party. you can watch a field report on msnbc on wednesday at 10 pm eastern. it will be streaming on peacock. that does it for me. i'm zerlina. you could find me monday to friday on the peacock. you can follow us on facebook, twitter, tiktok, and more news is coming up on msnbc. coming up this is the katie phang show live from msnbc headquarters in new york city. we have a lot of news to cover and a lot of questions to answer. let's get started. shocking new images a show the terror that unfolded in uvalde, texas as kids escaped through the windows. this is as police are finally admitting to a string of failures, including inexplicable delays in entering the classroom where the gunman was. republican leader, republican leader, is escalating his standoff. he will likely find a subpoena

for documents. how the panel could respond to his defiance. a near total abortion ban. looser gun laws and political stands that cost millions of dollars to taxpayers. why republican policies are failing taxpayers. all of this and more is coming up. a good saturday morning to all of you. i am katie fang. let's start with a fact. i hope none of you will have to put this to use. caskets for children come in four different sizes and 11 different paint colors for the exterior. there's only one company that makes them in the united states. sadly, they have had a busy week. the company knee, cherokee caskets of georgia, is covering the cost of the cascades for all of the uvalde shooting

victims. it is 30 $400 each. the ceo told the daily beast quote, when we have sandy hook, that was a crazy day. we are tired. we are tired of doing these things. i am beyond tired. i am exhausted and overwhelmed by the death and tragedy of lives lost. as the days tick by in uvalde, there seems to be more and more questions arising. the questions that demand answers are simple. why did law enforcement not charge into the classroom sooner and save those children? what have happened if they had done something and not wait more than at our, according from to timeline from texas law enforcement? how many children's caskets really would have been needed? msnbc news has learned that federal agents who responded to the scene were ordered by local police to wait and not enter

the school. half an hour layer, they defied the lawyer -- of the people of uvalde are balancing their grief and outrage as the committee prepares to bury 19 children and two adults. for the latest on this devastating story, we go now to msnbc news correspondent, liz mclaughlin, who is live in a uvalde. she digs into the timeline of the attack and the police response. liz, thank you for being with us. there are so many questions regarding why officers did not enter the classroom sooner. what do we know today? i know it has been an evolving and changing story that we have heard from law enforcement. >> after days of confusion and inconsistencies in the timeline, officials admitted to a stunning string of failures in response to the school shooting at one robb elementary school. the gunman entered through a

door at 11:33 am. officers entered a few minutes after that. by 30 minutes later, 19 officers were in the hallway as sporadic gunfire continued. 100 gunshots were fired in that time. it was 77 minutes that elapsed until they breached the door using a key from a janitor. there is a lot of questions here, especially because, texas protocol say that in active shooter situation, and you've all the police were trained on this as to as of two months ago. they said the first priority is pursuit of the gunman. this can include ignoring the injured or cries of help from the children. the issue here is that the commanding officer determined this barricade. there is a slower protocols for a barricade or hostage situation. a safety director the says that this decision was a mistake. >> in hindsight, from where i'm sitting now, of course it was

not the right decision. it was the wrong decision. there is no excuse for that. again, i was not there. from what we know, we believe that there should have been an entry as soon as you can. >> governor greg abbott says that investigations are underway right now. he is livid that he was misled, as he put it, about those initial reports about the response, the fbi, texas rangers, who are all expected to be involved. the community demands answers and accountability. >> tell us more about how the community is coping in light of all of this tragedy? we are getting these new images of children getting out of windows at the school desperate to escape the shooter. and this is just more evidence, katie, that kids were at risk at this time. otherwise, kids would go out the front door. here they are climbing through the window. they are terrified and

horrified by what they have seen. as you can imagine, these children will be facing trauma for the rest of their lives. there are mental health experts and trauma experts, spiritual care volunteers in the city. i spent a lot of time with him yesterday from the red cross. they are here to comfort families and tried to help them deal with grief and trauma, katie. >> our thanks to liz mclaughlin in uvalde, texas. while the families in uvalde are trying to figure out how they could go on from here, 300 miles east, republicans are gathering to celebrate the culture of guns. it was the nra's scheduled annual meeting. donald trump and ted cruz saw nothing wrong speaking there after the aftermath of one of the country's deadliest shootings. crowds gathered outside the event to protest and call for gun control measures. one of the most prominent protesters, who is trying to unseat greg abbott in november.

