and we are keeping our eye on this live picture from texas in the next 30 minutes. you can watch "chris jansing reports" at 1:00 eastern on msnbc. katy tur is here to pick up our coverage. great to have you. >> it's good to be with you. the investigation into the attack at robb elementary school in uvalde, texas is under way. the first report of that gunman approaching the school came around 11:30 a.m. local time on

tuesday, but the gunman was not killed until just after 1 p.m. initially the texas department of public safety said the resource officer at the school fired at the gunman but steve mcgraw, director of the texas dps said he did not. >> it was a brave, independent school district resource officer that approached him, engaged him. at that time gun fire was not, changed. confronted him. he followed him right in immediately. >> so if this version of events is accurate, that means an armed school officer responsible for the safety of the children and teachers inside saw a man dressed in tactical gear carrying an assault rifle and did not use force to stop him

from entering the school and killing 19 children and two of their teachers. nbc news reached out to texas dps for comment previously. the director said the gunman was engaged, quote, immediately and that two officers were wounded. inside the school a teacher heard gunshot as end of year celebrations were in full swing. speaking to nbc news on the condition of anonymity, she described what followed. she shouted for her kids to get under their desks and sprinted to lock her classroom door. the children did exactly as they were told, she said. they'd been practicing for this day for years, the teacher said, referring to the active shooter exercises. as the children huddled under their desk staying quiet as their wounded classmates waled from down the floor, the teacher sat on the floor in the middle

of the room. she tried to be calm for them. what followed, she said, was the longest 35 minutes of my life. just down the hall, third grader chance chance heard the shots as well. >> everybody was scared. we didn't know what was really happening. what we saw were thousands of police coming into the cafeteria and we were automobile hiding behind a stage in the cafeteria when all that we saw were like policemen, nothing else, like helicopters just going everywhere. we had to leave the school. >> outside of the school, parents were already waiting, desperate to find their children but they were held back by officers on the scene. this video shared on facebook

shows families frustrated by the police response. parents could be seen and heard yelling at the officers to go in and save their children. it was unclear when this video was taken and what actions law enforcement were taking at the time. joining me is nbc news correspondent kerry sanders from uvalde and correspondent tom winter. so the more we hear about this, incredibly, kerry, the harder it is to comprehend. i want to focus on the parents first. the parents were trying to get inside and they were begging to move. they said the officers were not prepared and they were not responding as quickly as they should have. what are you hearing on the ground about what happened? >> well, i'm hearing similar stories and you have to understand parents anxious, i mean, this is their precious

child inside. at some point they heard gunfire. some said, look, i'll give my life, i want to get inside there. we're going to get a detailed after action report at some point to understand whether the officers' decision to keep the parents from breaking the windows and climbing in themselves or somehow getting in there whether that in any way saved those adults' lives and whether they would have actually been able to get into the classroom, which was door shut, door locked, we understand. what might they have been able to do. but the anger is there and it quite understandable. people feel that something should have been done and they're second guessing. you know, some of the answers to these questions are going to come -- you can see the podium over my shoulder here. the dps spokesman is going to be speaking shortly, and i think probably what we'll get back to is the very first thing he may address is what you started with

here, which is what that school resource officer did or did not do and whether the weapon that that officer has was used or not. and it's important to note that while we hear conflicting stories, there are neighbors here who say they heard and saw that fire resource officer fire a shot while others did not say they saw that. you can't help but think back to parkland where the deputy there, scott peterson, stayed out and didn't go in and may have made a difference there and now the same similar question here, katy. >> it's giving me chills just thinking about it. thank you. the news conference that we're waiting for which was originally scheduled to be at 1:30 eastern time here in new york and then 2 p.m. is now going to be 2:30. this is according to an update that we have from local officials down there. owe in about 25 minutes we're

going to be watching that podium and we will go there as soon as they start talking, tom, because we want some answers about this timeline. usually 48 hours out we know exactly what happened. i was just listening to carmen bess, former police commissioner, saying you have all this logged. >> the texas department of public safety says video does exist at the school. they had some sort of security camera system, even if the cameras don't cover every single exit or entrance, we should have some sense of what happened here. i think the key question here and i have to give credit to our colleague jonathan. were any of these wounded students inside the same classroom that the shooter was in? if so, it raises serious questions as to why the response took so long. let me walk you through this.

