good morning, another hour of coverage, live from uvalde, texas, it's 11:00 a.m. eastern and 10:00 here on the ground. there is a mix of emotions, of sadness, numbness, also demands for answers, the community here is in morning, just last hour behind me, people were gathered right behind me singing amazing grace right now, the timeline of what happened during the shooting is a big focus, the texas department of public safety says the suspect was on the premises for about 40 minutes, and we have this new video of the scene outside that school, appearing to show people pleading with law enforcement officials. >> y'all can't be like that, man, there's people -- >> yes, i do! >> get across the street!

>> i'm going to go into the gate and get them! >> [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> you know that there are kids, right? they don't know how to defend themselves! >> we should note it's unclear exactly at what point this video occurred, and what actions that law enforcement was taking at this moment. we have reached out to the department of safety and the director previously said the government was engaged immediately, and two officers were wounded, meanwhile, the suspects neighbor is sharing new details from before the rampage at the school. >> i heard two banks, two shots i looked around and i couldn't see nothing. all of a sudden the door opens,

and he comes out. the next thing she was all bloodied. >> you are talking about his grandmother. >> she called me beto. >> with me here in uvalde is national correspondent gabe gutierrez, gabe, talk to me about what the community is dealing with and the many questions it's asking. >> certainly, josi, as you been reporting, the community is trying to come to grips with this unimaginable loss, 19 children, two teachers, more details are coming out about the victims, the focus is also shifting to the many unanswered questions, the timeline, that we still have yet to get full details on, from the texas department of public safety, as well as local officials. as far as we understand it, the first reports of the gunmen came at 11:30 local time, but

what happened over the next 40, potentially 60 minutes, that is the only timeline we've gotten so far, really, from the texas department of public safety, the director was asked how long the gunmen had been there before officers and law enforcement officials made the decision to go in? rose, as we understand it, one officer engaged with the suspect as he was entering the school, we also don't have clarity on what that word engaged means, did he just shout out to him, shots fired, did he confront him in some way, physically, we don't have those details just yet and that is what authorities are being pressed on. according to the investigators, what we've heard so far, he then went into the double classroom, locked himself inside and the carnage unfolded, the 19 children killed inside the classroom, fourth grade classroom, these two teachers who have been working together for several years. they passed away, now

the question is did the gunmen opened fire as soon as he was in the classroom, that he opened fire when you may have heard officers approach him? that, we just don't know. we have heard from customs and border protection and they say one of their elite tactical teams, several members of that team managed to go inside. at least 4 from the team, one of them holding a shield, the others, discharging their weapons, customs and border protection's does say that the person who fired the shot, apparently as far as we know, shot and killed the gunman. that person is not among the wounded. there was one of those officers that was wounded but again, those details, we've heard conflicting reports, right now, this morning, the texas department of public safety and other officials are being pressed for those answers. how long was the gunmen inside and the questions that we are hearing from parents, you just play that horrifying video, parents so frustrated, you can

only imagine what some of them must've felt like looking at that, those parents are still wanting answers this morning. >> a little while ago at our last hour, we were speaking with an msnbc news correspondent that spoke to a teacher that was near the classroom and she said it was quote the longest 35 minutes of her life, because she had her students could hear the children screaming. >> i read that piece as well from our colleague on one of the things that stuck out to me about that, she said the children in her classroom have practiced these types of drills for years, and just think about that, josi, children in this country now, so used to the active shooter drills that they almost instinctively knew what to do, but they must have been so terrified when this carnage was unfolding. >> imagine the other classroom. and i'm thinking, because if, during this 35 minutes, he could hear the children in the other classrooms screaming, and again, those moments can blend

in time but it would seem as though the gunmen entered that room and there was screaming for some time. >> the trauma is unimaginable. >> let's talk about this, and the whole issue of engagement, what does engagement mean? and what happened after that engagement? what are some of the protocols that police, in general, practiced on a specific incident like this? >> typically, we've got some time with the nypd a couple of years ago as an example as part of the story that lester holt did on becoming a crc officer, critical response command, those are the heavy weapons teams that you see around various tourist and sensitive sites in new york city. we spent time focusing on the

active shooter training and in the course of that, we were able to not only see the training but get a sense from them as the types of things they would think about and this extends not just to the heavily armed teams in new york city but also patrol officers and there's many other police departments that have the same type of protocols in place, what are they? the first thing is, if you are aware of an active shooter, whether it's her second day on the job, and all you have is your semi automatic firearm on you, or whether you are an experienced heavy weapons type trained officer, you've got to engage. you've got to quote, push the fight, that's what they say in law enforcement, you've got to engage the shooter, two things there, of course you could end this person from potentially harming or potentially harming anybody else but you also draw their attention away. if they are being fired upon, they've got to focus on that,

