it makes me want to cry. i'm thinking about it now, with the families are experiencing. and it doesn't have to be this way. and that is what i want to import. because gun safety laws were. it's not even vivian-able, chris. we know that permits to purchase saves lives, we know the brady law saves lives. these aren't debatable. and divestment geordie of americans agree. why are we arguing about this?

we don't need to. let's pass these laws, and that's my good frustration. a sitting here, knowing, maybe not the next shooter, the shooter after that, we are forced to cover. like the rest of the american media. unlike any other industrialized country that has as many problems, but not as many guns. they don't cover the stuff, chris. the problem is, we have more guns sold without the appropriate infrastructure, and we know the answers. so let's fix it. and chris murphy have said to you, tonight, he wants to. the democrats have the apparatus to change it. and you know what, if we can't get expanded brady laws through the senate, then maybe route to fix the filibuster, because of stopping a lot of other things. i think from me, as a mom, it's

very hard. because there are people sitting here in our country tonight who did drop off their kids in the state of texas. and they will never see them again. that is something that never ever ends. and for me, it really star democracy in our country. are we gonna continue to conscript our society to this? do you wanna feel like when you're walking down, you're island a grocery store, ride your arm into school and drop gets off, or the movie theater, you're a target? it's just not right. and for me, i wanted to change, and i think the answers are very simple. and i think the answer>> chris , thank you for making time for us tonight. i appreciate it. i want to just reset what we are doing. good evening from new york, here it is now 9 pm, just a

little after that on the east coast. we are continuing willing coverage of where the worst school shootings in american history. today, 18 children and three adults were murdered by a gunman. that updated number comes to us from a spokesman for texas, state senator roland gutierrez, who represents uvalde, texas, where the the shooting happened and who spoke to a texas ranger. the shooting happened in uvalde, about 80 miles west of san antonio. it began when the 18-year-old shooter shot his grandmother, that's according to governor greg abbott. the shooter then entered robb elementary school, we are about 602nd third and fourth graders were in class. and thursday was scheduled to be the final day for the kids. the district has now announced that it is closed for the year. officers responded to robb elementary school right around 11:32 am. they confirmed that the shooter acted alone and that he is deceased. several injured victims were

transported to local hospitals. at least two patients right now, as best we know, remain in critical condition. they include a 66-year-old woman, a ten year old girl, and earlier tonight president joe biden addressed the nation from the white house, where he spoke about the horrific pain of losing a child. >> to lose a child is like having a piece of your soul ripped away. there is a hollowness in your chest and you feel like you are being sucked into it and unable to get out. it's suffocating. and it is never quite the same. why are we willing to live with this carnage? why do we keep letting this happen? we are in god's name is our backbone? and the courage to deal with and stand up to the lobbies? it is time to turn this pain

into action. for every parent, for every citizen in this country. >> nbc news correspondent garrett haake joins me now from outside uvalde memorial hospital. i know you were down there to cover that primary in the rio grande valley that is happening tonight between cuellar and jessica cisneros. what is the latest there from uvalde? >> chris, we got into town about an hour ago. there are about three areas of activity in what feels like an eerily quiet small town tonight. there is the hospital behind me, which took in 14 patients today and treated most of them, i think he would, say successfully. they were transferred to five hospitals in san antonio, larger trauma centers that may be able to care for them. forward is charged, three will spend the night tonight. and there is the civic center, which is another center of activity in town tonight. that is where parents were told to go to try to meet up with their children. they were asked not to go to

the elementary school but to go to the civic center, where they could be reunited with their kids who were safe and well. and then there is the third center of activity, the one where no one wanted to find themselves tonight. and that is the elementary school itself, which is still a very large crime scene. walk surrounding it have been closed off. there are crime scene investigators working very late into the evening tonight, to try to continue their work there. and of course that is the building that is the center of all this horror, where so many of all these children will not come home from tonight. and just being at the hospital tonight, for the short time we were there, i talked to to hospital officials. and you could see families showing up, anxiously hoping for information, hoping that this is where they could find information about where their child, was where their loved ones were being treated. it is just -- i don't want to belabor how horrifying it is to come into a city like this, chris, with so many journalists have done in so many parts of this country,

