was killed in the classroom as well. her biography notes she was a fourth grade co-teacher with ms. mirales. ms. garcia leaves behind a husband and four children. joining us is kerry sanders. >> reporter: it's been a very troubling morning and really since last night for folks like lupe standing here with me, his 8-year-old son samuel was inside the school in a different area in the school. you're telling me, to understand how close knit this community is, those that died, do you know those families? >> yes. i know most of them, most of the parents and grandparents of the children. >> reporter: as you try to reach out to them and also hug your son, who thankfully got out

alive, what goes through your mind? >> it's heartbreaking. it's heartbreaking, because we never see anything like this in this community. it's hard for the families that lost a loved one to this tragedy. >> reporter: when you see this happen perhaps way too many times in our country, what do you ask yourself? what do you wonder needs to happen? >> i believe the government needs to get tougher laws on purchasing of guns. that's my main thing. >> reporter: that's not a new thought after this? >> no. i've always thought about it. they have to be strict on who owns a weapon. >> reporter: thank you very much. i know you're going to be in touch with those families in the

coming days, weeks, months and years. appreciate that. i saw this in parkland very close to my house that after something like this happens, it's not about those first days, which of course, are horrific. it is that it lasts a lifetime. and the connections for people helping each other out and recognizing the pain, it's a changed life, you know, for those who are left behind. i just know what these folks are likely to face, having seen it up close and personal in parkland. it's important to note that the investigators here, the department of public safety, say that here at the school they do have some video, which is going to allow them from the internal cameras to tell them a little bit about how this unfolded. they have identified that weapon, that long gun that he

had is an ar type weapon. i think i heard you mention that tactical gear that he was wearing. it wasn't just like a bulletproof vest. apparently it had pockets and sleeves where not only the armor could go, but also clips of ammo. the authorities, primarily the atf, will be now trying to trace not only the weapons, but also the ammunition to try to see if they can build a back story of how this all was collected, ammunition, guns. finally, the question is why, why did this happen? so what the detectives will do in this case, the texas rangers, is because the gunman is dead, they will look for a note, they will look maybe for some sort of video statement. but if they can't find that, they will talk to those who knew

him best, those who might be able to share some information. perhaps the person who knows the most is his 66-year-old grandmother who authorities say he shot. she right now is in critical condition. hopefully she pulls through. maybe if she pulls through, she can share some information to explain what triggered all this to begin with. >> the department of public safety telling us at nbc news the alleged gunman did live with his grandparents. they believe he shot her and she is in critical condition. no criminal history, they point out as well. mika, we know the victims have been removed from the school. all the families have been notified. right now 19 children dead and two teachers. >> we're awaiting word for those who are struggling in the

hospital. the massacre is front page across the country. the headline in the desert sun in palm springs, california, reads "horror at a texas school." the san francisco chronicle says to pray for the lost, their families and uvalde. in las vegas, the review journal headline is "19 kids gone." georgia atlanta journal constitution, "elementary school horror." in connecticut, nearly a decade after the nation's deadliest school shooting in newtown, the connecticut post says "enough is enough." michigan's grand rapids press headline reads, "as shootings mount, so does anger that it's happening over and over." back in texas, the headline from the dallas morning news has one

"again." >> president biden was returning home from his trip to asia when the massacre in uvalde happened. shortly after returning to the white house, he addressed the nation, asking where in god's name is our backbone, calling on lawmakers to stand up to the nra. kristin welker is at the white house with more. >> reporter: good morning on this grim day here at the white house and for our nation and in texas certainly. president biden spoke overnight in what was the most emotional remarks that i have heard him make and, frankly, the angriest. as you say, he did call on lawmakers to get a backbone, to do something about gun violence. he talked about the suffocation that you feel as a parent when you lose a child. of course, he has lost two children. he called for something to change. take a listen. >> what struck me was, these kinds of mass shootings rarely

