phang show. i will be back tomorrow with an extra hour of my show. we will be on from seven to 9 am eastern. anchors live from uvalde starting right now. >> good morning. today is saturday, may 28th. i'm alicia menendez in fervor she. i'm in uvalde, texas, where police are admitting to a string of failures in their botched response to a school shooting at robb elementary school that left 19 children dead and two teachers dead. details revealing how horrific the mass shooting was. msnbc news has learned that federal agents who responded to the scene were ordered by local police to wait and not enter the school. half an hour later, they defied the order and went in.

this is according to two senior law enforcement officials. authorities say that students were trapped inside the classroom with the gunman and repeatedly called 9-1-1 as local officers waited in the hallway for nearly an hour to take action. following days of confusion and misinformation, we are getting the clearest timeline yet. around 11:30 am, the shooter crashed his car. a 9-1-1 car was placed. shooting began outside of the school. within minutes, the scooter entered the school and fired off 100 rounds. by 12:03 pm, nearly 20 officers stood in a hallway outside of the classrooms. it was not until 12:50 that the classroom was reached using cues from the gender. by 12:58, the shooter was killed. some of the children who survived the massacre are describing what they saw, while desperately waiting for help to arrive.

>> we were watching a movie. we heard banging. my teacher got up to see what it was was. she said, oh my god, he has a gun. when he started shooting we hid behind my teacher's desk. >> the cops said help if you need help. one of the persons in my class and help. the guy overheard and came in and shot her. then the cops barged into that classroom. he said it is time to die. i was hiding hard and telling my friend to not talk. >> [speaking spanish]

>> this community, this country, grappling with the horror of this mass shooting that claimed so many young lives and the lives of the teachers who were trying to protect them. joining me now is national security and intelligence correspondent and msnbc correspondent, alyssa mclaughlin. can, i want to start with you. what more are we learning about the breakdown in the local police response to the mass shooting? >> good morning, alicia. after days of spewing misinformation, at texas state police officials gave, what appeared to buy be a clear timeline yesterday. so everyone understands, they are reporting on this. this was not the scene. they were responding to it. it is the local police who are responsible, as far as we can tell, for this disaster. there was a cascading series of errors, including by one teacher, who we are learning left a door at the school propped open in violation of

policies. the timeline is as follows. 11:30, the shooter arrives. apparently, a school resource officer drove by him in the parking lot. he enters the unlocked school door. within minutes, he is in the two adjoining classrooms. by 11:33, he fires off 100 rounds from his assault rifle at those children. many children and the teachers were killed instantly. many more survived. i should add, the school classroom door was unlocked in violation of policy, the police say. he then locked it and locked himself in there. many of the children survive. this is where the horror is compounded by colossal misjudgment. what we are told is the commander on the scene, who was the chief of the validity police district force, the officer of six police officers, said once the initial shooting was over, they were no longer in risk.

it was a barricaded subject situation and not an active situation. he decided, therefore, that they should wait. i missed one thing. some you've all the police officers chased him into the school, took fire, they were grazed, and then backed off. now the police are waiting, and waiting. then 9-1-1 calls come in from the children inside of the classroom. it includes one at 12:10 where a girl says that between eight and nine children remain alive in there. it is not clear how much of that information got to the police on the scene. the implication is that some of it did. this is how it worked. the commander knew that and continued to wait. while the texas police officials say yesterday that two of the children who called 9-1-1 survived, we know one, and marie, your garza, who says that she died after calling 9-1-1. this raises questions about whether children who were wounded and deleted died.

this went on for 40 minutes until federal agents, border patrol, and accolade agents who arrived on the scene at 12:15, alicia, and grew frustrated because they were kept outside by this local police commander, they decided on their own initiative that they were going in. they got the key to the door from the janitor. the door had been locked. they formed what they called a stack and used a ballistic shield to stop the bullets that were coming from the shooter as they entered the door. they shot him and put 15 bullet holes in his body. that is how it ended. finally, after days of misinformation, the texas police officials acknowledge this is not how it should have gone. this was a colossal series of misjudgements, teresa. >> the, you followed all of this. what have officials told you about how officers are trained for situations like this? >> officers are taught to enter in small formations even if it is one or two formations to

disable the shooter. texas protocols include materials that were reviewed on trained on with the uvalde police department two months ago. this included instructions to essentially go the immediate priority is to disable the shooter. this is even if there are injured. they need to bypass. if there are children crying out for help. this was clearly not part of the protocol. there are different protocols for a barricade situation, a hostage situation. they are saying that the decision that it was a barricade situation was a wrong one. we heard from the texas public safety director, stephen mcgraw, this is what he had to say. >> by the way, texas embraces active shooter training, active shooter certification. that doctrine requires -- i don't care what agency your from. you do not need a leader on the

