21 people lost their lives, 19 of them kids. babies. and they are no longer with us. it is a community that is reeling. a community that is incredibly sad. a community that is angry because the police -- because of the one hour the police waited outside the robb elementary school until they penetrated the doors over 1:12 and 1:11 to neutralize that shooter. the time of which many parents are wondering could my xavier, could my annabelle, could any of those children have remained alive? had those police officers gotten into that classroom earlier. and they're asking those questions today and will continue to ask questions until they get those answers. the question is will they? we are also awaiting a visit from president today. the president and first lady around 11 am here in uvalde

texas. they will make a visitor robb elementary school, paying the respects of course to the elementary school, the memorial has been built up around that school there. they'll then move on to sacred heart. and a ten mass for an hour long service there. paying their respects to the community. and then it is the task that a president takes on every single time a mass shooting like this happens. and it is visiting with the victims and the victims families. paying their respects. this president knows all too well what it was like to lose a child as he did so many years ago. and quite recently as well. and i'm sure he'll lend what he has learned in that moment to these families. but nothing can provide solace in the comfort that these families need right now. because all they want to survey these back in their arms. that's nothing this president could ever provide for them. he'll also be meeting with first responders as well.

we're going to be tracking the location of the president all day of course. robb elementary later on today as -- this memorial behind me it is growing exponentially, day by day. memorial day weekend. people have time off. school is off here in the south. people from all over texas, not just from uvalde, from austin, from houston, from dallas, from outside of the state of texas. flying here, visiting the community of uvalde to pay their respects. a very somber time during a time in which we should be celebrating the beginning of summer after two and a half years of being in a pandemic and yet here we are instead mourning the loss of these beautiful babies and those two teachers. after this mass shooting. i want to talk about where we're going to be expecting today of course from the president along with what this community wants to hear from that president. i want to bring in joel chester who is on the ground for in

washington d.c. along with some rock who's here with me in uvalde texas, has been doing some incredible reporting on the ground for us here in uvalde speaking with families. as well. jewels, let me start with you on this one as i just mentioned the president here visiting arriving around 11 am or so. this is the consoler-in-chief president. he knows what it's like to lose a child. he'd visited buffalo just 12 days ago as well. the vice president buffalo yesterday also for memorial service, for a woman who lost her life in them as shooting. he was the vice president during the newtown shooting. in connecticut. the sandy hook shooting. he has done this many times sadly. what can we expect to hear from the president today, jewels? >> you encapsulated it quite well, yasmin. president biden is no stranger to these tragedies. he is heading to uvalde, texas,

today or he is going to stop by the memorial site at the elementary school. head to mass and the bulk of his afternoon we'll be meeting with families of the victims and survivors of the shooting. and i'm sure that those conversations will include a lot of what to do next. it is a focus on grief and condolence but it's not lost on the president that as you mentioned he can't just be the consoler-in-chief in this moment. he has to lead inaction and so we kind of got a sense of where his mindset is this week. as congress has been working on a bipartisan talks. they're focused on red flag laws, background checks and mental health in school safety. and while president biden is encouraging, he's also been pushing for an assault weapons ban when he was in congress he was and sacramental in passing that in 1994. and it expired at the cave later. and so president biden, he has

been talking a lot about the assault weapons ban as well as nominating atf director just last month for gun filing for troops have said that may well qualify senate confirmed atf director which regulates guns and firearms and forces those laws is critical to preventing in addressing gun violence. yasmin. >> sam, let's talk about what this community needs now. you have been reporting this community for the last two days, i know you've been seeing with him as well have lost children at robb elementary school. so they are looking for guidance as schools just mentioned. and this president has said repeatedly this is a time for prayer, yes, but this is also a time for action. he said after eovaldi and he said it after sandy hook any said it again on the nine year anniversary of the sandy hook shooting in 2021. what do they want to hear now? what's frustration are you

hearing the most about in this community? >> depends on which prison we are looking at. because there's the police response, which we now as you highlight a second ago, it was an hour and 15 minutes. 11:35 is when their officers inside of the school. shortly thereafter, by 12:03, there were 19 people in the hallways which has a cruel irony has been because or 19 students who were also slaughter in this mess -- inside the school. customs and border protection agents arrived, 12:15. action is not taken until 12:15. to neutralize. so that's a question of her one. what was up with that response? but then secondly, back to weapons. in what universe, and what's of life society, they all feel this way, premature unanimity. should an 18-year-old male to go out and get an assault style rifle to right after his birthday. what do you need that for? there was an assault ban in effect in the united states for food about a decade. there were fewer mass shootings. over the timeframe. the president, he can offer grief and consolation. but the end of the day, this