happen anywhere else in the world. why? they have mental health problems. they have domestic disputes in other countries. they have people who are lost. but these kinds of mass shootings never happen with the kind of frequency they happen in america. why? why are we willing to live with this carnage? why do we keep letting this happen? where in god's name is our backbone? to stand up to the lobbies? time to turn this pain into action for every parent, for every citizen in this country. we have to make it clear to every elected official in this country it's time to act. >> reporter: it was just one week ago that president biden and the first lady visited that buffalo community that was

ravaged by gun violence, ten people gunned down there in a crime that's being called a racist attack against the predominantly black community. while the president was visiting that scene, he called on congress to renew its ban on assault weapons. there's almost no support for that in congress. now, it is worth noting that president biden was vice president during former president obama's administration when the sandy hook massacre happened. he was put in charge of trying to address this. in that instance, congress came close to passing expanded background checks, something more than 80% of americans report. but it fell short. president biden speaking from the white house on that day said all in all, it's a pretty shameful day in washington. the democrat from connecticut who represents the people of

sandy hook pleading with his colleagues to get something done. senator ted cruz reacting overnight as well, saying, the solution is not more gun reform, but rather to put more resources into law enforcement. we're going to see this debate get revived. the question is, will anything be different now? we are, again, talks about the nation's children. senator chuck schumer is trying to move forward on two house backed bills that would expand background checks, but it is hard to see those would pass easily. again, this all too familiar debate unfolding here in washington yet again as this nation is in mourning yet again. joe. >> thank you so much. a couple more newspaper headlines. "wall street journal" "gunman kills 19 at school." "new york times," "at least 18 killed at school." as i heard willie talking to

kerry sanders, the echoes of sandy hook are just so clear, the parallels, a disturbed kid shoots a family member and then goes on a rampage at school. this just keeps happening. these republicans, they're going to come one a thousand different excuses on why we shouldn't do anything. put more money into law enforcement? we've talked about that a lot. i'm all for that. fund the police. we've had security guards, we've had police officers, we've had people at the scene. they come in with military style weapons that are more potent than the weapons we gave our soldiers during vietnam, and they try to stop the gunman and they can't do it, because they've got body armor, because

they've got these weapons of war. i'm not exactly sure, are we supposed to put tanks outside of our schools? sit a resource officer inside a tank? again, the stupidity, the race to the bottom continues here. anything to stop having a reasonable, rational debate. reminding voters that 90% of americans support universal background checks. no, maybe that doesn't stop every killing, but it certainly starts the united states of america in the right direction, in the right path to keep guns out of the hands of killers. >> that is absolutely right. i think that in this midterm election year, this has got to be one of the central, if not the central issues, is gun control. what are we going to do about

gun control? we cannot continue to go from a buffalo to a texas shooting within two weeks. i mean, the president and the first lady two weeks ago in buffalo. what are they supposed to just stay on tour around mass shootings? this is how much we are normalizing this to where we can almost say, oh, we know there's going to be another one. the electorate need to vote out people that will not move. this ought to be the immovable central issue here, because clearly putting more money into law enforcement means nothing. as you said, there was a former police officer in the supermarket, tops supermarket in buffalo. there was law enforcement on the grounds at the school. they were outgunned. as long as you allow people to buy military weapons, putting law enforcement there is only adding them to the casualties,

not trying to stop the casualties from happening. >> as you know better than anybody, these horrible stories of these mass shootings in schools, in churches, in synagogues, at country music festivals, in grocery stores, what's what grabs all the headlines, that's what everybody reports about. but it's the death tolls week in and week out. you look at chicago, headlines about gun deaths over the past decade. it's just horrible. it keeps getting worse. other big cities, the same thing. that's why such a small percentage of those weapons used in homicides are used by people who actually bought the weapon from a gun shop. that's why universal background checks, expanding it, putting real teeth into the law that

expands universal background checks, that will help gun shop owners know that when they're selling a gun to somebody, they're not going to turn around and give it to a criminal who's going to go out and kill a 2-year-old in a gang war with a stray bullet that you tell us all about. you're doing funerals for 2-year-old kids, you're doing funerals for teenagers in chicago, in brooklyn that, again, are killed by guns that are fired by people who didn't purchase the guns legally. >> the gang bangers can get a gun. those that are in youth gangs, those that are in elicit trade, whatever issue you want to raise, because there is no background check. there is nothing more fundamental than having background checks. the gun lobby even prevents us from getting that, because they