scene. every officer lines up, stacks up, goes for the rounds are firing ad and keep students of the subject is dead. >> there is an investigation underway right now to try to figure out exactly what happened and how and if officers will be held accountable. we don't see fbi is involved in the investigation. do we know they are involved in the investigation of the suspect in the shooting or when the police response balances investigation as well? >> that is an important question. the texas official you just heard yesterday, when he heard that, he says the actions of every official involved is being scrutinized by the texas rangers and the fbi. generally, the fbi does not investigate questions of police incompetence. they look at civil rights or use of force. there is precedent for police officers in mass shootings coming under scrutiny. part in case, we remember there

was a school resource officer that is charged with a crime because he did not go in. it is a different situation. this is a judgment from the commander on the scene, a man named pete tara dunnville. if it turns out that the man knew very well that there was all of these 9-1-1 calls from the children begging for help inside, and he still decided to help, a lot of people will reasonably help -- would recently asked the question, can there be a criminal investigation here, alicia. >> thank you both. i want to bring in msnbc terrorism analyst jim kafanov. he is a retired atf special agent in charge and former hostage negotiation jim. we heard police admit to a string of mistakes that cost lives, including driving by the shooter, not breaching the classroom he was in with students. where was the breakdown in communication that happened? >> the officers were brave. 19 officers were in the hallway

pretty quickly. they took fire. some were wounded. they reached the breach point. discussions missed the mark often from what we hear in the media saying it is not a hostage barricade. this is not determined by the police. it is determined by the killer. he barricaded himself in a room with people who were alive that he could kill at any moment. he was keeping the hostage at bay. it is wrapped in an active's shooter situation. the ferry here was, when he transition to the hostage back barricade, the on scene commander immediately has to assume, whether he got the 9-1-1 information or not, he has to immediately believe in the said that there are wounded people outdid that are injured. he does not have time to put care, audio reserve. he does not need the 9-1-1

information. he asked to believe that there are wounded in there that are bleeding. this talk takes time for being neutral in the judgment to be against him. time in these things is for you and sometimes against you. sometimes it is neutral. you have to understand this as the commander. moves should have been, once they reach the breached point, which is a wall of a locked classroom, they had to transfer from active shooter drills, which has no breaching capabilities across america, he had to transition to what we call an emergency assault. the key is, i have to get a true, -- if you get through the door, through the wall, through the window, that the killer cannot execute those inside. he has a gun that killed 30 people in 30 to 40 seconds. as fast as he can pull the trigger he can kill 30 people. you cannot pry open the door, a bang on the, door starts some sloppy entry in here, that will cause him to massacre children.

you need to stop. you need to take a stutter step. you need to set up your stacks in the hallway with keys and both doors. they should have had. there's a failure they did not have. i would have sent riflemen around the back to the window. see if they can get a shot at the killer. maybe they can. maybe they cannot. we would do what we call a sniper initiated attack. on the commanders order, by radio, the sniper would shoot, one shot only. they will kill miss or wound the assailant these tax would go in. doors will go open. and kill him and shoot him before he killed the children. >> when people say is not a house to -- it is a high-level of active training -- it was in an active shooter event. this is when the tactics have to change to an emergency assault to breach. there's a lot going on here. we are putting a lot of decisions on the chief of a six

man pd. he has never been involved in these cases or barricades or shoot outs like this. or any training that is extensive for atf and the fbi or big city police chiefs and police departments or state troopers. they operate in this world. it is a decision-making that is the problem. this chief probably did not have that. nevertheless, americans aren't already. our patrols are not ready for bridging. every chief sheriff of trooper or commander needs to fix this quick. the next one -- it is less than what we should've had from virginia tech at the barricade and the lancaster school shooting where the guy barricaded doors to scare the children. those are lessons we should have learned. i talked about those four years. i cannot get anyone to pay attention. i knew we were going to get into this barricade of an active shooter. this is how it gets when that

happens. >> joining the conversation is julián castro and former secretary of urban housing and development. thank you for being with me. you are going to be with me a lot of the day. talk to me about what we are hearing from governor abbott. this claim that he is making that he was misled on the details by officials. what does this tell you? >> the governor came out yesterday and said that he was livid. he had not got all of the information. it is going to be difficult for him to sell that in texas. it has been the tech texas department of public safety, his agency, that has been leading the response to explain what has happened. the story changed three times in four days. for governor abbott. i think he's going to have a difficult time saying that he also comes on the heels of what texas views as other failures

like the winter storm in early 2021 or the recently debacle at stopping illegal drugs at the u.s. mexico border. there is a fear developing around homeowners of credibility as well. it maybe he didn't know. it may also be the people feel like they did not get the facts before they went out there and got the statements that they made. >> you will continue with the politics all of this. this is how we come to a pace of policy and solution. jen, before i lose to, everyone who is watching wants to know how we make sure something like this never happens again we will talk to politicians, policymakers, but from your vantage point, why do we need to understand? >> you have the secretary sitting right there. he was the mayor of san antonio. he led the police there. he understands. you need leadership to say this is what we are going to do.