if the shooter gets in that classroom and we have to remember the newtown shooting, it was less than ten minutes that that entire episode was over, 154 rounds were fired. it is possible that this horrific death toll could have all been done within several minutes, at which point if he's the only one in there, perhaps they waited to make sure they had everybody in place to be able to get this person. but if some of the wounded kid are from that classroom, this is the big question. it means that time was wasted, did any die while they were wounded? were any of these kids in a position they could have been rescued or taken out or an attempt to save their lives could have been made. that is a central question and i hope we get that question asked and answered because the time period needs to be understood. >> it was a long time that shooter was in there.

he was carrying a.r.-15 style weapon. i want to be clear for our audience, what do you hide behind to protect yourself from an a.r.-15 style weapon? do the cops have those readily available? is that what the school resource officer has? >> i don't want to get into a debate about ted cruz about it. i've seen the video. i've seen what happens when a round fired from an a.r.-15 hits the desk, hits the door. the bottom line is the bullet goes through. there would have been nothing that would have sheltered these children. it is our understanding knowing there could be young kids watching this as well as some of the family members of the victims, we don't want to get into certain details but details have been told us about the

depravity of the shooter. >> if you have a beating heart and you can hear the words you're saying, it is tough, regardless of anything. >> 100%. so when you look at this shooting and what occurred there, i think a few more questions could be asked. there may have been windows in that classroom. was that an opportunity to engage this individual? >> and so far as we know he was not wearing body armor. >> that's correct. initially from the texas department of public safety, they said he was wearing body armor. they changed that to wearing a tactical vest. that could include plates. look, you see them in the military. they include a ballistic plate, which would make it very difficult for let alone a hand gun but a rifle shot to go through. this is more the type of vest you could put in magazines. it's something that s.w.a.t. team members wear to carry all their gear, frankly that the

military wears to carry all their clear. it's not clear whether there was any ballistic material inside of it. we don't know what the motivation is, not that it would change anything at this point. >> does it really matter. >> it was a horrific scene inside that classroom. >> tom, thank you very much. since we came on the air yesterday, more of the kid who have been killed have been identified. they deserve so much more than some woman sitting at a desk across the country reading out their names and telling you a couple sentences about what we know about them but that is the absolute least we can do and that's what we're going to do right now. alithia ramirez loved to draw and wanted to be an artist.

alexandria "lexi" aniyah rubio. she was recognized with a good citizen award at the assembly award. eliahna garcia was one of five girls, always helping around the house. she said she wanted to be a teacher herself when she grew up. jacklyy cazares, her father said she was the kind of kid who would go out of her way to help anyone. she died with her cousin anna bell. they were in the same class. >> jailah nicole was the baby of the family jace carmel owe leuvanos was her cousin.

they were in the fourth grade together. he was a connector. he would host kids from all around the neighborhood in his backyard because he loved to make people law. layla salazar would swing along to "sweet child of mine" as he drove her to school. makenna lee elrod. her aunt said she had a smile that could light up the room. she loved to play baseball and do gymnastics. nevaeh bravo put a smile on everyone's face and was close to her siblings and cousins. rojelio torres was smart and hard working, always looking to

help. tess mata was 10 years old. her sister describes a sweet, caring and beautiful girl whose laughter was contagious. and we're learning even more about two of the lives cut short from the heart broken families who knew them best. several loved ones sat down with nbc's savannah guthrie. let's listen. >> a father's grief, a mother's silent anguish, a young, boisterous family with five little girls now shattered. >> i won't see my daughter again. >> can you tell me about how you got this news. >> i was at work. she called me, get to the school. i went to the school and tried to get in the building. the police barricade pushed me back out. so i just stood on the sidelines and watched this whole thing play out. >> i can't imagine what it would be like to be stand being outside those doors wondering.

>> longest day ever. it was the longest day ever. >> steven garcia and jennifer lugo remembering their little girl ellie as they try to process her senseless death. >> sweetest little girl you would ever meet. >> next week would have been ellie's 10th birthday. she was looking forward to having a pool party to celebrate. >> i told her we were going to have a party and her face just lit up. and that was the last time i saw her. >> hey, guys -- >> ellie loved basketball and tiktok and the colors pink and purple. she wanted to be a cheerleader. a little girl who lit up every

room in every picture. >> he loved to dance, have fun, she loved ramen noodles. >> ellie and her sister, one year apart, were inseparable. >> the little ones don't understand she's not coming home. >> and she was loved by her grandparents, who spent most weekends doting on them. >> reporter: her grandparents still struggling with what happened. >> she wanted to come home. she said, no, stay in school. try to get smart. so she stayed. this is the result that we got.