and it would stop shooting adults and children as we saw, several days ago. so that's kind of the idea, now, there is a difference between we are talking about military weapons or, there's a difference between military tactics and law enforcement tactics, you can't just fire at will, to suppress, but if somebody is firing at you, or firing to kill others, that does give you the ability to use that lethal force. so that's what law enforcement officers are trained to do, typically, across the country. all that comes from what happened at columbine, the thinking prior to and on the day of that horrific shooting, was the idea that you know what, wait for s.w.a.t. to arrive, wait for the specially trained teams, the people we are seeing running on- screen that have the weapons, have the protection, wait for them to arrive and then they can engage, but what happened that day, is the shooting just

continued inside of the high school. and at some point, eventually s.w.a.t. goes and, obviously, but the damage has already been done and kids have already lost their lives, so that thinking changed after that too, whoever gets there, get a quick team together, get inside that school, get inside that building, whatever it may be an start to engage the shooter, so the idea is you have perhaps 1 to 2 officers together, to go in, maybe it's even one officer to engage that person. the question i gave is focused on i think, is the key one, when we say engage, what are we actually talking about here? to me, it means to confront and if that individual is going to use that weapon, to use your weapon and immediately start firing back. was the weapon physical, we

could go on for the next 10 minutes which is questions i would ask, but we do need more clarity from authorities in texas to understand what exactly happened here in that timeline, it would be so critical. at this point, at the state and federal level, that timeline does not exist and we should note that this is right now a state led investigation so it's not as if the fbi should have one, at this point, nobody seems to have it. >> just on the issue of establishing a parameter, if you don't know if it's one gunmen or many, it makes sense to establish a parameter to try and determine what's going on but if there was engagement, even if it was verbal, before, that means there were eyes on one person going into the building. number 2, it was an ar 15, it's not something that the person could have underneath a shirt on their waistband, so it seems as though, there was some clarity at least initially, on how many, and what they had.

>> another point that we should make, josi, this is a school district that had doubled its security budget over the last several years, since the shooting back in santa fe, back in 2018, across the state of texas, there was an increase in the security budget and the question is, were those measures, did they make any sort of difference, and in this case, sadly, it appears that they did not, but that's another one of the questions, were enough security measures in place with enough training in place, to adequately prevent something like this from happening again? >> time is critical in these moments and i think tom winter and gave gutierrez for being with us. today would have been the last day of school here, for teachers and students at the elementary school, normally filled with looking back at memories of the school year gone by but now this tightknit community is morning, and warning the 19 children and two

teachers whose lives were cut far too short. >> overnight, this extremely tightknit community shattered by gun violence, coming together to pray. at a mass commemorating the 21 innocent lives lost. >> my heart breaks for them and for everybody. we are such a small community, that it really is like everybody knows everybody here. >> a separate vigil held at a local rodeo fairground. >> the people of this community, we love each other. >> authorities identify the 19 children and two beloved teachers killed, confirming all of them were gunned down in a single classroom., garcia and eva mireles, friends and co- teachers for the last five years. garcia, molding young minds for more than two decades.

perilous family sharing how investigators say she sacrificed herself, using her body to shield and protect her young students. her heartbroken daughter writing on facebook, mom, you are a hero. i keep telling myself that this isn't real. i just want to hear your voice. among the children was promising lives were cut short, eliana torres, a student and athlete who was never far from a sci-fi field soft bifid -- softball field. 10-year-old josi florez jr., his uncle writing, i still can't believe this happened. my heart is broken. >> she told lester holt, she heard the shooter. >> what do you want people to know about what you went through? it was very scary. at first we didn't know what was happening but then we realized it and everyone started panicking. >> the archbishop has called

the uvalde area home for years and said this grieving community, now, needs the nation's prayers. >> when you meet a family was just lost a child, what do you even say? >> just embrace them. >> with me now is suzanne, a national reporter for nbc news online and nbc news latino. it's always a pleasure to see you. you've been speaking with a lot of the families of survivors, and people who were part of this horrendous event, but survived. >> i wrote about this this morning, and it's a really interesting situation because i spoke to and aunt whose niece died but hurt daughter was at the school for the awards

ceremony and she survived, they picked her up early, she wasn't there for the shooting, she went home early, her husband, roland, was there as well, and he saw the niece and said hi, she had this happy smile and said hello back and they are having to deal with this, very conflicting feelings of joy that their daughter was in there but you know, the horror of having lost their niece this way. and i was at the vigil last night and i talked to another couple and their daughter also was there. and she was in another side of the building and she heard all the shots, she hid under the desk and she told me they heard a teacher banging on the door and the teacher couldn't n because they were on lockdown, and her daughter survived.

