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every single day away from uvalde. it is with the opponents of sensible gun reforms count on. that it will all go away and people will move on. including the media. and what it stays is the status quo that has made the killing of 19 kids and their teachers just another day in this country. i so as we look at the memorial behind me at the robb elementary high school, the people are continuing to file in and put flowers and honor the victims loss. maybe this time we stay angry. maybe this time we demand action. maybe this time we save lives. anne i'll be back tomorrow live from uvalde. back in the chair next saturday and sunday. symone takes it from here.
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thanks for watching. >> takes it from here. thanks he's in uvalde as we speak, it's the presidents second visit to the site of a mass shooting and just many weeks. we have live coverage of texas. also, some way republican friends say hardening schools into mass shootings is the way to prevent these heinous attacks. my question is, what do these 12 -- to be safe when asked the houston independent schools a. and we're heading into the culture corner today, britney griner's been detained in russia for more than 100 days now, our culture critics are gonna weigh in. i'm simone sanders, and i have something to say.
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president joe biden and first lady dr. jill biden are in uvalde texas, right now they're meeting with the families and the and to educators who were murdered and yet another mass shooting in america. the bidens travel to buffalo new york less than two weeks ago consoling breedlove villains in a traumatized community. the president paid respects to a memorial outside of robb elementary school, where the massacre occurred and he will huddle with first responders this evening. we've also learned today that the justice department will review the law enforcement response in uvalde. i want to go now to nbc news correspondent liz mclaughlin, she's live in uvalde. liz, we know that president biden's meeting with the loved ones right now in private. we have new images of the president wiping away tears, tell us what was the seeing the president first lady arrived earlier today? >> symone, at the town square
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right now, the memorial that we see people paying the respects, bringing flowers, and the motorcade drove right by here on the way to robb elementary. the folks were lining the streets, there is been sort of a mix response to his approach, a lot of people are seeing this as a sign of hope, comfort, that the president is here today. others are pretty frustrated with our leaders in general, law enforcement, and our government leaders who continue to not take substantial action after mass shootings happen again and again. symone. >> liz, i know it's a powerful emotional scene on the ground. can you tell us this new information that you are learning about some of the victims of that mass shooting that are still in the hospital? >> 17 were wounded and this
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school shooting, a 15 treated here at uvalde memorial, four were transferred to san antonio for higher care. we just got updates on those patients, one 66-year-old woman wasn't serious condition, and now in fear condition so that's good news. a nine-year-old girl and good condition now, but a ten year old girl still remains in serious condition, symone. >> that's heartbreak, aiming to continue to follow up on this story about the wounded. liz, we also know that the justice department is now reviewing the law enforcement response, did the justice department do this on their own or was it requested by someone locally? >> well, there is a lot of pressure for action to be done, not just from this community, but nationwide but this was a specific request from the uvalde mayor, don mclaughlin, spell the same way as my last name, no relation. but he did request this review,
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and so it's a critical incident review that will be conducted by the departments office of community oriented policing. will file a report of the law enforcement reaction and response on the day of that shooting. >> okay, we'll be watching that. nbc's linda liz mclaughlin, thank you very much. now let's bring in texas democratic state representative raphael -- thank you representative for being with us today. , so when the president stops today the crowd, i heard this was happening the crowd could be heard calling to him to quote, do something. and the president turned to them and he mouthed, we will. we it's meaningful, i know the president personally i know that sandy hook was a real -- inflection point for him. he never wanted to be in this place as commander-in-chief, no president does. i have no doubt that the president wants to do something, the question is what can the president do and what do you want him to do? >> symone, thanks for having
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me. thanks for being part of the texas family and helping us grieve this massacre. we're grateful to president biden came down to act in his role as consoler-in-chief, regrettably it's happening too often as you pointed out. we weren't even done grieving buffalo, the families that were massacred there, and now we're having to grieve the families in love all day. the president, needs to really whip the senate hard. that filibuster, 16 votes as it has been with voting rights and so many other issues that we've needed to protect people as fallen short. so, we need for the u.s. senate and the president, the house has already acted, we need to be doing things at the state level as well. i served at the state house, texas --
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proud to be texans. but we have not acted, the republicans in the state legislator, both majorities in both chambers, have stopped virtually all gun safety legislation going all the way back, i've been serving for nine terms, going all the way back as far as i can remember. >> so, i want to ask you about that, one of your colleagues texas state senator roland gutierrez, interrupted governor greg abbott's press conference on friday, and i was watching that, he really was pleading for a special legislative session. i want folks to take a look. >> we're asking for a special senate committee [inaudible] the senate democratice senate >> representative yesterday i spoke with congresswoman veronica escobar. she represents el paso. notably after the shooting there in 2019 governor abbott