want to be able to almost have immunity from whatever they want to sell. i think it is an outrage, but i think if we don't use the midterm election, i have very little confidence that we'll convert members of the senate and the congress that are sitting now. i do have confidence we can put in a senate and a congress that will do what needs to be done in light of where we are. >> yeah. mike barnicle, i want to put into words how maybe a part of how we're all feeling today, especially as you worked as a beat reporter and i worked in local news in hartford, connecticut. i covered horrible stories, babies drowning in bathtubs, triple murders, murder/suicides. then i went to the network and i covered 9/11. you learn not to feel. that's how you survive. i remember the line was sandy hook when i saw how my children

were so affected by it. that's the line where i thought i've got to feel. that's got to allow this to go over the line. and then this, honestly, we're so frustrating. i don't want to stop feeling. i don't want to survive this story and move onto the next. i don't want to move on. i don't think any of us want to move on until something actually happens. but there is kind of a desensitivization that we have as reporters. i'm sorry, but also in the age of trump where he kind of desensitized all of us to a lot of things that were unacceptable. it's time to actually stop and think and feel and expect something to happen. >> you know, mika, i'm sure, because i know you, that there were many of those stories that you covered. you'd cover professionally. you'd do your job, you'd file

the story and go home and cry at night. >> mm-hm. >> there are millions of americans crying at night now because of what happened yesterday. but the harsh reality is -- and we should address the harsh reality for those of you watching on television and those of you listening on your car radio, it's a reality that, sadly, all of us here at this table and so many of us around the country know as a reality. the reality is what's going to happen next. i can guarantee you what's going to happen next. there will be maudlin speeches on the floor of the senate and the house of representatives today. there will be sadness expressed by elected officials. there will be an nra convention in houston this weekend, and republican senators like ted cruz will attend that conference and they'll have something to say. there will be a moment of silence this weekend for the victims of this mass murder in

uvalde, texas. there will be candles lit and vigils held at dusk all throughout the country, tonight maybe, maybe this weekend. people will hold the candles, they'll tie ribbons around the posts and telephone poles in their towns to memorialize the victims of what happened yesterday in uvalde, texas. then fast forward, there will be ball games to go -- memorial day picnics to attend. there will be almost instant amnesia in this country about what happened, because there almost always is. and the senate and the house of representatives will get back to work. they'll come in after their latest recess, perhaps next week or the week after. and nothing will happen. nothing will occur. no legislation will be passed. no emergency will be met.

no lives will be memorialized ten days from now. it will be business as usual. that, ladies and gentlemen, is who we are. >> joe, we had that great conversation last week with our friend, a professor at princeton about is this who we are, the racist attack in buffalo. one of the things we were talking about around the table is to a generation of young people, what would in uvalde yesterday is who we are. that's just a reality. we all feel grateful that we live here. we got a lottery ticket by being born into this country. but if you're a kid who has spent a childhood doing a drill where you lock the door and hide in the corner, this is real. it is who we are. the question is, do we want to continue to live like this? do we want to live in a world where a kid can buy two ar-15

weapons on his birthday and kill a 9-year-old girl named amerie jo garza who was just named to the honor roll? and is this what we want to be? are we okay with this? i hope the answer is no. the question is, what are we going to do about it? >> when we were growing up, we would have drills in school, but they would be drills for possible nuclear attack coming from soviet russia, an intercontinental nuclear missile striking us. there was all very remote, very few concerns that was actually going to happen. today our children have drills because their next door neighbor

may go out and buy a gun in a local gun shop and come in and kill them, kill their friends, kill their teachers. it is a fear that our children and grandchildren live with every day. the question is, why is that okay with us? why are americans okay with that,when, again, almost 90% of americans, almost 9 out of 10 americans support universal background checks. and yet republicans block it. almost two-thirds of americans support the banning of the selling of military style weapons. i don't think that will ever happen. but the regulations to getting

