for real answers. that's 11:00 p.m. eastern tonight on msnbc. i did want to let you know about that. i hope you and your family are safe and informed, and i do wish you a good long weekend. thanks-for-watching "the beat with ari melber." "the reidout" with joy reid starts now. ari melber. "the reidout" with joy reid starts now good evening, everyone. we begin "the reidout" tonight with texas officials sharing harrowing details on what happened when a gunman killed at least 19 children and two of their teachers at robb elementary school in uvalde where roughly 82% of the population is latino. yet take a look at the scene. that is steven mcgraw, director of texas department of public safety along with his law enforcement peers, a glimpse of leadership that doesn't quite match the demographics of the town 60 miles from the u.s.-mexico border. but that was even -- what was even more startling than the optics of all these press conferences this week with all of that leadership is what was

said today. the admission of a string of police failures including driving right by the gunman, ever how one girl cowering inside the cool called 911 five times. 20 officers stood in the hallway outside of the classrooms but it wasn't until 12:50 that the classroom was breached using keys from a janitor. mcgraw said the on-seen commander believed that this was a barricaded subject situation and did not think that there were more children at risk. he was then overwhelmed with reporters demanding an explanation into the time delay leading him to make this stunning admission. >> stand by. hey, stand by. >> from the benefit of hindsight where i'm sitting now of course it was not the right decision. it was the wrong decision period. there's no excuse for that. >> the press conference also failed to translate questions and answers into spanish despite earlier promises that they would. again, a lot of the folks in this town speak spanish as a

primary language. >> in espanol. >> no spanish? >> what happened? >> wow. >> hours later we heard from texas governor greg abbott who dodged questions surrounding gun laws focusing instead on touting benefits being offered to local families and, again, pushing mental health as the culprit despite being the governor who has slashed mental health funding in texas. but he had this to say about the communication breakdown with his cops. >> i was misled. i am livid about what happened and when i came out here on this stage and told the public what happened it was a recitation of what people in that room told me, whether it be law enforcement officials or non-law enforcement officials, whatever the case may be. and as everybody has learned, the information that i was given

turned out in part to be inaccurate, and i'm absolutely livid about that. >> note that he didn't have the law enforcement standing behind him like he did during the other press conferences. just noting that. also got heartbreaking new images from pete luna showing law enforcement officers helping students escape through the windows of their school. images that repeat again and again in america. children running for their lives. joining me now from uvalde, texas is yasmin voussoughian. thanks for being here. i've been watching your coverage and it's been excellent all day. you spoke with the brother of one of the children who was -- one of the -- i guess one -- the brother of one of the boys who was killed, and what did they say? >> reporter: i spoke to -- i spoke to the brother of xavier. he is a 10-year-old boy who was in room 111, joy, and he told me xavier was an incredible little boy. he loved going around with his big bro, his big bro and his

girlfriend angel and they had their own baby as well, and xavier loved to dance. he loved to dance to music. he loved to play with his little brothers, his little 2-year-old brother and 4-year-old brother, they looked up to xavier like nobody else, and they can't understand the tragedy that has happened. they can't go into his bedroom right now. they are just so broken, that family, because the loss of little 10-year-old xavier, and his green annabell, 10 years old who died alongside him. a little girl that we've heard the name of many times as well and he said xavier did everything for annabell, learning from his big brother how to treat a girl and he did that as they died together. he was in room 111 and you mentioned from the press conference details that were startling, i will say, joy. the first 911 call came in at

11:30 a.m. saying there's been an accident outside the school, a man is armed. he then entered the school three minutes later. for one hour and 20 minutes he was inside that school alive, for one hour and 20 minutes until he was shot. the -- the breakdown of law enforcement across the board has been shocking i think to this community. 12:03 from room 112 a teacher calls in and says there are eight to nine kids alive in my class root there is an active shooter in this classroom. i am alive. 12:10, 12:21, another call. guess what room 12:21, that call came from, room 111, that's where xavier was and xavier's brother asking today. was comparier still alive, was annabell still alive? had these people gone in earlier would they have remained alive?

