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in advance of this. so for many groups, mental illness rates and the challenges around emotional well-being were already on the rise, and i think would happen in the pandemic is just got exacerbated, and for kids of color, because as you mentioned, we have racial justice, social justice reckoning, not to mention climate change, which worries of a lot of our young people. we were in isolation. dealing with all of this, we had a perfect storm. >> i gotta ask you really quickly before i let you go, if somebody is watching this at home and it resonates with them, this conversation, what do you recommend they do next? what is the next step towards mental health? >> go to the website to get support. there's a website called sound about together dot org to help you start a conversation. and lean on someone you trust and ask them if they would be willing to walk with you and give you some support. >> doctor alfiee breland-noble, thank you for having this conversation with me. it's been a very difficult week. i'm hoping that whoever is watching this right now hits your words and advice. thank you so much, doctor. >> thank you, sir. >> coming up this hour on aim, in the gop supported effort to put election deniers in charge
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of our elections systems. what one group is doing to stop this assault on our democracy. and, how can the january 6th committee make its best case to american people in the public hearings? and sounding the alarm. one democratic senators morning as the midterms approach. i'm ayman mohyeldin. let's get started. let's get started. let's get started. let's get started. let's get started. -- -- all right, some republicans aren't playing by the same senate rules that democrats are. we establish that already, you know when it comes to judicial nominations, not when it comes to gun control legislation, and definitely not when it comes to our elections. this week the new york times reported that at least 357 sitting republican legislators and closely contested battleground states have used the power of their office to discredit or try to overturn
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the results of the 2020 presidential election. that tally, accounts for 44% in the nine states where the presidential race was mostly narrowly decided. we are afraid on election denying republicans being elected to office, there's no doubt about it. but some of these officials already have a sway in their legislators. just think that, what could happen in the next election, if it is too close to call in one of these states. i'm not trying to fearmonger here, there is legitimate concern that these officials could actually work to discredit a future election result. and the number of officials who might do this dirty work, is likely to go up in the coming months, this week a republican member of the conson election -- resigned from his position saying that the false, stolen election narrative had so consumed his party that he could no longer represented. it might sound like a noble gesture, but actually could have some alarming consequences. the wisconsin -- back republican will now name that officials replacement. and one of the top contenders for the role is, you guessed it, and election denying trump
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supporter. i mean look at what's happening to other local election offices across this country, in hood county, texas election administrator michelle peru was pushed out of her job after an extensive campaign against for failing -- over in philadelphia, i'll schmidt formally the lone republican on the city's election board, he resigned after drawing trump's ire for debunking the stop the steal conspiracy theory. know there are trump purity test happening local and in statewide election offices all across the country. i want to make one point clear here, the problem is much bigger than donald trump, because republicans spread toxic disinformation about voter fraud long before trump ever came onto the scene. and sadly, even republicans who said the trump lost the 2020, have still worked to undermine americans voting rights. this week in georgia, trump's
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preferred can't -- they went down in flames. brian kemp and brian raffensperger are to men that defied -- 2020 election. they pounced or maga groom trump endorsed opponents. camp and raffensperger have pushed election lies in other races, spouting nonsense about voter fraud to just find harsher ton of people can vote in the state of georgia. so, america be warned whether they're trump purists are not, republicans are at large that on the side of election integrity there barely on the side of democracy. joining me now is former illinois senator and former u. s. ambassador to karen mosley brown, ambassador brown it's great to have you with us. i should note that you sit on the national browned -- [interpreter] given when i was just outlining here. talk to me madam ambassador,