those weapons could be raised so high that gun shop owners could be sure when they sold those weapons, they wouldn't be used to turn two second graders, third graders', fourth graders' bodies into mush. that's what's happening here. over the next couple days we're going to see all these rituals followed, we're going to hear prayers offered up. then we're going to see the stonewalling begin by republicans. and then we're going to see this again. because unlike other countries, it's really crazy if you think

about it. we are the exceptional nation. when we decide we're going to do something together, we do it. it happened in new zealand. people got gunned down in a mass shooting. they fixed it. they fixed it. look at australia. look at the steps that australia has taken. it works for australia. it worked for new zealand. maybe it wouldn't work for us exactly that way, but we are allowing politicians to stop us from taking the first step of a thousand-mile journey to keep our children safe, to keep christians sitting in pews safe,

to keep jews in a synagogue safe, to keep muslims safe, both in and out of their places of worship, to keep country music fans safe at music festivals, to keep americans safe in grocery stores, to keep americans safe at little league baseball parks. why do we put up with this? why do we put up with this? after 9/11, i remember watching the second tower fall, and i immediately called a friend and i said, whoever did this is dead, mark my words. the united states of america will not allow this to stand.

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question, after uvalde's shooting, will americans finally say enough? the editorial reads in part, our political conscience as a nation is so stunted now that we cannot even enforce laws that are on the books to stop these shootings. we cannot seriously discuss, much less legislate, common sense laws that could get broad agreement that might stop the next shooter. we cannot even agree that we should use the resources of the federal government to study gun violence. we believe in the right to bear arms, but every human right is balanced with human responsibility. no right is unlimited. every leading republican in this state has made more permissive again access a political cause, while doing precious little or actively undermining efforts to enforce existing regulation. it's time to reenact the restrictions on the federal

assault weapons ban that were so foolishly permitted to expire. it is time to limit high capacity magazines. really this moment comes at a time when gun sales, all types of guns, especially assault weapons and ghost guns are at record highs, exploding. >> they've tripled in the last 20 years. and they often spike after moments like this when people fear guns are going to be taken away. the houston chronicle writes, what kind of law and order state does so little to prevent the massacre of 18 babies in their own school, and who's going to do your job, governor, to secure our classrooms from mass shootings, when you continually refuse to do so? abbott pledged state resources to help uvalde heal and do everything necessary to make sure crime scenes like this are not going to be repeated in the

future. we have heard that before, writes the chronicle. it's time in texas, about said in 2018 after the shooting in santa fe, that we take action to step up and make sure this tragedy is never repeated ever again. we call on ordinary texans, some of whom will be watching the news and hugging their own babies tight, to take action. don't just sit there and say, my god, i have no words. yes, you do. go vote, go fight. those are all the words you need. that's from the houston chronicle. >> the san antonio express news says, by doing nothing to prevent gun violence, the nation chooses this pain. we are broken, a nation that cannot protect its children is broken. a nation where another mass shooting, this time another school shooting will only showcase how little resolve there is to stop the next one. it's broken. a nation not broken would not be so lax or unforgiving about those politicians in power who

do nothing to stem this violence. a nation not broken would do more to protect its children, protect the babies we claim to be our most precious resource. by doing nothing to prevent gun violence, we have chosen this hellish reality of repeated mass shootings. while the political gridlock has felt hopeless in terms of preventing gun violence, reducing mass shootings and saving lives, we owe it to these children and their families to keep demanding change. until that day comes, children, forgive us. >> opinions from across the newspapers in the state of texas. let's bring in the founder of moms demand action, shannon watts. she started the organization through a facebook group one day after the shooting at sandy hook elementary in connecticut. shannon, thanks so much for being with us this morning.