>> school is supposed to be safe. >> yeah. >> for every child lost, 19 of them there are stories like this and parents who will never be the same. 10-year-old amory-jo garza. she wanted to be a youtube star one day. >> she was the perfect daughter. >> when he heard about the shooting, he raced to the school while waiting for news about his own daughter, garza says he tried to comfort the children who did manage to get out. >> they were just overwhelmed and just crying. so as many as i could, hey, do you know your mom and dad's phone numbers, let's call them. that's what i tried to do to bring comfort to the kids, mommy and daddy know you're okay, you're safe, here, just tried to

calm them down as best i could. i was getting a little overwhelmed myself but i was trying to keep my cool for the kids. you know, i was trying not to think about it. i was just expecting for her to walk through that door at any moment, you know? >> you were helping those kids, having no idea how your little girl was. >> yeah. yeah. i was waiting for her. >> he waited six hours with the rest of his family, praying for a miracle that never came. it must have been -- >> it was a nightmare. >> -- such a painful scene. >> it was a nightmare. we didn't know if she was still alive, if she was injured, if she passed already. >> now all he can do is treasure photos and memories, like this fishing photo. >> she's your only daughter. >> only child. >> it hard to wrap your mind

around something like that. this is the last photo he has of his baby girl posing proudly with her certificate, however before the shooting. >> i just want to honor her name, who she was. i don't want to disappoint my daughter. i want to live and make her happy and keep her memory alive. >> ellie garcia's mother jennifer is still reeling, too devastated to even speak, clutching her last mother's day gift from her little girl, a jar ellie made for her mother's prayers. her parents say she had a strong faith and was excited about reading a verse for church this sunday. >> jesus is here for us. when we die, we'll be up there for him. >> she's a big part of our family. always has been, always will be.

>> our thanks to savannah guthrie for that. still ahead, the longest 35 minutes of her life. more from the teacher at robb elementary school about what she experienced as she hid inside a classroom with her students. >> and nearly ten years ago, their daughter was murdered in the araura movie theater shooting. you remember one of those mass shootings where we say never again and it happens again and again? now what they want other parents to know. and what texas senator ted cruz said if he was asked if now, now finally was the time for some kind of gun reform. >> able to get a weapon so easily, 18-year-old with two a.r.-15s. >> if you want to stop violent crime, the proposals the democrats have, none of them would have stopped this. >> but why does this only happen in your country? i really think that's what many

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i approve this message, and all these shoes too. after a separate school shooting in 2018, the uvalde school district created an extensive safety plan but it was not enough to stop a man with a rifle from entering robb elementary school. senator ted cruz dug into his position in a heated exchange with sky news u.s. correspondent mark stone at a prayer vigil on wednesday. >> there are 19 sets of parents who are never going to get to kiss their child good night again. >> reporter: is this the moment

to reform to gun laws? >> it's easy to go to politics. >> reporter: it's important. it's at the heart of the issue. >> i get it's where the media likes to go. >> reporter: it's where many of the people here like to go to. >> the proposals from democrat and media when some violent psycho path murders people. >> a violent psycho path who is able to get a weapon so easily. >> if you want to stop violent crimes, the proposal the democrats have will not -- >> but why is this only in america? why is american exceptionalism awful? this aspect of it. >> you know what, you got your political agenda, god love you. >> senator, i just want to understand why you think guns are not the problem. >> why is this just an american

problem? >> mr. cruz, why is america the only country that faces this kind of mass shooting? >> you can't answer that, can you, sir? you can't answer that? >> why is it that people come from all over the world to america. it's the free-est, most prosperous -- >> every country in the world has mental health issues, every single country. the only country that's different is ours. it's because of our access to guns, the amount of guns that we have, the ability to easily walk in to any store and get an a.r.-15 style weapon, a weapon that was intended, built for soldiers on the battlefield instead is being handed to 18-year-olds days after their 18th birthday who are, as ted

cruz put it, violent psychopaths. on the morning of the robb elementary school shooting, one teacher's class was watching a disney movie. when shots started to go off, her instinct from years of active shooter drills. isn't it incredible our teachers and students have to go through active shooter drills, that that is the solution, prepare yourself when someone comes in with an ar-15. you're not going to be able to be protected behind a desk or filing cabinet. up need to be behind cinder blocks, many of them, to protect yourself from an a.r.-15. that's how you protect yourself. just hide under the desk. this teacher described it as the longest 35 minutes of her life huddled with terrified kid under desks, trying to tell them that they were going to be okay.