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refused to have a session. do you think he will do so this time around, and if so legislation actually come from the special session? >> i'm not hopeful. you've alluded to the fact that people are frustrated and angry. candidly, the governor was booed when he came to the memorial today and people are incredibly frustrated -- frustrated. in 2016 i thought when we mourned something that we call in dallas, 77, were five police officers were gunned down using a rifle that was bought in a park it -- parking lot of a big box store. i thought we'd see action there. then we had the santa fe school shooting. the houston area. i thought we'd seen action there. then we had the el paso. the shooting that was motivated by a white supremacist that wanted to kill mexicans because he thought there was an invasion. that rhetoric continues by governor abbott. i'm not hopeful, to be honest
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with you. the one response to the school shootings in the el paso shootings and to the murdering of law enforcement officers has been to loosen restrictions on gun ownership. in fact the session in response to el paso, we did not engage in gun safety debates. what we did is we cast permit-less carrying. someone without training and without a background check can open carry in the state of texas. i wish at the state level that people would engage in discussions of common sense. gun safety. i'm not optimistic. >> what is the answer that? people and not just texas but across the country, they're upset, and i think there's a responsibility of legislators to do something about. it also the united states congress, you've authored at least eight of the 50 bills that have been introduced and texas to do something about the reforms. what is the answer? >> i'll tell you. the one bill that got passed was a very simple common sense
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bill that city cannot open carry the fire arms on the tarmac of a commercial airport. that passed the house. passed the senate. but guess who vetoed it? governor abbott. ultimately, if even that simple common sense measure cannot pass, it has to come from the federal level where we need to change leadership in the state of texas. that's what i'm hoping we do this november. greg abbott has not fulfilled his promise is after the santa fe shooting where he said it would never happen again. in fact, he has not even taken seriously the discussions in closing the loophole. -- sales without a background check. even simple -- >> nothing. nothing. nothing. >> nothing. in the opposite direction. roll pulling our hair out and saying something's gotta change. we need to do something at the federal level or change greg abbott. >> representative raphael,
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thank you. our colleagues at nbc news are getting the first in-depth story of what happened inside the robb elementary school during the shooting. here's part of the emotional interview with one of the school teacher. >> you and the kids on the ground and gunshots start coming through your windows? >> i look at it now. my classroom window is pretty high. luckily it is as high as it is, because those bullets, if they would've been lower, they would've come straight at us on the floor. i had one student laying on top of me fierce and i had a bunch of other students write a break here buying me and we were all holding hands. i just remember praying, please god, please god. keep a safe. i heard him. i just kept hearing boom boom boom. and it was pause for a few seconds. and boom, boom, boom, boom.
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then it would cause. again, i just kept going off. it felt like an eternity that this was going on kyiv. >> you can watch more of morgan's report tonight on nbc nightly news. coming up, we are going to get into the debate around making schools safer with the superintendent of houston's independent school district. we're also going to talk to the president of the national education association. how is this shooting shaking up with teachers and parents who thought they knew about safety steps? first, i want to go to my colleague richard louis with top news stories. richard. >> thank you so much, simon. some of the stories we're watching including president zelenskyy who made his first official appearance outside kyiv since russia began its invasion in february. zelenskyy met with troops on the front line in the northeast region. commended them for their bravery. he also said defenses are holding up despite an indescribably difficult situation in eastern ukraine. there are now new crackdowns on
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lady are in uvalde today, meeting with victims families right now. where you need to new to bring you the latest there. tuesdays tragedies, just the latest school g8 due to leave our teachers and students afraid to go to the classroom. well student should be focused on learning there instead getting education how to survive. so, i'm joined now by the superintendent of houston independent school district miller house, you're about 300 miles from uvalde, you had school age children, high school or in a fourth grader, one of you told them about the uvalde shooting? >> hi symone, thanks for having. we have had the opportunity to speak with folks in the senate -- uvalde area. and it's definitely a difficult scenario, we're preparing for and what we're telling students and parents, is that we're doing our best to reach out to
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organizations like the fbi, local law enforcement to ensure that we review our plans, make certain that continued partnerships, especially as we in the rest of the school year here in houston, so there's a sense of safety and a sense of secure with our parents and families. all fortunately committee times we see the situations over and over, and we unfortunately have to go over these cycles. or focusing in on how to talk to your children, it's extremely important that you just don't let these scenarios go by. you need to ensure that the conversations are had, regardless of whether it's my fourth great son, my 11th grade daughter. there is a way to have that conversation to ensure that the energy that they might have, pent-up, stress that they may have, they have an opportunity to somehow get rid of it. >> yeah, i think it's so