school resource officer was not here, not on campus. heard of the shooting, raced to the scene and then we heard he bypassed the shooter who was crouching down in a shooter and instead thought that the teacher was a shooter and armed. had he been on campus he would have been able to respond. i asked about s.w.a.t., uvalde s.w.a.t., part-time s.w.a.t. there are not personnel who are not here to respond. two years ago they said this is the type of situation they were preparing for, so if you're in this community and you've lost someone, you haven't lost someone, this is a tight-knit community, everyone knows one another. you are angry and no matter what the police are saying going forward, whether it's coming from dpso local police they are not going to trust it because already as we've gotten into three days of this thing we've been misled every stage of the way, and i'll say one more thing, the governor saying today in fact he was shocked. he have was angry that he was misled about the facts.

there's a reason the governor doesn't come out and day one and tell you that tiktok was happening with an active shooter situation. there is a reap in which officials wait until they have all the facts, all their ducks in a row before they brief the press because this is an incredibly sensitive situation and the parents and families deserve to know. >> yes, indeed. >> and that's where we are today. these families are reeling and they want answers. >> yasmin voussoughian, it is shocking the fail you're police in this instance. yasmin voussoughian, thank you very much. really appreciate you. texas state senator roland gutierrez, a democrat, confronted governor abbott at his press conference imploring him to reform gun laws. it's hard to hear him so we added subtitles. here's part of what he said. >> you have to do something, man. what he said. >> you have to do something, man. joining me now from uvalde is the very state texas senator

roland gutierrez. well, okay. we're going to go to him in just a second. so we're trying to get him. we're having a little bit of a technical difficulty so we'll keep trying to get him, but while we wait for him to come in, i do want to play another sound bite from yasmin voussoughian who also interviewed a couple of people in uvalde about what she was talking about, about the police response, because the police response has been a big part of the question about what went wrong here. here is her interview with two people in uvalde about the slow police response and the fact that one of the police officers actually knew one of the girls who was killed. take a look. >> i haven't trusted the law enforcement here in a while. >> why is that? >> doesn't surprise me one bit. >> why? >> they are very slow moving, very slow moving. any time we've had situations they are pretty slow. >> they could get better people. that's what i think. >> and the problem here being that in this community which we know is a low-income community, it is a majority latino community, it's something that happens in a lot of communities,

those of us who are people of color are familiar with this story. it's a sad one, about slow police response times when we call. it took ten minutes for police to actually arrive on the scene after the first 911 call of people nearby seeing a man with a long gun running towards the school. now i will introduce, he is here, state senator roland gutierrez. thanks for being here. i don't know if you were able to see that video and to hear yasmin voussoughian and her report, but it does feel like part of the story here, a big part of the story is number one a very, very slow response by local police and then local police being in charge of what happened even when federal authorities got there in a very, very, very slow response getting inside that school. you raised some concerns to the governor. have you had the concerns about that, about slow response and this police failure? i can only call it that. have you gotten any answers

about that? >> well, absolutely. i mean, first off, even the police you heard, steve mcgraw suggested that there was a failure. i know that he wants to put it on the local police. i would like to find out what we haven't heard from law enforcement, i've asked them. i asked them to give us this account early. they wanted to wait a little longer, you know. the nokes in this community, transparency. what i would like to see is when the different agencies actually arrived. in my mind operational control would shift to an a agency with higher firepower, higher jurisdictional level, if you will. that didn't happen here. we allowed either the school police or the chief of police, i'm a little bit confused as to who he's saying which chief was in operational command so that's a question that i need to have answered for myself. certainly then the federal government comes in and they execute. we really have a lot of issues and failures here. this community deserves to know and our country deserves to know for sure. >> there's a pretty epic tweet