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about the mission of the national council of an -- republicans who i would like to believe believe in inflection integrity. >> first off, thank you for having me here today. the commission on and election integrity is a bipartisan effort, there's republicans and democrats. and we all care about our democracy, and preserving the right of the people to choose our leadership, to vote and have those votes counted, and that is really what's at issue right now. i would point out that, can join biden run for president, and when he won around the country saying that there was an existential threat to our democracy? well he's right. because quite frankly the existential threat is the threat to our democracy existing is right in front of us. you've got people who are getting information from bizarre sources, who embrace bizarre theories, conspiracy
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theories and election deniers, and they're singing out of it entirely different choir book than the rest of us. that's one of the big problems, how could you communicate with people that do don't share the same impression of what is the truth. they think it's all a hoax as far as they're concerned. we've just gone through a really tough time in this country, everything from the pandemic, to these mass shootings, and so people are not inclined frankly, to pay a lot of attention to these more fundamental issues, but having our votes counted, has got to be issue one, which is the main issue by which the committee -- as a shorthand for the book. it's issue one, so that's what we're talking about, the diverse and most important issue is letting people vote, getting people to the polls, and making sure those votes get counted. >> i mean it's the cornerstone of our democracy, without it we don't have a functioning
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democracy. i was one who believe that president biden was correct in calling it an existential threat, i still believe that and voting rights are in excess existential threat. do you believe this administration has taken that existential threat had on, realistically with what it's pushing for so far two years in. not just the white house, but members of congress and trying to pass meaningful legislation to shore up our election integrity and voting rights? >> well, you, know i think they're trying the problem is, the echo chamber isn't working as far as i could. tell there is enough going on that people are not actually getting the message, i don't think. and that's why we've got the counseling on elections and integrity, groups like that, are cropping up all over the country, because there's people who are concerned, that it's not getting through to the ordinary and every day voters. that there are those of us who really do care that their votes
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get counted and that they get the aptitude to vote, that there is no funny business with the election, and that's why it's called election integrity. we need to make sure that our elections are honest and conduct in a way that lets people speak their point, that's the fundamental bedrock aspect of democracy. the people get to choose, who their leaders will be, and what we're in right now is this miasma of just bizarre conversation and conspiracy theories, and denies all of that, which is shocking as far as i'm concerned. anytime people want to talk about hanging the vice president, something is really wrong. [laughs] one of the people who was indicted for storming the capitol, led his not guilty plea, was based on the fact that he didn't realize that the capital was for congressman. what? how much of an idiot can you be. i'm not i'm not a judgment so i
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can say things like. that but seriously, -- >> you can say it. yeah. let me ask you this really quickly about what happened in georgia. this week we saw this record voter turnout in georgia during the primary elections, that's despite the host of new anti-democratic voting restrictions put in place by republicans after the 2020 election. as you can imagine, conservatives are saying well, this proves the election security measures aren't actually anti-democratic and they're not targeting against minority. but it seems there's a lot more to it than what they're saying, we still don't have data on ballot rejection rapes, it shouldn't take this massive effort to get someone's ballot count. >> well,, again coming out of the black community i'm old enough to remember at a time when people couldn't vote.
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when they can walk miles and miles and still could not cast a vote. so, if anything the conversation around how the voting system has been rigged in georgia, was to motivate people to come out and actually make sure that they voted, and the votes got counted. and that's what's going on i think in georgia. i hope that's the case across the country, people will see these efforts to stifle their voices and will go to the polls and record numbers. i hope that will be the result, but again, there's no guarantees we need to stay vigilant to protect our democracy. and again, back to joe biden and the existential threat, that's exactly what he's talking about. that our democracy is being threatened from within, and frankly, unfortunately that's how empires crumble, from within.