takes an extra congress to see that. not an effective order. so it's gonna be interesting to see how president biden tries to try that line between making promises that he can necessarily deliver by himself and consoling the family and giving them some reason to believe there's actually gonna be something different this time. why would they expect? that >> you know what i think is incredible is you hear from the governor as well. doesn't seem like he's at all want to approach or have the gun -- age requirement comes to buying an ar. but what you're so incredibly right is that every single person i spoken to, this is texas, we know texas lights or guns. we know a lot of folks on guns here in texas. we know that, right? these are people that are gun owners. i spoke to a man, a member of the military yesterday. he owns guns, he goes to a firing range. every single, not one person said in a two-year-old should be able to own an air 15, gone so far to say this -- is >> it's not just background checks. i mean background checks, universally, there is widespread through polling agreement. that should be put into effect. but that's reaction. you're talking right now is try

to keep weapons that are seeking allow someone to fire 40 or 40 bullets instantaneously out of the hands of people not just that shouldn't have in the first place but have the intent of harming us win he would be as possible. we talk about these memorials, this is been sort of a defector committee set up for people coming, trying to console with one another. memorial inferno robb elementary 40 minutes. in 2:15 or six-year-old girl so that there are about that age they want in front of them. and they started hugging one another. and heaving and sobbing. this went on for 15 and 20 minutes. just standing up for the memorial, embracing one another. for that long. you can't control that, this is just instinctively how this community had no idea that they were going to be the subject of a ugly chapter in american history like this. it's certainly trying to process it and drive around town and you see people inside the trucks and cars with bouquets, sticking out the windows because they're coming to places like this dark moth. with tears running down -- >> they have the people didn't lose anybody. they don't even know anybody. but it's a community that's not going to leave in a couple of days. this community is going to be

left to deal with something like this. and who knows a couple of days maybe another community. >> it will be. now might be, it will be. >> again, 15 days ago i was in buffalo. over the exact same thing. not children but i'm a shooting at a grocery store. where ten people also lives. and it happens again and again. sam, i know you've been doing some incredible reporting as well when it comes to the training of the uvalde pd has been through. we don't get into that bigger guy to be joining you later on today on my show. we're going to talk more about that then. appreciate your reporting. jules, thank you as well. appreciate you. want to bring in now representative reuben kyle go. armed services, natural resources committee, also assistant for the democratic caucus. and first base share the congressional hispanic caucus. congressman, thanks for joining us on this. we appreciate it. >> we saw a lot of your tweets, immediately after this mass shooting here in texas. i want to read them for folks. of course i'm gonna have to kind of be cautious in the way

in which i read them because you certainly expressed a lot, heckle out of a lot of anger in them. you win a ted cruz. and you said you care about a fetus but you will let our children get slaughtered. you said just get your a blank blank to cancun, you are useless. you went after him again you called him a baby killer. you also went after kristen sinema. he said in a tweet, we are horrified and heartbroken medicines the strategy and putting a rebel into some texas and grateful to the first responders trying swiftly. no families should ever have to fear violence in their children schools. and your response was this, please just stop. unless you are willing to break the filibuster to actually pass sensible gun control measures you might as well just say thoughts and prayers. let's address your tweets, senator ted cruz first. what is your message today to

the senator as we are having this conversation about this community being where they're at when it comes to anger towards the police department, their lack of a response. and wanting to see some sort of change whether it's age requirements for buying an assault weapon or an all out assault weapons ban and feeling like nothing will change. >> my message hasn't changed. i just won't repeat the swear words on tv because ted cruz has done nothing, will do nothing. i speak, yes i speak very plainly. but i believe in speaking for the anger the rest of the country is feeling. why do we have to live this way? this is not the way america's always been. somehow we've become accepted that we're going to have massacres every week. we don't have to live this way. we don't have to accept it. and certainly a politicians don't have to accept it. right now, all we're hearing is we're going to maybe take care of this around the edges. when the vast majority of