after the last one had made their way out of the window, she turned to make sure her classroom was empty. she said she wasn't going anywhere until she knew for sure. joining me is senior investigator mike. walk us through the interview. >> the thing that will stick with me from this teacher on the steps yesterday, she talked about hearing the gun shows down the hall and knowing right away what that meant and, yeah, had her kids under the desk just as you described and she sat with them, sat at the center of the classroom. the kid were so quiet. a few were crying so she called them over to her and she helped them and told them to pray, just

pray, whispering to them. and for 35 minutes they sat there. at the beginning they could hear screams from down the hall knowing that their friends were hurt. and she told me that those were, as you said, the longest 35 minutes of her life. and that all they could do was wait and be quiet. >> this news conference is starting. we're going to dip in. >> i'm regional director in texas. thank you so much for being here today. my goal today on this conference, this press conference, is to give you a snapshot where we're at today. this incident happened on tuesday, may 24th, so there's a lot of information, a lot of moving parts. we have a lot of people involved in this investigation. i'm going to give you a summary of what happened, but before i

do that, i was able to make it here during the event on may 24th, same with a lot of other law enforcement officers that came to this event, this critical incident. i got to see the victims, i got to see the officers, i got to see the community members. it is so hard. it is very -- it's hard to take. it's traumatic. we're all hurting inside. we're hurting inside for the community members in uvalde, texas. we're hurting inside with our local partners who have to live here and work here every day. the victims, the family members, we feel for them. i'm a father. i can't go home tonight and hug my kids. that hurts. the members behind me are family members, their kids. it's tough. it's tough. it's hard. but that gives us the motivation

to move on to do good work for uvalde, texas, for the victims. we speak for the victims and we take that dearly. before i get started, the texas rangers are leading this investigation. we can't do it alone. ef cannot do it alone. we have atf, fbi, cbp, border patrol, uvalde county district attorney's office. the list goes on and on and on. but the agencies i told you are the main ones that are assisting with the investigation. we want to know what happened, recreate the scene. that takes days. that takes hours, that takes time. a lot of information. then we have to do a lot of

interviews. so we just started. we started on tuesday. today's thursday. we're still grabbing a lot of information. we also, what's important to us is why. why did he do this? why did he do this? who is this man, the suspect? we're going to find out. with all the different agencies that are involved, we're working every angle that's available. we won't stop until we get all the answers that we possibly can. so, again, i want to thank these men and women that are behind us supporting the dps and the rangers. so there's a lot of information. i'm going to give you -- there's some new information as of tuesday that i wanted to clear

up, that we wanted to clear up that's been pushed out. we'll continue to have updates in the coming days. once the information is obtained and we're able to confirm and corroborate that. we want to make sure we're pushing out the right information. early on when we came in, we were receiving a lot of information from a lot of different locations. that's a baseline. you start there. you make some reports. but since then we started doing interviews, we started working the crime scene so we're cooperating. i want to share some of that. it's a small piece of information but it will grow within days. so, please, thank you for being here and being patient with us. it means a lot. on tuesday, may 24th at 11:28 the suspect just west of here wrecks his vehicle, pickup truck that he took from his

grandmother. he had just shot his grandmother in the face. she's alive, she's stable at this point. 11:28 he's sitting there at the bardage. he jumps out the passenger side of the truck. according to witnesses, he's got a long arm rifle and a bag. later we find out it's ammunition. he walks around, he sees two witnesses at the funeral home across the street from where he wrecked. he engages and fires towards them. he continues walking. he continues walking towards the school. he climbs a fence. now he's in the parking lot shooting at the school, multiple times. 11:40 he walks into the west side of robb elementary.