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important, children these days in school they were going through not just fire drills, but mass shooter drills. so, when this happens we need to be able to talk to him them about it. -- are they afraid, what are they telling you superintendent house? >> first of all, parents send their children into our classroom every day with the hope that welcoming back a child who's a little bit brighter, a little better because they've spent time with us. so, our job is to ensure that their safety is number one. so, we're doing everything that we can to ensure that that safety is focused on. >> you're looking into new measures right, in houston? >> absolutely. some of those measures are very clear, the number one thing that we know is that an individual who's coming to do harm in a classroom, the best deterrent as a law enforcement
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age at. so, working closely with our local law enforcement, the constables office, the sheriff's department, the local police department to ensure that we can beef up even more behind our 200 officers that we have in h s d r already. we'll continue to work with our active shooter drills, ensuring that our safety on it, schools we know in many cases it's not just about the kind of safety and security measures that you have. it's about the human error as well, in making sure that our audits are focused on and a dear to and follow up on when they're not done in a manner they need to be done. >> so, in addition to that, some lawmakers are also saying that perhaps the answer to this violence in schools to arm the teachers. now in texas, army teachers is allowed, not in houston though. what do you say to this idea that we need to arm the
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teachers? >> my focus is on ensuring the teachers have the opportunity to teach children. i believe that arming teachers is not the answer. there is enough on teachers backs already, in my opinion interns of high stakes. testing, ensuring they have everything that they need to be successful themselves. they're coming out of a pandemic, so, my attitude around arming individuals, is keeping the individuals arm that are trained. and that's law enforcement. >> all right, miller house thank you very much sir. now i want to bring in my good friend becky pringle, becky's the president of the national education association. thank you so much for being here. to me it feels as if it's an impossible time to be a teacher, superintendent house alluded to that, books are getting banned, teachers are being threatened for simply trying to teach our history, and compounded with all that money to deal with
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school shootings. and now we have another school shooting, two teachers were killed in a place like texas you heard the teachers can be armed, why is such a heavy burden being placed on our educators right now? >> symone, it's good to be with you again. thank you for covering the story. as we continue to mourn the loss of 19 beautiful children, and two incredible teachers. here we are again, here we are again. having done nothing, nothing to protect our students. and where are we putting that responsibility, to protect them against gun violence, on educators? after two years, of you seen it symone, you've seen that you've been out meeting and talking with teachers. not just our teachers, bus drivers, nurses, counselors they have been doing a heroic
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job for two years. standing in -- and now we're talking about harming them? we should be arming them with resources like books instead of banning them, we should make sure that our teachers are respected for the professionals they are. we should be doing everything we can to pass common sense gun laws, so we will be talking about this forever. >> it seems we're on a loop here, becky, it really feels like this keeps on happening. i know y'all have been upfront about it, you're in texas right now, you are actually at the nra convention in houston yesterday, you weren't attending you are protesting outside. and i know the released a statement in conjunction with the texas state teachers association i want to put it up here it says, this tragedy once again underscores the very real dangers of a culture in which gun violence has become too much the norm and it's too often the first way to resolve
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an argument or grievance. back a, would you want lawmakers at the enter a to know? >> we are not just protesting the nra, honestly symone, we are protesting all gone lobbyist that are getting in the way of doing what's rest we -- we know that we need to ban assault weapons. we know that we need to increase background checks. we know that we need to have storage of our weapons, and it needs to be passed. we know that we should have those extreme risk laws passed, red flag laws. we know it needs to be done, my question to congress is, what are you going to do, what are you going to do to stand up and protect our students. i'm gonna tell you this, symone, the 3 million members of the nba, we're not done yet, we're gonna stand and fight for our students and demand that elected leaders stand with them and pass laws that will protect
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them. we will not stop. we're asking everyone to join us, from now, -- joining us, the come allies with us we need you to help protect our kids. >> becky pringle, you are on the right side of history my friend. thank you very much for being here, president of the national education association. all right, next we have the most disturbing statistic, i think you're gonna hear all day. including the new research that guns have overtaking car accidents are the leading cause of death for children. stay with us for a very important conversation about the preventable or's children in america are forced to face. preventable 'sor childre in america are forced to face.