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it's not an external threat, it's what happens at home, and i hope that we can begin to have a conversation, put specifics back in the classroom, passed the legislation and make sure that the votes get counted. that election integrity is preserved, and to make sure that people have, again, a baseline of understanding. our system of government works. again, someone who doesn't know the capitol or will congress means [laughs] i went to washington for the inauguration, i saw with my own eyes up close and personal, how they trash the capitol, it broke my heart. i was almost in tears, it was horrible. so, when you have people that don't appreciate what they have already, who because of some conspiracy theory, that i could not, would not articulate taking out against the government, against the system of government that we have in
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this country. something is desperately wrong, we all need to weigh in and make sure that whatever that is, that we fix it. starting -- in the classroom. >> i was gonna say this, the stakes couldn't be higher for democracy come this november. former center and vascular carroll moseley-braun, thank you so much, i appreciate your time and insight as always. >> thank. you the >> first public hearing from january six committing are almost year we're gonna break down what you should expect but first richard louis is here with the headlines. >> hey ayman, good to you some of the stories we're watching ukraine president volodymyr zelenskyy, made his first trip outside of the kyiv region since the start of the war. he visited troops on the ground in kharkiv today after confirming that his forces are facing an incredibly difficult situation in the donbas region. the first pacific hurricane in 2020 due, hurricane agatha, is gaining strength as it heads towards mexico's southern coast. experts predict that it takes landfall, or woven landfall
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january six committee will hold its first of six public hearings to disclose what they've learned about the capitol insurrection after conducting more than 1000 interviews and reviewing almost 136,000 documents. the committee faces an electorate that is starkly divided over the gravity of our nation's darkest moment. so, how could the committee best communicate its findings the american pierre. six hearings is it really enough? joining me now is my sunday night panel former democratic congresswoman, debbie debbie mucarsel-powell, and advocacy where that saving lives from gun violence and danielle moodie, host the podcast woke a half and co-host of democracy -- and neil stanage -- thank you so much you've taken part in congressional hearings before let's be honest, some of them can be a little less than fascinating. what should the committee do to make sure they have the
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attention of the country and that their cases affective as possible? >> good evening, ayman. it's really difficult, once you get into that building, that capital building i can tell you that the committee members in the south have been vigilant diligently working that they're providing all the accurate facts of the american people. these hearings are not meant for the democrats that have been following these events for quite some time, or the radicalized extreme republicans who will matter what the committee finds, they are not going to find that those are actual facts. this is meant for that middle of the ground american, who's working really hard to make ends meet, who's not paying attention who doesn't remember all the details behind january 6th. so, the idea for the committee right now is to make sure that they're communicating in a way that breed reaches those americans. those are the americans that need to be reminded that the
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republican party, the ultra maga party tried to attempt a coup by the insurrection on january six on capitol hill and we need to connect with their hots and mars. reminding them that if someone came and tried the insurrection against their place of war, they would want to know exactly who did it, why this happened, so we have white anything like that. this was the biggest assault on our democracy, we need to make sure this doesn't happen again. so, it's a huge lift for the committee at this play. >> now what is the white house prepared to do in all of this, what are you hearing about how the white house is planning to handle these hearings and whether or not you're gonna see them front and center as well with whatever the findings are? >> well, i think one of, one of the interesting thing is that we have seen president biden increasingly use terms like ultra maga to describe the republican party as a radical party, pointing to the way that
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the republican party has changed from gawking terms -- there really can't be any more dramatic or stark illustrations of that, ayman, then what we really call the democracy darkest day in our recent history. a full out assault on the capitol, on american democracy, on the peaceful transfer of power. now, that doesn't mean the president biden will be out there every day, commenting upon the hearings, but in terms of making that case that he is looking to make going into the midterms, one can hardly imagine more powerful test, or back up for that argument. >> danielle, the republicans and certainly the echo chamber fox news, has been trying to move on from january six, we hear that's the official position for mike pence, it's time to move on, colin visa rice also said it at one point. -- >> danielle, the republicans and certainly the echo chamber fox news, has been trying to move on from january six, we hear that's the official position for mike pence, it's