the first thing is, the active police shooter the view response are right there. these things unfold in 12 minutes. swat takes longer to get there, maybe 45 minutes. they have exclusive tools on what -- they have cameras, they have flash bangs, they have a lot of gear. the one thing that we need to be able to put and equip the frontline patrol officers with, is to do light breaching. if they had locked the outer door of the school and they cannot getting. i do this in a training scenario many years ago and we talked about the active shooting training. i was the commander in. that when they stack him down the hall in the school doing the training. i locked the hallway door. i want to see what happened. guess what, it blew the whole exercise. all of the officers coming down with the rifles and the stack in a triangle, they hit a locked door. they had no equipment to do anything.

i knew back then that this was going to be a problem. of course, covering virginia tech where they padlock the doors. it killed 32 people. the school in lancaster, pennsylvania, and i talked with agents and colleagues. since that time, does patrol have the ability to breach? they need to fix that. one last comment, if you do not have the tools >>. just get it here quicker. they have all of the breaching tools to get you inside or outside of court. >> jim kavanaugh and thank you, secretary castro, who will be staying with me. over the next two hours, we are going to dig into the investigation into the robb elementary school mass shooting and how the community is coping. as i mentioned earlier, hours from here, the am r -- and r a are holding its annual

convention calling for background checks. we prepared to bury 19 of their children. dara brown is here with other top stories. >> good morning to you, alicia. kamala harris is set to arrive in buffalo new york later this morning. harris will meet with the families of the victims of the recent mass shooting and will attend the service of ruth whitfield, the last member to be laid to rest. the cdc says that it has identified ten cases of monkeypox across eight states in the u.s., adding that the country is prepared to respond. the cdc is also investigating more than 200 mysterious cases of hepatitis among children. world health organization says that it has identified 650 cases in 33 countries. and the trial of a better for worse, they captured americas attention after six weeks of testimony. the defamation trial against amber heard is now in the hands of the jury.

not go anywhere. more news from, texas, is after a quick break. , texas, is afte a quick break. bipolar depression. it made me feel trapped in a fog. stories of bipolar depression. i just couldn't find my way out of it. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place. latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor if latuda is right for you.

pay what's it like havinglars for yxfinity internet?ption. ask your doctor if latuda it's beyond gig-speed fast. so gaming with your niece, has never felt more intense. hey what does this button do? no, don't! we're talking supersonic wi-fi. three times the bandwidth and the power to connect hundreds of devices at once. that's powerful. couldn't said it better myself. you just did. unbeatable internet from xfinity. made to do anything so you can do anything. whoa. behind me is the memorial that

rose more and more crowded by the day. flowers, candles, and messages, and 21 crosses for 21 people. 19 of them are children who should still be here today. life as we know it has come to a halt in uvalde, texas. the community is involved in a measurable grief. less than 300 miles away, in houston, texas, right wing politicians fall fined by the gun lobby are carrying as normal carry on with the national rifles association conference as if 21 behind people behind me were not signed with an ar-15 rifle. they argue that 18-year-olds should legally be allowed to purchase. for decades, the nra has led

the campaign to alter gun rights. it does so by weaponizing myths and propaganda. many of the arguments you here today, in favor of gun rights, originated from the nra. the gun lobbyists most expected messenger. many of the arguments are false or misleading, like this one. the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. nra ceo wayne lapierre uttered these infamous words in response to the sandy hook shooting were 26 children and staff were murdered. you probably heard this quote countless times in the last ten years, arguing that a fully armed citizen population is the thing that will stop bad guys with guns. the truth is, armed citizens are really successful when intervening to stop an active shooter. in fact, armed citizens with little to no training can actually make things worse.