americans want to see real solutions. and instead, what we're seeing happening in d.c. right now is a political solution. just so it's the senators can say this is something. but the real solution had to be taken and that requires some really hard decisions. we shouldn't allow 18-year-olds to have weapons of this type, weapons that i used in a war. there should be universal background checks that we can care about the mass shootings that happen every day, sometimes our inner cities in which they happen are rule areas when we have massacres. there is a problem here. people like senator ted cruz are the problem. people like senator kristen sinema are also proud because they lend to the problem but by not anywhere the filibuster. and giving this artificial viewpoint that the country is against sensible gun reform. >> let's dig into your tweets towards senator kristen sinema. and i ask you this, right, because you talk about the filibuster. we've talked about this oren over again, the filibuster. we talked about it when it came to passing this off infrastructure bill, we talked about this of course when it

comes to abortion rights. for women. we talked about this a new occasion about the last few years. and we know where sinema stands welcomes the filibuster. you think even if, i'll play develop advocate here, even if they were to agree to make an exception when it came to the filibuster. you would have the votes in place in order to pass either a federal all out assault weapons ban and or age requirements in being able to obtain those assault weapons? you feel confident in? that >> let me put it this way. even if you got rid of the filibuster, i think it actually has a better chance of negotiating something. the fact of the filibuster is there basically neuters any opportunity for the public to actually have some type of sway over what's happening in the senate. let's look back at sandy hook. at sandy hook, there was a very very modest background search for gun owners, people who are buying guns. that was called the manchin-toomey bill. would stop that after those young, those babies were

killed. the filibuster. so we're just repeating history over and over again. until we have a credible threat, this is for manchin cinema connected to something. they should go to their republican friends saying unless we do some real, real gun sensible reform. we're going to get rid of the filibuster. they need to actually see the republicans buckle. but right now, i guarantee you're going to see some very small changes that they are not going to make anybody feel better except for these politicians. >> let me just ask you this quickly. it would also when it comes to the police response, i'm not already took that the police raided 40 minutes. i can't believe it and will wait for the confirmation. they waited, congressman, they waited. >> i got confirmation later. >> one? now >> listen, if i was on the police force, i would resign. because that town is never going to trust you again. and police power comes from the impulse understanding that society trusts you because you're willing to sacrifice for them. and you have just proven that you're not, you're not willing to do it. so everybody in the police

force should just resign, if i was, i don't know who works over there but in arizona there is a police organization that moderates police officers and relates them. they should probably brought up also for those that made these decisions. i know how hard it is. i've had to make those decisions are weather not i want to go into that alley. it were my friends ring shot at. or faced a lot of unfortunate have to face a lot of times getting shot at. but that's where you do, this we sent out for when you're in the marine corps. that's we set up when you're in the police. and if you're not going to do it, then you probably should not be in the police. and i'm sorry but that's just the case. not everyone has to be a police officer and they just crew themselves away. and those poor families that, how could they ever look at the police force to get in the same way. and there should be no politician that's really gets involved in the cover-up of this. this is absurd dereliction of duty. that cannot be forgiven. >> congressman reuben gallego,

appreciate you joining us this morning, very much, so thank you sir. i want to bring in now julián castro. msnbc political analyst, also former minister secretary of housing and urban development. secretary castro, nice to see you. you're also going to be with me throughout the hour. as we kind of try and get through this. trying to this community through this or the beginnings of what's to come. talk to me first, i want to talk about the politics of this a little bit. because we are the sunday, this happened on tuesday. looking ahead to the midterms. because much of this is going to rely on change is going to rely it seems on a change in the power structure of washington. to get change across the finish line. how do you harvest the anger that we here in this community right now. the sadness in this community right now. the frustration that something needs to change. and carry it through november and turn it into votes. >> i think that's going to be the work of many different

activists around the country who have been on this issue, who have been rallying people around this issue to institute common sense gun safety reform. it's also going to be a lot of candidates, you heard congressman diego. many other candidates who are running in the cycle who are going to make this an issue here in texas. beto o'rourke versus -- this issue of gun safety reform is much more prominent now. and what's going to, do i, think it's probably going to end up getting some people off the sidelines in a midterm election where usually it's harder to get people into that voting booth. get them off the sidelines and voting probably also more people perhaps willing to register to vote. because of their anger and their frustration on this issue. my sense is that the nra and second amendment right votes have been waiting on this issue in large part not only because the money in the system and