and feel the sense of shock that pervades in the community like this, on these days. >> garrett haake, thank you for being down there and thank you for that dispatch. i really appreciate it. we will be returning to throughout the night. jonathan dienst's chief investigative reporter at new york city w nbc station. we have sketchy details, again. it's a very chaotic situation. what do we right now know at this hour? >> i've just been updated. they say that their numbers, as they have, it is 21 fatalities, 18 children, students. and two other adults and the gunman. so, that is the total, number 21. we also know the incident started with a shooting of the grandmother at the house. there are now conflicting reports as to what her condition is, if she is critical at the hospital or if she has not made it. we are waiting for clarity on that. so, the number as of now, according to nbc dials, is 21 total, 18 students, and two adults in that school.

and the gunman. it started with the shooting of the grandmother. he drove his vehicle, police were then pursuing. he gets out of his vehicle with some sort of rifle, perhaps an ar-15 type of rifle. he goes into the school, along with a handgun. that's according to the governor. then he began shooting. why did he pick that school? we do not know. the suspect is identified as 18 year old salvador ramos and he had been living in that area. we are told the family had emigrated sometime ago from el salvador. that is the best information we know about with governor texas called a horrific tragedy. >> minor standing is that the state senator, roland gutierrez, who represents that area, said he purchased the weapons legally on his 18th birthday. we still do not know whether that is the case or not. >> i have -- i have seen various bulletins. we heard the president of the united states and make a reference to -- >> yes, exactly, that is why i am asking. we >> have not heard from the texas law enforcement authorities to come out and say,

definitively, if, he did. that is what is believed. there is also an instagram account out there that we are in confirmation of, that we believe is linked to the suspect, that has been shared among law enforcement. it is being looked into whether it belongs to the suspect. and on into our two guns that appear to match the information that we are talking about. and had been recently purchased by the suspected gunman. >> there are also reports -- and again, i'm just asking these because i'm sort of monitoring as well. so, i want to make sure what we have established and what we've not established, about body armor, and the wearing of body armor. we know that that was something that was worn by the shooter in buffalo. it's become -- i don't know how to say it, but a feature of this type of uniquely american form of ritual murder. but do we have any details on that? >> i have not been told the

body armor angle yet. i've not seen the bulletins that have been shared with federal, local and state law enforcement authorities. i have seen reporting on it. it would make sense if somebody came on and was ready for battle, as we saw in buffalo. but we do not know -- i do not have that independent verification at this time. what we do know is that he did open fire on police who were responding. and two of them were grazed by bullets. we are told that they are in stable condition. and that those officers returned fire and killed a suspect. >> jonathan dienst, thank you very much for your time. speaking to the state senator roland gutierrez, a democrat who represents the 19th district of texas and his district includes uvalde, texas. he was briefed by the texas ranger on what happened, and on the most current all is that we have. and first let me say, state senator gutierrez, our most profound condolences to you in the state.

thank you for joining me. our things there right now? so, chris, it's a pretty sad thing for folks and you've audi, in texas, in the united states. i'm just devastated about this. i found that at 1 pm today that one child has been killed, throughout the day, the number increase from 9 to 14 and ultimately, i was briefed at 5:35 that there were 18 children and three adults. as i'm here in uvalde this evening, i spoke to some of my constituents, it's just earth shattering. you take your children to school, and not be able to pick them up. i'm a father of two little girls, and i can't imagine that happening. i can't conceptualize that. unfortunately, 18 families here are having to grapple with that very thing. >> can you tell us a little bit for the people who have, before tonight, donor thompson.

