good morning. today is sunday, may 29th. i'm katie fang and welcome to a new have sent an hour of the katie phang show. president joe biden and first lady giorgio biden, they're already heading to uvalde, texas, today. following one of the deadliest mass shooting in recent u.s. history the. white house as the president

and first lady are scheduled to meet with religious and community leaders and to mourn with the families whose children are killed. this is a comes as you volleys occult police force faces scrutiny for connection for the mass shooting at robb elementary. school the loved 19 children and two teachers dead. according to texas public safety officials. students and teachers repeatedly begged 9-1-1 operators for help. during the attack, while the school district police chief told more than a dozen officers to wait in a hallway. those actions have now become the center of the investigation into the horrific shooting in the near one hour delay in confronting the shooter who led to discipline lawsuits and even credible charges into -- meanwhile chilling new details are emerging about the 9-1-1 calls. that came from inside the classroom. the shooter barricaded himself. in the washington post has reporting, at 12:03 pm, a girl called 9-1-1 for a little over a minute and whispered that she

was in room 1:12 according to texas department of public safety director stephen c mccraw. that little girl called back at 12:10 pm, reporting multiple people dead, he said, and again a few minutes later, she called to say that there was still a number of students alive. please send the police now, the girl begged the dispatcher at 12:43 pm, 40 minutes after her first call. even more time would pass win authorities finally enter the classroom and killed the shooter. but by then, 19 children were dead along with her two teachers and now 17 people rounded. this small southern texas town, along with the entire country, it's continuing to mourn the lives lost in this appalling attack. the first of the funerals for victims is scheduled to take place this coming tuesday. joining me now is nbc's liz mclaughlin who's on the ground in uvalde texas and julia

jester who's and delaware where president biden's as we've seen as he heads to uvalde. liz, how is this uvalde community preparing for the presidents visit,. are they hoping to hear something far from him when he's there? >> i mean, katie, this community is hurting. these victims families, they're hurting. and those families, want to be heard, they want to see change and they want to get some answers. there is a lot of emotions here that we've heard and a lot of anger. not just at the police response but questions about how we can prevent this from happening again. they're hoping the attention, the ear of the president can help push some of that change, some of that future changes to the other communities don't have to hurt like they have. victims families met with some investigators last night.

and some said they felt frustrated and angry afterwards. they didn't feel heard. president biden knows what it's like to lose a child so there may be some shared comfort in that shared pain. there this is a very tight-knit -- folks describe it, faith based community. biden's schedule is to visit the memorial site in the nintendo noon mass at sacred heart roman catholic church. it's about a half mile from the memorial where we're at right now. and those faith leaders in this town have been preparing to talk to their congregations. to help them cope with what's happening to try to find unity, themes of love and peace. this memorial here has 22 crosses at it. 19 for the children, too for the teachers that were slain and then one for one of the teachers, irma garcia's husband, joe garcia who had a heart attack just a couple of days later. folks who are saying that was a

broken heart. that he died from. so this is a community that just really need support right now. they're getting it from across the u.s. and even some other countries. and so they're just hoping that this visit from the president can bring some accountability to this awful situation. and eventually see change in preventing tragedies like this in the future. katie. >> julia, what can you tell us specifically about the president expected to visit in his itinerary when he's there today? >> good morning, katie. president biden and the first lady just boarded air force one to head to texas. and when they arrive, there will be that memorial site at robb elementary school and as liz mentioned they will then head to mass at sacred heart catholic church. with the bulk of their afternoon will be spent with the families of the victims and survivors of this tragic shooting. they will be meeting with them

to offer their grief, condolences with them. then before they head to wilmington they will meet they will meet with first responders that strategy this is amid the scrutiny that both the police and federal agents have been under in their response to this shooting. now president biden it's been on his mind all weekend. he spoke yesterday at a commencement address and brought up his upcoming trip to uvalde. take a listen to what he had to say. >> as i speak, those parents are literally prepared to tear either children oh. in the united states america, to prepare their children. too much violence. too much fear. too much grief. let's be clear. evil came to that elementary

school classroom in texas. to that grocery store in new york. far too many places where innocence have died. >> the president added that in the face of such destructive forces, america has to stand even he noted that although we can't outlaw tragedy, it is possible to make this is not the first the first weekend of the biden ministration is making to the site of a mass shooting. yesterday vice president kamala harris attended a buffalo shooting that happened just days before the one in uvalde texas. be with the victims of these tragedies. what comes next katie will hopefully be some action. >> liz mclaughlin in uvalde texas, julie jester in delaware, my thanks to you both. joining me now is democratic