that went pretty viral from a uvalde resident who lives near the school who says slow police response times and not having a great interactive relationship with police was actually not an uncommon thing in in community. how do you feel about, you know, this can't help, right, in a community that is low income and largely, you know, citizens of color when they feel unserved at the time when they needed police the most. >> well, certainly, you know, the folks that are accountable to me are the state troopers. at least they are accountable to the senators in the texas legislature. you know, these folks are going to have to go and talk to their mayor and council person. i have real concerns about the failure at every level. >> yeah. >> what i asked the governor today was a special session, a special session because we have to hold him accountable. we have asked for common sense gun laws for a very long time. we need a special session. we need a full investigation

that gives us clear transparency as to what went on here and where the failures were so this never happens again >> you asked him about this idea the idea that an 18-year-old can so easily buy a assault rifle and that made it easier. there was no weight to buy a lot of ammunition and if you're a spree killer who wants to spontaneously do something like this. it's really easy in the state of tensias. here's what governor abbott had to say about school shootings. he had a counternarrative. take a look. >> it's my understanding that ever since texas has been a state an 18-year-old has had the ability to buy a long gun, a rifle, and since that time it seems like there's only been in the past decade or two that we've had school shootings, so for a century and a half 18-year-olds could buy rifles and we didn't have school

shootings. >> that sir, is not true. in 1966 the first known school shooting/modern day mass shooting took place in texas the at university of texas. that shooting that took place in the tower, so why do you suppose the government -- why the governor is continuing to use that talking point which is disproved by texas history? >> listen, this governor lives in some alternative world and that's the reality. the fact is we no longer use .22 rifles. you know, you don't need -- people are out there. they hunt with squirrel guns. that's not what we ear talking about. we ear talking about ar-15s. we're talking about highly militarized weaponry and we need to have a change there. how in the world are we going to let -- how can we live in a place where an 18-year-old can go boy thousands of rounds of ammunition, two ar-15s within two days and no one says anything n.2019 i filed a red flag bill that went nowhere because the republicans didn't even let it out of committee.

if we can't even have a discussion on the issues that are important, i don't know what there is left to do. people elect me to fixance pro. they elect greg abbott to fix problems and in session after session he has refused. we are a legislature that meets every other year in odd-numbered years, so we only meet for five months, so i've asked greg abbott to call for a special session so that we can have some changes that would make sense for our community. >> well, we hope that you get that special session. please feel free to come back any time. texas state senator roland gut res. up next on "the reidout," as uvalde mourns the dead the nra begins its big represidentant gun celebration in houston but supporters of gun laws are there making their voices heard and the unholy alliance between gun culture and religion and why the government is not addressing the leading cause of childhood death which those days is gun violence and the heavy toll on all of us

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a split screen in texas shows the stark reality of the country's problem with gun violence and our refusal to do anything about it. as a community in uvalde, texas continues to mourn the lives of 19 children and two teachers, the national rifle association is hosting praise and worship in the face of national outrage.

exploring the contrast from across the street children were bringing photos of the lyft taken in uvalde. up sign reading am i next? >> we've never protested before. >> ever? >> ever. >> what was different this time? >> because enough is enough. this mass shooting in uvalde just touched us all, and we're -- we're so furious about it. >> things need to change. i think it's shameful. everybody walking up should feel shameful. >> texas governor greg abbott pulled out of an in-person appearance opting instead to be in uvalde via -- be in awfully, but he addressed the convention via video. lieutenant governor dan patrick also bailed and those who attended struck a somber tone. ted cruz's solution, make schools into militarized zones. >> we need serious funding to upgrade our schools, to install

bulletproof doors and looking classroom doors. ultimately as we all know what stops armed bad guys is armed good guys. >> ted, that clearly did not happen in uvalde, and is that really how you want texans to live? is that how they want to live sending their kids to schools that look like prisons? we're also learning firsthand from the children who survived the slaughter of their friends, classmates and teachers, images that will be horrifically burned into their memories forever. >> whenever he started shooting, we hid behind my teacher's desk. >> the cop said help if you need help and then it got one of my persons in the class that helped. guy overheard and he came in and shot her and he said it's time to diet. i was hiding hard and i was telling my friend not to talk.