an fbi study of 160 active shooting incidents from 2000 to 2013, found that only one was stopped by an individual with a valid permit. in contrast, 21 incidents were stopped by unarmed citizens. the good guy with a gun argument unraveled before our eyes and uvalde. there were trained officers with guns at the rob elementary school. the gunman was still able to carry out this massacre. it is another myth spread by the nra and the gun lobby. owning a gun makes you inherit safer. it is not uncommon for americans to arm themselves to protect their families, homes, and businesses. there is mounting evidence that owning a gun can actually increase your risk of gun related injuries or deaths. center for american progress points to several studies that define gun ownership increases gun homicide and suicides. the american journal for public health finds that guns in the home are especially dangerous

for victims of domestic violence. one of the nra's a fevered series is the slippery slope argument. it feeds into gun owners paranoia that their firearms will be taken away by the government. it is the idea that any gun safety effort, like background checks, red flag laws, will start a slippery slide into formerly disowning citizens. in reality, none of the serious laws or legislation that have been composed in the last decade have called for taking away the right to bear arms. in fact, an upcoming supreme court case could actually expand gun rights. they say that these supreme court plans to run in favor with a case that would loosen carrying laws. the gun lobbies, specifically the nra, has had a hand in the pre perception. gun laws are dictated by one single sentence in the constitution. a well regulated militia,

necessary for the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. the sentence has been debated for years. many constitutional scholars say that the second amendment actually centers around the federal government's role as a posed to an individual's right to bear arms. or unless they were warned by berger. he was appointed by richard nixon. -- this is back in 1991. let's take a listen. this is >> a well regulated mils necessary for the defense of this estate and the rights to bear arms. this has been the subject of one of the biggest pieces of fraud. i repeat the word fraud. on the american public. we have special interest groups that i've never seen in my lifetime. >> it does not necessarily matter how you interpret the sentence. the nra has already effectively used it to block any or all

inadequate gun reform. -- they are teetering on financial distress an internal turmoil. she was still powerful. partly because of the enduring lives and misinformation that it has pumped into the american psyche. after a quick break, castro is here to cut through the gun lobby campaign against misinformation. misinformation covered by progr, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. covid-19 moves fast, and now you can too by asking your healthcare provider ment is right for you. oral treatments can be taken at home and must be taken within 5 days from when symptoms first appear. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they're mild don't wait, get tested quickly. if you test positive and are at high risk for severe disease, act fast ask if an oral treatment is right for you.

covid-19 moves fast and now you can too. if your moderate to severe crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis symptoms are stopping you in your tracks... choose stelara® from the start... and move toward relief after the first dose... with injections every two months. stelara® may increase your risk of infections, some serious, and cancer. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you have an infection, flu-like symptoms, sores, new skin growths, have had cancer, or if you need a vaccine. pres, a rare, potentially fatal brain condition, may be possible. some serious allergic reactions and lung inflammation can occur. feel unstoppable. ask your doctor how lasting remission can start with stelara®. janssen can help you explore cost support options.

fanduel and draftkings, two out of state corporations making big promises to californians. what's the real math behind their ballot measure for online sports betting? 90% of profits go to the out of state corporations permanently. only eight and a half cents is left for the homeless. and in virginia, arizona, and other states, fanduel and draftkings use loopholes to pay far less than was promised. sound familiar? it should. it's another bad scheme for california.

the more information i found, got me more curious. researching my family on ancestry has given me a purpose. we discovered that our family has been in new mexico for hundreds of years. it showed how much my family was really rooted in campbell county. it was really finding gold. the best part is feeling like i really have roots. don't be afraid to open the door, there's so much information on the other side. ultimately, as we all know,

what's stops aren't bad guys his arm to get guys. angels >> as the age old saying goes, the only way to stop a back and look again, is a good guy with a gun. have you ever heard? that now you never heard that. texas senator ted cruz, and the former president at the nra conference yesterday pushing that false narrative yet again. i am joined by former house secretary and msnbc analysts here in uvalde texas. help me understand why the nra has been able to maintain such a stronghold over the republican party. >> i think it is too. things unfortunately it is an instance where money talks and politics. we are listening to ted cruz, ted cruz over the course of his

political career has taken hundreds of thousands of dollars from the nra and prominent members and that has an influence. they're one of the most influential groups especially when it comes to right-wing politics. the second thing is especially in the republican party. the primary is everything and so you have these politicians are so worried about getting a little bit too far out there, they would say to the, left on. guns and then any primary with the support of the nra, and it's money i think i would say legitimately you have a lot of single issue owners who care about passionately about the issue of guns, and they have done a better job historically of dropping off those voters than folks who want to gun control have been making that an important issue that people go and show up to the polls on. and as long as that is the case, you're going to keep that with the ted cruz's, great gambits, and others who doubled down on. this >> and you are talking to people, advocates, who huge gun safety and they talk about the fact that this is gonna have to