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texas just five days ago. now statistically, a child's more likely to die from gun violence in their classroom than an officer in the line of duty. i'm not exaggerating, okay. according to fbi data, there's been 16 officers killed with firearms in the line of duty as of may 1st. meanwhile cordoned education, week 24 students or children were killed in school shootings so far in 2020. 19 of them in uvalde. recently, released data from the cdc found the firearms became the leading cause of death among children and adolescents in 2020. so, why hasn't anything been done? democratic senator cory booker of new jersey has some thoughts. take a listen. >> and tell the redemptive power of the love for all of our children is greater than the destructive power of the love of our guns and money and power. until that redemptive love of our children turns into action,
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then nothing's gonna change. >> this is a crisis, y'all. joining us now is shannon watts, founder -- shannon, i want to chat with you first hear, you heard -- how does it feel as a mother to see this redemptive power of love for children that he talks about just being dismissed in the wake of tragedy like this? >> you know, i think it's important to remember that women and mothers have political power in this country, it's why i started moms action after the horrific shooting chant tragedy at sandy hook. that's why moms and women, especially black moms and women are the back bone of the democratic party, and i do think that if we could keep this anger and outrage, devastation reminding us why we need to get off the sidelines, why we need to use our voices and our votes on this issue. then we could first of all
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demand change, and if our lawmakers don't act, hold them accountable in november. and then again in january when state legislators come back into session. i call it the unglamorous heavy lifting of grassroots activism. >> say it again. say it again. on glamorous. >> it's the unglamorous heavy lifting of grassroots activism. >> it makes a difference, it's the shock, outrage that many of us after these tragedies. it has to fade into the next mass shooting. so, you talk about this need to stay engaged, stay involved, how do people do that, where is the hope here? >> yes, i always have hope. after these horrific shooting tragedies in the reason i do is because of the movement, right, this is the largest organization, nonprofit organization that we have over 8 million supporters who are larger than the nra. and every time there's a
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national shooting tragedy, people decide it's time to get off the sidelines. i want to remind people, mass shootings are about 1% of the gun violence in this country. and that we need to pay attention, this weekend there are hundreds of people being shot at festivals in oklahoma, downtime chattanooga, darren elementary school in chicago. it's happening every single day in this country. and so, i would just say if you are within the sound of our voice, you've got an obligation to kind of -- passionate about. if you text the word act to 64433 will plug you in immediately and this coming weekend. it's the weekend annually that we talk about this issue, about the issue of gun violence in the fact that it's a crisis in this country. we will plug you in to get involved where you live, and let this be the time that we stay with this anger. i was just reading that, mass shootings usually fade from you in florida is, let's not let that happen.
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>> let's not let that happen, now is the time. shannon watts, thank you so much for being here. >> thank. you >> are political panelists here now, we've got katie benner, justice department reporter for the new york times, and she's also an msnbc cricketer. we also have political consultant shares michael singleton, he's a boston globe contributor and also host of the peacock show, screen share. welcome to you both. katie, i want to start with you because i've had a lot of outrage. i'm right there with the people across the country who are just outraged over the law enforcement response to the massacre in uvalde. and the justice department announced today that it will now conduct a critical incident review of their actions at the request of uvalde's mayor. what exactly does that investigation look like? >> sure, we've seen investigations like this happen after mass shooting incidents, and other very troubling moments where police were their response has not felt to be adequate, world it's been a lot of questions about what happened. as you, said these are
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voluntary reviews, the cities, the local law enforcement themselves, they need to ask for it. and once they do the justice -- and they basically look at every step that was taken, every decision that was made to see what could be improved, well was in compliance with the sorts of steps that should have been taken. what sort of compliance measures need to be remedied, and they come up with a full report the departments that will be making public whatever it is that we find. keep in mind, this is not a criminal review, this is not a matter that will involve any kind of punitive action, it's really that uvalde has said, we need help, we need independent arbiter to come in and say what happened and where we made mistakes, where we failed, of what we can do to do better. >> so, katie, there's a punitive action here so they just do the report, the report will come out and what kind of impact can the report have? >> so, the report could have several different, the remark and the report can be used as a launching point for reform. that's the big takeaway.