>> the gun lobby holds court with 19 children not yet buried we're hearing from the parents whose babies remain forever 10. legal lexi rubio loved playing soccer and her father, a sheriff's deputy, was off duty that day and her parents spoke to lester holt. >> i just want to see her. i just want to touch her. this is the only thing i can hold. >> you know what it's like to be there and i didn't take her home. i made this huge mistake and you can never fix it. i always take my kids home after these ceremonies.

i don't know what was different this day. she didn't ask. i didn't mention it and i left my baby at the school. >> joining me now is nbc senior investigative reporter live in houston. charles blow, columnist for "new york times" and michael steele, former rnc chairman. thank you all for being here. welcome all to the show. i want to ask you about the nra and the vibe inside of that convention and how they manage to celebrate guns at a time when not far away parents are preparing to bury little 10-year-old children. >> joy, i don't know how. that setup was really hard. i'm sorry. >> it was. >> i came from uvalde last night to be back in town to cover the convex and what i found was a complete and utter disconnect. across the street were protesters holding signs and children pleading for change,

for something to change, and inside there were parents with their children showing them how to hold ar-15s and telling me why the policies that allowed this shooter to go and buy a couple of these guns days after his 18th birthday are so important that these -- that those policies are what keeps us safe, and it was -- it's really hard to put into words how horrible i felt back at the scenes, when i was talking to the families and talking to the teachers about hiding on the floor for 35, 40 minutes. >> did anyone inside that have convention who spoke to you, did they even express any emotion about -- i mean, i've been crying for three days, by the way, so don't feel bad about feeling emotional. did they express -- was there any emotion in there for these dead children and teachers? >> look, i didn't talk to

everybody. the thing that i witnessed that was the jarring is on one side of the street there were protesters, very emotional screaming shame, shame, shame, murderers, and -- and on the other side of the street people wearing ar-15s on their chest, like on their t-shirts holding up their cell phones and recording videos and laughing and mock the protesters. i don't know how to bridge that. >> yeah. i don't even know how to understand it. charles, the nra started out at union generals who, you know, dismayed at the poor marksmanship of the people who were being recruited to fight to save the union, and it your morphed into this other thing. they were all for gun reform when the black panthers were carrying long guns in los angeles, and then they decided to join the other strategy and hardened into this other thing that we just heard described.

there's no negotiating with, that right? >> there is not. in fact, i think that part of what you're seeing with the nra convention is them trying to make a point. part of the branda the of the -- the propaganda. republicans and those who actually support him, this has nothing to do with us. these are criminals that are getting their hands on guns using the freedoms that we are gathering for law-abiding citizens against us, right? they believe or they want to convince america that these people are separate, that we have to in fact have more guns to protect ourselves from these few criminals who get their hands on the guns and use them in these ways. that is -- if you believe that your true safety is only guarded if you had an -- had arms in your home, if you have long guns

strapped to your chest, if you have them in your truck and at the grocery store, then -- then this doesn't penetrate for you. you can even feel sad. you can even say that this is a real bad thing that happened. however, that has nothing to do with me. my guns are locked up. i'm a law-abiding citizen. i've never done anything wrong with guns in my life, and, in fact, you know, because we have more guns in america than people, 99.9% of people have never used their gun against another human being in this country, so -- to a large degree it's right, but it only takes a fraction to wreak absolute havoc and that is what we, have and until we retreat from this idea of gun proliferation and also reducing the barriers to gun ownership and the rules around when and where you can have them, we'll never get over the havoc that the fraction and percent and are wreak on our society. >> let me play to beto o'rourke. i thought he was very

magnanimous today. he was at the protest across the street and this is what he said. >> there are some including those who have lost those most dear to them who will say it's too soon to talk about what we're going do to prevent this from ever happening again, but i hope that you agree with me, that the time for us to stop awfully was right after sandy hook. the time for us to have stopped uvalde was right after parkland. ch the time for us to have stopped uvalde was right after santa fe high school. the time for us to stop the next mass shooting in this country is right now right here today. >> michael, why does that argument not compel republicans because it does compel gun owners, right? i mean, you and i are friends. we know a lot of the same