be a multi year effort to match the maritimes as the nra has had to build around this. there is some sound from tankers offering his solution to the school shooting, let's take a listen. i have introduced legislation to save shoe schools like this lead to like the school behind we can get federal grants to harden their security to put in bulletproof doors, bullet proof glass, to put in our police officers to protect kids. 1.3 billion dollars in federal funds that are available again. the democrats blocked a vote on it, and i've got to say, this is frustrating here. >> your response to senator cruz? look, i think folks agree with providing good security at schools. i don't think you'll find a parent out there who says no i don't want the doors to be secure and so forth. at the same time, i think a lot of folks understand that that's not enough. you see not only schools but shopping malls, grocery stores,

churches where people have been victimized by the shooters, with assault style weapons and that is really the problem. that is what we're seeing. here the other thing is that ted cruz has been all over the place when it comes to doors. he suggested i think two days ago that you have just one door with five police officers there and he immediately said will want to get to do there's a fire? how are you gonna get people out? it's also ironic in this case because the problem was at one point of the police officers couldn't get through the door they needed to get through in time. >> of course, i have similar sound that i wanted to play for you. this week the democratic candidate for senator -- confronting abbott. let's take a listen. we do not have the sound. i think that that is what you are familiar with, and our viewers are familiar with. it is that what it's gonna take to breakthrough? is this what's gonna take to break through? in a state like texas, where as you said legislature's minority

rule. is it going to be this governor's race? is that the best opportunity? i mean change starts to spark, and i think that would be those provided was a bit of a spark, and he disrupted the playbook that abbott and the governor dan -- . i >> think we have the sand, now so let's go ahead with that sound. okay, now we are getting to watch it but we are not gonna be able to hear him. i'm sorry, as you were. saying >> they have the playbook, and i think up there on the dais they're going about their playbook. with that did was it disrupted that, and cause more attention to the other side of the argument. it also has made this issue much more prominent in the governor's race. there's a race for the governor that abbott is in in november. i have no doubt that this is gonna become a bigger bigger issue. especially after the revelations about how many mistakes were part of the response, and the explanation of the response that habits agencies can be positive. >> all right, leon stay with. me i'm going to see you again

at the top of the hour. turning to the war in ukraine, where russia is making minimal progress on a smaller front in the country's east in live report from bucha ukraine, this next. next. ukraine, thitly. next here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. next tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour. you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need? oh, like how i customized this scarf? wow, first time? check out this backpack i made for marco. oh yeah? well, check out this tux. oh, nice. that'll go perfect with these. dude... those are so fire.

[whines] only pay for what you need. ♪liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.♪ right now, we're all feelin' the squeeze. we're having to get creative. find a new way. but birthdays still happen. fridays still call for s'mores. you have to make magic, and you're figuring out how to do that. what you don't have to figure out is where to shop. because while you're getting creative, walmart is doing what we always do.

keeping prices low for you every day. so you can save money and live better. ♪ what happens when performance... meets power? you try crazy things... ...because you're crazy... ...and you like it. you get bigger... ...badder... ...faster. ♪ you can never have too much of a good thing... and power is a very good thing. ♪ ♪ ♪ and power is a very good♪ ♪ing. in two seconds, eric will realize (laughs) they're gonna need more space... gotta sell the house.

oh... open houses. or, skip the hassles and sell directly to opendoor. wow. get your competitive offer at opendoor.com heading overseas now to the warning ukraine 90 94. senior u.s. defense officials say the ukrainian begins to

make incremental gains in the donbas region were nearly all the frontlines fighting is not focused. still, russian attacks continue throughout the country, including a recent deadly strike in negro, and another deadly strike in kharkiv, a city with russia which russia recently retreated from dickens successful ukrainian defensive. joining me now is nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin. erin, bucha is one of the now infamous towns that has revealed to the world a horse brought up on the citizens of the ukraine by russian fortunes. what is life like they're now? >> hey, alicia. well it has been nearly two months since russian forces were pushed out of this area. residents still working to pick up the pieces. you can see behind me, this is what is left of someone's home. we were speaking to the residents earlier today. they were describing how they sheltered in the basement as an intense fight unfolded on the street outside their home. they emerged to find burned out