and she's now having to deal with, how am i able to be happy about my child at the same time, i'm so sad about these children that were lost. i feel selfish in both of these women used the word selfish. >> as you say, it's so difficult, so conflicting, just the dichotomy almost, of life and death, guilt and happiness, this is such a tightknit community. 90% of the students and teachers it's 90% latino, a community that prays together but right now is mourning today. >> we were both in el paso when el paso happened and there's a very large latino immigrant, the children of immigrant population there, this is a mexican amusement american community, these are people who had roots in this area that goes back for years, so, there are a lot of people who are related, and connected through extended family, so it's not only just a tightknit community, they are family, and

a young man i spoke to yesterday said, i went to robb elementary, that's a family school, my sister went, my brother went, and that in motion makes it much more multiplied and what's really troubling is when i talk to rosa, she went to hurt catholic church who was -- >> sacred heart. >> she went, she took her children because her children were having nightmares, one of them woke up yelling to a friend, hide under here. another one thought she had found all the missing children. so, she's in counseling but she wasn't sure how she was going to get long-term counseling. i know you had a spot earlier about this, would she be able to afford it, this is another thing about this community, this is a working community.

>> it's always great to hear from you. i thank you, in these difficult times. it's important we talk about these people. >> thank you. >> this is a town where everybody knows everybody, the doors are open, you can go in and get a cafi, how are people going to recover from this? we talk to the justice of peace for uvalde next. and why one of the survivors of the park when shooting says he is hopeful about new gun legislation. >> my niece was able to be there and she notified us as a father i want to be there.

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22 past the hour. i want to show you a little bit closer, a closer look at what we see right here where we are. the school is right there. people are coming, virtually, around the clock. 21 crosses, 19 children and 2 teachers who lost their lives here. and it's just prayer, people are bringing flowers, balloons, putting it on these crosses, crosses that we saw outside of

the massacre in el paso. crosses that are put up for those 19 little boys and girls who lost their lives, families, as well. little boys and little girls, come, as well. i just want to share this with you as we see this, as we were coming to this location today, as we begin our morning, we go round uvalde, and just talk to people that are around, and we were coming right up to robb elementary school a lady and her husband were leaving, and my producer and i were walking

towards this place, and they had just been at this memorial site. they had just been here, praying, and i hope i don't violate her privacy by just sharing that as she walked past us, she was in tears and her husband was holding her and she said, my little baby, i lost my little baby. this is happening, constantly. constantly, because, there are 21 people who lost their lives, 21 families, who lost a loved one, 21 families, who are waking up, again, without the loved one, that they saw come here, just two days ago, dropped off at school, to teach, or to be taught, in safety and security and joy,

with the hope that these 48 hours that were left of the school year would be one of remembrance and festivities. today the remembrance, it's another remembrance, and it's a time of mourning for so many, and it's incumbent on everyone here, to help heal. one of the people that are helping to heal, and that have that responsibility is diaz, he's uvalde justice of the peace, tuesday, mr. diaz was asked to help and identify the bodies of the 21 victims after tuesday's school shooting. mr. diaz, i think you for being with us. this is such a difficult time for everyone and what you have to do, what you

have to see, what you had to sign, is unimaginable. how are you, how are you doing? >> i'm holding up, it's been almost 48 hours now, mixed emotions, it's been a tough time, i mean my job, when i was called out to the scene i was under the impression due to the rumors around town whenever the ambulances were running around time, it was going to be 2 to 3 people, when i got there, of course, i saw 16 or 17 children and like i said, my heart dropped and at that point i knew this was not anything i could ever imagine happening. but at that point, i've had a

lot of support and i know we are a small county, we don't have a medical examiner, so my duties as the justice of the peace for the state of texas,, we are in charge of handling what they call unintended death, people not admitted to the hospital or nursing homes or hospice, we are the ones who are going to sign the death certificate and determine the manner and cause of death. but at that time, when i got to the scene, i had a meeting with the texas rangers and we agreed we were going to reach out to the bear county medical examiner, dr. molina, folks on the phone, she asked that she, i'm grateful that she did show

up about an hour and a half, she made her way to the scene, to access assess what we were saying, of course, the whole group, the rangers, the police, the school police chief, it was a group of effort of people who worked to identify the victims because, children don't have a piece, they don't have anything, so we have to make sure that we identified the right person, so again, we were tasked to go out and get information from the parents, pictures, descriptions of what they might be wearing, what they looked like so we could kind of matchup close to who they were and know who they

were before we signed the order to send them to the bear county medical examiner. so we went through that process of making sure, ensuring that everybody was desperate >> i'm sorry to interrupt, and i do this of course, with the underlying profound respect and sensitivity for what happened here and for the families that have to deal with this but i'm just, i'm just wondering, when you saw what you saw, and you dealt with what you dealt with, how do you in your own mind see it? how do you describe it to yourself?