politicians but also because they have cared that intensity its led people to the voting booth. until the other side who wants comments consider form is as motivated and determined to get out there and vote and you have candidates and officeholders who have the courage to do the right thing. it's not going to change. >> this is an area that had voted prominently democrat for quite some time. especially -- 2016, 2020, once again. you have president biden no coming to uvalde, texas today. arriving around 11 am. what do they want, what do they need to hear. you are a former mayor of san antonio, you know this area, you know these people, you know uvalde. what do they need to hear from the president today? >> i think they need to hear,

they want to hear two things. first of all, words of comfort and the words of a leader consoling this community and the country after what's happened here. of course, the president biden is somebody who understands very deeply and intimately personal loss and tragedy in his own family. he spoke and movingly about that. i think is also going to connect on his faith here in uvalde. this is a deeply catholic community. the president is a devout catholic. his itinerary includes a today. and then secondly, they need to hear the fire. need to hear -- need to hear the plan about and that's what i've got. there is a growing impatience and anger. thing i hear over and over again is disney's of change. something isa change. people have their different ideas of what should change but the president i think needs to lay out a plan on how things can change. >> it's interesting, i spoke to a woman yesterday, joanne, whose sister was inside the school. showing that interview on my

show later on today and she talked about how people are saying we don't need thoughts and prayers, we need action. she says we do need action but we need it in lockstep with thousand prayers. this is a community as you said that turns to faith. this is a faith-based >> many of them attending services today. in so hearing you say that, really draws on what is that -- and it's something president should in fact be on his visit. secretary, you're going to be sticking with me throughout the hour so we have a lot more to talk about. as we go. thank you for now. >> i talk about the fact that this communities incredibly close knit. everybody knows one another, everybody knows someone who's lost someone inside. that's cool. but there are a lot of people looking from outside this community to visit to pay their respects. and getting incredibly emotional. our team visiting where mothers

and fathers here, we're all getting emotional. a little boy, jacob, i spoke to yesterday, 13 years old, came with this person visit. this is a boy who's been in and out of the hospital, immunocompromised, knows what it's like to be in the hospital. and got really emotional with me yesterday. talking about the loss of these kids lives. and the fear that he has going back to school. let's listen to jacob. >> this makes me sad. i've lived here my whole life. this never happened when i lived here. i just feel bad for these people who died and teachers and also i feel bad for the parents who don't get to see their kids anymore. i have been in the hospital for a like pretty much my entire

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again here from uvalde texas. we're gonna begin to follow the story here for the entire hour as we await the arrival of the president here of course around 11 am. but we do want to turn engines that's happening across the world. and that is in ukraine. the continuing war in ukraine and the russian invasion of ukraine. a russian forces are continuing to advance inside the donbas region. officials saying that russia is nearing total control of the luhansk region. one of two regions that make the donbas. frontline fighting has condensed to roughly 75 mile

area. in the donbas. but now with much of russia's force focus there. ukraine has mounted a new counter on areas in the south including around kherson. want to go now to nbc news correspondent molly hunter joining us now live from bucha. molly, give us an update here, take us through exactly what's been going on their philosophy for hours. or so as we need to see this russian advance. >> yeah, yasmin, that's right. the area of fighting is getting smaller and smaller and it's getting more and more intense for both ukrainian soldiers and of course the russians allege there but also for all the civilians in that very small area i just want to share some breaking news. we did just hear that the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy has actually visited the eastern city of kharkiv today so an announcement from the presidents office. we've got a little bit of it you to share with our audience the. announcer for the president's office yesterday president ski visited the advanced position of our army in eastern ukraine

we talk to our brave soldiers defending the events of ukraine risking their lives and going back to the luhansk region as you mention the hudson has makeup the donbas region. we are heavily focused on the city of severodonetsk. it is less you can use stronghold according to ukraine -- ukraine military is still controls that city there are still civilians inside but it is surrounded by russian forces on three sides. and when russia is now doing instead of just waiting -- taking in one fell swoop. noting strategic villages on the side. basically it is a horseshoe like area that the fighting is happening right now. they are taking village by village. we are reinforcing those villages and making incremental gains into that area. now by the numbers, the ukraine joint task force offered up russia fired more than 40 towns on more than 40 townsend donetsk and luhansk today. 15 civilian facilities just in donetsk at least three civilians injured. really those numbers both kind of the casualties and the number of civilian infrastructure that been hit,

really hard a firm because of today's reports to get close into that a very small area where the fighting is happening. >> all right, molly hunter for us. appreciate, it molly. thanks so much. we are back here in uvalde, everybody of course continue to cover the breaking news of the area here with the mass shooting happening and robb elementary school, killing 21 people, 19 of those just children. third and fourth graders, nine and ten years old. after the break, on bringing in a democratic candidate for lieutenant governor of texas mike collier. joining me here in uvalde. we're gonna be back. uvalde. we're gonna be back. timber... fortunately, they were covered by progressive, so it was a happy ending... for almost everyone. ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. that's why we build technology that helps everyone come to the table and do more incredible things.