congresswoman gianna hayes of connecticut. she represents the community of newtown which suffered a mass elementary school shooting in 2012. she's also a former teacher. it's been nearly a decade since that horrific shooting and sandy hook elementary school in december of 2012. and in the aftermath of that attack, connecticut legislator passed a sweeping gun safety bill. what do you think is the difference -- >> good morning katie, thank you so much for having me. i can tell you in the days and weeks after sandy hook, our entire state, every community was deeply impacted and demanded action. there was public sentiment in a public push to make sure that action was taken. and not just at the moment when a teacher or a school faculty is facing a shooter on the grounds but all of the indicators leading up to that moment. and a big part of that was gun

safety and gun violence prevention methods. >> in 2016, you earned the distinction of being named national teacher of the year. the epidemic of school shootings continued unabated. as a former teacher, what do you have to save a proposal during republicans to disarm the teachers and hard in the schools? those are real solutions to the problem? >> i can tell you that that is one of the reasons why i decided even to run for congress. in 2018, after parkland one of the conversations that was swirling was storm teachers. i know you've heard other guests say that they don't know if they could but i can tell you unequivocally, i could not shoot one of my students. so the idea that that is the answer or the solution to this gun of violence epidemic is flawed. we've seen what happened during eovaldi, we've seen all over the country. it's not enough to expect for a person, one person to take on a mass shooter using military

assault style weapons. we have to really come up with solutions. i can tell you my community, we had the visual and sandy hook a few days ago. people are looking for action. this was like a scab that was pulled off of a wound that was slow to heal over the last ten years. my community is saying, do whatever we need to do. address this problem from every angle. but the answer to everything cannot be no. i can tell you, i whose legislation the school shooting state preparedness act with w. -- lucey mcbath just to define and measure school shootings. my republican colleagues voted no. last week, i introduce legislation to support trauma instructional practice of the teachers and school communities can better identify and respond to a mental health illness. my republican colleagues voted no. the answer to everything cannot be no. >> congresswoman, to your point, there is no movement on the federal level right now in terms of common sense gun control legislation.

so is the burden now being shipped into the individual states to pass legislation, to protect its residents and are you a little bit worried that the kind of patchwork approach is this going to result in inconsistencies that could maybe mean the difference being life and death? >> exactly. we cannot have a patchwork approach. we need to have a federal response to this national problem. and i think it will be different. i think communities are demanding action in a way that is very different. then i've seen before. i can tell you it's not just people who have children. it is everyone in the community that is saying, enough, we have to do something. and what we are proposing is common sense gun reform that is supported by the majority of people in this country. i think even a responsible gun owner should feel that background checks and safe gun storage and red flag laws or something that we should pursue. it cannot be that any conversation about gun safety is received as an attack on the second amendment.

we have a responsibility to protect children, especially. i know we've had lots of mass shootings, shootings happen every day. but i have to say it's different when we're talking about elementary school children who are at school. so i think that the public, more than the congress or anyone else, is going to be the ones to move the needle on this issue this time. >> democratic congresswoman gianna hayes of connecticut, i thank you for being here this morning. >> and then, joining me now is julián castro, msnbc political analyst, former secretary of housing and urban development and also a native texan. he's also the former mayor of san antonio. as we've heard so far, president biden and the first lady, they've already left, they're arriving in uvalde today. what's messaging does president biden need to do today, secretary, to be able to send this community not only support but also going to take some action when i get to d.c.. >> good to be with, you katie. i think it really is those two

things. people of course are looking for comfort. they're looking for words of encouragement and consolation and understanding that the nation is thinking about them. it is with them. of course, this is a president who in his own life has experienced terrible tragedy. in his own family. understands the loss of a child and he has conveyed that moving we on a number of occasions. i have no doubt that he'll do that today here in uvalde. and then secondly, you can sense of this community and anger. it's a quiet anger but it's a growing anger in impatience that i think is reflective in a lot of americans listening to the president today. and so they're looking for some fire, some sense that something is going to change. that's what we keep hearing, people want things to change. and they're going to be looking to the president of course on how things should change and the steps that he's going to take to make that happen. >> secretary, texas, that is your home.