they're seeing it now in these awful circumstances. just off some of the town of uvalde texas, and the people that live there, and of course your present. >> uvalde is a very nice, picturesque community. hardworking families. it's got a lot of history in texas. it's a very hardworking community. never in my right mind that i think i'd be sitting here talking to you about this issue. but again, that's where we are. people are just trying to grasp their minds around this. this is very difficult for folks i know. >> just, i wanna talk about the information we know. first of all, do you know of the families, the relevant families know the status right now? are there families that you represent but are there, that are still searching for

information, or have folks been notified about their children and loved ones? >> so, on my way over, i spoke to some friends of mine whose cousin had lost a child. their child is at a hospital right now. so they're having to deal with all of that. there are still families that i mountain don't know the situation. i'll be over the civic center here in a moment. to talk to the county judge, to talk to the superintendents of the schools. my hope today is to try to grasp what kind of resources we're gonna be meeting over the course of the next several days. it's a small community, with very little psychological care. and i've talked to school districts and san antonio, and they'll be sending teams. >> you are the source for some of the information that we have, it was 18 children and two

adults as well as the gunmen that you had gone that from a texas ranger. is there any other information that you have come into about what happened? >> i've yet to get a subsequent briefing since by 5:30 briefing from the texas rangers. all we know is, he loved those grandmother, shot her. as of 5:30 she was still living. she has been airlifted to san antonio. from that incident, he drove over, got in an accident near the school, and proceeded to run into the school. and you continue this act of carnage. you know about as much as i do, to the extent that the rangers are able to uncover that he purchased those weapons on his 18th birthday infuse days ago. it was the first thing that he

did. he purchased those weapons illegally, at a brick and mortar facility here in uvalde. it's understanding to me, but unfortunately in texas, we have been expanding those issues in the legislative process. we have to start looking at this as a real problem, not just in texas, but across the united states. and figure out how we're gonna be able to keep those militarized weapons away from young men like this. >> do you think you have colleagues across the aisle who share that feeling particularly as i spoke to one of your colleagues that in the wake of that shooting in el paso, and a community knows estimated there, of course, by what happened, the legislature, the one piece of gun legislation you to compost expand access to make it possible for anyone over age 21, i believe, to open carry in your state. >> i mean, absolutely. and those of the challenges that we have, chris, we have to

keep fighting this fight for common sums gun laws. i'm a gun owner. i get it. i get all my constituents. my district starts and san antonio, and just the big bend national park. so i understand what peoples desires are and that space. but even the most arduous gun owners will tell you that we need to do something about having these -- restricting some accessories motorized weapons. i would argue that there's a vast difference between these types of weapons that are being used in these types of shootings, to the types of weapons that my constituents are using on the gun range, or while hunting in texas. >> i think that's probably right. state senator, i'm a must a lot to do tonight. i don't to keep you too long speaking to us, but appreciate taking the time. please know that obviously the entire nation of thinking about the folks, and i know the

president called greg abbott offering think that the u.s. government can do, i think that's the case of everyone watching across lines of ideology or the political spectrum that we have you on our hearts tonight, thank you very much. >> thank you, chris. >> we mention tonight, the national rifle association scheduled holders convention in just three days right there in the state of texas. many prominent republicans, including the governor and texas, scheduled to speak. and that seems like a familiar situation to you, from some very corner of your mind, we are not mistaken. that is the darker winner of winning nearly identical situation a current 23 years ago, just answer columbine, as memorialized and the michael more from, we're gonna take a short commercial break here, and when we return, michael moore will join us. return, michae moore will join us moore will join us