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to see in black and, white people trying to find the errors that were made. allows the city to say, independent third party has come up with this, and now it's up to us to act. it gives the mayor and the city the top needs to take corrective action even if it means taking corrective action against law enforcement officers themselves, which we all know something that is very, very difficult for cities to. do >> i was about to say that, it's very hard to do. well thank you for breaking that down because i was very confused about the impact of this report. i want to turn now to talk about january six, -- i don't know if you read it, but house minority leader kevin mccarthy and fellow republican congressman jim jordan, they pinned an op-ed in the wall street journal today, they accuse the january six committee of quote, i want to read this, weaponizing the majority rule and quote. it's very clear to me that they will be complying with the subpoenas, did you read the op-ed and if so what did you think after you read it, agree disagree? >> i read it.
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i didn't think anything -- republicans are in charge, we know what type of things the likely launch after -- hunter biden, there might be something the president himself. because they recognize when you're in power, utilizing various committees to create noise and bluster is a good way of leading to 2024. we saw this in 2020, 2019, and so. on look, they wrote the op-ed for what reason i don't necessarily know, most people watching your show understand that this is politics one-on-one. >> as they should. well, katie along those lines we do know that the january six committee has said that there are not going to share information with the department of about their investigation until they are done. what are you hearing from inside the department of justice and frankly where they stand on their own investigation, i haven't heard of it? >> sure, i think one of the things that brings up is the justice department is it creates a risk for the
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department in terms of their own efforts to prosecute people and hold them accountable. we've seen this in the past, where they've been pour a level congressional investigations alongside law enforcement investigation. if congress decides to do something like immunize a witness, or make other choices around the public testimony, that could interfere with the justice department's ability to later prosecute that person. there will be public questions about that choice, you can understand why congress wants to have the most impactful set of hearings that could possibly had. it's trying to breakthrough the noise created by an op-ed like the one you've just mentioned, right? to remind the american public of what happened on january 6th it was really terrible. but in doing so, the risk is that by acting solely, alone, it will make it more difficult for the justice department later on to hold people accountable through law enforcement mains, through criminal prosecution. >> all, right well we'll be watching, katie benner, and michael singleton, thank you very much.
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million americans will expected travel is 50 miles this memorial day weekend. that number is not too unusual, the price these drivers are paying sure is. nbc's scott cohen is in castro valley, california, in the san francisco area. california some of the highest gas prices in the country, drivers are still filling up and hitting the road, right? >> they are, as you heard though they don't necessarily have to like it. so, the price here at the chevron station in castro valley, in the bay area, it's 6:59 a gallon. it's not like you have to go far to find that, because it's not too far from the average in the state of california. $6.14 a gallon as of today according to aaa, that's about 50% higher than we were paying one year ago. and nationally it's a similar situation, yes, it's cheaper but still about again 50% higher than a year ago. experts are saying that it's not just limited to this holiday weekend, if you're planning to travel this summer,
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be prepared to shell out some big bucks. >> but we do know is, based on everything we're seeing, particular on the price of oil, were just driving -- with oil not coming down in the foreseeable future, it's very likely that we're gonna keep these high gas prices. >> jet fuel, gas prices that have in some places doubled or tripled since the last summer of travel. staffing shortages, is a tough environment for a low prices to be available. >> you heard her reference jet fuel, and that points to the fact that air fares are up big time as well, about 30% higher than pre-pandemic, hotel prices are up as well. so, if you're gonna take a vacation this summer, a lot of us want to relieve some of that pent-up demand, it's gonna cost you, symone. >> it's gonna cost. you i'm going on vacation, we're going up the road to clinton, maryland,. thanks so much i'm headed to my
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corner, and that amazing culture critic with me today. erica cobbe, -- co-host of the come back of america chabad casten, michelle fissures here, she's the host of the head line relaunch with michelle fisher. the sports world spoke about gun violence in america, we saw him be a head coach steve kerr, make a really emotional plea for action. and then there was san francisco giants manager gabe kaplan, he said that he's actually protesting national anthem until the direction of the country improves. he added in a recent blog post that quote, every time i placed my hand over my heart and remove my hat, i'm participating in a self congressional glorification of the only country where these mass shootings take place. erica, what's your reaction to how the sports world is voicing their frustration over tuesday's attack? >> well, first of all thank you so much for having me on. you, know when we talk about