>> the worst nightmare that i could imagine. in the moment, once i said it in my mind, i was called out at 2:31 by the time i went -- i had prepared myself to be as professional and thorough as i could be. this is my job. it was something i had to do. and i have to show respect and i have to respect the parents and the loved ones, the survivors and have to treat the victims with respect and making sure i get them to the right person, to get this process done as quickly as i can. bear county medical examiner,

they released 10 of the victims back to their families, to the funeral homes, so they could make arrangements. we will have 10 more of the victims being released now and being released back to uvalde and then two more, i will have the 21 victims back to their families, back where they belong , and at that point, of course, it doesn't stop because at that point the families have to make arrangements with the funeral homes, and the grieving process continues because at that point, you know, i could only imagine the distraught of having to do a funeral service for a child, for your child, a parent, have a senior in high school who set to graduate

tomorrow and i have a child in eighth grade. this school means a lot to me, i went to robb school, my kids went to robb school, this is something we would have never imagined in 1 million years, and it's going to be a long process of healing and again, for me, personally, i go through the motions, during the day and i break down during the evening, but try to be strong to make sure that i do my job because the families are counting on me to get their loved ones back and bring them back to uvalde. >> justice, thank you, thank you, with capital letters. these families are going to have to now face what mr. diaz

was saying, the unimaginable, to bury a child, what parent ever thinks of the possibility of burying a child. i'm wondering how a lot of these families are going to not only just cope with the distraction that occurs in the soul when you lose a child but again, now you have to bury your child and i don't know where the money is going to come from. this is a hard-working, working community. we are going to take a short break and we will be right back. you are watching jose diaz- balart. you are watching jose diaz balart.

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to leave at these 21 crosses. we are in uvalde, just outside robb elementary, and we are learning this morning about discrepancies, discrepancies of whether a school resource officer who approached the gunman as he entered the school, what happened, they are saying it took 45 minutes up to 60 minutes, once the gunman was in, before the situation was resolved, it follows an earlier claim from officials that the shooter was wearing body armor, those were the reports, later they corrected that thing he was wearing a tactical vest which may be, could have had some protection without a ballistic plate, that's involved and that's normal, the stories involve, as the information comes out. i want to talk to cedric alexander, the former public safety director in a county in

georgia. thanks for being with us. i want your thoughts on this. officials say it could be anywhere from 40 to 60 minutes between when the shooting began, to when law enforcement officials shot the gunman. what are some of the questions that you have, when you hear this question mark >> -- >> i can't hear you. i think you may be on mute, can you check that -- >> i've got you now. >> i appreciate that. >> 40 to 60 minutes, what are your thoughts? >> my first thought is this, and we always have to keep this in mind, jose, when you have a school shootings such as what we all just experienced there in uvalde. i've been there, i saw it back

in 2013, a school shooting into cobb county, georgia, of course, i think it's important to remember that you have a lot of phone calls coming in, you have responding officers coming from all parts of your city, your county, your state, your fellow agencies. they are getting to the scene as quickly as the notification is advising them, so it's really kind of hard to speculate the sequence of events until a full and thorough investigation of these statements that are being made, as to when and where law enforcement showed up, because, in these types of incidents, in these types of cases, certainly, you may have school resource officers on the scene, you may have officers arrive there in a matter of minutes, they may go into the school, they may do initial search following gunfire, there's a lot we don't know as of yet. so, depending on who the witnesses were, when they arrived to the scene, what they observed, from what angle, where they were on the campus in the school, that information may vary, but i think the only way we are going to get to conclusion of how police

responded, but we cannot minimize the fact that when they did respond, they exchanged gunfire and they put the subject down. so the sequence of events, that still yet to be determined, so, for me, i try not to get too far ahead of any further speculation because you are going to, here again, you're going to have a lot of witnesses who have been served a lot of different things in a very stressful situation, such as a school shooting. >> cedric alexander, thank you for being with us this morning. the question so many people are asking, is there a path for gun reform proposal? we will talk about the next, you are watching you jose diaz-balart. balart. ♪