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miles from uvalde, texas, the nra will hold its annual conference. the organization, which has stood in the way of all gun legislation, or at least any gun legislation to restrict gun usage or improve gun safety, they will gather in houston. and the former president, donald trump, will headline. that of course makes sense. you will be joined by several texas politicians, including senator ted cruz, congressman dan crenshaw, governor abbott. i should tell you that john cornyn, the other texas senator, is also scheduled to speak. his spokesperson claims he pulled out before the mass shooting, due to an unexpected

change and schedule. michael moore is a filmmaker who produced and directed bowling for columbine, about the columbine school shooting. he joins me now. i think we briefly lost his screenshot there. michael, are you there? >> yes, i am here. >> michael -- we were talking about this today because it has been mentioned as we were all processing this news. the nra has their conference scheduled in the same state, just a few days later in the wake of a horrific school shooting. and the fact that this is exactly 23 years ago, at exactly what happened in colorado in the wake of columbine. >> right. and it has happened other times also. the nra will also often show up after the shootings to make their point. that they've always been strong believers in --

we need to be half a strong in our beliefs. if so, we would not have a lot of problems that we do have. but frankly, chris, i want to say, i am not -- i have not come on after any of these shootings, these mass shootings now, for ten years. i said ten years ago, i may have even been on your show, this is the last time i will come on during the shootings. because it's just the new normal. but you asked me to come on tonight because i do want to say some things here. number one, we need to admit that we love our guns more than we love our children. and if you are watching and listening and saying, oh, i do not have guns, of course i love children more, well, the proof is in the putting. the actions are -- that's including people who do nothing and say nothing about this. it is clear that we are more concerned about bipartisanship and preserving the filibuster, so that we cannot get anything past. and i think that we have let

this happen. i watched steve kerr, an hour ago, i don't know if you guys had shown it. it was just before a game in dallas. and he just exploded with rage. his dad was killed in an act of violence, an assassination. -- i think, chris, that we need to -- listen, this is what i do not want to say because i do not -- the truth is, that this is the new normal. and it is not going to change. none of the gun laws that people are going to discuss on any network over the next few days -- background checks, ghost guns, all of this. none of that would have stopped today. the shootings occurred with guns legally purchased by illegal adults. the laws that we talk about are not going to fix the problem. but i don't think we want to fix it. i think --

i don't know when it would take. i said years ago, after sandy hook, that if the sandy hook parents did what emmett till's mother did, when he was brutally murdered by white supremacists in 1955, and she demanded that the casket be open at his funeral, so that america could see what her child looked like, that created such an uproar, and it also created in part, a movement, as rosa parks said, five months later after emma, till after seeing him in that casket, i decided not to give up my seat on that bus. >> i think, just to say how i think about this, because i also feel that feeling -- it is in arguable, and i think you will hear this from conservatives. this or that piece of legislation will not change things overnight. there are more guns in the united states than people. there are more guns than motor

vehicles. we have the highest per capita rate of gun violence of any peer wealthy democracy. we have one of the highest in the entire world. the only places, really, that have higher rates are places like in the northern triangle of central america, where people literally flee for their lives because of high how low hi the level of gun violence is. that's the category wherein. i think the only way i can think about it is when i think about cigarettes. we are in a multi decade approach that included changes to the culture, to the law, lawsuits, regulation -- again, it's small regulations that first. when you get rid of smoking sections on an airplane, how many lives does that save? not a ton. it's that little thing. but it did chip away. and if you look at what happened over the course of 30 or 40 years, a dramatic number of lives were saved. hundreds of thousands. that's through a constant,

iterative process of changes in regulation that happened at local levels, state levels, and i agree with you. no one should have any illusions about this or that bill. but the only hope that i can find is something like that, which is that you have to start somewhere. and you have to -- >> that's an excellent point. yes. and i'm so glad you brought this up. it's an example of how we can change. >> yep. >> americans, when they first proposed no smoking in bars, i thought, well, that is never going to happen. >> yes! >> who would have thought that the germans -- it is not even, what, 75 plus years since some of the most violent killers on this planted have become some of the most peaceful people, save for the japanese, on this planet. humans can change. but we will not acknowledge that we are a violent people to begin with. this country was birth in violence and genocide of the

native people at the barrel of a gun. this country was built on the backs of sleeves, with a gun to their backs. they built this country into the country that we got to have. we do not want to acknowledge or two original sins here. the sins have a gun behind the ability behind our ability to become who we became. so, i think that we have to -- i don't want to nickel and dime this. i don't think that that is going to do it. i think we need some really drastic action here. we need a moratorium, perhaps, on gun sales. who will say on this network or on any other network in the next few days it is time to repeal the second amendment. you cannot say that. well, why not? and i truly believe of jefferson and washington and -- if they all knew that the bullet would be invented, some