you know it better than the back of your hand. the texas senate democratic caucuses earning governor greg abbott to call special session. to many for example the age of gun ownership to be raised from 21 to 18. and requiring universal background checks. be frank, is there any chance that the special session or any of these changes are actually going to happen? >> there is a very slim chance of that happening. katie, after el paso, the lieutenant governor, dan patrick, who sits over the senate very powerful. under the texas constitution. some say even more powerful than the governor of. it indicated that he thought background checks should be expanded and said that that time that he was even willing to take arrows from the national rifle association. but that sentiment and quickly fizzled and instead of restricting access to gun chant legislation several pieces of it in fact. making it easier for people to get it done here in texas. so people don't see too much hope. however, if it's going to

happen, certainly time is of the essence right now when there is a lot of will to do among or lot of texas. people are paying attention to this issue because of what happened here. because of the shock of the killings here in uvalde. so it makes sense for democrats to call for a special session and the governor has called for special sessions for things much less important. some would say even trivial in the past. important. some would say even trivia >> from sandy hook to parkland to buffalo, and now to uvalde, there is been a near decade of an action despite the loss of so many lives in mass shootings. one of the immediate action steps that can be taken to frankly and the run of people like governor abbott and other members of the gop legislation in texas? >> that changed everybody wants is going to start with everybody who feels that way.

participating in the democratic process. making a difference. i remember when i started out as a city councilman, 21 years ago in san antonio. at that time, even democrats were talking about gun control and implementing measures that we should take. now, 20 years later, there is anonymity among democrats and they are very vocal about the need for change. one party is unified, and i think unfortunately, each time we see one of these instances, this kind of loss of life and the shock of it, the depravity of it, and that is connected to the easy access to guns, that is uniquely american, i believe that more people are speaking out and making it something that they vote because of. that is what is going to lead to change, i think. unfortunately it is not something that happens quickly. but it has happened. that movement has happened. >> former secretary julián

casco, thank you for your time this morning. >> thank you. >> still to come, more reportings about the uvalde shooters disturbing behavior towards a grown woman online, once again raises questions to the link between online extremism in real life violence. the great liz plank will join me later to talk about it. and up next, how we 90s a republican controlled congress, stymieing decades of progress on gun death, and how we can rebound and recover. rebound and recover.

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amendment tacked on to a spending bill hampered our ability to study gun violence and how to prevent. it's the dickey amendment, named after its draft, or republican senator jay dickey, was passed by a republican controlled congress with the backing of the nra in 1996. what effectively did was prohibit the cdc from using federal funds for research, quote, used to advocate or promote gun control. since many institutions including medical centers and universities rely on federal grants to fund its research, it was a steve steep drop in the number of people studying the topic. the dickie amendment is no longer in effect after senator murphy pushed for to be repealed during the trump administration. in 2018, shortly after the parkland shooting, congress did tweak the dickie amendments to allow the federal government to

resume funding for some gun control research. but the damage was done. as a mass shootings and incidences of gun violence have become more prevalent, we are left with that gap in the record on why these things happened and how to keep them from happening again and again. so joining me now is daniel webster. he is the co-director of the johns hopkins center for gun violence solutions. and he is also the presenter of american health at the john hopkins bloomberg school of public health. so happy to have you here this morning. we often talk about gun violence from a policy standpoint in terms of legislation, regulation. there are experts like you who are saying we should approach it from a public health framework. i went to your website, and the john hopkins center for solutions say that they provide, quote, evidence-based policies that are known to reduce mass shootings. so why should we be thinking of gun violence from the public health perspective?

and what are some of those proposed evidence based solutions? >> sure, to be clear, public health solutions certainly include public policy. we know from studying, actually, all forms of violence, that there are two dimensions to this. there are things that are very specific to individuals, and their immediate environment. but there are also broader contextual conditions that either constrain violence or promote it. we, our center, is focused principally on looking at a firearm policies in communities solutions. in addition to law enforcement practices. so we cover all game it's. public health is really worrying, thinking to not just individuals, but that we are an individualistic society. we sort of think of, oh, it is just an evil individual that is the problem. but of course, there are

patterns inconsistencies across communities and even states in societies. so, public health solutions look at all levels. so we study community violence intervention, clinical interventions with people who might be a risk for suicide. so a broad range of potential solutions. including stronger public policy. not exclusively to guns, but also relevant to alcohol, drugs, housing and other issues. >> the american medical association has called for the uncontrolled ownership and use of firearms, quote, a serious threat to public health. the dickey amendment, for example. that is how politics basically got in the way of science. but that is sadly something it is becoming more common in america. how can we stop this anti-science trend of allowing politics to get involved in medicine and science? >> well, it is obviously a huge problem. and it is not particular to

firearms. but it is very acute in the fire arms around. because of cultural and political dimensions to this issue. we think that obviously scientists helped us solve more information on big societal and public health problems, and that is how we approach it. we recognize it science itself will not do it. we have to have effective communication, we have to build trusting relationships with policy makers and individuals they represent. we have to sort of not get in shouting matches and think of this as oppositional kind of thing. we public health public health is really a very practical enterprise. it is about solving problems. and you have to do that almost always in collaboration. >> according to the new england journal of medicine, guns have now surpassed car accidents as the leading cause of death in kids and young people. it is an interesting contrast.