you were a mother of five yourself. you started that facebook group the day after sandy hook almost a decade ago. you have made this your life's work since then. we've been talking around the table about what to say to kids right now. we'd like to be able to say, don't worry, they're rare. they are and it just can't happen to you. but it's just not true. >> i know that it feels that way this morning. what happened in uvalde, what happened in buffalo and on and on and on and the daily gun violence that kills over 110 americans every single day feels unfathomable. yet, here we are again. i have a 26-year-old daughter who is an elementary schoolteacher in bloomington, indiana. today she will have to sit in that classroom and read a book to students about when bad things happen to try to explain this tragedy to children.

the onus is on us to act. i've heard so many people today on your show talking about what happens next. what happens next is that we get angry, that we fight. the republican lawmakers aligned with the nra want the clock to run out. it is up to us when this clock runs out. we are demanding action right now and we will keep doing it all the way through elections in november. we have been doing it for a decade. we have made huge progress in school boards and state houses and corporate board rooms, but we have to get these senators who are in a stranglehold by the gun lobby to act. we have to demand it. 50% of americans have been impacted by gun violence. if you haven't, god bless you. but if you are listening to this show today, find a piece of this work you are passionate about and work on it. we cannot give up hope.

we cannot say this is a hopeless issue. it is up to us to fight. >> i think that's a really important point, because we hear again and again sandy hook 20 kids were murdered in their classroom and nothing changed afterward. that's not necessarily true. people like you have fought to change laws across the country. can you talk a little bit about some of the progress that has been made in the last decade, obviously with some work to do. >> we are all waiting for and deserve a cathartic moment in the house. the first thing lucy did in 2018 was to help pass gun legislation through the house. we are waiting for the senate to act. in the meantime, we have passed background checks now in over 20 states. we passed red flag laws in 20 states. we closed the charleston

loophole in 19 states. we disarmed domestic abusers in 29 states. we stopped the agenda 90% of the time in state houses. this has been done by drips on a rock, by volunteers who show up and say not in my community you won't, you won't pass laws that endanger my children and my community. that's how this work happens. it doesn't happen on twitter. it doesn't happen in a two-day span. it happens when you act. i would ask everyone to text the word "act" to 6433. we will immediately tell you how you can get involved in your community to push back on the gun lobby. it is up to us when this clock runs out. it shouldn't ever run out. we have to hold lawmakers' feet to the fire. they have the power to stop this. data shows states with stronger gun laws have fewer gun deaths.

states with weak gun laws have more. it is intuitive. but lawmakers are making laws based on what gun lobbyists tell them. we have to make that stop. >> i want to underline a stat that you gave us all, because we see horrific tragedies unfold as we saw in texas yesterday or we saw in buffalo last week. that's what strikes us, what stops us in our tracks. but as you pointed out, 109 americans are killed by guns every day, or at least they were in 2018. that's the latest year that we have the stats for, 109 americans killed every day by guns. and yet, you are right, you all have made tremendous progress, but there are so many states

that are going backwards, that are talking about open carry, that are talking about no need for permitting, no need for training. it is a race to the bottom in other states, like texas. so what do texans do? what do americans do? >> you're exactly right, joe. we are only as safe as the closest state with the weakest gun laws. that's why we need federal action. we have stopped bad gun lobby bills like permitless carry in places like nebraska. but it's passed in 20 states. this would allow people to carry hidden handguns in public with no permit and no background training. it is opposed by police. it is opposed by the vast majority of americans. yet the gun lobby has forced

lawmakers to push it through. why? because it will sell more guns. this is an arms race. it's why a security guard, both in buffalo and in uvalde, were not able to stop armed gunmen from killing people. this is an arms race. so we must act in our state houses. we must have federal action. we know that good gun laws work. yet, as you said in texas, what have they done after suffering 4 of the 10 deadliest mass shootings in our nation's history? they actually rolled back gun laws. that's what the governor there did. we've seen this over the past decade. what started out as being called downright weird by the nra, open carry, has become a mainstream part of the gop platform. it is what is dictating their policy and agenda. it is up to us to stop it. >> shannan, the governor you