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time to move on, colin visa rice also said it at one point. do you see any chance of the committee hearings -- breaking through to fox viewers or is it -- convincing unconvinced will voters and quite frankly not just about votes but about americans caring about the future of the democracy, what might have derailed it. >> yeah, i think we need to let the fox viewers go, there are never coming down to art -- frankly and so we need to focus on the majority of the americans haven't been, completely stressed about gas prices since we need to grab their attention and frankly anguish this wasn't happening at the beginning of the summer i wish this was happening at the beginning of september but no republicans want to -- their politicizing it, just a few months before midterm elections. but remember in between the elections of joe biden and him being sworn in, amy coney
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barrett became the supreme court justice nominee. it was seated so i think that democrats could've been a lot more strategic frankly with the timing of, this as opposed to an entire summer going by and it's having several months until midterms. >> congresswoman the washington post reported this month that conflicts between committee members and how much focus should be on the former president and the role he played in all this. on one hand, democratic congressman stephanie murphy wanted to dedicate more time to the security and intelligence failures that led to the capital breach, congresswoman liz cheney wanted to make the case that trump was ultimately responsible, your thoughts on that divide? >> look, i think the committee 's responsibility is to provide every piece of information that they have in front of them to the american public. and let's not be naive, we've made a mistake here waiting so long to have these hearings actually and that's why the
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public is so divided, donald trump incited an insurrection founded on the notion that the election in 2020 was stolen. he has been using this lie to rally his base, we see that kevin mccarthy and elise stefanik, -- they're the face now the ultra maga movement. they think that the only way to win in 2022, is by basing their campaign, their talking points on this notion that the election was stolen. so, donald trump is absolutely one of the main characters in this whole story. you cannot ignore the fact that he had incited the insurrection. so, i'm actually really curious to see what type of information the committees going to turn over to the public, and these hearings that we haven't heard before, but i can guarantee you there's gonna be a lot there that we still haven't heard. >> now this week the new york times reported that as the capitol riot was underway,
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trump was set to have reacted approvingly to the rioters chants about hanging mike pence. i want to say it surprises me, but it really does not, what could the implications of such a revelation be that this president was nodding approvingly for the crowd to as they were chanting, to hang mike pence? >> it's appalling, but it's trumpian at the same time. one of the few things virtually everyone in this country would agree on is that it's actually not that surprising. i think people that love trump will make light of, it and people who are appalled will be appalled by. it but the more serious point in terms of the implications, i think, ayman, is remember mike pence was not only under a lot of pressure, it was not guaranteed that he would withstand that pressure. and even during the attack, then president trump was tweeting criticisms of pants. we know before that gate that vice president pence had contacted dan quayle, of all
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people trying to see if there was some way that he can maneuver around these results. so, when you have a president saying that it would be okay that his vice president might be hanged, on the one hand it's so wild it's hard to get your head around. on the other, it's part of this broader picture that was clearly an objectively aimed at overturning the election. . >> danielle, your reaction to that new york times report? >> my god, i wonder how much more evidence that we need that donald trump is a criminal. i wonder how much more evidence that we made in order to see a series of prayed of indictments by the department of justice. i mean, the words of a president remember before donald trump became president of united states, anything that a president said was considered serious. it was considered a direct order. you think about these people
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that are standing on the steps of the capital, building a guillotine, they built a guillotine, and they were chanting hang mike pence. so, for donald trump to be watching this on television, and then to say, maybe that's a good idea. my goodness, where are we as a country, that's the words of a dictator, not of a president of the united states, not of a democracy. >> the troubling thing is people always brush it off as he was joking, he was joking. when you're the president of the united states you don't get that -- vice president being hung. panel, stick around we got a lot more to discuss up next how a combat republican lies about the january six committee, stick around. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst! psst! flonase all good.