look at this. across from the nra, children lined up with photos of the children killed in uvalde around their necks. one with the sign asking, am i next? msnbc's shaquille brewster is in houston this morning. what can you tell us about trump and cruz and what they had to say about all of this at the nra convention? >> it was not just trump and cruz but other republican officials and nra members. they talked a lot about issues unrelated to the weapon in the shooting. they talked about school security. former president trump said that school should be a hard top it and not a soft target. he talked about arming teachers and training teachers to be armed in situations like. this we heard ted cruz talk about limiting the construction to have just one entrance to the school to make it easier for someone to enter. it is having security at that entrance.

there was a lot of talk about school security. we have heard about this in previous school shootings. it is something that texas has invested in over the last couple of years. you heard a limit to talk about the weapon used. and the control about the weapons and the restrictions on those weapons. that talk was limited and confined, categorized, as a talk about politics. we heard ted cruz say that there are already gun laws on the books saying that none of the proposals that are out there, he says, would stop or prevent any of these tragedies that we are seeing. texas governor greg abbott, while he did not appear at the convention in person, he did have a video message for them. it was a prerecorded video message for attendees. he said that there are hundreds of gun laws on the books. again, you heard him that the laws on the books prevented this tragedy. there is no incentive for them, for the republican officials that we heard at the convention, to even consider any new gun

legislation. >> shaq, my understanding is that the protesters that are out there, the anti gun protesters, are larger in numbers than usual. do you see this having any impact or any influence on the entities at this convention? >> it's hard to say if it's going to have an impact or influence. a lot of people out here on the street in front of the convention center are yelling at each other calling each other names. it was very contentious and tense out here. there were no physical altercations or anything like that. it was not about conversation building outside the convention center. which you heard from the protest and their main message is that the wants some progress. they want on assault weapons ban. they want extensive background checks. they want to see legislative progress. this is not the message that you heard on the other side inside of the convention center. >> that is the latest from shaq brewster who was in houston at the nra convention. i also want to know, would any of these ideas, put forward by pro gun republicans, actually

have helped in uvalde. i'm going to talk to an end why pga tech dave the latest. turning over to the ukraine and overseas fight. russian forces are making incremental gains in the donbas region. president zelenskyy says that the situation there is very difficult. msnbc a rare aaron michael auckland is in bucha. tell sleeves that is going on over there. >> hi, katie. russia continues to make the incremental progress in the donbas this morning. the british defense ministry is saying that russian forces have captured the strategic a town of lyman in the donetsk oblast. it is a strategic town. it is a railroad hub. the defensive ministry is saying that it could potentially give russia an advantage, as they try to push further and further in the donetsk oblast. right now, russian forces are primarily concentrated on the

luhansk oblast. they are barreling down on the city of donetsk. there is intense shelling from all sides. ukrainians say that they are considering retreating from that town given the intense bombardment. we spoke to a local aid worker, a civilian, who fled the city. they said that it was so incredible iv was booed you. the destruction inside of that study itself. he managed to escape by riding his bike on the only road left, despite intense shelling. take a listen. >> you are on a bicycle. how did you manage to escape? >> i did not know that the road was under constant shelling because we did not have a phone signal since two weeks before. the bridge between donetsk and luhansk was damaged. it was possible to cross by bicycle. i crossed over. later, the same day, the bridge was destroyed.

>> we continue to hear these harrowing stories of survival. i have been speaking to a senior ukrainian official who tells me he is concerned about the situation, especially about the kind of assistance that they are seeing from the united states. he says the united states have promised to provide everything that ukraine needs for victory. right now, they are seeing short of that. for example, the u.s. is providing 85 howitzers for this fight. he says that ukrainian officials have been asking for hundreds of howitzers. right now, what we are seeing, is an artillery war. this is a side of the biggest and most impressive weapons and winds. ukrainian officials say that they are outmanned and outgunned in the donbas, katie. >> thank you to erin maclachlan in bucha. coming up, the only way to stop a black eye with the gun's fewer doors? take crews swapping the usual

good guy with the gun talking point with a new solution that has been marked by people around the world. what did the experts say? our law enforcement analyst is here and i will ask him about cruz's bizarre idea. later in the hour, in the aftermath of the sandy hook shooting, families had to deal with an unexpected curveball. i barrage of conspiracy theories. i will speak to someone who survived the attack and what the people and eovaldi can expect in the coming weeks and how they might cope. gary browne has more top stories that you might have missed overnight. >> thank you, katie. in a few hours, kamala harris will arrive in buffalo, new york. buffalo and st. cloud gentle and will attend the memorial service of ruth whitfield, a victim of the tops the supermarket on may 14th. is the final victim to be laid to rest. vice president will also meet with families of other victims.

