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known lies for assault on texas. or really, pry nation. police say an 18 year old gunman overlaying tuesday morning and said that, and in texas. at least 19 children died. the victims was a very morales. she's been a teacher for 17 years. and according to the new york times, she was brutally murdered was trying to protect doses. president biden ordered flags on the white house and over public buildings lortabs of. and several hours ago, he spoke to the nation about every mask. >> i hoped that whatever can president, i will not have to do this again. another massacre, and uvalde, texas. an elementary school.

beautiful, innocent, second, third, fourth graders. and how many scores of children who witnessed what happened. as a nation of, task one and doesn't they are gonna stand up to the gun lobby? >> not yet, obviously. our coverage becomes the sorrow and the senior correspondent lexus never guaranteed, was the latest? we spoke to our-able. >> yeah, the senior continues in almost involving those ripples for the founders. this is the civic sumter. and candidate of the shooting, a place of hope or solarium suckling for cynicism of shooting at a nearby mature school. tonight, and it's become a site of prolonged agony improvisatory are awaiting

generous votes, or other foes of an imprecations that they might know. that it is in fact their children were not coming home, joel, spoke lucy maybe, to three families leave the building behind me. there are not many left, now i suppose the supposed thing to good news i can provide. a lot of us give scientists. it was looking to make their living from dps along with him about the shooter, and i can tell a lot of school still an active crime scene tonight. likely will be through the night and in the morning. >> there still are parents there who don't yet know where the children are? >> it's been hours. >> they still are brands here, suffering. recovered under the assumption that we know where their children are. whether there is not yet been specifically identified, just to make the way that much more tolerable. >> and i don't know specific numbers but can you give us a sense, approximately how many people are being treated in the hospital?

our top affable people are dozens? >> those numbers are slightly more positive. also here in town, it's a 14 patients today, out of those forward looks most are sometime of the times we have gotten our discharge and likely the families. five have to be sent to the hospital, some other travel centers in the area. senate 20 as a number of major hospitals. that military facilities. they are the kind of trauma suntory auto sunday gunshot victims, not the small i never hospital. those five patients have been transported. we have not had a direct conditions. when i talk to the seal, he was optimistic about their condition. so something we're gonna see those numbers change from asheville here in time. >> gareth thanks. i bring a friend and colleague tom winter.

tom, can you walk us through the investigation? >> sure, at this point, a lot of details are coming into focus. sometime on details. apparently we're talk about salvador orlando ramos, he just had his 18th birthday. born in thousand four. and there are some indications that either on his where they're immediately thereafter he purchased two of the weapons that were used, or at least on his personal today shooting. the shooting happened shortly after 12:30 eastern time today. all indications was that he occasionally shot as godmother. at some quite law enforcement against some after he's either chased or his car crashes near the school. he still able to get into the school in an interview with his colleague. that's texas department for the safety says that initial officers that responded tried to shoot him and kill him and and thus before anybody else

could be hurt but it wasn't until tactical teams arrive that they were able to find the shooting kill the suspect because the suspect was wearing, or the shooter i should say, was wearing body armor. this represents a potentially very disturbing trend and the shooting that we just saw in buffalo. those targeted at the black humanity their loss of the market. the shooter also wore body armor and was shot out by security guard, a retired lease officer. and that did not and. >> so just, wait for a second. we were hearing of more people are changing well unarmed at best a security guard look, again they have? >> the upper hand gun. noting that we saw after sandy hook unlawful summons and after the shooting, following the boston marathon warming is that there was little bit of momentum operatives or to get a

higher caliber. the resolution of the 9 mm going to 45, because that is a better ability to stop the person that is firing at you. >> but they're facing off against someone who was now body armor and what kinds of gun was at that he potentially motivate? they >> are looking at our situation here where it sure seems like a procedural stations are sold rivals used. so the pictures of this plane so the reason why i think throwing a lot of people are a lot of this one that's for the school safety officer. officer but sports are counselor, part-time parents, part-time protect tour of the school is now maybe at best match evenly with a person's gonna commit to kill those kids, but it worse is overmatched in the beginning. i think that presents a troubling new trend. gets money on this idea of the antitrust. -ing your folks this is the killer please explain the song.