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the house majority leader kevin mccarthy accusing the committee of weaponizing government to attack republicans. the trump loyalist went on to call the community's decision to subpoena them and three other republican members of congress an abusive tactic. let's be clear here, the american people deserve to hear the truth about what happened on january the 6th and who might have been involved. it's not the committee playing politics here. it's kevin mccarthy, jim jordan and the cronies. they're the ones politicizing and on partisan investigation by refusing to cooperate. west we'll forget a political committee hack job might have been the benghazi -- several years ago against then secretary of state hillary clinton. let me start with you, mccarthy and jordan called the subpoenas unprecedented, but taylor, the sixth was not an -- it wasn't unprecedented event. it was the closest thing we had to attempt to overthrow the government since the civil war. these members are trying to conceal information. it was unprecedented, no? >> we listen to kevin mccarthy
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in his own words on the tape that was released. he said he wanted donald trump to resign, that this was a moment that the republican party needed to break from donald trump. that day, mitch mcconnell on the floor said that we were laying this at donald trump's feet and these are republicans in their own words. this was not a lost horse group. this was not a peaceful protest. people died and were severely injured and are still suffering from those injuries. the american people deserve to know what's broke down here. right now it seems donald trump is what's broke down. >> congressman, in that same op-ed the duo wrote for house republican leaders to agree to participate in this political stunt which changed the house forever. could house also be changed forever if sitting lawmakers
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ignored the law and refused to cooperate with a congressional investigation? because i can't think of anything that undermines the house, the members of the house now abiding by subpoena from the house? >> exactly. the house of representatives has an oversight charge on all of these items and a court with a judge that was appointed by donald trump actually throughout this lawsuit by the republican national committee by saying they had no basis for conducting the investigation or to subpoena these members. i think that it is very, very crucial to ensure that we use all the powers that the house has, which we have not in the past. we have if -- contempt of court in the house of representatives, which it's not been used in a century. i think this is a moment in time where we need to use all of our tools to ensure that we don't lose our democracy. i think that most americans are still living under this bubble that america is somehow immune to these attacks and our democracy. republicans, the ultra minor republicans have been setting
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the stage for a takeover. kevin mccarthy's soul priority right now is to make sure that he wins the house majority in november. he's willing to do anything that it takes to put his -- before truth and democracy so that he can become speaker. that's actually really interesting, because at this point even if they do win the house in november he is likely not going to be the speaker of the house. i think we cannot set the precedent that people can actually violate the subpoena orders by a house conducting oversight on the greatest attack on our democracy. >> now congressman jim jordan has told the panel that he would be willing to cooperate if certain conditions were met, including sharing all the evidence the committee had on him ahead of time. what do you make of that move? does that -- is that something that the committee has, not this
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committee, but congressional committees do? i don't know of any investigative body that shares the evidence that has with the witness they'd like to hear from. >> right. i think this has to be more than a tactical sense. i think this is part of a strategy of demanding things of the democrats and committee that you know they're not going to give, and then you declined to participate further on that basis. we see that in the op-ed that you're referring to by jim jordan and kevin mccarthy where they accuse nancy pelosi, the speaker of sacrificing balance or impartiality, or something like that, by not accepting mccarthy's nominee to this committee in the first place. kevin mccarthy nominated five people. three of them have voted to overturn election results on the evening of the capitol insurrection. democrats, how are they supposed to accept that? that people who had been in effect by their -- supportive of the insurrection
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should be on the panel investigating it? there's no way democrats are going to accept that, which presumably, republican snow, but then they get into this political sleight of hand of accusing the democrats of partisanship having suggested something for with the new democrats would never expect -- except. >> for me it is that the republicans are not good faith actors, whether it's kevin mccarthy putting people on the panel or nominating three people on the panel who voted to overturn the election, whether it's jim jordan saying that speaker pelosi is politicizing it. these are not good faith conversations that the republicans are having. that's what scares me, danielle, could that republicans here be better at playing politics and distracting from these planned public hearings? how do you message against these extra -- obstructionism that the republicans keep throwing up, in particular with the absence of somebody like merrick