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garrett, you just spoke with texas republican congressman tony gonzalez who represents uvalde, what did he have to say? >> he grew up near this area, so we talked a lot about what kind of community uvalde is and he had the same expense that you and i had, which is everyone who you meet in the community know someone who was affected by this and we tried to talk about potential solutions. he talked me about ideas like trying to harden schools in texas or trying to improve access to mental health services in texas which ranks last in the nation for access to those kinds of services and i tried to ask him about guns,

if there's any kind of legislation he would support. i asked him three times, why he felt was necessary for an 18- year-old in texas to be able to buy an assault rifle, three times, he declined to answer the question directly. and i asked him about one of the specific pieces of legislation that is being discussed on capitol hill, the idea of simply incentivizing states to put their own extreme risk potential order or the red flag law into place to try to take guns out of the hands of people thought to be dangerous by courts or doctors. here's what he said about a vote on that kind of legislation. >> the house votes on a bill to incentivize states like texas to put in place red flag laws. would you support that. >> right now, democrats control the house, democrats control the senate, democrats control the white house, what is that mean? any piece of legislation they would want, they can pass, so the democrats, if they truly wanted to support gun control, they could pass that today. >> fungus men i know how congress works -- >> well democrats control everything, why have they not pass anything. that gets into politics, i'm here to support the community. my energy is on the community. >> the congressman is wrong on two counts, the house of course

passed that universal background checks where it sits in the senate, they are planning to pass the red flag law, federal red flag law the week they get back from the current memorial day recess. >> thank you very much. i appreciate it. the question so many people are asking today, well anything ever change? up next i will talk to parkland survivor david hogg and why he says that he is cautiously optimistic that there will be some sort of action. action. yes! when life's doors open, we'll handle the house. ♪ ♪ if you're on medicare, it pays to check the singlecare price before you fill your next prescription. i think we got it. don't overpay for your prescriptions. check singlecare price. you might just save up to 80% on your meds.

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right outside robb elementary school. they are continuing to come to pray, to leave flowers. he is bringing a stuffed dog and a bouquet of flowers. i want to bring in david hogg. he was a student in parkland, florida, when a gunman killed 17 people in february 2018. he is co-founder of march for our lives. david, thank you.

i wanted to just -- i've been looking forward to speaking with you. i want your thoughts on, first, you know, we see this, right? that gentleman with a stuffed dog and the flowers. how do you process this? >> you can't. you really can't, honestly, because this is something that never should have happened. it shouldn't have happened in columbine, at sandy hook, at buffalo, in parkland, in texas. it shouldn't happen anywhere. unfortunately, this does every day. honestly, more than anything, put aside politics, this is heartbreaking. i've been doing this since i was 17. my sister has been doing this since she was 14. we lost four friends. now we are college students. next year i will graduate from college. that's how long i have been doing this.

it's heartbreaking. i want to see this stop. i know all of us, democrats, republicans, gun owners, non-gun owners, we don't want to see this continue. >> i keep thinking about that, david. i keep thinking about, it's almost as though it is becoming a constant. >> it is. >> what a terrifying thought and more terrifying reality. david, why? how can this stop? you talk about it so eloquently about, it's got to stop. how does this stop, david? >> jose, i'm going to state it as clearly as i can. i have studied this. i have been reflecting on everything we have done since the march. what this comes down to is americans not to accept this as normal. i don't care what side you are on. we have to save our kids. we cannot accept this as normal.

that's why march for our lives is doing another march. we are asking americans from across the country of all political sides, regardless whether or not we agree on everything, we do agree on the thing that's important is that this must stop. we must demand congress acts. that's why on june 11th, we are going out there and we are marching around the country. we need people to join us. gun owners, non-gun owners, young people, old people, middle-aged people, everyone. the way they can do that is to text march to 954954. the reality is, this is a human issue. these are our kids. in texas, these are babies. they don't have the vernacular or vocabulary to describe what they have gone through. they are voiceless because of them being so young. we have to work as americans,

even if it's in a small way on something. i believe based off conversations i'm having at a high level with senators and different members around the country that i believe that something can happen. the way that that's going to happen is we need the media to continue paying attention to this and to show that this isn't a political issue. this is a human one. it's like cigarettes. we still have people that die of lung cancer. the ultimate reality is that we focus on the cigarette industry. it made it people don't want to smoke nearly as much. i'm aiming for something that's a coalition of americans coming together from all sides to focus on what we can agree on to save our kids. >> june 1st is the day you announced. thank you. >> june 11th. >> oh, june 11th. i stand corrected. thank you david.

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