russian tanks. those tanks have since been removed. the road repaired. they are still working to document the damage in the hopes of getting some sort of compensation. it is the scene's company of devastation that we're seeing across the ukraine, but specifically now in the donbas where there are is intense fighting underway. ukrainian officials calling at the largest battle since world war ii, unfolding in that region. and russians are making incremental gains. this morning the british defense ministry, saying that they have pretty much captured the town of lyman, which is strategic because it is the center for a railway. also, in suffered in this, ukrainian officials saying it is possible that they are going to have to retreat from that city. it has been the subject of intense bombardment. and ukrainian officials, i have been speaking to, said that they are can extremely concerned about the situation. they say that the united states promised them enough support to secure victory, but so far they are not seeing the kinds of weapons they need to win. for example, a senior ukrainian

official telling me, that they have currently 85 american provided howitzers and country right now. the ukrainians have been asking for hundreds. they want to see more heavy weapons systems because right now, according to this official, they are outmanned and outgunned. and what we are seeing in the donbas specifically is, and artillery war. and the side with the fastest, strongest, farthest reaching weapons when. and they just say that they don't have this right now. alicia. >> nbc news correspondent, erin maclachlan, live for us in kyiv ukraine. thank you. one of the constant questions following these types of mass shootings, what could possibly motivate someone to do it. nbc news is dion hampton spoke with the uvalde shooting jurors mother after the break even joins me here in uvalde with the latest. the break eve the break eve joins me here in from your loc. or same day if you need it sooner. the latest

but aren't you glad you can also just swing by the latest and get your questions answered? because peace of mind is something you just can't get in a cardboard box. that's how healthier happens together with cvs. i brought in ensure max protein, with thirty grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks! (sighs wearily) here i'll take that! (excited yell) woo-hoo! ensure max protein. with thirty grams of protein, one gram of sugar, and nutrients to support immune health. (grandmother) thank you for taking me home. it's so far. one gram of sugar, (young woman) don't worry about it, grandma! this'll be fun. (young woman) two chocolate milkshakes, please. (grandmother) make it three. (young woman) three? (grandmother) did you get his number? (young woman) no, grandma! grandma!! (grandmother) excuse me! (young woman vo) some relationships get better with time. that's why i got a crosstrek. (avo) ninety-six percent of subaru vehicles sold in the last ten years are still on the road. (grandmother) i'm so glad you got a subaru. (young woman) i wonder who gave me the idea? (avo) love. it's what makes subaru, subaru.

i may be close to retirement, but i'm as busy as ever. and thanks to voya, i'm confident about my future. voya provides guidance for the right investments. they make me feel like i've got it all under control. [crowd cheers] voya. be confident to and through retirement. here's how the shooter had

killed 19 children into adults in uvalde texas that's been described in new reporting from nbc news. quote, a loner, someone who avoided a conversation, aloof. the gunman had been living with his grandmother after having a fight with his mother. his mother, adriana reyes, spoke to nbc news dion hampton on the phone, and said quote, i am very upset about everything. a lot of stuff has happened, but right now i don't feel good. joining me now, nbc news national reporter jeanne upton. diane, what can you tell us about the shooter's family, how they are responding to all of this? yeah, one of the two or three people who is actually able to reach the mother of the shooter. and she just told me that she was very upset about this, when i was talking to her over the phone. and i said what are your thoughts, was there any type of, was there any way that you knew in the weeks or maybe even a month ago that something like this would happen? she told me that she didn't. i said were there any warning signs, or anything something similar to that that could give any kind of inclination that

her son could maybe do such a horrific sort of attack, and she said no. she was down in the hospital in san antonio because she was, you know obviously the son had shot the grandmother in the face. so she was visiting she was talking to me from down there, but she was just upset about the whole conversation situation. >> and his friends, acquaintances, what did they say? >> you know, kind of like what you are saying. that he stood alone, didn't like to socialize a lot, didn't want to be around a lot of people. but that they still didn't see any of this coming. i mean just because you don't want to talk to people, and hang out with their friends, and just because the distance yourself from other people, doesn't necessarily mean that you would commit this kind of act of terror. >> talk me through, you spoke with the boyfriend of the shooter's mother. what was his relationship with the shooter? >> honestly, it wasn't that good. i spoke to the boyfriend at the mother's house a couple of days ago. and the quote that he used was he called salvador a weird one.