50 years after our revolution -- i don't know if they would have written it that way. they didn't even know what a bullet was. it didn't exist until the 1830's. they had any idea, no, idea if so you have to believe that the founders of the country would not support it. but the fact that these -- numbers, look, i support all gun control legislation. not sensible gun control legislation. we don't need the sensible stuff. we need the hard-core stuff that is going to protect ourselves and our children. i don't know if we are willing to do that. but i will say that i do have thoughts and prayers. and those thoughts and prayers are going to remove, as many republicans, and as many people who support this evil policy of this coming november. and americans know this. they don't want this. they don't want their kids killed at school. that is the vast majority of americans. the mainstream of that. instream of that

we believe that our fertilizing act is not a human being. we have to remove these people, and they believe in violence, they believe in his three, they don't take the statutes. there are so tight and to the america. and, president biden, i watched this before i came on here, he asked the central question. -- other countries went through all the craziness of covid, other countries kids watch violent movies on tv. why us. and that's a simple question. we are brave enough to answer that, it's true, guns don't kill people, americans kill people. there's no other place that does this. but president biden, and the democrats have got to also stop talking about that yes we will

send troops to taiwan, no or not. we're not sending troops anywhere. we are in a time room when it comes to sending troops to other countries. and, yes other feud, used to whatever we can, but this violence that we are just so jacked on has got to contend and. and what we saw today, we know one happened last week in buffalo. it happened the day after buffalo in orange county. will happen again next week. there is no way to stop. next week's mass murder. i think we're talking about here has nothing to do with that. and so, i want to have a real discussion about what we can really do to make guns with e-cigarettes of the 21st century. >> i think that's the only, the north star team for, honestly. and it's incredibly dangerous devices that cause loss of death and missouri's, and they

have not uncommon. we should just say, and this is something we've explored in your phones, there's a lot of things about america, inflation right now, housing prices, which are both complicated and their causes. that's problems that we ought to forgot that other countries do, to. there just isn't -- america's level of gun violence and lovable guns is its own thing. other countries in the west and houses here have higher levels of four counts the gun violence, but there are much poor places. there is no wealthy democracy on earth with our level of gun violence, and with a level of weapons, and with our constitutional rega regime, which as interpreted by the supreme court in the wake of the landmark thousand eight how they're decision, that basically views that as an un-feathered right. we really are on an island here,

and everyone should recognize that we think about this. some problems are hard and complicated, some problems are ours. and this is one of those problems. these images, the bureau, the coverage and doing tonight, which, again, of than those two dozen times. i've been around the country in the wake of different -- this is us. this is an american thing in a way that it just really is not anywhere else. >> and aren't you sick of doing it chris? aren't you tired of this, you must be. i know you are. your father, you have children. i watched earlier on this network people breaking down. she has a far greater. this has to stop, and we can stop it, but if we keep talking about, loss remember, there's a

supreme court now put their, a third of it appointed by donald trump. what do you think the supreme court is gonna do with the gas legislation that gets passed? >> in fact, there had a case this year which was likely to come out in the next week. i was likely to strike down a new york law and produce a texas style open carriage and throughout the country. not something the brace for as well and to keep in mind that the trump court is still a problem to solve, although keep telling myself, if you told me would happen to smoking and identity, eight i wouldn't believe you. so, michael more. thank you very much for joining us, really appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> michael more, with the golden state warriors have there. i wonder of the control room ability to find that steve kerr