roads if the research has always been well funded, and car crash deaths have largely been on the decline since 2000. but it is the complete opposite for firearms. what lessons can we take away about how traffic accidents are treated as a matter of public health policy, in comparison to gun control? >> that is interesting. i actually got my introduction to field public health initially through road safety issues. and i saw the dramatic changes that were occurring that were saving lives. so certainly i add many in the field have learned lessons from that arena. we know that, again, you can systematically you silence to find solutions to the problem. there are always differences in terms of practices and policies. across places, states, and communities, that we can learn lessons from. and then, on the road safety arena, it was a combination of science and grassroots advocacy

that lead to dramatic changes. particularly in the area of drunk driving related policies. as well as cultural practices. so i often refer to some of the lessons from successful lessons from reducing road traffic safety. particularly drunk driving. when i teach my classes which are focused on solutions to gun violence. >> daniel webster from the johns hopkins center for gun violence solutions. thank you for being here this friday. >> if you ask a republican in texas with a solution to school shootings is, they might tell you two of the teachers. but on a good day in the texas education system, teachers are not even armed with the tools and resources they need to do their jobs. that is coming up next. that is coming up next here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us.

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texas is uniquely difficult an educational system that's failing susan teachers and pretty much every turn. school jurors across the state have banned books that deal with race, sexuality and gender from the classroom. in october, state representative matt krause, a republican representative for worth. came up with a list of about 850 book titles he called on schools for important any of those folks were found in their libraries and if they were, their shelf life would be cut short. you have parents and politicians most of them white, arguing about why children should not learn about the systemic racism there ancestors imposed on oppress minorities. they have mislabeled that, crt.

legislators blocking children from playing on the sports teams that correlate with their gender identities. you've also got a lieutenant governor promising to quote make it a top priority to pass a copycat of florida's don't say gay bill. which prohibits classroom lessons on sexual orientation or gender identity. florida's law even allows parachute school difference that they believe the law was broken. possibly putting teachers at risk of punishment. and let's not forget the issue, almost all school districts can relate to. which is insufficient funding. at the end of last, year the seven poverty law center gave the state of texas and f for education funding saying it makes a lower than average efforts to fund schools and has regressive funding. despite its high poverty districts. so just a review, in texas, teachers can't be trusted to pick books for their students. they can't be trusted to teach them american history. they can be trusted to promote

acceptance and self expression of the classroom. however, some texas republicans are spectators to arm themselves. to protect the lives of children, to stand at the ready to face an active shooter in their classroom as the last line of defense. way to put the loan in lone star state. joining me now is becky pringle, the president of the national education issaquah. becky, thank you so much for being here this morning. what's your response to this kind of maddening urge from republicans to just solve the school shooting problem in our country by giving arms, by giving firearms to teachers administrators? >> it's good to be with you, katie. let me begin by saying that educators all over this country are still mourning the loss of 19 innocent babies into teachers. as we address the trauma that not only was in the robb

elementary school community. it reach regard the trauma that we have seen play out across this country for far too long. we know that with all of the issues that you just laid out, people are wondering why do we have an educator shortage? because we are not trusting our educators, all of them, our teachers and bus drivers and nurses and counselors. all of them. to do what's right for our students. and that banning books, don't say gay, we're talking about not teaching a complete history of this country, not trusting educators as a professionals they are. as for two years in a pandemic, where you saw educator stand up and do everything in possibly could and now they're asking educators to carry a gun? we know that's not right. that would make our schools more dangerous. not less. >> becky, i'm glad that you brought up the pandemic. because people need to know, there's already a major shortage of teachers around the