the wall towards organization has now reporting 650 cases of hepatitis among children in 33 countries. in the united states, the cdc is investigating over 200 cases. most of the patients are under the age of five. the cause remains unknown. after six weeks of testimony, the defamation trial against amber heard is in the hands of the jury. the jury has to determine whether heard defamed depp when she wrote in essay for the washington post this describing herself as a domestic abuse survivor. in the closing arguments, they called her testimony a performance. more with katie fang after this commercial break. with katie fang after thi commercial break

liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for whatchya... line? need. liberty biberty— cut. liberty... are we married to mutual? only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

when it comes to cybersecurity, only pay for what you need. the biggest threats don't always strike the biggest targets. so help safeguard your small business with comcast business securityedge™ it's advanced security that continuously scans for threats and helps protect every connected device. the choice is clear. get unbeatable business solutions from the most innovative company. so you can be ready for what's next. get started with a great deal on internet and voice for just $49.99 a month for 24 months with a 2 -year price guarantee. just take a moment and imagine call today.

being any one of these parents in uvalde texas outside that

school during tuesday's shooting. [noise] >> y'all can't be like that, y'all can't be like that when this people. >> yes, because i'm having to deal with. you get across the street! get across the street! >> -- >> let's be clear, that video is just one snippet of what happened that day. there is still plenty that we don't know. this is the timeline that those pants and all of us are trying to comprehend. given to us by texas law enforcement yesterday, the shooter entered the school at 11:33. he immediately went down a hallway and began shooting into a classroom. 30 minutes, later there are as many as 19 police officers inside the school. at the same time, 9-1-1 gets a call from one of the students inside a classroom. then at 12:15, a member of the board of patrol tactical unit arrives. more 9-1-1 calls from inside

the school, including the sounds of gunfire. then finally, more than an hour after the shooter went inside the building at 12:50, law enforcement using a key obtained from the school janitor opens the door to the classroom where the shooter has barricaded himself. he is then shot, and killed. as we told you earlier, nbc news can report that federal agents were instructed by federal police to stay outside, but then those federal officers defied those orders half an hour later and rushed inside the school. that is according to two senior federal law enforcement officials. all of us have questions, especially those grieving in uvalde, and people across the country are demanding answers to help us put the pieces together this morning, i'm glad to welcome mark claxton. retired and ypg detective, and director of the black law enforcement alliance. mark, thank you for being here this morning. i need to get your reaction to that news conference held yesterday by authorities,

during which they confirmed that law enforcement waited to enter the costume where the shooter was located, all while children are calling 9-1-1 begging for help. >> that was really a confirmation of just how much of an absolute failure this tactical police operation was. instead of serving as an opportunity to rescue and save lives, and mitigate damage, and risk, it really was an act of group cowardice on that level. without a doubt, professional incompetence on the part of the police officers on the scene. ever since columbine, there has been a shift in the police response to these types of incidents, and across the nation the mandate is that the police automatically act and engage with the offender, and

do so in a way that puts themselves at great risk, but has a high probability of saving lives. >> chain of command is a critical aspect of law enforcement, i know that you know that. well, mark, tell me what it is like for an officer who is there outside of the school in uvalde, outside of the costume where the shooter was located, the officer who wanted to, breach the one who wanted to go in, but is being ordered by someone else not to do so? >> katie, that is one of the things about this. i know the police mindset and mentality, there are times when the chain of command, you have to follow the chain of command. it is definitely required. but there are sometimes when police officers, just because of their own personal makeup, will operate in a way that places themselves at great risk of death in order to save lives. the thought that so many officers could have been bound

and held in place by a single command, or command decision and still baffling to me and very troubling. it speaks poorly about the entire department, because surely there has to be some who were standing by outside of that school and not taking action who knew that the right thing to do was to engage, especially since they just recently, according to reports, had that kind of training. >> putting aside one of the obvious answers, which is gun control, i want to talk to you about how to prevent future school shootings. they have been a lot of suggestions, some really wacky thrown out there in the past few days. it is about texas senator ted cruz had to say. >> we don't have all these unlocked back doors, have one door into and out of the school. have that one door armed police officers at that door. if that had happen, if those federal grants had gone to the