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internal zarda after a gunman went into an elementary school, and atomic all bold east texas, and murder the number of people. the gunman himself is dead. the motives and by and contacts are unclear. believe he showed his grandmother first, it's unclear whether she's alive or dead. we know there are two people at least in critical condition right now in a san antonio hospital. the gunman is no longer alive. we know there are many families that are experiencing unfathomable grief. will those families if not all of them obliteration of what's happening in this hour. it's a chaotic scene, it's been conflicting reports all day, that is the latest information we have. we know the gunman acted alone. and right now, the nation is watching this as they walk into

her just a couple of weeks ago when another gunman was killed in buffalo. it was several years ago the gunman murdered multiple people in el paso, texas. a congressman of raucous covers about democratic congressman in texas represents el paso and has had to deal with this kind of thing, firsthand. congresswoman, it's good to have you tonight. so it's on the circumstances, matt imagine you're watching this with a special sort of pain and recognition, giving what you know potshot to go through just a couple years ago. >> hi, chris. i am, and i know el paso mourns with the body. i want to do everything possible to wrap your arms around their community. those parents, those families. i re-shot lake hollyhock tony gonzales who is the representative for that district. to tell him that, unfortunately,

we know the playbook. we know will happen in the days to come. and we're here to help and support. that community, like so many communities in texas, especially more economically disadvantaged communities will not have the kind of access to mental health care that they need. and so, it is my hope that state leaders do everything possible to send state resources and mental health care because those little babies are gonna be very deeply traumatized after what they witnessed in their school. those teachers, those parents, the survivors. the hours i had, the days and weeks, months, years ahead, the pain will be so profound. that we all need to be there for them. >> what did you learn in your capacity as you asked

congresswoman representing an area that had to go through this, about with that process looks like. what if, anything, can help as a community deals with the aftermath of something like this. >> well, we need to make sure that the federal government in the state governments and resources to the community. again, those mental health resources. but also, we still have victims and survivors who still have medical bills from the attack in 2018. yes. people still need surgeries today, chris. people still are going through physical fairview to deal with the pain. today. almost two years later. so there's something else that we need to do, and that is for people accountable. i do not subscribe to the broad generalization that congress or lawmakers are legislatures

aren't doing enough or aren't doing anything. in fact, it's republicans who are standing in the way of democrats who are seeking to take action in the house. we have a slim majority but even with our slim majority we have passed gun violence prevention obviously shun when we know that in the state legislature in texas, it's a republican controlled legislature, and republican governors that have created laws to expand access to guns. to lower the age. to make it so that people who are younger have access to guns. temecula people righteous guns not just they don't need bygones checks, but they don't need the license. they don't need training. common sense utah's now when we do these things, when we follow the republican playbook, people die. our communities become

deadlier. and the impact is most gravely felt among our children. children are dying. the number one cause of childhood death in america's guns? we are moving in the wrong direction. and the pattern is clear. morgan's, and we'll show you gun laws, equal more death. >> yeah, but i want to echo the congresswoman just said is true. the number leading cause of death of children in this country used to be, for years, all the fatalities, which would make sense. obviously, children are usually dying of illness or other things, it was car crashes. and then two things happened. a lot of faith all the numbers came down, almost cut in half. again, because of a set of regulations. technological improvements and car safety. drunk driving particularly, the way we police that and regulated that. and gun fatalities have gone

up. so that now it is the case that as you said, congresswoman, can feed of these are the leading cause of death and children in the united states. jesus christ. if you had aside those willing to break the filibuster, jonathan or publican members to pass something. they can pass a very voter confidence. there's actual gun safety legislation, including background checks that is already been passed by the house, that is just sitting there. >> that's absolutely right, and again, chris, in your prior segment, you mentioned something that i had been saying for a long time. when we regulate vehicles, we create safer vehicles. when we regulate the roadways, when we create speed limits, we create safer roadways. same thing with alcohol.