might go out i reviewed my files and all metal notes rang keep them all. the damage themselves rifle around those tight children's horrific. it would mean the an eight puzzling proposal of other application. >> imagine this guy's pleas. imagine you drop off your kid to school and you pick them up you cabirac are not some [interpreter] . you're the first nbc persons, you've covered almost every mass shooting, what is this like for you? >> i think the feeling that we

have as we are over it. we have a lot of support here, we have a lot of pride in our work, we care very deeply, look every vp about these incidents. these golly are never have to do this again for months that another one of these kids doesn't like. school shootings are right for the worst. all the terrorist attacks, everything we've done, there is a moment where we feel a drives identify and find a motive. but let's be honest, stuff. if i got the motive in melting right now, we are documented a fan of us almost back, and i could explain to you what he said. there's no motive i can give you tonight that's gonna satisfy a single person as to why this occurred today. there's just nothing. and so, when we look at this, i

think the lack of answers and re-reading the report, they did everything to try to figure out of there are vibrations from the gas by plans in the neighborhood. they could've somehow driven to get all those kids killed. and that wasn't the answer, but lost a lengthily they went through. oh my gets up when you're where we can't explain it. and you can't explain why somebody want to do what they did today. it is profoundly frustrating, as frustrating.

from our perspective, the sadness is pervasive. and speaking with my colleagues, it's reaching a breaking point for all of us. so i can't imagine what it's like. >> i'm so appreciative. i want to dig deeper we bring in matthew dowd. on the guys on the need to sleep. former fbi special agents gentlemen, matthew help us here. we've been saying it on, i we want change, stop killing children.

chris murphy got on the senate floor and change. he represents sandy hook, connecticut. but nothing's happening. are gonna fly the fires and a half by. is there anything that can be done tomorrow, without the republican hands. >> i think what can be done tomorrow with all of our brocket hearts convene turned into active anger. with politics. political anger. this is not a clash that we our asset to.

20 people are killed and omar. we have 19 children killed today. have the same thing in common, access to guns. and you know the answer to this. this is like a medical epidemic. we refused to use them. it seems the american public is gonna have to come to the point where they throw people out of office that are unwilling to do the basic thing that you see done. i was thinking before i came on, remember the shoe bomber. we heard one incident on an airplane, no one was killed, and we need every single person that goes to a metal detector take off their shoes. one instant, nobody was killed,

and that's what we did. stop smiling. and i'm afraid soil be with you and clinics do this for now having the same conversation. and our hearts break. my heart breaks. i know the town. i was there. it's great. i love that town. until we become political anger, and remove the politicians and the way, that's on the path forward. >> it's not gonna happen tomorrow? we have a brouhaha. >> we have the senator they'll because he doesn't want to take the he. there's some heat surrounding this. >> the hold on, let's be really clear, he canceled the need as a counselor cause of the shooting, he said the as a prior personal commitment.

he's not acknowledging it. >> no, i can't tell you tonight -- i can't tell you tonight that there is a solution tomorrow. just like we have not been able to tell any family of any kid of any person who has been shot that there is a solution to our plight. but i do believe there is a solution. and there are choices to be made, choices to be made here in texas. and in the election. there is the differences between candidates on justice issue, on the ballot in november. we cannot solve it tomorrow. we know what to do. but what we have to do is that the american public has to remove the leader standing in the way of the common sense solutions that can solve many of these problems. >> clint, matthew just ran through a bunch of stats. i assure you, every cable new show on television, including mine tonight, was lining up. we need to know the number of mass shootings. we need to make sure we know the guns. bang, bang, bang. you could read the numbers all night long and it becomes white

noise. explain to us -- are we seeing this dramatic increase in active shootings over the years? is this all about availability of guns? >> it is two parts, stephanie. i think the first part is that there is a dramatic underestimation of the number of angry young men in the online environment that are discussing and thinking about or commiserating with each other around these mass shootings that we see. is there any connection to buffalo? no. but what we do see is that when we have one mass shooting, we should expect we will have more mass shootings. it is a contagion effect. we see a quite often. think of all the shootings we have just had in the last 14 days. if you go back to buffalo, look at what happened in southern california. look at this one here today. they are devastating attacks. the second part is the severity. that's what we were talking about stephanie, with the guns. we do not see this in other countries because we do not arm citizens in other countries with ar-15s and assault rifles. we don't set them up to

basically be the same infantry soldiers, the same gear that i wore when i was in the military. that guy went into an elementary school today with that year. why did he do that? why did he have access to it? part of the discussion that you had with tom, which i thought was fantastic, was about how is it that a school resource officer -- i met lots of them. i have done training with them and for them. let me tell you what, that is not your newest compliment on the street. it is not your young swat team member. you are talking about people who are oftentimes counselors as much as law enforcement officers. and they are toward the end of their career. expecting them to go and defend the school against an unknown assailant, and an unknown time, who has better armor and weaponry then that individual does, you are then taking people with handguns and facing them off against what would be the equivalent of soldiers. this is intolerable, that we have this sort of system here. now we will hear today and