school, when that psychopath arrived, the armed police officers could have taken him out, and we would have 19 children and two teachers still alive. >> mark, i was a prosecutor for half my career, i never prosecuted somebody for leaving a door open. how absurd is this proposal by ted cruz that the solution is to make sure that we don't have too many doors at our schools. >> ted cruz's statements were boldly and current, and dismissive of the clear obvious danger that is faced by so many people in society because of the prevalence of violence and gun violence in particular. it really shows just how so many political electives lack the fortitude to move forward, and do the right thing. save lives. instead of slogan earring. mr. crews and his other elected colleagues really should be

working on legislation that provides, or minimizes the risk of damage, and could quite possibly and probably save lives. that is some additional gun restrictions, some background checks, there are other things that are out there that will undoubtedly have the proven -- to be effective and save lives, and prevent this gun violence deaths. >> mark claxton, and retired and ypg, officer and law enforcement specialist, we thank you for being here this morning and your insights. >> thank you. >> and be sure to stay tuned to msnbc for more special coverage. alicia menendez host live from eovaldi today starting at 8 am eastern, and again at -- coming up later in our hour, kevin mccarthy is now saying he will defy a subpoena from the january 6th investigation committee. will the committee have the courage to refer him to the doj. plus, it is never a good sign if you are literally burning official documents.

that is what trump's former chief of staff reportedly did according to testimony from his former chief assistant. coming up next. assistant assistant coming and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. u said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line. what was it? [ sighs ] i can't remember. what happens when performance... meets power? you try crazy things... ...because you're crazy... ...and you like it. you get bigger... ...badder... ...faster. ♪ you can never have too much of a good thing...

and power is a very good thing. ♪ we are america's doctors. and some of us... and power is a very are grandparents too. we want you to know. we trust the covid vaccine. for ourselves. for our patients. for our kids. so should you. ♪ music ♪ like pulsing, electric shocks, sharp, stabbing pains, or an intense burning sensation. what is this nightmare? it's how some people describe... shingles. a painful, blistering rash that could interrupt your life for weeks. forget social events and weekend getaways. if you've had chickenpox, the virus that causes shingles is already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles. at adp, we use data-driven insights to design hr solutions to provide flexible pay options and greater workforce visibility today,

so you can have more success tomorrow. ♪ one thing leads to another, yeah, yeah ♪ my name is douglas. i'm a writer/director so you can have more success tomorrow. and i'm still working. in the kind of work that i do, you are surrounded by people who are all younger than you. i had to get help somewhere along the line to stay competitive. i discovered prevagen. i started taking it and after a period of time, my memory improved. it was a game-changer for me. prevagen. healthier brain. better life. guys, your masculinity is too important to trust to weak, outdated formulas. test x180 from force factor is powerful, with key ingredients to help you boost total testosterone.

build muscle, increase energy, and improve performance. rush to walmart for test x180 from force factor. what's on the horizon? the answers lie beyond the roads we know. we recognize that energy demand is growing, and the world needs lower carbon solutions to keep up. at chevron, we're working to find new ways forward, through investments and partnerships in innovative solutions. like renewable natural gas from cow waste, hydrogen-fueled transportation,

and carbon capture. we may not know just what lies ahead, but it's only human... to search for it. we are now 12 days away from those public hearings at the january six committee plans to hear. this details the deadly attack on the united states capitol. this morning, the panel has a major decision to make. do they take legal action against their own colleagues or not? republican leader, paul kevin mccarthy, will defy a subpoena to testify before them. he says that the committee is not legal or constitutional valid, despite this argument having been rejected by numerous courts. mccarthy has acknowledged that he spoke with trump on the day of the insurrection. the committee must now decide whether to refer him to the doj for contempt charges. whatever happens will affect how the other gop lawmakers