according to reports, video we have obtained from outside, inside and again, we're still combing through that so bare with us, multiple round, numerous rounds are discharged in the school. we're trying to get a number. we're in the process of analyzing that video. four minutes later the local police departments, uvalde police department, the independent school district police department are inside making entry. they hear gunfire. they take rounds. they move back, get cover. and during that time they approached where the suspect is at.

according to the information i have, he went in at 11:40. he walks an approximate 20 feet, 30 feet. he makes a right. he walks into the hallway, makes a right. walks another 20 feet. turns left into a school room. into a classroom that has doors open in the middle. officers are there, the initial officers, they received gunfire. they don't make entry initially because of the gun fire they're receiving. but we have officers calling for additional resources. everybody that's in the area, tactical teams, we need equipment, we need specialty equipment, we need body armor, we need precision riflemen, negotiators. so during this time that they're making those calls to bring in help to solve this problem and stop it immediately, they're

also evacuating personnel -- when i say personnel, students, teachers. there's a lot going on. a lot. complex situation. they're measuring. they're measuring. approximately an hour later u.s. border patrol tactical teams arrive. they make entry, shoot and kill the suspect. but you also had a county deputy and uvalde police department that made entry and killed the suspect. immediately, immediately numerous officers. now it turns into a rescue operation. how do we save these children? how do we save these children?

some made it out. we don't have a hard number yet, but that was the goal. and then continuing making the area safe. there's a lot of moving parts afterwards. but during we were taking gunfire, negotiations and developing a team to make entry to stop him. i'll take a few questions. and, again, look, my summary, one more thing i forgot to mention that i want to clear up that came out early on. it was reported that a school district police officer confronted the suspect that was making entry. not accurate. he walked in unobstructed

initially. so from the grandmother's house to the school into the school, he was not confronted by anybody. to clear the record on that. four minutes later law enforcement are coming in to solve this problem. >> reporter: director -- >> stand by. i just want to clear that up. that's very important. again, this will happen as we move forward. i'll take a few questions. >> how was he able to get in if it was a school that's supposed to be locked during the school day? >> so right now during the investigation it appears it was unlocked. so we're going to look at that and try to corroborate that as best as we can. >> reporter: do you know why it was unlocked? >> please, one at a time. we'll address as many questions as we can. >> one at a time, announce your name and announce your network.

>> my name is josh. do you know why it was unlocked? >> josh, thank you for the question. right now it appears it was unlocked. it goes back to the investigation. it takes time. we will find out as much as we can why it was unlocked or maybe it was locked. >> you say at one point when he was inside there among the things you were attempting negotiation. was he responding to negotiation and in that period of time was there continued gunfire? >> so during that time, right now according to the information we have, the majority of the gunfire was in the beginning. in the beginning. i say numerous, more than 25. it was a lot of gunfire in the beginning. during the negotiations, there wasn't much gunfire, other than trying to keep the officers at bay. that could change once we analyze the video. but right now according to the information, he did not respond.

>> reporter: nbc news. was this a school officer on campus and was that school officer armed? that's what we've been told. >> at this time, no. no. there was not an officer readily available armed. no. >> reporter: but was there an officer? >> no. i can't answer that yet. i'll circle back with you. again, as we do that investigation, we have all these questions we want to answer. i'll get back with you, sir. >> there's a 12-minute gap from when he crashes his truck to when he enters the school. 12 minutes. what happened in that 12 minutes? ? sir, you got to understand, 11:30 is the information that we are informed, we got a crash and a man with a gun. and you have responding

officers. that's what it is. if it's 12 minutes from 11:30 to 11:40, that's the information we have right now. look, at the end of the day our job is to report the facts and have those answers. we're not there yet. >> over here. >> what's the first 911 call -- >> say it again. >> when was the first 911 call? >> the first 911 call is at 11:30. i will get the time what it took to respond. we'll have that answer. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> could. there's a lot of possibilities. there's a lot of possibilities. until -- until -- until we received an interview because there was numerous officers at that classroom, once we interview all those officers,

what they were thinking, what they did, why they did it, the video, the residual interviews, we'll have a better idea. you got to understand, small town. people from eagle pass, from del rio. >> on the information you have so far, should the officers have waited or should they have gone right in? >> that's a tough question. that's a tough question. again, our job is to report the facts and later we can answer those questions. >> reporter: [ inaudible ]. >> i don't have enough information to answer that question just yet. >> one more question, please. >> is it accurate that eyewitnesses and potentially parents of the students were urging the police to go in while you were waiting for a tactical s.w.a.t. team, even parents were asking to borrow police armor so they could make an counterassault on the school?