tomorrow and for the next few days is that we just need more security around an elementary school. we need more police officers to try and engage the shooters, if and when they show up. i can tell you what -- in the online environment, you can go right now. there are going to be people championing the sick individual today. there will be people out there championing it, buying ar-15s online, buying weapons online, and that are picking their targets. this is an untenable situation in america. we cannot let it continue anymore. >> matthew, i appreciate what you are saying about taken our broken hearts and turning them into political anger. but i want to get real. because we have got all sorts of gun comments. we have every town. we have moms demanding. think about the mike bloomberg money going up against this. it does not seem to change things. what we really need to look at, it's the massive lobbying efforts, the dark money, the money that supports republicans

that is pushed by these gun groups. >> obviously, the money is important. but i don't think it matters as much as the political dysfunction that we have. when 80% of the country wants to move in one direction, and 80% wants to go in one direction and republicans refused to go there, it is less about money. the democrats have plenty of money to spend on campaigns. there is plenty of money to go around and win these things, to do these things. we just have not been compelling enough. the voters have engaged enough on this issue. i think it's all responsibility as voters. but number two, i also follow the politicians. there has only been one politician that ran on this issue solely. and that was in georgia, lucy mcbath, in georgia. she ran on this issue because she had a child that was killed by a gun. she ran on this issue solely in a swing district in georgia. and she won. i think that politicians and people running for office need

to take this on and quit talking about whatever student loans or all the other things and take on the major issues that face america and run on them. i think voters will get engaged. again, it's incumbent upon voters -- one of the thing i will say that is so disturbing about this, that i would think would be an easy fix, this guy, he turned 18 and walked down to a local store. he walked down to a local gun store, as far as i can tell, in uvalde. he went into a gun store and he could not go to the local bar and buy a shiner bock beer when he turned 18. but he could buy a gun at a gun store. that's insanity. >> and if he bought a beer at a bar and then got a d y, the bar owner could get charged if he hurt somebody. here is my last question. if someone-y wanted to run, this makes -- and limited or no access to

reproductive care. >> i think that beto should run on that. it's completely opposite. what between beto and greg abbott. the attorney general candidates ought to run on that. the congressional candidates. every single candidate ought to be running on this. because texas, as many as other states, we have this every single year. and gun owners like myself would support that candidate if they came with a compelling message. >> and clint, if people want to wake up tomorrow and say, let's do something, what is something that would make us a little more protected? >> well, beyond the gun discussion, which matt clearly laid out, i think there's another thing we can be doing. and that's in the online environment -- there are many, and i mean many, of these individuals hyping up and talking about doing a shooting. the second thing i would

advocate for is that we oftentimes see, when we look at -- you know, we are going to return to the rearview mirror and everything is going to have indicators. there are things we should be looking for. whenever we see a mass shooting and we start seeing it pop up in terms of the media and social media, i think that is a great time for school administrators and law enforcement and local communities to go back and check their record books and see who has been reported or who have they gone out and talk to about potentially doing a school shooting or mass shooting? and what they have to at present? because there has been a very interesting pattern that tends to emerge. these things are not isolated events and these are angry young men. they do it at workplaces and at high schools. they are often known to the communities and i think that that is something we have to look at if we have a contagion effect. because we have to stop a contagion as things get out. >> contagion on the rise. ? we have to find out how to combat it. gentlemen, thank you so much for bringing your expertise

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massacre in uvalde, texas, continues after this. first, another plea from gun reform from the coach and golden state warriors, steve kerr. >> i'm not gonna talk about basketball. nothing's happened with our team in the last six hours. we're gonna start the same way tonight. i knew basketball questions don't matter. since we left shoot around, 14 children were killed, 400 miles from here. and a teacher. in the last ten days, we've had elderly black people killed in the supermarket in buffalo. we've had asian churchgoers killed in southern california.

now we have children murdered at school. when are we gonna do something? i'm tired, i'm so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families that are out there. i'm so tired of the -- excuse my -- i'm sorry -- i'm tired of moments of silence. enough! there's 50 senators right now who refused to vote on hr eight, which is a background check rule that the house passed a couple years ago, it's been sitting there for two years. there's a reason that won't vote on, to hold on to power. i ask you, mitch mcconnell, i ask all of you senators who refused to do anything about the violence in school shootings in supermarket shootings, i ask you, are you going to put your own desire for power ahead of the lives of our children, and our elderly

and our could churchgoers, because that's what it looks like. that's what we do every week. so, i'm fed up, i've had enough. we're gonna play the game tonight, but i want every person here, every person listening to this to think about your own child or grandchild, mother, father, sister, brother, how do you feel that this happened to you today? we can't get numb to this we can't sit here and read about it and go, let's have a moment of silence, oh dogs. come on maps, let's go. that's what we're going to do, we're gonna play baseball game. 50 senators in washington are gonna hold us hostage. you realize the 90% of americans, regardless of political party, want background check. 90% of us. we are being held hostage by 50 senators and washington, who