will respond to their subpoenas. all this comes as political reports then chief of staff, mark meadows, a burned papers in his office after meeting with a house republican who is working to challenge the 2020 election. this is according to a former employee who spoke to the committee. for more and all of this, we're joined by legal analyst, kirschner, who host a podcast called justice matters. it is a treat to have you again. let's start with the mccarthy news. it seems hardly surprising that mccarthy will say he will likely defy the subpoena from the january six committee. should the committee and will the committee, refer him to the doj for criminal prosecution? we have seen what happens with phil get referred. it is not a lot. >> how can the committee not refer him to a criminal prosecution? you cannot investigate crimes, including crimes by high government officials, if people

just turn their nose at lawfully issued subpoenas. make no mistake. this goes over and over again. the committee was lawfully constituted, accordingly, and it is lawfully exercising its power. as a matter of principle. the january six committee must refer kevin mccarthy for criminal contempt of congress if he chooses to turn his nose to the subpoena. someone better tell kevin mccarthy to buckle up buttercup, there are a whole lot of crimes that you will be committing if you continue to conceal the misconduct of donald trump from the january six committee, and by extension, the american people. you are not just making a crime of contempt of congress, you are potentially committing a crime of accessory after the fact and a misrepresentation of a felony. these are in title 18 of the

criminal code. i have the ugly big blue book of crimes. if you cover up the crimes of another, and those crimes are quote, recognizable in the eyes of the united states, you are committing a criminal offense. it is subversion of a felony. we have a judge who was already fined by the preponderance of evidence that trump and smith committed crimes that are recognizable in the court in the united states. mccarthy, potentially, has a whole lot of trouble coming his way if he continues to conceal the crimes of donald trump. >> glenn, time is not on their side. time is not their friend for the january 6th committee. let's noodle this a little bit. do you really need kevin mccarthy and the whole crew to come before you at the january six committee? we have public hearings that under two weeks. do you really need them?

can you make the referred to doj and prepare and present to the american public? if so, if you are doing the presentation, how would you tee it up to make the maximum impact for america? >> the january six committee probably does not need the testimony of kevin mccarthy. it undoubtedly wants the testament of mccarthy. he has firsthand information. he has direct evidence of the words that were coming out of donald trump's mouth on january 6th, while trump, after launching his angry mob on the capitol for more than three hours, he refused to call off the attack. this is notwithstanding the fact that multiple people were streaming into his office and into the adjacent dining room begging him and pleading him to call off the attack. how i would presented if i was presenting the evidence to these committee, you are going to get the benefit of all the witnesses productivity mccarthy

and to who he may have said, you cannot believe what presidents trump just told me. i would have an empty chair. you can have kevin mccarthy testify and refute any of this if it isn't accurate. he chose to commit the crime himself of contempt of congress, rather than being here sitting in the chair and telling the american people what he knew. we will hunt hit -- hold him accountable for this cover-up. >> politico is reporting that the january 6th committee has heard testimony that mark meadows burned papers in his office after meeting with scott perry. this is in weeks following the election. this follows a familiar pattern. the trump white house, where record keeping officials reported that they had to regulate with scotch tape to reconstruct papers from donald trump. mark meadows has his finger prints on everything here. do you think the doj is trying

to give him a lesser sentence for his cooperation. >> -- that was 170 days ago. he has yet to be prosecuted. i have to believe that the doj is looking at him or larger criminal caucuses for negotiation to get him in front of this justice frame. it is gathering speed. with mark meadows getting rid of paper in the fireplace and donald trump getting rid of papers in interesting ways, about which we have heard, and unlawfully removing papers from the oval office, to help you violate the presidential act, we should start calling it a component of donald trump's paper gate. these people seem to have a real problem retaining paper. this is an investigation that seems to be forever expected. i for one of woo-hoo forward to

beginning to see for myself, in those live congressional hearings, that are scheduled to take off on june 9th, precisely what was going on inside the trump administration. thanks to msnbc legal analyst and my fellow justice warrior, glenn kershner. coming up. a total abortion ban. political stance that are costing taxpayers millions of dollars. how republican policies are impacting texans coming up next. impacting texans a once-daily pl next can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some...rinvoq can even significantly that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack. rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb.

serious infections and blood clots, some fatal; cancers, including lymphoma and skin cancer; death, heart attack, stroke, and tears in the stomach or intestines occurred. people 50 and older with at least one heart disease risk factor have higher risks. don't take if allergic to rinvoq as serious reactions can occur. tell your doctor if you are or may become pregnant. talk to your rheumatologist about rinvoq relief. rinvoq. make it your mission. learn how abbvie could help you save on rivnoq. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke.