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to you live here from uvalde, texas after the loss of 21 people 19 of them children. at robb elementary school on tuesday. if you think back to this time

on tuesday morning, kids were in school, they were alive and celebrating. they're honorable certificates just a couple of days before the summer holiday began. here we are instead talking about yet another school shooting here in texas. storming that list of other schools, other towns infamous for their school shootings and mass shootings. something that is all too common here in the united states of america. we want to bring in deputy governor for texas, mike -- thank you. you have been, rightfully so, critical of the police response to the shooting at robb elementary school. we now know it took over an hour for them to get inside the classroom and neutralize the shooter. talk to me about the power structure that you know but this police department. why is it that --

despite the fact that they could feasibly override this force? >> obviously this is a very dark and terrible time in texas thank you for allowing me to share a few words. i think we know the facts. we need to know the facts. there needs to be an investigation. we must know what happened. we need to hold people accountable. and also learn from this. the thing that really frustrates and angers me is to some of these texans is we have seen this in texas and texas politics, where a policy failure produces a calamity. in this is a policy failure. dan patrick and -- owens own this crisis. they failed to act when he had the last shooting at santa fe high school four years ago. whenever there is a policy failure, they close ranks. they have loosened the law since then. and when there is a crisis, to protect their party, they put party over people. and we c-span and we see reception, and it is just absolutely reprehensible. i don't know where the lie is.

dan patrick and -- start with a lie, expect people to keep their mouths trapped? >> you know, the governor i believe it was yesterday, we never had that press conference, friday afternoon, days melts together as you hear coverage of the setting. he said, in fact, that he was lied to. but there was a reason why the governor was on stage the day of the shooting. a lot of times, facts are coming out of something or not necessarily right. >> when i see them do every time as they close ranks. whether he created the -- and expect everybody to follow his lead, or whether the lie was created down in the organization, and given to him, still it is unacceptable. the only reason why they got caught is because parents near the reality of the situation. god love them. and they spoke. up and that is so important. >> so you are calling for a special session. i want to read what you are here. , today michele garza and i are calling for a special session

in the state legislature, millions of texas children will head back to the classroom. we must take action. the window to stop next school shooting is and now. everybody is worried about going back to school. >> in the whole state! >> a mother spoke to yesterday said, her five year old, said do i have to go back to school? i am scared. will i be safe? five years old! do you have any confidence that the special session will convene, and if so, you have any confidence about will come out of it? >> they must. convene viewers understand that the texas legislature are not scheduled to meet again in january. if they cannot meet now in a special session, they will do nothing. and our children are coming back to school in three months. will they meet? it is entirely up to. them but i can tell you. this we had a school shooting four years ago in santa fe high school in east texas. and we called for a special session than. because it is the same thing then as a now. they had a special session to suppress the vote.

they had a special session to vilify trans kids. but not a special session to keep our children safe in these schools. and we have said to them, if this happens again. and it will happen again. then, blood will be on your hands. and blood is on their. hands i hold him criminally culpable for what they've done here. the must be held responsible. >> let's talk about local and federal. you want to see an assault weapons ban? or change in standards and age for who can obtain an assault rifle? >> certainly a candidate. this guy was 18 years old. in texas, you cannot buy a beer at 18. you cannot buy cigarettes at 18. but you can buy a machine that slaughter scene beings? i think about we are doing now. >> what about in the sullivan's ban? >> we need to do now in texas is this. the legislature is controlled by republicans. we have to act between now in august when the kids come back. we need to do what we agree on, which is very powerful and important, which is a background check system that works. right flag loss, 48-hour waiting period, raise the age to 21. you can't get tangled up in

partisan gridlock. which i am certain is coming because we must do all that we can now. that is when i'm working on. >> if i hear what you're, saying you're saying, this is texas. i get it. >> that is right. >> but do you want to see an assault weapons ban? if you could have one, and when i'm hearing you say is that we are not going to guess one, we would see a change in age requirement. if you get one, when you want one? >> i want to provide the leadership in the states to do that all this we can, when we can. which is now. that is what has to happen. we can have a broader conversation. we need to find places where we agree. and that is important that we have that conversation. but in our democracy we must agree. we will have a conversation. what i want to do is focus on we can do and must do, now. >> mike collier, thank you so much sir. we'll be right back from uvalde, texas. k from uvalde, texas.