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garland who has traded solely and going after people who defy congressional subpoenas? >> we need to have collective action by all democrats, but the language that they're using, we're referring to this group as ultra maga, which for them as a compliment. they want to be ultra maga, but they are a party that supports white supremacy and they are a party that supports misogyny and patriarchy so just tell the truth about the fact that they want to overturn roe v. wade and there will be no exceptions whatsoever for abortion. tell the truth about what they are doing to target trans and lgbtq's in this country. tell the truth about why they are trying to suppress the vote of black people and enforce this idea that we should live under threat in this country by police. there are so many things, so many ways that this group, the democratic establishment can tell the truth and forcefully. these are not their friends from across the aisle. these are people who want to overthrow our democracy and are
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not above doing it with violence as we saw on january 6th, and we still are seeing it in the slow-moving crew that aid are using. >> he still have people like senator manchin and sinema who are holding on to a bipartisan era where they think people across the aisle are going to meet them halfway on some of these issues. only the duped time and time again. panel, stick around. after the break we will break down the new election outlook for democrats in the upcoming midterms. midterms it's innovative. my go to toothpaste is going to be pronamel repair. ♪ ♪ we believe there's an innovator in all of us. that's why we build technology that helps everyone come to the table and do more incredible things. ♪ ♪
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grim forecast ahead for democrats in this year's midterms. the nonpartisan election forecasters at the political report shifted ten house races for republicans. that means they're not anticipating the gop will -- retake the chamber and more warnings are coming from inside the democrats's own party. michael bennett told his colleagues not to take prospect 's, his reelection for granted, this by the fact that president biden won his state by 13 points in 2020. my panel is back with me to discuss this. congressman, i'll start with you. anything that can stop democrats and their losses come november? obviously these polls are happening against the perception of that economic times, but then you also have things like roe v. wade, which could come out in june that could mobilize democratic voters as well as other issues related to gun rights and as we've seen, these tragedies mobilize voters calling for gun reform in this country. >> amen, that warning by senator bennett reminds me of the warnings that i was giving to the party back in 2020 when i was facing my reelection. i knew something was going on on the ground.
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it was dismissed. people were listening to the polls thinking that everything was going to be all right and on the work that we were doing in the house of representatives. i would suggest that democrats really heed that warning. we still have five months before the election. there's a lot of time for that. i can tell you that just in the past few weeks we've seen gains by democrats in many of these races. why? because of the threat of overturning roe v. wade. with the tragedy that we've seen now in uvalde, the electorate is angry. they're frustrated. they're activating. they will not vote for candidates that don't support common sense gun reform legislation. i've seen that with florida voters, pennsylvania voters, texas voters, latinos, african americans, you name it. it's going to be now the responsibility of democrats to ensure that they take swift action. that's the warning no.
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we have a moment in time to show that when we have the control of the house of representatives, when we have 50/50 senate and a democrat in the white house we could take swift action to protect the life of our children. that can really determine who is going to come out to the ballot in november and make sure that the right candidates, the democrats that are on the right side of these issues win. >> danielle, what do you make of this forecast? should democrats be that concerned? >> i think that the entire country needs to be that concerned. this is not any other kind of election. i hesitate when we consider what pollsters are saying so far ahead of an election, but the reality is is that we're not getting another bite of the apple. democrats are not getting another opportunity if republicans are able to take back both chambers. our democracy is done. i don't say that in a way that is hyperbolic. i say it to say pay attention to all of the moves that they are making at the state and
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local levels. they are going to institute with they are doing in tennessee, texas and florida. nationwide when they have the ability to do so. while we are holding on to the executive branch, we know when they did to former president obama and during his time. we cannot take anytime for granted whether we have five months or five days. democrats need to fight like everything is dependent on this midterm election. >> now what will it mean for democrats of someone like colorado senator michael bennet loses his reelection bid despite president biden winning his state by 13 points? also at the time, democrats managed to capture that seat with what was once held by senator gardner? >> it will send shockwaves through the party for sure, amen. if they lost a senate seat in the state of president biden had won by that margin. would that would point to for democrats would be a note of the support in the middle ground. people who aren't particularly -- well maybe people who aren't necessarily engaged with political news from day-to-day,