report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor if latuda is right for you. pay as little as zero dollars for your first prescription. no matter who you are, being yourself can be tough when you have severe asthma. triggers can pop up out of nowhere, causing inflammation that can lead to asthma attacks. but no matter what type of severe asthma you have, tezspire™ can help. tezspire™ is a new add-on treatment for people 12 and over... that proactively reduces inflammation... ...which means you could have fewer attacks, breathe better, and relieve your asthma symptoms. so, you can be you, whoever you are. tezspire™ is not a rescue medication. don't take tezspire™ if you're allergic to it. allergic reactions like rash or an eye allergy can happen. don't stop your asthma treatments unless your doctor tells you to. tell your doctor if you have a parasitic infection or your asthma worsens. sore throat, joint and back pain may occur.

avoid live vaccines. by helping control your asthma, tezspire™ can help you be you. no matter who you are, ask your asthma specialist about tezspire™ today. right now, we're all feelin' a little strapped. but weekends are still all about grilling. and walmart always keeps prices low on our fresh ingredients. so you can save money and live better. ♪ the gop has been really busy in

texas lately. with a string of policies and stuns have, the state in turmoil. last, year governor abbott signed a 22 pieces of legislation that make it easier to buy, carry, and own a gun. this is something he conveniently has not references tuesday's mass shooting. gop leaders have spent the two last legislative sessions regulating women's bodies which bore bans abortion six weeks into pregnancy. we cannot forget his foray in political theater. he cost the state millions of dollars by stopping every single truck that tried to carlos the southern border, just to make a point about illegal immigration. in another stunt, he used to taxpayer dollars to bus on

illegal immigrants to d.c.. these republican votes are costing the people in texas more than money, but costing them lives. coming now is the chairman of the democratic caucus, chris turner. representative, we laid it out there. it seems as though texas is taking a hard right turn with many moves resulting in real world consequences. is republican leadership in your state feeling people in texas and what are you doing as a democrat, to make sure that you are moving the needle in the opposite direction? >> good morning. the u.s. republican leadership is a feeling the people of texas, specifically under greg abbott. we've been under political republican leadership for the last 30 years. it is been under greg abbott for the last eight years and taken to a whole new level of incompetence, and government, i completely out of touch with

the powers that this effect. you hit on key issues there. looking at the tragedy that has unfolded this week in texas and you've all day, after the el paso sure shooting at walmart were 23 texans were killed, democrats demanded that abbott took action. they wanted to adopt common sense gun safety actions. like background checks, stolen weapons to be reported to police officers. he said in the next regular session that he signed multiple laws expanding access to guns. most notably, he removed the requirement that you have to have a license and have training to carry a handgun in this state. they are out of touch with the people of texas. they ignore the real problems and they make other problems worse. >> the democrats filed more

than 50 bills on gun safety. more than 50. none of which have come to reality. i saw that you were also advocating that it is time to reenact the federal assault weapons ban restrictions. are you looking for more guidance and help from the federal government. it is not necessarily going well for any of us across the united states? >> i think that the texas legislator needs to act. and no am i suggesting that this is on congress. they need to take action in texas. we need federal solutions to this. it is little good for -- me to have a one set of laws in one state and someone go to another state and purchase a gun without the same level of scrutiny and bring it across state lines. a federal solution is what is needed. i look back i would president clinton and other democrats did in the 90s to pass the

background checks and assault weapons ban. we have seen since the assault weapons ban was allowed to expire in 2004 and 2005, the number of mass shootings, number of fatalities in mass shootings has dramatically increased. there is a direct correlation between the assault weapons ban no longer being in effect and some of the tragedies that we have seen over the last 15 to 17 years. >> it has been a really difficult week for you, and the people of texas, and specifically uvalde. just days -- after spoke at the nra convention-ing how in houston. they both express their hope for the community, a place the blame squarely on the shooter only. they had very little to say about gun control. what kind of messaging is happening here? and how does that affect the families in communities that are in mourning now? >> well, i was incredibly disappointed and angry that cruz and abbott both kept their schedule and spoke to the nra convention. a bit of course provided a video instead of going in