welcome back, everybody. you're watching msnbc coming to you live here from uvalde, texas. or 21 people lost their lives on tuesday morning, 19 of them were children. two of them teachers. one of those individuals, one of those kids, ten year old xavier lopez and his girlfriend, and abel. there are memorial right behind me. side by side, directly behind my shoulder, savior and annabelle now being honored for their very short lives. they're features now lost. i had the incredible opportunity to speak to xavier's older brother. jose mata and josé's girlfriend. together they have a baby and they loved xavier immensely. i want to share a little bit of that interview with you now. let's listen. >> my mom, she had called me

while i was picking up my dogs medicine. i didn't know, i didn't know is that the robin tell my dad had called us at home. after that, we rushed over here. >> what it was either like? >> he was a good kid. he was an often kid. love to play with her children. loved his niece very much. always took care of her, always. he loved dancing. always love to dance. >> what did he loved to dance? to >> he like to dance to -- he was my dancing partner. >> he was your partner? >> he dance with everybody. >> what is a like to be without him today? >> it's sucks. it's hard. >> can't even walk in the house. >> can't even go to his room. just to see his games, used to always play games together. used to always love playing fortnite. that was his favorite game.

>> was he good at it? >> yeah. that was his favorite game. he always wanted me to play with him. i always did, every time i got a chance. i love playing with him. i loved being around. him >> how are your parents doing. >> it's hard taking it real hard. hard for my mom. he lost her baby. hard for my mom, hard for my whole family. he's my little brother's. they be rather especially. loved his older brother, really loved his older brother. i was his ride or die. our grandpa passed away two years ago with covid. always so maybe rather he's with his grandpa now. taking care of us now. >> xavier lopez, room 1:11. now no longer with us. his older brother destroyed

forever. his memorial, we're looking at and now here in the town square. building every single day. honoring his short life. coming up, speaking to dion hampton and his reporting here as we've been uvalde. we'll be right back. we'll be right back. elps everyone come to the table and do more incredible things. ♪ ♪ you're pretty particular about keeping a healthy body. what goes on it. usually. and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you. and delivered to your door in as little as one hour. welcome back to uvalde, texas.

live here for msnbc as we are covering yet another mass shooting here, united states of america. awaiting, of course, the arrival of president biden touching down here in uvalde around 11 am eastern. from, there we will go of course to pay our respects. spending some time in support for our service there. of course it is sunday here in the faith-based community. he will then go on to meet with victims and the families of the victims. playing the consoler in chief.

it is something we know. oh. just a few weeks before making a similar visit to buffalo, new york, where another shooting happened here in this country. at tops grocery store, where we lost ten individuals. in a race based shooting. we've been talking a lot about the victims here at the memorial service, a memorial that has been set up behind the ones honoring your victims. we are honoring the shooters, the family of the shooters. one of the victims shown in the face, recovering the hospital. -- has been attacking in some of that reporting for us. i want to bring him in for that conversation. don, let's talk through some of that stop. we've been talking for the last few days. you just an excellent reporting, i know, going into this. it is kind of important to paint a picture of what

happened on tuesday, of the shooter's family as well. what motivated him. tell me first about your conversations with the mother and the mother's boyfriend, and when you took away from that. >> yes. the mother is really upset about everything that has gone on. she is not really talked to a lot of people. but i have spoken to her in a couple of places, and i know she's really devastated by this. so there are couple things here. one, she's a grieving mother. she lost her son. she still has not been able to identify him, which is the worst fear that any mother would ever have. . you don't want to bury your child, so that is one thing. she still kind of dealing with that. i told her yesterday, there is a lot of public rage that some people are looking at you in blaming you for some of these actions. they're even older reported there but you may not have been