>> i have heard that information but we have not farified that yet. we have not verified is that a true statement or is that just rumors out there. we're getting a lot of information. we want to see if it's true, we have to vet it. thank you so much. >> can you explain best practices? >> so, look, we appreciate the questions. >> what were the officers doing between 11:44 and 12:44. you guys have said he was barricaded. can you explain to us how he was barricaded and why you guys could not reach that door? >> i have taken all your questions into consideration. we will be doing updates to answer those questions. what is your name?

>> shimon prokupecz. >> shimon, thank you. >> why don't you clear it up and explain how is it your officers were in there for an hour yet no one was able to get inside that room? >> shimon, we will circle back with you, we will answer all your questions and we want to give you the why. give us time, i'm taking all your questions back to talk to the team. thank you for being here. we'll talk soon. we'll talk soon. >> okay. that was the regional director for texas dps. victor escalone. this is a heavily latino community and so far not doing it in span ush. there are a lot of open questions. one was asked by i believe it was tom from nbc news.

11:28 the suspect wrecks his car, 11:40 walks in unobstructed to the school. why did it take so long for cops to get to him? how could he not get to the shooter before he's able to walk freely into the school. we heard over and over again that there was a police officer on campus, a police resource officer, school resource officer. we were unclear on whether the resource officer was armed. and victor said there was no officer and why for so long was he in that classroom? and was there a way to get in faster to save kids that might have been injured? i have a question about the little girl who called 911 because her friend was bleeding. obviously because there was a shooting going on.

clearly there was some time ga where some kids in that classroom were not dead. that's another question i have. and then finally, bortac, the border patrol officers who got there who were heavily armed and geared up, they're training parallel special forces, that is who it took to kill this guy? that's the good guy you need apparently on a school campus to protect kids. 20 might die beforehand but eventually the good guy will get there, eventually the law enforcement officer will get there, the one that they need to take down the shooter in question. joining me now is nbc news correspondent kerrey sanders along with investigation correspondent tom winters. so a lot of things are things

are still not available to us at this time. >> reporter: i think you nailed it. apparently there was no back and forth. to use the word negotiation certainly is a liberal use of the word if they were attempting to contact him and there was no response and then you have this tremendous period of waiting for, as you said, the tactical team from the border pa trel to arrive. the repeated questions here, especially at the end of the news conference, one of the reporters off camera was like clear this up. what was going on for almost an hour. we'd like to know. as you heard dps saying they are going to wait, they need to get more informing, thank you very much, we're looking at it. that is the number one question. every parent who had a child in that room will wonder about that hour or so, what was going on, those officers who, i don't know what the barricade was because he didn't define it but if it was simply a locked door, what

the barricade was that prevented them from coming in from nor side. and as we know, when the officers finally got in, there was at least one child who had another child laying on top of her who was playing dead. that child who was below was bleeding but still breathing. that child was rushed to the hospital and later died. the parents will forever wonder that one hour, that golden hour when there's a traumatic injury, whether their child would be alive today if only the officers had gotten in there and pulled her out and gotten her the emergency medical care at that moment. katy? >> jesus. that's exactly the question that people are asking. i can't even imagine. there are a lot of reporters out there that cover stories like this, complicated issues and

they know how to ask the question and know how to get answers and asking and saying please clarify it's because in the past it's been pretty clear 48 hours later what's happened. kerrey sanders, thank you very much. tom, this is exactly the question you had. >> exactly while there's this hour gap, i want to bring things back a bit so people understand. a statement was made that said it was reported. >> we were told by officials. that was not reported. >> it's a what they said. they said that there was an officer that engaged with them and said it oaf the course of several days. >> they said it at the news conference yesterday.

this car wreck accident happens with the shooter. he starts firing at witnesses according to dps at a nearby funeral home and starts shooting from outside of the school at 11:40. he goes in. for 12 minutes after an accident and a shooting, it appears that there was no sort of response. we were told there was an officer at the school. whether they engaged or not is a different story. clearly, that's no longer the case. if there's an officer at the school, why did it take so long to be radio call or a response and why did nobody go out and see what's happening. clearly somebody is engaging in gunfire. they have video of some of this. he said that's what's involved.