person. but the idea of both being in the nra in texas just three days after this horrific tragedy, what the should've done is tell the nra to postpone or cancel their convention, that it was inappropriate for them to be in texas at this horrible time. with cruz, whatever the situation, as you can always count on crews to do the exact wrong thing. so, i'm not surprised that he was there, just like i'm not surprised that he flew to cabo, or wherever he went back when we had the winter storm and millions in texas were without power. >> well he did earn the moniker, cancun crews. >> we thank you for fighting the good fight. thank you for being here this morning. >> warning these school shootings has -- sadly become a ritual in america with no wheel action ever taken a decade, a decade after sandy hook. i will talk to mary and jacob, one of the survivors of the

elementary school shooting coming up next. elementary school coming up next and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour. (vo) when it comes to safety, who has more iihs top safety pick plus awards— the highest level of safety you can earn? subaru. when it comes to longevity, who has the highest percentage of its vehicles still on the road after ten years? subaru. and when it comes to brand loyalty, who does jd power rank number one in the automotive industry for three consecutive years? subaru. it's easy to love a car you can trust. it's easy to love a subaru.

the world is full of make or break moments. it'sespecially if you haveu can tpostmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture, it's time to make your move to help reduce your risk of fracture with prolia®. only prolia® is proven to help strengthen and protect bones from fracture with 1 shot every 6 months. do not take prolia® if you have low blood calcium, are pregnant, are allergic to it, or take xgeva®. serious allergic reactions like low blood pressure, trouble breathing, throat tightness, face, lip or tongue swelling, rash, itching or hives have happened. tell your doctor about dental problems, as severe jaw bone problems may happen or new or unusual pain in your hip, groin, or thigh, as unusual thigh bone fractures have occurred. speak to your doctor before stopping, skipping or delaying prolia®, as spine and other bone fractures have occurred. prolia® can cause serious side effects, like low blood calcium, serious infections, which could need hospitalization, skin problems, and severe bone, joint, or muscle pain. don't wait for a break. call your doctor now and ask how prolia® can help you.

♪ ♪ bonnie boon i'm calling you out. everybody be cool, alright? we've got bonnie right here on a video call. we don't take kindly to video calls. oh, in that case just tap to send a message. we don't take kindly to messages neither. in that case how 'bout a ringcentral phone call. we don't take kindly to no... would you can it eugene! let's just hear her out. ha ha ha, i've been needing a new horse. we've got ourselves a deal. ♪ ♪ ♪ ringcentral ♪ this is not the stallion i was imagining. hi. we're zerowater. and we believe everyone deserves ♪ ringcentral ♪ the purest tasting water. that's why we strive for zero. you see, to some it means nothing. but to us, it means everything. here, take a look. this meter showing triple zeros means our five-stage filter did its job, and that virtually all dissolved solids or tds have been removed. and all that's left is the purest tasting water. let's compare. a two-stage brita filter stops here. but our five-stage filter doesn't quit. >> as we all try and process zerowater. we strive for zero.

another tragic mass shooting in this country, we are reminded of a depressing reality, that these events have become a vicious cycle. versions of this routine have been circulating on social media all week. let's break it down. images of the aftermath play out on our screens around the clock, these are just some of the deadliest shootings over the past decade that have propelled entire news cycles. then come the thoughts and prayers, followed by the big gun debate, both online and in congress, which goes nowhere. eventually, things begin to die down, people move on, the lives untouched by the violence move on. it is a depressing and predictable trend, in fact so predictable to boston globe in some ways predicted the next mass shooting before it even happened.

writing after the parkland attack four years ago, quote, it will be a man, or maybe still a boy, he will have a semi automatic rifle, and ar-15, he will walk into a school and he will open fire into a crowd of innocence. even though most people move on, it is a different story for those whose lives are forever changed, like marianne jacob. she is one of the survivors of the sandy hook elementary school shooting, and she joins me now. marianne, on december 14th 2012, you huddled in the closet with eight and nine year old kids when a gunman come to school and ultimately killed -- and six adults. this was almost a decade to, go and i know these memory still haunts you, they probably get sharper and harsher when you see pictures like the ones coming out of uvalde texas. what is going through your mind at this time? >> good, morning, katie thank you for having me. i think one of the things that goes through my mind the most strongly is the anger that we are still going through this, and that there is another 21