people. i don't know anybody, i literally don't. i know people with a house full of guns, rifles and things, they hunt, even if they collect guns, i don't know anyone who isn't moved by that except elected republicans. >> well, they -- the thing that i think is striking that -- for me right now in this space is the fact that the narrative around the gun discussion has largely centered on an incorrect argument which has allowed the hard right to harden their position such that any reform, any effort, joy, to address what charles was just talking about, for example, is considered a stripping away, a slippery slope towards, you know, diminishing their rights under the second

amendment. the issue of gun control has been the wrong message to make. >> it's just bad marketing. >> it's just bad marketing and it's always been about reforms that would allow law-abiding gun owners to continue to enjoy their use of the firearms for hunting and shooting and other things and for the country to focus like a layers on those like this young individual who are outside of that, and so the reforms, remember the gun show discussion, around, you know, finding who -- who owns and who has access to getting permits. the bogus argument that the governor of texas is currently making about, well, we've always allowed 18 yearlies. okay. that doesn't mean that, you know, in -- in the 21st century that law should still be the hook on which you want to hang your stetson, and so i think

that a lot of -- a lot of the argument has to shift. what you hear after sandy hook and certainly after stoneman douglas, the david hoggs of the world are changing that everything can. they are saying, look i know we're going to disagree on a lot of this, but can we at least get to a space where we can begin to talk about the kind of common sense reforce, not control of your guns, right? we don't want to take anything away from you. we just want to put in place reforms to save lives. >> all we want to do is make an ar-15 as hard to buy as sudafed or rent a car, neither which a 18-year-old can do. let me put this up real quick because we're out of time. the worst mass shooting, this isn't even all the worst mass shootings since 1991, this shooting doesn't even rank at the to. this was the murder of a bunch of little kid. not even the top most deadly one an buffalo doesn't even come anywhere close. the only difference between us and the rest of the world is

that you used to be able to buy an ar-15 at walmart, by the way, you could buy it at walmart until they stopped selling them in 2015, walmart did more gun reform than the united states congress. at walmart you could boy. it still ahead, and's if you can't stop abortion, they are -- they are saying you can stop abortion by legislating abortion but anyway let's move on the christian conservatives are offering thoughts and prayers. i'll ask you about this. offering thoughts and prayers and guns are also a religion for many on the christian right. is that why we're not hearing more faith readers calling for gun reform? we'll be right back. readers car gun reform we'll be right back.

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committed to hiring 10,000 new mental health counselors. as a respected former social worker, thurmond knows how important those mental health counselors are for our students today. vote for democrat tony thurmond. he's making our public schools work for all of us. the united states of america has always had guns. it's our history. we were built on the judeo-christian foundation and with -- with guns. we have seen kids are not getting our faith. the faith of america has really suffered for several decades now. >> faith, we've lost that. we stopped teaching values in so many of our schools. now we're teaching wokeness. we're indoctrinating our children with things like crt. >> wokeness and crt and when

they are not regurgitating they are talking about faith. america's gun culture is a part of their faith and it's been this way for years. reverend peter cook told "the guardian" that this developed over time from president nixon's southern strategy to increase political support among white voters in the south by appealing to racism against black people. tough on crime policies and anti-abortion sentiments. guns became ensenard in the strategy. he said, quote, it really gave tacit cultural permission of people of faith to own guns so they conveniently worked their way into this religious freedom argument and conflated it with christianity itself and there's no better example of this interconnectivity and an ad that daniel defense, the maker of the rifle used in texas, posed eight days, featuring a toddler hodler and includes the bible verse train up a child way he goes and when he's old it will not depart

from it. that's about as twisted as it gets. i'm joined by the author of "fallen love, love children, stay put and save the planet. be happy." thanks for being here, frank. gift us more of the context of this association of the guns with christianity because that sure don't sound like jesus. >> well, you know, joy, just like you're having a tough time talking about this, this is a hard one. >> yeah. >> i picked up an 8-year-old grandchildren at school today and hi tears on my cheeks when i got here. i was thinking about other people's grandchildren. there's no way to get into the politics without saying something real and personal first. you know, back in the 1970s my dad francis schaefer, the well known theologian and i were touring the country stirring up the beginnings of the protestant evangelical anti-abortion movement and what was born at that time was the idea that the federal government is your enemy and thank god we have guns so