there was an hour time lag from the moment he's inside the classroom. what wasn't answered was whether or not there was any windows. i think the key thing is, somebody needed to come out right away and say preliminary information to lay out a timeline, that didn't happen. what was the negotiation. we have nod heard in our

discussion. he's already fired shots at you or kids. i'm not sure what the negotiation is. the point there, if you talk to law enforcement, the talking is over. that's when they're supposed to take this person out. it's unclear from everything that they've said what exactly, what the activity was taking place and why they felt there was a need the negotiate. there's a number of people that train for this, react to this in the law enforcement community that will be dumbfounded for the explanations we have received. maybe that will change but

certain parts of this are not adding up. >> if it turns out that the information gets confirmed it was a girl, another girl, another kid on top of her who was alive after the hour and was taken to the hospital and later died, wa what could that hour have done? >> is there a possibility that kid could be alive today. chuck schumer has given connecticut senator to see if a bipartisan gun bill is possible. despite polling that shows the overwhelming majority of americans support some restrictions on firearms, we can be pretty certain about unlikelihood of that happening at the federal level. the new york times spoke to gop lawmakers on why they will not embrace the call for gun reform. freshman senator gave a simple

answer that most of his constituents would probably throw him out of office. the republicans you spoke to that said they would be out of power, they would be kicked out of office if they voted for gun reform. easily walk in and get a weapon made for the battlefield. >> that 90% is an evenly

distributed. these republicans represent some very conserative states. i think senator kramer was pretty honest in his answer and the issue is that the people who their voters who will react to this will be the ones that attack them, if they do something. that there's not a reward for them joining in some kind of gun control legislation. i think this is going to be a very heavy lift. there was a bipartisan meeting that went on in the capitol today. there were three republicans in the room. people say there's an opportunity, an opening. we have heard this so many times before there's a lot work against it. it's a fact that congress is going on recess now. in previous times that's taken

the pressure off. that's where you'll need baseline and every democrat that will move ahead on something significant. we hearing red flag law, similar to one passed in florida among other states where you can intervene is someone the threatening other people or themselves. maybe something like that could happen. we have gotten close before. there's been talks before but nothing materializes in the end. >> in other countries when they have seen a mass killing with gun, they've said why would we ever stand for this. let's get rid of the guns. let's take away the problem. we have a second amendment here. i saw someone put it on social media, we have to give thanks to

our children for giving their lives to protect our right to have guns. thank you very much. their daughter was killed in 2012 at the auroro. we only have a couple of minutes. i'm sorry sorry to have to squeeze your on time. your reaction. >> our reaction is we've been -- they are giving chris murphy ten days. we have been doing this work for ten years. he expects chris murphy to be able to do a bipartisan bill in ten days. it's not going to happen. we're angry, to say least. we started our work with sandy hook after our daughter, jessie was killed in the theater shooting. we responded to sandy hook and

now we're responding again, our 20th mass shooting response to uvalde which is right down the road from where my children grew up. this one is real personal for me. >> what would you possibly say to the parents who right now are wondering whether it's worth living themselves? >> we usually start off our conversations with survivors that we know exactly what they are feeling. we have been walking in their shoes for ten years and that you don't feel like taking another breath right now. i'm very honest with them. if i had had a handgun in the house the night we got the news about jessie, i might not be here today. we're honest with them. we have a survivor tool kit that we developed for free. we developed that and we give that to anyone that needs it,

wants it. it's free. it's online. they can download, print it out, read it, whatever they need. that's where we start with families that are new to our club that nobody wants to belong to. >> we've been to 25 -- this will be the 25th. when we get to uvalde tomorrow, this will be our 25th public mass shooting. >> our 20th, honey. >> i'm sorry, our 20th. in time it takes for this dust to settle, these people will not know anything about what's going on. it takes, at least, four or five days to get your bearings and try to figure what to do, how to do it. when this happened to us, we had nobody to help us. the first mass shooting that we responded to was sandy hook. when we saw those people, when we walked in, we were like zombies. they didn't remember us the next time we met them or the