the best mother in the world. and she said, despite everything that is being said, she does not believe that this is her fault. she does not believe that the blame should be put on her, and that she will have to take responsibility for her son's actions. but again, she is a grieving parent. i will talk to her boyfriend, who moved in a few years ago. he spent some time with salvador, and if i am frank, the two never really got along. he gave me some insights into their behavior that salvador has showed. which is, that when you get to know, him like any boyfriend if you are a dating mother, you try to get to know the son. but that salvador would never engage in any trouble conversation with him, and we do is shut him down. he just never really wanted to be associated. those are just some of the things that the family has taken away. >> he went out of his mom's home, that he shared with the mom and boyfriend. and went to his grandparents home. that is where he was living up until the day of the shooting,

two months ago. what did you want to know about that? >> the boyfriend told me that there was a big argument over wildfire. and then who started it. but it looks like the son had disconnected the wi-fi, and that there was an issue, the neighbors even told me that police were caught that night and eight officers responded to the scene, and that was at the point where the grandmother said, okay, from now he's going to come live with me. >> did you learn anything about the sister? have you gotten into that at all? because we heard from police that at one point, i believe, it was march or was back in 2020. know which of the, timeline did not quote me on this. he reached out to his sister and asked for her to buy him firearms, and she said no. >> right. that is what we have been reporting. either our time tracking it down. but the time i got here most of whom played only got to san antonio and other surrounding areas, probably in part because the median tension in some of the scrutiny. but i have not able to contact the sister yet. but i'm trying to work on it. >> you've been doing some great reporting. we appreciate it.

as much as we don't like to talk about the shooter, to kind of follow the story and understand what can motivate someone to do something so awful and why this individual comes from. so we thank you for doing that for us. thank you, deon. >> think you so much. >> next, up talking about the gun issue. we're gonna speak to a former firearms executive who has a unique insight into the gun industry. and the obsession with assault rifles. and where we are with that, and the possibility of a federal. and the money, by the way, being made by the gun industry as well as the buying of assault rifles. enjoy me along with secretary -- ceiling about. secretar hmm... back to the miro board. dave says “feed it?” and dave feeds it. -- just then our hero has a breakthrough. ceiling about.

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continuing coverage here from uvalde, texas. of course, after the mass shooting here on tuesday were 21 people lost their lives. 19 of them children awaiting the arrival of the president here around 11 am. part of that conversation is the conversation surviving guns. what can be done legislatively on a federal level. what can be done locally, state by state as we see shootings here in texas and new york, colorado, connecticut, across this country. this is not a problem, this is a federal problem. and part of that is the gun lobby. and the firearms industry. and the money being made by the

firearms industry. i want to bring in ryan basile. he is a former firearms executive with a gun manufacturer camper america. he actually left that job after he became disillusioned by the gun industry profiting off of hate and tragedy, which he chronicles in his gun fight, my battle against the industry that radicalized america. back with me is julián castro, former secretary castro -- also numbers and political analyst. let me start with you on this one. and you talk about three elements that really make up the gun industry. you said hatred, fear and conspiracy. talk to me about how that is continued to drive of sales in this country and expand on those elements and why. >> well, in the early 2000s and certainly as president obama began leading in the polls in 2007. the nra figured out that those were the sort of components

that could drive people, that could drive our populace into this frenzied almost boiler point where they would vote in irrational ways. do irrational things, we've seen that of the last two years. sadly, those are exactly the same things that drive gun sales above what's responsible gun sales or gun ownership should be. so, as we've seen this proliferation, fetish eyes ar-15 purchases. this faux patriotism. this get your man card back kind of linking it to ar-15 purchases. it's really deeply intertwined with all or nothing divisive politics of the nra. and our kids and our country is paying the price for it. >> i want to dig in to the notion around specifically the ar-15 as we are talking about the possibility of an assault rifle ban and or the increased age requirements in obtaining the assault rifle. but julián, want to turn to you for just one moment as we talk

about kind of this extremist attitude when it comes to the gun industry. in general. you think about the fact that when this happens, we talk about gun regulations. that need to increase in this country. but along with, that there are people wanting to store gun storms right now and buy more guns. this is only driving more people to obtain more firearms as ryan just talked about. how do you counter that? >> you're right, we do see a spike after these incidents. people feeling that in order to be safe that perhaps they should go out and get their own guns. i think that you need to counter that through education campaigns that happen at the grassroots level and also by making the points, the evidence is there for. it more guns has never made us a safer in this country. people have pointed out, this is a uniquely american problem. other countries have video games, other countries that people with mental health issues, other countries have