that we don't become a dictatorship and this has morphed into a religion within a religion that worships the gun as a symbol, not just of freedom but of what it means to be a christian. you are ready to -- to kill people who are going to take away your god given right to raise your child as you want, in other words, to indoctrinate them with your vision of religion. you're going to stand against the federal government. some nefarious conspiracy theory idea of them out there and gradually the evangelical community has morphed into a community that not only has a huge amount of gun ownership out of proportion to the rest of the country but real believes that somehow the gun and the ownership of a military weapon represents their belief and faith and their faith is now very much part of a conspiracy theory that regards people like you and me an democrats and jews and many black people and

hispanics and others and an increasing list of people as the other and somehow owning a gun not only defends your home against a home invader who is going to rob you or rape your wife, it's a symbol of standing up against the other, these people that are trying to replace us the white evangelical majority of the past now becoming a minority that feels embattled so there's so much much more here with the a and its symbiotic relationship with others. >> you know, the thing is that there's a strange mix of fatalism, right, when it comes to things like abortion of saying, well, you know, if you get raped and pregnant, that's just god putting baby in the world and you can't have an abortion and by the way believing the laws can stop abortions somehow but then say when it comes to guns, well, you know, if that happens, that just happens. it is what it is, but you can't have any laws.

they had a contradiction for me. >> yeah. you have so see that once you're in the grip of the conspiracy theory and somehow the world is against you, then consistency is not your strong suit. what you see is a group of people who claim family values. you were talking about my new book. that is what evangelicals say they are selling, but they are not. they are a misogynistic group of people who are completely anti-family. these are the people, the rao encan party, now controlled by the evangelical christian nationalist movement, it's not -- it is not a democratically elected party anymore in the sense of being committed to democracy. it is a christian nationalist movement, a white christian nationalist movement. these folks really are inconsistent on purpose, so they will not vote for something as simple as baby formula being given by the government. they will not vote for paid parental leave. they will not vote for the child

tax credit being extended that lifted millions of kid out of poverty so the fact of the matter is they are now the equivalent of the pagan religions that supposedly in biblical times, the hebrew faith, obliterated and made war on because they sacrificed children. the nra is a gun-worshipping cult that sacrifices american children to the god of gun ownership. they about as evil as anything that has ever happened in this kun trish and they must be replaced, and when you look at the eve gel kwhools align themselves with this, it is as far from the message of the goes fell of jesus christ as one could imagine. >> yeah. >> and there is no way to overstate this when you hear stories about a little girl smearing blood on herself to hide from a shooter while armed cops stabbed outside the door and don't come in for an hour. if this is not the sickness of a

society at its apex i cannot think of another example as a grappled father who picks up his grandchildren at school every day so we have to understand this is a battle of good versus evil, and the nra is an evil institution and it must be smashed. >> i would -- i would implore you to please come back next week because we wanted you to come on hopefully before all of this happened to talk about the southern baptists and this humongous scandal of sexual predation so please come back if you can. >> i will. >> thank you very much. >> and you know what. those issues are not unrelated. >> yeah. >> yeah. >> we'll walk it that next week. we'll see you again next week. frank schaefer, thank you very much, my friend. america has shown time and time again it will do whatever it takes, whatever needs to be done to protect its children from senseless death until now. so what changed? stay with us. until now so what changed? stay with us

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full of bacteria. in some cases formaldehyde was used as a preservative poisoning children. the government recognized it was unacceptable and established milk standards which included pasturization. at the outset of the 20th century 47 out of every 100 died of pneumonia before their fifth birthday. antibiotics where than developed, and the government took steps to improve nutrition, and living standards, to make its healthier. pence in the early 1950s were worried that their children would get polio. between 1950 1953, there were more than 6600 deaths. and doctor jonas salk made an historic breakthrough, developing about vaccine. the government made a topper to get children vaccinated. and polio was almost completely wiped down. the decades that followed, with exponential growth of car ownership, highway accidents became the leader killer of children. overtime, innovations of car design, and government mandated safety regulations like