united states. the pandemic just made it worse. are you worried that teachers are going to flee the profession as the burden and so falling on them to have to protect their students with life and limb? >> you, know katie, i am worried. i've been traveling all around this country and i've seen from california to kentucky. educators talking to me about leaving the profession sooner than what they had planned. and many -- 55% of our educators are saying that they may leave the profession. sooner than they had planned they would. we know what we need to do. to keep our schools safe and it's not arming our teachers. it is common sense gun laws. we've been talking about this for since 1999 when we had the shooting in columbine. we know we need an assault weapons ban. we know we need background checks that are more stringent. we know we need an extreme risk

law, the red flag law. we know we need safe storage or -- we know we need. and we don't need is a distraction from making sure that we address gun violence in this country. >> so we grieve the loss of those 19 babies but there's also the survivors. there's also the other children that were there. becky, what's the most important thing, all of our children need to hear right now after that tragic loss at robb elementary? >> oh my, you know, katie, one of our educators, our teachers in mom barred, illinois. rebecca -- talk to me about coming back to school and her student saying to her, would that happen here? and educators all over this country are faced with that. and she said something to them that she didn't necessarily believe in the moment that there are adults in this building that are going to do everything they can to keep you safe. knowing that we don't have this common sense gun laws in this country to do that but let me

tell you this. educators all over this country are standing up and they are going to do exactly what they must do which is to advocate and be activists. i was with the multi general, multi provincial, and credible crowd in houston texas. calling on the nra in the gun lobbyists to do what's right for our students. and we will continue to do that and i'm asking everyone to text now two for 87 for four and join us in our movement to protect our students. right now. >> becky pringle, the president of any a. we thank you for being here this morning. >> people from all across america are going to uvalde, texas, to show their support for a grieving community. two survivors of a columbine student in littleton colorado made the trip to uvalde to try and spread hope. here is their message to the families and survivors who are now sadly in the same position that they were in 23 years ago.

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presents a lynskey today, with the came from the office to the president, visited eastern city of kharkiv. this is just coming in. it says that he visited the advanced position of the army, east of ukraine. they say they got acquainted with the operational system in the area. responsibility of the units, talk to brave soldiers, risking their own lives. but really, we are focused on that very small area of the donbas around supper several don't ask. severodonetsk it still under ukrainian control, according to ukrainian military. but this surrounded by russian troops and russian forces on three sides. what is you are looking at if you look them up is that it is basically a pocket in the east of this country. russia is now attacking, incrementally, villages. trying to reinforce as villages and move in to really close that pockets. some experts say that could happen in the next couple of weeks. according to the governor, i do have some numbers to share with

you. russia fired on more than 40 towns engine-esque, 15 facilities just in donetsk. it resulted in at least three civilian casualties. those numbers though, katie, a really hard to get right, because this over to tell what is happening. it is happening very quickly and very dangerously for those reporters to see up close. >> nbc's molly hunter, live in bucha. thank you so much. coming up next, more extremism moves from the shadows of the internet to real life. what red flags were raised by the mass shooter in uvalde's online history, and what can be done to avoid the tragedies. done to avoid the tragedies. ...it's time to make a stand. start a new day with trelegy. ♪...and i'm feelin' good. ♪ no once-daily copd medicine... has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. with three medicines in one inhaler,

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sending angry messages and photos of guns. if they did not respond how he wanted, he sometimes threatened to rape or and could not, them then wrapped it all laughed it off as some big joke. the girls and young women who talk to the shooter on line in the months before he killed 19 children into adults in elementary school in texas, well, they rarely reported him. several young woman told the washington post his threat seemed to vague. one teen your problem on the social app yubo said that nothing happened as out as a result. some also suspected that this is just how teen boys speak on the internet these days. a blend of rage and massage any. so predictable that we can barely tell each one apart. the influx of extremist content online is something that all social media platforms are struggling to moderates. but we will need to take a look at how men and boys are especially being influenced by it. joining me now is liz plank. she's an msnbc columnist and award-winning journalist, and the co-host of the main enough

podcast. she's also the author of for the love of man, from toxic to a more mindful masculinity. liz, thanks for being here. you know that term, toxic masculinity, that is a phrase that some tend to write off. how does this latest tragedy demonstrate that there are some very very real harms that can result from it? >> yes, thank you so much for covering this issue from this angle. i think we've talked a lot about the availability of guns. the way that the gun industry is largely unregulated. but we also need to talk about the ways that school shootings, mass shootings, are gendered. as your introduction laid out, the gunman, like many other mass shooters, as a history of violence against women. whether it is harassment, in this case in. but in many cases what we are seeing from the data is that mass shaman. the first is that they are