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turn off the lights, got on stage -- said the kids were all good, real quiet and it was they were supposed to do. -- >> why were you bringing flowers? >> she's retiring friday. >> oh, my gosh. >> yeah. first she's done, thank goodness. >> she was in planning for today to be her last day of school. that right there was a very sweet husband of one of the teachers inside the elementary school, during tuesday's horrific massacre. she was just trying to keep our students safe. i want to bring in texas state senator, roland gutierrez. senator, i want to say thank you. and you've been waiting to speak to us for almost an hour, this is been such a long and terrible day for you. i want to start with getting an update on the facts. at this point, can you confirm the number of deaths right now? >> yes, stephanie. right now, it's 19 deaths.

19 children, and of course, the three adults. >> so, it's 19 children, and how many adults? >> three adults, stephanie. i'm sorry, we're getting a big gust of wind. the weather is changing, as you and i are speaking, so i apologize. >> that's 22 people total? 19 children, three adults, plus the shooter. 24? >> the shooter is included. it's 22 altogether. >> 19 children, between second, third and fourth grade. that's ages 7 to 11? >> yes. mostly fourth graders. >> mostly fourth graders. that's ten-year-olds. two teachers, and the shooter. what can you tell us about the people in the hospital? do we know anything about their condition? >> so far, i've not been advised about the folks in the

hospital or their conditions. i was briefed by the texas rangers at about 5:30 today, when there was 18 children who had passed on. we knew then that this young man had purchased these guns. first thing he did on his 18th birthday, was go to a shop in uvalde, to buy these weapons illegally. it's a sad state of affairs in texas. instead of making it harder for people to access these kinds of guns, republican colleagues in the legislature have made it more difficult. when i hear to politicize this issue, were very sad for everybody, but at some, point as policy makers, we have to create significant change on how young man have access to these militarize weapons. he >> bought these weapons legally. do you know anything about that gun shop, about the person who sold him the guns? >> so, i'm now headed back to

san antonio, but i'll be back in uvalde tomorrow. that'll be part of my investigation, as we move forward. right now, my whole concentration is on making sure that the county and school district have the resources that they need, and psychiatric help for these families. that's first and foremost. we still have aggrievement counselors -- two years after that particular incident. this is something that's going to haunt the people in uvalde for months and years to come. we have to do our parts, as state policy makers, to make sure that this community has all the resources at its disposal, so they could get through this tragic loss. >> can i ask you, you had those grief counselors for two years since that tragedy, the people in your community, in texas, since that tragedy two years ago, until tonight, have you

seen voters raise their hand, make any push, even those who are gonna enthusiasts, we're hunters, make any push to change gun laws? >> we have seen a republican controlled legislature that is made it more and more easy for people to access these kinds of militarized weapons. i'm a gun owner, and i'm a hunter. when i talk to people that are similar enthusiasts, we don't go out there with ar-15s to hunt down here. that just doesn't happen like that. we have to have a really hard look at what we're doing in texas, what we're doing across the united states. i can imagine what people in the rest of the world of thinking about, when every two weeks, or every month, there is such a tragic event, as in the united states. i can imagine it because it only seems to happen here. we have to create some

significant change on this issue. the time is now. you heard from steve kerr and others on your show, one of my doing in austin if i'm not creating some kind of change? tangier, many of my constituents -- and even, i'm a democrat, but republicans want to see change on this particular issue when it comes to assault rifles. >> sir, thank you for everything you do. thank you for pulling over on the side of the road and waiting for us tonight. you had a long day, and you're gonna have a long day tomorrow. i really appreciate you joining us, states and injure roland gutierrez. do you hear that point that he made? he's a gun enthusiast, he's a hunter, i don't know much about hunting, but i don't think you'd be a very good hunter if you need ar-15 to do it. coming up, after every mass shooting, angry activists step forward gun control proposals but they basically go nowhere. we're gonna give you a reality check on possible solutions to

the violence, when our extended hours of the 11th hour continues.