when we create a drinking age, we make sure that children don't get their house on alcohol. and there is this, not just absolute resistance some of these very common sense measures, which include hr eight, the universal background checks that everyone should agree to. we shouldn't one guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have them. but it's happened with the republican party, and again, i want to stress that the american people, if we want to make changes, it's important that we look to see with obstructionists are. who are the one standing in the way. it's so not helpful to say, congress isn't acting. our state legislatures is and i think. no, let's put the blame where it belongs. and so these common sense pieces of legislation, they wouldn't delay the tragedy is completely.

but they would mitigate some of these. right after the el paso shooting, chris, governor greg abbott came into my community and they'd also so from a sivs. that he would ensure that the state legislature to take action. that he would ensure that he would do everything possible to prevent this. well guess what, the electoral opposite direction. he lied to my community, he lied to texans. and he essentially coward to the and are a for their money, for their endorsement. she's absolutely no courage of those convictions. he there lights are community, or house no courage. either way sample. minister be held accountable. and this is within the power of the voter. the voters of texas, the voters of the united states of america, they need to decide when enough is enough. and those little babies, those

little baisey is the restart today, deserves to voters attention. sympathy, an action. >> congresswoman veronica escobar, who represents el paso, texas, there on the border and the western portion of the state, congresswoman, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i mentioned earlier the reaction of steve kerr, whose father was also gun violence. and the statement in texas today for the playoff game against the dallas mavericks. at a pregame press conference, spoke on the shooting. here's an extended version of those remarks. >> and i got talked about last couple. nothing's happened with our team in the last six hours. we're gonna start the same way tonight, anybody looks and still matter. since we left, around 14 children were killed for hundred miles from here. and a teacher.

and in the last ten days, we've had elderly black people killed a supermarket and buffalo. we've had asian churchgoers killed in southern california. and now we have children murdered up school. when are we gonna do something? i'm tyrants, i'm so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families that are out there. i'm so tired of the -- i'm sorry, i'm tired of the moments of silence. enough. this 50 senators right now who refused to vote on hr eight, which is a background check ruled that the house passed a couple of years ago. it's been sitting there for two years. and there's a reason they won't vote on it, hold on to power. so i ask you, mitch mcconnell, ask all of you senators who

refused to do anything about the violence and school shootings, and supermarket shootings. i ask you, are you going to put your own desire for power ahead of the lives of our children, and our elderly, and our churchgoers? because that's what it looks like. it's what we do every week. so, i'm fed up, i've had enough. we're gonna play the game tonight. but i want every person here, and every person listening to us to think about your own child, or grandchild, well, mother or father, or sister, a brother, how did you feel of this happened to you today? we can't get numb to this. we can't sit here and just read about an angle, well, that's a blown of silence, yeah, go doves. i won, matt let's go. that's why we're gonna do? we're gonna go play basketball again. and then 50 senators and washington are gonna hold us

hostage. >> steve kerr, the coach of the golden state warriors, before the game tonight. he's a really special, unique presence in american public life. i just am sports, but i found those comments really affecting. a lot of first-time spoken about that. so the first time he spoke about issues with public import. i wanted to have some case you haven't. david jolly for republican congressman from florida. he served the record movements. what foreman that national affairs editor. it will join me now. mark, well, david let me start with you on kurds, i think that's the top of the bunch of times. and i think something pasta breakthrough. and it never feels like it does, because i feel like there's some sense that there is some emotional encouragement of shame that can happen.

but, the radicalization of the republican party, particularly on this issue, which is gotten more radical, more extreme, more obsessive, more fetishistic overtime. i think it's an important thing to understand. and how far it is i think outside of the mainstream, i'm sure there's many gun owners in uvalde texas. lots of gun owners around this country. but these basic, anything being subjected to the obstruction of the nra and the conservative movement right now is barbara. >> yeah, and look, let's start with coach kerr's comments, because this context was right. we're gonna go back to basketball game tonight. tomorrow are gonna move, on or be doing something else, i got four, but somehow he's gonna fit from our memory. but only because our leaders won't step up and fill that void.