just mentioned is slated to speak at the annual nra meeting in houston this weekend. there are a number of high profile republicans slated to speak. i don't know if they'll make the decision maybe that it's not a wise time to go. if you could speak to that group, what would you say? >> have you no conscience? do you have any ethics or morals? how do you sleep at night? i saw that senator john cornyn has already said he had other obligations. if you look at over 20 years ago, almost to the day when columbine happened, there was going to be the nra annual meeting days later in colorado. we have heard those discussions, because there are tapes. they had a choice. they could back down or they could double down. they decided to double down. i would expect nothing less than to see them do the same this

weekend. i just want to point out that every year these elected officials who speak at the annual nra meeting, they are in gun free zones. why is that? they are afraid of being shot. yet they don't do a damn thing to make sure our children aren't shot in their schools and people aren't shot in grocery stores and churches and on and on and on. >> founder of mom's demand action shannan watts, thank you so much for being here today. i'm sure we'll talk to you again in the coming days. rev, senator cruz, governor abbott, former president trump all slated to speak at the nra in houston in the next couple of days. you're on your way back to buffalo to preach more. i mentioned ruth witfield, the 86-year-old grandmother. we talked about also the retired police officer. he was there doing his job. he fired at the 18-year-old, who was wearing body armor.

he's a hero. he lost his life. the people carrying out these attacks not only have these weapons they can get their hands on at 18 years old, but they're also wearing body armor which makes these horrific scenes much worse because the first line of defense can't stop them. >> they can outshoot the police or law enforcement, which is what happened in texas. when i was listening to joe and you talking about who we are, the thing that makes me even more fearful of who we are now is who we are becoming. i have a 3-year-old grandson. if he grows up where they're not even doing drills around nuclear assaults possibly happening, but where they're doing practice if the gunman comes in, we will begin to normalize the next generations to even a worse place than this if we don't stop these

politicians now. i mean, you mentioned i do eulogies. one of the hardest jobs to me is sit and tell families they have hope. i've got to do two funerals in buffalo this weekend. what am i going to tell these kids of the parent or grandparent that was killed? the only thing that gave me some kind of hope even this morning was seeing for 2 1/2 hours mika wiping her eyes from tears. it occurred to me that at least somebody cares. because i sit up in rooms now where politicians and preachers start saying, okay, how do we spend this, what are we going to do, like we're talking about people that are not human beings. this is real stuff. these are somebody's kids that got killed yesterday. this is somebody's grandma in buffalo. i think sometimes we get so insensitive that we allow the

insensitivity of people that sit in the u.s. senate. >> to your point, one of the reasons for that is we're five months into the year and there have already been more than 200 mass shootings in the united states. the nonprofit gun violence archive has counted at least 213 of these mass shootings, which is defined as a shooting in which four or more people were killed or injured. of those 213 mass shootings, at least 27 happened in schools. we'll be right back. happened is we'll be right back.

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the less they'll miss. but even if your teen was vaccinated against meningitis in the past they may be missing vaccination for meningitis b. although uncommon, up to 1 in 5 survivors of meningitis will have long term consequences. now as you're thinking about all the vaccines your teen might need make sure you ask your doctor if your teen is missing meningitis b vaccination. . hillary and i are profoundly shocked and saddened by the tragedy today in littleton. >> by southern california. >> oregon. >> newman, texas. >> parkland, florida. >> the prayers of the american people are with you. >> we are praying for them. >> laura and i and many across our nation. >> our entire nation with one

heavy heart is praying for the victims and their families. >> it's not just littleton. we know that. >> we have been through this too many times. >> too many years, too many decades now. >> as i said >> too many decades now. >> as i said, just a few months ago, and i said it a few months before that each time we see one of the mass shootings, our thoughts and prayers are not enough. >> school should be places of safety, and -- >> perhaps now, america would wake up to the challenge, if we could prevent something like this from happening again. >> yet. it keeming happening again, and again. i try my best. i frustrate a lot of you who

watch this show. when i do my best to try to be fair to both sides. even when that is difficult for the way some in my former party have conducted themselves over the past, five, six, seven years. i must say, there is no splitting the difference here. there is no king solomon splitting the baby here. this is all the republican party. if you want to know why the universal background check thaus support will never be voted on, it is because of the republican party. if you want to know why crazy laws may be passed in your state