any number of conditions but what they don't have is easy access to guns. especially these assault style weapons. >> it's fascinating, right, because we're talking about assault style weapons as hooley inches salute to. and you reported the new york times saying this which i find really interesting. the ar-15 to most people in the firearms of this free it is a statement, it's a middle finger. and i wanted to talk more about this because every single person i've asked, what do you use an ar for? i don't know a lot about guns, i'll be honest, i don't, i grew up in the northeast. what do you use in the cell rifle for and then tell me, i don't really, no ideas were hunting. one individual told me who wants to see an increase in the eighth requirement for a sorrowful band. for an assault rifle, i should say. said i use it for fun, at a shooting range, makes me feel powerful. that's all i would visa for. so what do you mean by that wind saying it's a middle finger because it really seems to be no common usage for an

assault rifle. >> well i will tell you this. as late as 15 years ago, the firearms industry itself would not allow the tactical gear that has been warned by the buffalo shooter and some by the uvalde shooter and it had a strong disdain for ar-15s and tactical rifles in its own trade shows. this was a self-imposed regulation and rule on the industry, by the industry. why? because it knew that proliferating these things willy-nilly throughout society could have terrible impacts. but as you've seen the rise of divisive kind of middle finger politics. the sort of maga movement and i think a maga hat really by and large is a middle finger and everybody who they want to own. it's an own the lips thing. an ar-15, for many people, who purchased them, not all, but for many people, has become that same sort of middle finger. it's a way to own the lid's. and that fetish, that dangerous

radicalize finish, this thing that we see people marching on the michigan capitol. we see people, the insurrection on january 6th, there are two types of flags. there were trump and political flags and they were ar-15 flags. it's a middle finger. >> it's fascinating that you bring up the insurrection, ryan, i'll tell you this, because anecdotally i tell your story. and speaking to a militiamen at the insurrection on january 6th there all day support a lot of guys members the militia there so that capital building. and i tell, you i can tell you how many times in which and and by the way never brought up the issue of guns. not once. this was all about the election, why are you here, do you believe it's a because you think the election was stolen. do you recognize it wasn't? they said to me verbatim, so many of them, first it's this then they're coming for our guns. that was their second issue. for us as the election, then they're coming for our guns. >> the point in my book is very simple. i think gonna coalition, the

three percenters, the proud boys. the oath keepers. guns are at the very center of our worst domestic terrorist. and we not only do we have domestic terrorists, the politics of the nra has terrorize our political system. everything you care about has held hostage by this all or nothing politics and nra environment. women's reproductive rights. even local school boards. it's all held hostage by this terrible divisive politics in the nra. and the spillover effects are atrocious. they're horrible. we are, you are standing in front, the worst of the worst. we have to find some sanity. i love freedoms, i'm a gun owner, i love to hunt and shoot with my boys. but i know that i'm not going to have any rights and no rights in a complex democracy are going to exist if we don't balance them with responsibilities. our balance is way out of whack. >> and who, in these are babies, these are kids.

gun owners are parents. these militiamen that i spoke to on january six, many of them are parents. they love their children. they don't want to see something like this happen. they don't. i believe that. they don't want to see something like this happen. but yet they refuse to have at least even talk about an assault rifle ban. despite the fact that they cannot provide for me a proper normal usage of an assault rifle. normal usage of an assault >> there's been a media ecosystem this buildup, also, to further the psychology. to show, next year they are going to come and take your guns. that is been around for decades and now. that has been built into the thinking of a lot of americans. i have no doubt that, as you say, they didn't want to see something like this happen. at the same time, they don't want to give an inch when it comes to any kind of restrictions. when i've heard here among the

folks in uvalde is pretty consistently, why was an 18 year old able to make a type of assault weapon? >> absolutely. julián castro, as always, thank you. you will be joining me later on today for my show, a two to 4 pm eastern time. so thank you for sticking with me. appreciate. it ryan buzzy, thank you as well for your analysis on all of this. we appreciate it. that does it for me this hour. back here on msnbc live outside of robb elementary school to cover the presidents visit here later on. two to 4 pm eastern. one to 3 pm central time. >> okay, get some sleep. >> for now i want to turn it over to jonathan kaye part on the sunday show with jonathan capehart. the sunday show with jonatha capehart

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