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pretending that she was dead. [inaudible] she has been full of blood, and she got blood everywhere. >> uvalde residents are just beginning the saddle of long journey of dealing with a trauma of a massacre at a school. unfortunately, they're not alone. in the past two weeks, there have been 19 mass shootings in this country, according to the gun violence archive, including a shooting at a tops grocery store in buffalo, flea market in houston, and at a memorial service in cleveland. here to help us understand how we can try and manage through all of this trauma's doctor patel, former obama white house policy director and msnbc medical contributor. let's start with a trauma to children. that story is horrific about this little girl smeared in blood. i mean, how do even explain that to other kids, and how duke it's like that even come back from something like this? >> joy, i think a couple of important points, and psychologists and psychiatrists

and primary care doctors were all here to try to be supportive, but number one actually acknowledge that [inaudible] -- so, this is normal. a normal reaction, is actually to feel a normal. and try to hide things from your child so that your feeling some emotions. and one of the most harmful things, because they are incredibly aware. i think the second is to quickly identify other symptoms that might be happening. your child might not talk about it, or you might not talk about it. but you might have physical symptoms, problems sleeping, problems with memory, being able to do daily activities, being on the lookout for everything. and then, everything they're talking about, self-care, they want to break it down to making it very easy, joy. so hard for us to try to take care of ourselves because we feel guilty, and i think sometimes we feel like it didn't happen to me, so how i feel -- so, we have actually tried to find small things that can just managing. and if you don't feel like it, and that includes with your

children, and just remember, only people capable of loving a strong link and have this overwhelming amount of brief, and that's normal. >> i talk to friends saying every time they see a child now, even though it's not even their child, they start bursting into tears. i've been going for a week. we've had some really tough meetings, just our meetings talking about doing the show, really emotional now, because you know, like i said, it's not you, but how do we, as a society, cope with two, what, two and a half years of constant trauma, mass shooting after mass shooting, 1 million people dead from covid. i feel like we're kind of in a trauma wormhole right now. >> we are, and we're not acknowledging right now how to deal with that trauma. and some people would say, you know, seek out help, mental health professional, that's not sufficient. joy, honestly, we can't even get patients into psychological, or psychiatric care. we need to eminently do this. that's incredibly important to seek out professional help, but my fear is that most of us are not even getting to that stage where we realize we need it. and i think that's where

self-care, and actually, self care involves caring for others. i think, you know, in the early part of the pandemic, people were so isolated, i think people now are in communities, seeing each other. but they're probably more isolated than ever because of the trauma that you just expressed. and so, being aware, being aware of others on your own symptoms as well. >> how much, whatever little kids ask, you know, what happened to these little kids who look like that, or who are their age? >> look, i'm not a child psychiatrist, so i don't know what you might -- i went and sought out this information from colleagues who are experts on this. and unfortunately, joy, the number one thing that they say is to let them speak their words. not to put words in their mouth, but to actually let them describe what they feel. and you see children in uvalde doing that, and then to actually then ask them questions and say, what does that make you think of? what does that make you feel? but not to expand it beyond what they say, and to allow that space, and also to talk to

teachers or any of the adults around them, to make sure that they are doing the same, so they can model that behavior. >> it's been a very difficult week, i think, for everybody. difficult to read through the little, you know, biographies of these beautiful little children, and you know, the grandmas and buffalo. this is hard. people think of news people as sort of hardened and cynical people. and i am incredibly cynical, when it comes to things like politics. but the stuff breaks you. doctor kavita patel thanks for being here. all in with chris hayes starts now. thanks for being here al>> tonight on all in -- >> [noise] >> righteous crowd protests in houston, as law enforcement admits to its catastrophic response. >> we've been in hindsight we're sitting now. that the forces are not in the city. >> and architects of the system that failed celebrate guns in houston, before facing the truth in uvalde. >> --