and he said, you know, he's been dating the mother for about a year. he moved in with the family a couple of months ago. i never really got along. he tried to open up to him, to the boyfriend we try to open up to salvador, and try to bond with him but that is nothing that salvador ever really wanted to do. he never wanted to become friends. and every time we would try to engage him, and strike up a conversation and ask about school was going, ask about the date was going, he would just sat down and salvador never want to speak. tim >> and the question, emphasis of the community that as you've been talking to people who've been experiencing the ripples of grief that invariably happening with a tragedy like this, what if you heard from them? >> i heard a lot of. things i heard that this is a very tight-knit community and this incident here has struck through the heart of that. i spoke to a parent, 43 year old javier. i spoke to him at his house, and he just is distraught about the whole thing because he lost his daughter. he's trying to enter the school, he 60 yards away from school,

and he wants to go into the school to rescue his daughter. and also his knees, but instead he sees the officers, more officers arrive and puts him in other family members further away from the scene. and he is telling me, but gianna said it pushing us further away, somebody should have been trying to go inside the building and actually saved my daughter. which they didn't do, and he is very hard about. that >> it's that timeline that we have been talking about, the questions that remain. i am so glad that you're here and that you're in this community until-ing the story. diane hampton, thank you so much for being with me. >> well much like the forthcoming ruling that is expected to get abortion rights in this country, another supreme court opinion that is on the way will also likely change the rule of law in the nation, losing new gun restrictions. what to expect, and what can still be done, after the break. this is msnbc live, from uvalde texas. texas. is msnbc live, from texas. the lows of bipolar depression can take you to a dark place.

latuda could make a real difference in your symptoms. latuda was proven to significantly reduce bipolar depression symptoms and in clinical studies, texas. had no substantial impact on weight. this is where i want to be. call your doctor about sudden behavior changes or suicidal thoughts. antidepressants can increase these in children and young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. report fever, confusion, stiff or uncontrollable muscle movements, which may be life threatening or permanent. these aren't all the serious side effects. now i'm back where i belong. ask your doctor if latuda is right for you. pay as little as zero dollars for your first prescription. (driver) conventional thinking would say verizon ask your doctor if latuda has the largest and fastest 5g network. but, they don't. they only cover select cities with 5g. and with coverage of over 96% of interstate highway miles, they've got us covered. in one second, sara. yes! will get a job offer somewhere sunnier. relocating in weeks. weeks? yeah, weeks. gotta sell the house. don't worry, sell to opendoor, and move on your schedule.

yes! when life's doors open, we'll handle the house. (fisher investments) it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same, when life's doors open, but at fisher investments we're clearly different. (other money manager) different how? you sell high commission investment products, right? (fisher investments) nope. fisher avoids them. (other money manager) well, you must earn commissions on trades. (fisher investments) never at fisher investments. (other money manager) ok, then you probably sneak in some hidden and layered fees. (fisher investments) no. we structure our fees so we do better when clients do better. that might be why most of our clients come from other money managers. at fisher investments, we're clearly different. covid-19 moves fast, and now you can too by asking your healthcare provider if an oral treatment is right for you. oral treatments can be taken at home and must be taken within 5 days

from when symptoms first appear. if you have symptoms of covid-19, even if they're mild don't wait, get tested quickly. if you test positive and are at high risk for severe disease, act fast ask if an oral treatment is right for you. covid-19 moves fast and now you can too. the supreme court sought to

issue a ruling soon on a major second amendment case that could loosen gun instructions across the country. back in 1911, new york passed a concealed carry law in response to arise and homoki side cases in the state. that law set a proper cassandra, we need a new york state gun owners who want to apply for unrestricted concealed carry permits must prove a special need to carry a weapon in public. 111 years later, that was being

challenged. the case known as a new york state rifle and pistol association, first ruin, is the first major gun rights case to make it to the supreme court in more than a decade. depending on the courts, ruling it could decide of carrying a firearm outside of one's home is a constitutional right, and expand gun owners ability to carry guns and all kinds of public settings. the court's decision is expected sometime in the month of june, just days or weeks from now. at a time when the country is yet again grappling with another mass shooting. joining me now, eric reuben, assistant professor of law at southern methodist university in dallas, and a fellow at the brennan center for justice. tell us a little bit about the background of this case. this law has been on the books in new york for more than a century, why did you get to the supreme court, how did it get to the supreme court? >> sure, while things were having me on. so this will be the first major second amendment case in over a decade, as you mentioned. it is going to be one of the

most important second amendment cases issued by the supreme court in this country's history. before this case, in 2008, a case called district of columbia be hell, or the supreme court held for the first time the country's history that individuals had a private right to have a handgun in their home for self-defense. unrelated to militia service. in that case did not have the opportunity and did not opine on the scale of the second amendment right outside of one zoom where gun owners carrying firearms could interact with other members of the public. that is the issue that is, that is that issue in this case. whether or not private citizens have a right to carry handguns outside of their home for the purpose of self-defense. >> based on the world arguments without bend back in november, you are sense of how justices are expected to rule, and how might this case affect generates as we know it? >> so, oral arguments were