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sports that's kind of one of the only arena as, no pun attended, that we as a society of coming together across gender, race, social economic standings. and we're actually unified in this free notice, it makes a lot of sense that these are generally some of the first places that we're seeing these demonstrations take place. of course, steve kerr, has a very personal side of why he's so passion a bit about gun violence, he lost his father who was murdered, almost 40 years ago. but when we see people taking stance, we see athletes taking a stand, obviously we think about colin kaepernick, where else are people going to be that uncomfortable, and that captivated. so, it makes complete sense that in every arena, particular in sports in this country, that people speak up. >> you need some around, she once said that it's the artist duty to reflect the times, that also applies to athletes. i want to turn and talk about britney griner, cheryl griner
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who is their wife, who speaking truth to power, it will be a super start britney griner's been detained in russia for over 100 days now i believe it is. she recently spoke to angela -- saying that there would be a lot more urgency if this was an nba star. here she is, take a listen. >> i just think it's because we do live in a world that the bigger the platform, the bigger the urgency. because of the difference in the wnba platform, and that nba platform, it's gonna be a difference in urgency. >> michelle, do you agree with cheryl griner about the difference and platform here? >> i do. i think her decision to now that it's been 100 days, to start doing media interviews, to speak out against this is really important and really powerful. it allows us to see and feel what this family is really going through. in addition to that, it puts some pressure on the white house and the biden
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administration, to make it known that they're doing something. not to indicate that they're not doing anything, because obviously we know this is a process, we can imagine with trevor reed for instance, how long it took for his relief from russia. we can imagine and hope that they are doing whatever they're doing behind the scenes, but for cheryl griner to say hey, i really would like a meeting with the president, i think that's going to hold the administration accountable, and allow them to make it known to the public that they are working as hard as possible to get britney griner back. >> we will be watching that, okay i've got to get to this guys, -- the popular drink podcast norrie, that's who i'm talking about drink champs is medicated to interviewing -- why some artists continue to choose to do interviews with david lederman and others who he deems are not part of the culture. and he even went as far to say
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that in a tweet quote, i would be honest even going to oprah or gayle's trash at this point, we control our own culture why go the side of it. -- sit down with lederman on netflix, erica, does norrie have a play, not trashing on oprah, does he have a point about people going. outside of the culture to talk about culture not showing love to the home team? i don't think he saying don't go speak to oprah, gayle, our david lederman, but he's saying hard and do that not come talk to me? >> well, so, why don't think this is deserving of beef, i think it's deserving of a conversation. i want our cultural leaders, our artists to be on mainstream media, they need it, and we need to see it. i also want to see our culture leaders and artists be on the independent black platforms as well. they need it, we need to see it. i think we're very behind when it comes to folks teams, especially, when they're not in the culture to understand how
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significant it is to have an independent creator on an independent platform, who honestly, a lot of people are putting their money back into their platforms. they're not getting rich off of it, because it's a love letter to the culture for their particular neighborhood, of the culture. so, yes, we need to be having this back and forth especially as independent creators, because we know the amount of time, and resources that we're putting into the amplification of black excellence and culture, and we need that return from the people who are on the other side, and walking. >> it makes a difference, i absolutely agree with you. i think about -- giving their first look to essence, when they featured on their family, before other media outlets. so, michelle, how do we make sure that the platforms that helped build our artist don't get overlooked when our artist get big? >> to play devils advocate here, when i first read about this
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story, and norrie's critique of artist using to legacy outlets, or legacy media for, why not have there -- for both. there are different audiences according depending on who's interviewing a, look platform it is, and if you're trying to sell records, tell your story, or do whatever you want to be able to reach as many people as possible. , so maybe disagree a little bit with him because i think that if an artist wants to, an artist entertainer wants to have the biggest impact, that they shouldn't can kind of speak to everybody. that way the culture lives on beyond just the parameters of the culture. >> all, right erica, michelle thank you for coming to culture. corn, x symone on the history of memorial day. stay with us. on the histor on the histor of
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quick history lesson as we honor those who have died serving in our country's military. many still recognize the first memorial day as may 30th, 1968, it was actually in 1865 were a former enslaved black people, held the earliest memorial day ceremony after the american civil war. it was right on this racetrack
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in charleston, out south carolina, god's country. more massive paid men and women saw fit to give a proper burial for the fallen union soldiers who risked their lives for freedom. they don't stop there, on may 1st, 1860, five 10,000 formerly enslaved people took the celebration to the streets, they held a parade around that racetrack. so, when i think a memorial day, i reflect on my ancestors who have died fighting for this country, and our freedoms to. this is history that we just can't forget y'all. with that i would add things over to my good friend reverend al sharpton, politicsnation stop starts next. politicsn thank you simone, good evening and welcome to politicsnation. today's lead, consoler-in-chief. ♪ ♪ ♪ thank you for joining us on this solem
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