as a nation of the nation, we have we, have to ask, when in god's name to, ask when in god's name are we going to ariana stand up to stand up to the gun the gun lobby. violence? when in god's name when will we will they do what we do when all know -- and are we know when you see them? going to be done? >> one group has been trying >>

one group for more than has been trying for more than a decade. 11 years ago, congresswoman gabby giffords was a decade, 11 year old told, shot and nearly congress died during phone shot nearly died during a political a political event. since event. since then, the difference then, the giffords law center has been fighting law center voting for laws, for policies, programs prevent there was. robin thomas is the group's executive director. robin, we know the reasons things are stalled and not working, but right now, for those who actually have hope that things can get better, or can be done tomorrow? >> we absolutely have to raise our voices at the state level, and the local level, most importantly, at the federal level. we talked about us in the past. until we pass federal regulation, state laws are asked to work, said orders of, course and guns will get into the wrong hands. absolutely need the senate to take up universal background checks. it passed the congress the years ago, so the congress has already voted on this, put it through, and the senate has even called it for vote.

a city of vote on universal background checks. we know we have the votes we need. it is the absolute foreign based on trolling need an order to be and regulating down sharply in this country. >> here's the issue, going, needle over likely gonna get overly far away. national progress has gone nowhere. but they're already states that approve their laws. is this a fight like everyone on local level? >> absolutely, having that loss, having star models with governments of regulation, states like new york, we have much more lower rates of gun violence and gun deaths. we show the model of this possible in this book a little. that pass the kinds of laws that most americans want. and i think percent of americans agreed to combat like on checks. elected it is just impaired representing our own constituents. >> okay, there's a front

second. another people ask discussion 1000 times. for me, and everybody else and that you seats, have 90% of americans support universal background checks, explain to me practically why that doesn't serialize, because i truly don't get it. >> i mean, that's just the way our federal government operates at this point. groups like the nra, the gun lobby, elected officials, to be honest, the republicans that they represent. that are in their pockets. they don't vote for their constituents want because the camera of lobbying interests, about the money they're getting from other groups. and the governor of texas sat next to weigh lob, we're out of the nra, beside legislation weakening texas gun laws just last year. the fact that he can send next to a lobbyist for the industry, assigned laws that put american lives at risk, it's despicable. it's absolutely insane to me that we see that. nobody's outrage that this hour

country runs. as the governor of the state can do that without a trace. >> so that we don't realize we're voting? for example, we might say inflation is my number one issue. and because it, is we forget about things like a control, and then those lawmakers will reelect slip and policies that no support. >> we will potential all issues, i mean when you're getting a lot of money from special interests on loving groups, you can be the name that's out there because you have money to run the campaign. you're able to when even when your policies aren't very good, it's action within the reduction. we have a way to go. >> 19 children were brutally murdered today, and two of the teachers. it could've been anybody's children across. the question is when will people make it.

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state. at sandy hook. and connecticut. no meaningful education is an post prevent an ex tragedy. >> 14 kids. that. an elementary school. when we do a? what are we doing. just days after the shooter walked to the grocery store, to kind of african american patrons, of another sandy hook. when we doing? normal shootings in days than a

year. our kids are living in fear. every single time they step foot in the courtroom. where? police penalties are from people being killed? a lot of increases we do nothing. what are we doing? why are you here? it's not available. these kids off the day. this all of a little country.

her of. . look as for the school. to be lost talk to kids and tell them hide from the body guys. doesn't get someone comes and shoots them. only nice a throwback. it is our choice. what are we doing? >> and sandy hook, the hat about the practice. south of a safe word, and they started south bat fall.

and they got nightmares during the day. they may or. the word was mike. and over and over kids would stand up and say monkey. i don't professional would say soak a guy. welcome to the russians. this committee in texas will never be the same. why are we here? if not struggling her that no one will do us and you're going through. a heartbreaking. bounce of love and parents and we are sending. why are you here?

why are we here? i'm here the bank you guys on my hands and knees. find the path forward please. help us these. don't forget about it in a week. don't forget about it tomorrow. i don't absolutely. but there's gotta be some way we can gather each other and stop people killing children. kind children's body. we need to stop killing children. it may not overnight be able to stop being able to kill children. but maybe if we try really hard, we can maybe stop killing children. we just have to do something.

the government is doing nothing. shooting after shooting. what are we doing? why are we here? me too. where we hear? what are we doing? >> sadly after correct the senator. when he said 14 children, hey guys saw 14, it's actually my children that died guys. 19 children actually died. i can't change the gun laws tomorrow, but i do know one way to combat hate. we're gonna wake up tomorrow, i will get a lot of more. i'm gonna care more. let's care more guys so children don't die