that allow people to carry weapons of war openly, and if ron desantis has his way, without a permit. without any training. it is because of the republican party. they are owned by the nra, so we hear from presidents that can't pass legislations that 9 out of 10 americans support. that is from the recount. bring in the co-founder and director you served in the

florida legislate for eight years, i am curious. i talked to connecticut republicans: what pressures are on state legislators, and politicians to vote for sensible gun safety legislation that majority of americans support? >> when i was in the state senate, whenever there was a gun safety bill in front of you, you would only hear from the single issue nra voters, the voters who support gun reforms have health care, environment, education, when it comes to guns, those pro-gun voters are single issue voters, they can be activated with a push of the button. the nra in florida, doesn't have power because of money, it is because of voters, those

republican legislators have to worry about a primary. they are looking over their right frank. they can't win the republican primary, without support of the nra. until those who support gun reform, act like those who support guns. >> it is second to inflation, things like that? >> when you get to today, you get to the action that may or may not occur in the united states senate specifically, you think anything is going to happen? >> i don't. because i am like joe, i like to hope alive. it is not about what will happen

between now and november. what dave said is right without one exception. money is part of it. the question of who gets primaried, how republican politics work, it is the fear of the nra says to you, we have an army of voters who we can turn against you, and a bunch of money, to get you if you stick with us. the cash they get from gun manufacturer, that is the carrot. the stick is, we will turn the voters and beat you in the primary. the ohm way for it to change, is to mobilize, activate, make the issue, not just an issue that you say it is the first or second issue, it is about a

value, guns are important, number two on my list. salience is what do you march for? put people in your car to, drive them to election day? the stuff that mobilize people. when they care enough about it to make it the one or two important issue, the only way is to beat those candidates, it is being a republican candidates, the only way for it to change is to unseat people who are opposed to gun remove, and break the nra back. until you start winning elections on the issue, it won't change. they are all going to an nra convention in texas this weekend. unrepentent. without changes that dynamic, get those people out of office, nothing will change. >> texas attorney general kim paxon is calling for a program

to help teachers help to defend schools in the wake of the shooting. he said this in the last 24 hours, he believes that there should be a quote program in texas that allows teachers and school districts, to train teaching to defend the school as well. he suggested bringing in trained police officers to help. my god. >> there are school resource officers on site. there was one yesterday on site. i would say, the attorney general, they did defend the school. the two fourth grade teachers wrapped their bodies around their students and lost their lives because of it. the only thing to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. that is -- florida passed a law similar to that four years ago, that does allow teachers to be armed after training.

that was window dressing, what really had impact, that law was accompanied by a red flag law, to take guns from those who are a threat to themselves or others. if the age for owning weapons was 21, this tragic wouldn't have happened in texas. >> republican party, said that teachers are in favor of grooms our children, to make them prey for pedophiles and teach them critical race theor -- the internal -- >> their names, mothers themselves, died in a classroom with their students. 19 sets of parents dropped their kids off, kiss, hug, don't

forget your lunch, i will see you at 3:00. the next they heard about their student, who was they were killed inside their classroom with a couple of days left in the school year. >> we have a political party in america that rails against conspiracy theories and things that don't exist and make them top issues when they don't have the courage to actually face those very things that are the real issues. that are killing our children. killing our grandparents, that go to grocery stores, that are killing our loved ones, that go to worship jesus at church. killing our friends in synagogues, killing americans, day in, and day out. the last count, in 2018, 109

americans killed by a gun every day. we can do better. we have to do better. we will do better. we have to put pressure on those who can vote to make a difference. jose diaz-ba latter picks up from texas right now. >> good morning, it is 10:00 eastern, 7:00 pacific, it is 9:00 here in uvaldy, texas. 19 pressure children and two teachers were murdered in a senseless act of evil here. i have to tell you, i have been thinking, i don't know what to say at this moment. i don't