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but who turned to president biden after the trauma and tumult of president trump, hoping that there would be some return to normalcy. now democrats are running into the big headwind with inflation. there's just no question about that. whether they're culpable for it is a much more difficult question, but the historical trend is that the presidents party struggles in the first midterm elections. going into those midterm elections with an inflation of a percent, that is a very tough climb, regardless of ideology. when we come back then out to republicans for a moment. former all boma advisor dan 54 pointed out in his substack last week, we obsess over trump's role in the party we are in danger of diluting ourselves into thinking that the threat of trumpism will go away when he does. what do you think about that, i think the republican party now
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is not about trump, as we saw in georgia his candidates have lost, maximum cawthorn, and other -- but across the board republicans are trumpists, there are a spouse-ing the ideology of trump and doing what he wants them to do, even if they don't have his specific blessing and endorsement. >> yes, trumpism is no longer about donald trump the man. it's about trumpism as an ideology, this is what the republicans have decided to embrace. you think about all of their extremism, you think about the way in which they're going to overturn abortion, with no exceptions, you think about the way that they're deciding what your children are going to learn, what we need to hide from your children, or more afraid of books in this country than we are of ar-15s according to republicans. so, we need to understand that the more extreme they become, the more excited their base cats. we cannot look away from that
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and think, oh, donald trump doesn't have as much weight as he did. it's not about him. it's about what they've decided as their winning strategy, which is to create an alternate reality, and it forced us all to live under threat, right, and with their abiding by their extremism. we need to say that, and pounded into people's minds as we continue to make the march into midterms. >> now your thoughts on that? >> clearly, trump isn't is the dominant strain of the republican parting. it's interesting watching some of these primaries, yes former president trump has lost some of his candidate's. but for the most part, it's not as if the old style traditional republican candidate, had some wide scale resurgence. this is really trump's party, whether they go for his candidate or not ideologically it's his party. >> yeah, i made the point earlier as well that there are
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no more never trumpers, no one 's running on an anti trump campaign in anywhere in the republican party that i know of. liz cheney is the last person standing, we'll see how she fares come november. congresswoman, before we go you're a senior adviser, -- tell us about your work and what you have to see done with gun reform, i mean it's obviously front and center in our congress right now, we hope it becomes that way in our political discourse as well, as we've seen time and time again, weeks from now it's probably gonna fall by the wayside? >> yeah, let me just say that we've been working relentlessly on this issue, before buffalo, before you've all, the putting pressure on the administration and congress to pass common sense gun reform laws. we know that 90% of americans, ayman, whether democrats, republicans, independents to page hr a which is the
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universal background check bill. we know red flag law support -- after the parkland shootings use more than 6000 times, in a state where we know it's has republican control over the past 20 years, red flag laws were. we know that more guns on the streets is making our children less safe, we have to show that the administration and congress can work on this issue and deliver for the people. i'm extremely concerned because as we talk about trumpism, and the radicalization of his party, they use violence to really rile up their base. at this, point we are seeing more and more incidents of political -- mass shootings, gun sales have gone up by 30% in the past year. right now, there is laws like in texas that have been passed which is an open carry law, making texans less safe. we know here in florida, ron desantis, is threatening to do exactly the same. , so gifford's been working
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with legislators across the board, sometimes our board is successful when we stop these bills from being introduced. so, i hope that everyone joins our efforts, gifford's dot or buy when you take this moment to have people join us. thank you so much ayman. >> thank you congresswoman debbie mucarsel-powell, danielle moodie, niall stanage, greatly appreciate your insights and analysis this evening. next, is president biden inching closer to canceling student debt. debt y that helps everyone come to the table and do more incredible things. ♪ ♪
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