november and after hearing from the justices, their questions, and comments it seems likely that a majority of the conservative justices on the bench are trying to strike down new york's proper cause permanent requirement. the question is, how far will they go. well they say that all licensing for carrying concealed handguns in public is unconstitutional, or will they try to strike some middle ground where you are still permitted in the government to restrict who can carry guns, and where they can carry guns. such as an subways, or in times square, on new years eve. a lot of the questions during oral arguments were about, what sorts of sensitive places exist where people should not be allowed to carry firearms. and whether or not that is gonna be consistent with the second amendment. and beyond, that this opinion could signal how the court might deal with issues other than concealed carry, like bans on assault weapons and large capacity magazines, and age

restrictions. the national rifle association was involved in betting you consulted with president trump on history appointments. and a lot of the attention is going to be on how the street justices rule in those keys. >> eric, i played a piece of the sound earlier in the show, but i want to get your reaction. this is former supreme court chief justice, warren burger, talking to bts about the second amendment. this is back in 1991. take a listen. >> if i were writing the bill of rights now, there wouldn't be any such thing as the second amendment. this is been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud, i repeat the word fraud, on the american public. by special interest groups that i have ever seen in my lifetime. >> let's talk about, that the nra's affiliate in new york is the named plaintiffs in this, case in york state piston rifle association. how is the nra another gun rights in organizations influence the reading of the

second amendment over the years such that we've gone to this point? >> so the first half of the second amendment provides a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state. and until 2000, eight they consensus in the federal courts was of that first half of the second amendment, a militia clause, limited the scope of the second amendment to participation in militia activities. that reading at the second amendment was challenged by the nra, and other gun rights advocates, beginning in the 1970s, and continuing through today. through concerted efforts to fund scholarship, and push out a broader version of the second amendments, a broad understanding of the second amendment that because not only enlisted service, but on private self-defense,. overtime the understanding in the academy, in the federal courts, and even in the american public shifted. to the point where in 2008, a majority of americans agreed that the second amendment protects a right that was

centered around self-defense, not service in the militia. that was part of a broad push, and effort by the national rifle association, and other gun rights advocates to try to influence the understanding at the second amendment. >> eric, i only have about 30 seconds left but i do want to ask you in uvalde, do math math shootings like we saw on buffalo and uvalde, shootings in new york city subway system, do this factor to the justices decisions? >> it is hard to say. there's a lot of evidence that the court is attuned to where the american public is, at any given time. there is a big issue in this case about the fact that more and more states have been loosening concealed carry requirements through the legislatures. which of course is a trend, a modern-day trend. and i have to imagine that the court is thinking along and hard, especially after the week of the -- two opinion about how the public will be receiving its

opinion system. >> eric, ruben thank you so much for joining. yes and don't go anywhere, straight ahead the latest on the investigation plus, texas state senator roland remeet's joins the show. he is demanding governor greg abbott called the state legislature back to address the shooting. another hour of msnbc live in uvalde texas starts right now. msnbc live i uvalde texas good morning, it is saturday may 28th. it is 9 am on the east coast, 8 am in uvalde texas where i am today. i am alicia you mendes here in for -- . behind me is robb elementary, school decided the second deadliest school shooting in american history. five days after 19 young students, and two teachers were killed by an 18 year old gunman, with an ar-15 style rifle he legally purchased just days earlier, many questions remain.

the timeline of events as told by officials with the texas department of public safety, has been unclear and the official story has shifted with each press conference. we now know that roughly an hour passed before law enforcement reached the classroom where the shooter was barricaded and killed him. local law enforcement, and their handguns, where initially no match for the shooter. with his assault rifles. so they waited for reinforcement, but even after they arrived, they were still slow to act. to senior federal law enforcement officials tell nbc news that when tactical units from border control and homeland security arrived as backup, they were told by local police, not to go after the gunman. but having our pass before they went against that guidance to pursue the shooter and and the ordeal. parents, outside the school pleaded with police to do something more, even begged to go inside themselves. meanwhile, there were students trapped inside the same

classroom with the shooter. at least a couple of them made multiple 9-1-1 calls during this time. with one student asking the operator to please send the police now. during a press conference yesterday, the texas department of safety c mcgraw said that it was quote, the wrong decision to weigh to confront the shooter. >> obviously, based upon the information we have, there were children in that classroom that were at risk. for the benefit of hindsight worms city now, that of course there was in the right decision. it was the wrong decision, period. there is no excuse for. that >> tomorrow, president biden the first lady will be here to meet with the families of the victims, and grieve with this community. just 11 days ago they made a similar trip to buffalo new york, where ten black men and women were killed in a racist domestic terrorist attack by a different 18-year-old gunman, who also used an ar