our political leaders won't. so they will lead the nation into sufficient and action. so top it off to orlando, that's one of enough to las vegas, of the sandy hook, of the columbine, they're pittsburgh, after san diego, shut down the list. the strategy of republicans this inaction. because they're protecting this extremist viewpoint of gun rights in america. i found one plea for my republican colleagues tonight, a former republican colleagues, would simply be this. well you've been asking to do with gun laws, are not working. and then our er gun lobby, we're advocating for, it's all working, because we find ourselves back here every time. and, look, on specific lusciousness, were all over them up as americans. as republicans and democrats and the party, a roll room up. but it is true that there is one party tonight that is protecting the status quo. that is protecting in american

culture that gives us gun violence. there is one party, as the congresswoman alluded to, that is saying enough funds enough, let's at least try to do something. so of gun violence prevention, as we are today the democratic party is a national political party in what you find a home. >> mark, you have government shootings. and i learned a lot from your reporting on this. particularly about how we cover them, and i think actually in the decade have been doing this as changed, and formed by some of the research, we to spent, cover to suspend a lot of time on the shooters, and what they, the and i think that we learned it's actually dangerous. there's a copycat effect. i do worry, again, this is, news we're gonna cover, corresponding time on the shooter. we've changed the way recovered it. but, i just can't just set of the people.

the specific kind of, a sense of smell instagram public space. it's just not -- it doesn't happen with any sort of regularity. like anywhere else in the world. our country's only place that this is happening. is that a fair thing to say? >> i think it, is there multiple contributing factors, including we're alluding to in terms of the cultural and political narratives wrapped around this problem. and the sensationalism of people who do it. well, look, steve kerr's comments were very powerful. he also, said don't become numb to this. and i think that's a real danger we face in this country. and a half for a while. it's been happening. this is an escalating problem. yesterday, fbi publisher such an active shooters. that's an annual report on. it's this rollers double.

study about data. and the number of fatalities has increased. and the people who think about committing a crime like this are feeding off of what happened, on the media, social media, look at the last ten days. we've had 2:18 year old young man, suicidal, who have very powerful firearms as they can get easily, going and committing mass murder. this is an escalating problem, chris, and it's something that we have to really take on the reality of. >> yeah, i mean, the accusation of firearms and the ease of that is just, there is nothing like it. i reckon something like 40% of the world's guns. and there's the symbolic elevation of it, david. i remember the gun politics of the hunting and recreation, that's a, truck that it's taking a turn towards the explicit invocation of violence,

under threat of violence is an important rights for free citizen to having conservative baltics. >> that's right, i was just during our lifetime that a republican president like bush suggested that racial recognition was appropriate. and he left the nra over. it will be lost on the last 20 to 25 years is this perversion of constitutional doctrine that are fundamental rights of civil rights, except when it's abortion. and now they are exercising the use of that at a time when white nationalism other trump's a violence are marching. it's a toxic problem. if you are left with the fundamental right becoming an absolute right, that is hard to overcome, and went out back to the world to see the children have as much arrived at time school arguing killed as you have a right to own a firearm, and i will suggest the latter

is more for a ghoulish and a liquid. is more for a ghoulish and a liquid >> thanks chris and thank you for that two hours of covering this for us. we appreciate it. >> there has been another mass murder, as you know. at a school in texas, we are the unique american phenomenon of mass murder at schools, complete with television coverage, like the television coverage you are seeing tonight, began. all of that began in texas. in 1966, when charles whitman, a name that became one of the most famous names of the 1960s, went to the top of a texas tower, the university of texas in austin. and with his rifle, he aimed down at people walking across the campus and he shot and killed 16 of them. before he was shot and killed by police. that's before going to the