almost all men. the second is that yes day -- into third, often a history of abuse of women. very like in the case of this specific shooting, there is an intimate part of it is also involved in the shooting and this. it was his grandmother. in sandy hook it was the shooter's own mother. so we need to talk about misogyny, when you talk about gender, when we are tackling these issues. >> but liz, why do you think that length, which seems to be so obvious, between violence against women and gun violence, why is that typically be overlooked? >> it is normalized. as you pointed out, these girls don't even really report what is happening. because honestly, as a woman as a girl in our patriarchal society, it is very common to get harassed by men. so it almost is so normal that we don't see it. and we really can't talk about mass shootings without talking

about marketing. the way that guns are marketed, specifically to men and boys, is that something that needs a lot more attention. the gun industry is likely unregulated with combs through work or they're, because they are basically immune from a lot of things. earlier this year, the members of the sandy hook shooting actually lost a lawsuit against -- who was using these insecurities, using these scripts of masculinity, to sell guns to men. that is what they lost and found. that is why the families were awarded with a $73 million. there was a marketing campaign than actually told man, your man cards can be reissued if you buy this ar-15 assault rifle. which was used in the sandy hook shooting. so the link here is so clear. and can i just say, if there was a part products that was marketing to women a tapping into their insecurities, and this product was lethal to them or other people, we would all want to protect women from this. we would all want to protect girls. and we have to have the same kind of attention when it comes

to protecting men and boys. protecting them from the kind of predatory marketing. >> i am glad that we are talking about this, because you have written about that link between masculinity and gun on the show previously. i'm going to quote from you. it says that research shows that man his manhood is undermined are more likely to express a desire to own guns. it makes sense when you look at the way guns are portrayed in our society. they are quick gateway to membership in the alpha male club. while there is a widespread myth that testosterone makes me want to buy or use guns, a growing body of research says it is actually the other way around. men start producing more testosterone only once they are handed the gun. lays, gun manufacturers are capitalizing on mail and security. should they be held accountable, more snow we just talked about with reverend? more importantly, is there a way to interrupt that marketing messaging that seems to be targeting men and boys? >> that is such a great question. guns are available to everybody. and yet there is one group in our society that is misusing them for these mass murders. and it is man.

transcendent are going out and doing this, woman with more testosterone are not going out and doing this. the idea that women are just biologically encouraged, that there is something biological in men that makes them want to do this, is damaging. what we really need to talk about is the radicalization of men and the way that there are predatory marketing techniques. there are communities online who are praying on men who are isolated, you are depressed, who have mental health issues. when i hear ted cruz or other public servants talking about the public solution with morgan's. arming schools with more medical factors, where all schools don't need more metal detectors and guns. they need more resources, more psychologists, in order to tackle this crisis with young boys. so that we don't end up with more violence, so that we don't end up with more solutions to

the problem that is cut from the same cloth of, again, more violence and more aggression. we need to come up with different solutions and be more creative when it comes to those solutions. >> listen plank, saying thank you for being here this morning for this very important and distinct conversation. >> thank you. >> thank you for watching our special second hour of the katie phang show. i'll be back next advance on day at 8 am eastern. you can also catch notices of the show on the msnbc hub on peacock every thursday and friday. yasmin vossoughian picks up our coverage from uvalde, texas, right after this quick break. right after this quick break a painful, blistering rash that could interrupt your life for weeks. forget social events and weekend getaways. if you've had chickenpox, the virus that causes shingles is already inside of you. if you're 50 years or older ask your doctor or pharmacist about shingles.

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special hour coming to you from uvalde, texas. i am standing here at the memorial in the town square in uvalde, texas. just five days ago, at this time, those 19 children, those two teachers, they were at robb elementary school. starting off their day. just a couple of days away from breaking for the summer holiday. it was a day of celebration. they were receiving their honorable certificates, their parents visiting congratulating them. taking pictures of them. visiting their classrooms and then leaving them for the day to return for pick up as they always do. every single day. and here we are, the sunday after that mass shooting at

robb elementary school. 21 people lost their lives, 19 of them kids. babies. and they are no longer with us. it is a community that is reeling. a community that is incredibly sad. a community that is angry because the police -- because of the one hour the police waited outside the robb elementary school until they penetrated the doors over 1:12 and 1:11 to neutralize that shooter. the time of which many parents are wondering could my xavier, could my annabelle, could any of those children have remained alive? had those police officers gotten into that classroom earlier. and they're asking those questions today and will continue to ask questions until they get those answers. the question is will they? we are also awaiting a visit from president today. the president and first lady around 11 am here in al