families who have lost loved ones, and how we know how to solve this problem, but we don't have the fortitude to do it. how every single person in our country is culpable who is not taking action by talking to the people who are the leaders in this country about what needs to be done. >> how can the people who are around the eovaldi survivors, and -- how can they help them get through the next few weeks and coming months? what benefited you after everything that happened almost a decade ago? >> you know, presuming things are relatively the same, which unfortunately i think they probably are,saw is that people were very focused on the mental health of the victims, the victims families, and the children who survived. but these surviving adults, and the parents of the children who survived or largely left on their own. lots of people would say, what do you need, as if we all know

what we need after a mass shooting. but nobody would be able to really prescribe what we did need. i would encourage that people, the pediatricians, the primary physicians in that community, to start making sure that resources are in place for the mental health support that is going to be needed for hundreds of people in a small community like that, it certainly does not have in place today. >> something else that becomes predictable, sadly and almost disgustingly, are the wild conspiracy theories, and the disinformation that follow him a shooting. just hours after the shooting in uvalde, there are already these conspiracy theories like the baseless claims online about the gunman being transgender or an illegal immigrant, or saying that it was somehow staged. according to the ap -- but as we know, alex jones launched an entire disinformation campaign about the sandy hook shooting being a hoax. should the uvalde community members prepare themselves for

this kind of care -- and how might they cope if that happens? >> honestly, katie, i refuse to have a conversation about that or those theories, because i think by promoting it in the media, we are encouraging it, and disseminating in a way that it shouldn't be. mentioning his name is second only to mentioning the shooter's name to a survivor or their families. what we should be focused on now is the healing of those members of the community, and how we can prevent this from happening again. >> speaking, of and i appreciate that sentiment by the way, speaking of, what kind of gun reform are you looking for? are you looking for the wholesale removal of firearms from the community, or are you looking for gun legislation was something as basic background checks? >> i haven't heard one person in the news, or in my life say that they are looking for the whole removal of weapons. that is a rhetoric that is used by the second amendment far far extremist, and the nra, the fact of the matter is those of us who live in the radical

middle, then 90 plus percent of americans, we know -- we have holes across the country where there are states that don't endangers all of us, we also need to look at semiautomatic weapons, and their proliferation in our community, and whether or not they are necessary. governor abbott calls the long gun history in texas is part of the fabric of the community, an ar-15 is not part of long gun history, nor is it part of the fabric of the community. it is a weapon of war that is made to kill people. >> our thanks to sandy hook survivors, may jacobs, i thank you for being, here thank you. and a quick programming note, alicia menendez and -- host their shows live from uvalde texas today and tomorrow. you can watch or right after -- at 2 pm eastern only on msnbc. thanks for watching. thanks for watching.

what happens when performance... meets power? you try crazy things... ...because you're crazy... ...and you like it. you get bigger... ...badder... ...faster. ♪ you can never have too much of a good thing... and power is a very good thing. ♪ if you've been living with heart disease, reducing cholesterol can be hard, even when you're taking a statin and being active. but you can do hard.

you lived through thirty-seven red-eye flights... in a middle seat. eleven miracle diets... forty-two college campus tours... four overseas postings... one minor stroke... and four citywide blackouts... and with leqvio, you can lower your cholesterol, too. when taken with a statin, leqvio is proven to lower bad cholesterol by over 50% and keep it there with two doses a year. common side effects of leqvio were injection site reaction, joint pain, urinary tract infection, diarrhea, chest cold, pain in legs or arms, and shortness of breath. with leqvio, lowering cholesterol becomes just one more thing life throws your way. ask your doctor if leqvio is right for you. lower. longer. leqvio.

cancer research requires bold and innovative thinking. everyone's experience with cancer matters. it is in our stories and data that the answers can be found. i want effective treatment for the next generation. if you're a cancer patient in the u.s. and its territories or canada, you may be able to help science uncover the next breakthrough by sharing your patient data and unique experience with researchers. for our family. for our friends. for us all. join stand up to cancer, count me in, and patients already participating thanks for watching the katie at standuptocancer.org/countmein.

phang show. i will be back tomorrow with an extra hour of my show. we will be on from seven to 9 am eastern. anchors live from uvalde starting right now. >> good morning. today is saturday, may 28th. i'm alicia menendez in fervor she. i'm in uvalde, texas, where police are admitting to a string of failures in their botched response to a school shooting at robb elementary school that left 19 children dead and two teachers dead. details revealing how horrific the mass shooting was. msnbc news has learned that federal agents who responded to the scene were ordered by local police to wait and not enter the school. half an hour later, they defied the order and went in. this