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today at the white house, president biden said this. >> there's a constitution. i can't dictate this stuff. i can do the things i've done and any executive action i can take i can continue to take, but i can't outlaw a weapon. i can't, you know, change the background cheques. i can't do that. >> president biden's justice department has announced they will conduct a review of law enforcement's actions on the day of the mass murder in uvalde, texas. the police commander on the scene of the shooting at the time, peter arredondo, who delayed any attempt to stop the
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murder for 78 minutes, has not yet explained that decision. three weeks ago arredondo was elected to a second job as a member of the uvalde city council. he intended to continue to serve of as the chief of police for the uvalde school district while serving on the city council. peter arredondo was scheduled to be sworn in tomorrow as a member of the city council at a meeting of the uvalde city council. earlier today, that uvalde city council meeting is scheduled tomorrow was cancelled. yesterday the president and first lady brought flowers to the memorial site outside robb elementary school in uvalde. they touched the photos of the 19 murdered children and the two teachers who lost their lives trying to save lives of those children. president biden and first lady jill biden attended sunday mass in uvalde at a catholic church filled with mourners, including some of the family members of the victims, and as the
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president was leaving, some in the crowd pleaded with the president to do something. he responded by saying i will. >> i will, i will. >> joining us now nbc's sam brock in uvalde. sam, that city council meeting for tomorrow has been cancelled. that was the next time that people in uvalde had a right to expect to learn more about what happened in that school. what next? >> that's just it, so basically, lawrence, good evening, good to be with you. since last tuesday, that's the last time that we heard from the city and from chief arredondo. radio silence since then. dps, that's the state's department of public safety, did speak on friday to go through some of this sort of back and forth timeline that we've seen
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over the course of the last five or six days. that's the last time we've gotten any sort of public update at all. with respect to arredondo, we did for the first time today get a press release from the mayor of uvalde, and he later sat down with a local affiliate to discuss what he said was the fact that arredondo was duly elected to that office and sees no reason according to the texas constitution or the election code or anything else for that matter that would prohibit him from taking the oath of office. to our knowledge we're currently not aware of any investigation of mr. arredondo. we do know, lawrence, as you mentioned at the top of the show, the doj is now conducting an independent review. as far as the community stands on guns. it's very nuanced no. black or white cookie cutter response to that. did i speak with several family members of victims. they told me pretty much across the board they don't believe that an 18-year-old should have access to an assault-style rifle, not a commentary on taking weapons away. they don't think that's appropriate.
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our morgan chesky sat down with a teacher who saved her students by making them duck before bullets came breaking through the classroom window and she was asked who do you blame for all of this? she said i blame the shooter, i blame the shooter. there's a divide in terms of the response. it's also notable when the mayor did sit down with the local affiliate in cbs says there's a couple of problems, one, the second amendment certainly is in place and guns are an issue, and he also says that someone has to pull the trigger. both are problems and that acknowledge in and of its own right is a big question here but biggest question without any sort of argument is the response from the law enforcement that was on the ground. why did it make 47 minutes for what we learned was 19 law enforcement officials locally who were situated in the hallways of that school to actually take action, and why were federal agents who arrived at the scene at 12:15 forced to override, according to senior law enforcement officials, the guidance they were getting from arredondo and the local school district here and actually move into the building and take out the gunman? all of these right now are
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central to any investigation being conducted here in uvalde. lawrence. >> nbc's sam brock in uvalde. sam, thank you very much. really appreciate that report. >> thank you. joining us now is julian castro in ufld they weekend. he served at mayor of san antonio, texas, and is an msnbc political analyst. what did you learn in uvalde? good to be with you, lawrence, well, i learned that there was a tremendous amount of anger, of this quiet growing anger and impatience. the phrase that i heard most often from residents, from some of the extended family members of victims that i spoke to was something has to change. i also heard, and sam sort of alluded to this in what he described in the conversations with -- with people involved. people seem to want an all of the above approach to ending
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these types of situations. they recognize that there are problems with their gun laws. i also heard a lot of folks say why in the world did an 18-year-old have access to this type of a weapon? they agreed to school should be as secure as possible. they also think that -- that mental health is an issue in some instances and truth be told, uvalde, which is only a city of about 20,000 people, heavily mexican american, has been underserved in terms of social services, mental health care services for generations, so all of those things come into play when you ask folks just plainly, look, what do you think should be done if you want change? >> when you consider that peter arredondo has been duly elected to the city council, they have postponed tomorrow's meeting where he was going to be sworn in, there comes a question of at what point does the public official resign a position because of lost confidence.
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whether he thinks he did a good job at the school or not, there's certainly a case to be made for him to resign because the public has lost confidence in him and certainly the voters who expressed their will three weeks before this school shooting might have a different view now about whether he should serve on that city council. >> absolutely. look, this is a city council race that i think he won with 126 votes. if you re-ran that race right now i bet he would lose by more than 126 votes. the public does not have any confidence in him. either he's going to end up resigning, i believe, or likely under the uvalde charter or under texas law there's going to be a recall of now councilman arredondo. he's in a different position now. as you know, lawrence, as an elected official because now he's directly accountable to the public in that elected office versus serving as a member of an organization within the school
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district, even as the chief of police there, where he reports to the superintendent but not directly accountable to the public. the other folks that will be on the hot seat that haven't been discussed much are the school board members. i have no doubt, especially in a small town like this, that those uvalde consolidated independent school district members are getting calls all the time saying why in the world have y'all not gotten rid of this police chief? what is going on? they are probably telling the superintendent, hey, you know, when is some action going to be taken here, so there's a lot -- i'm sure there's a lot of pressure for him either to resign or he's going to get fired from his position and then recalled from the city council position. >> in any event, this is the -- as far as i know the least amount of transparency we have seen in a shooting like this from officials who were at scene while it was actually going on.
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>> that's true. we saw last week that the story of what happened changed four times in four days. i have never seen that before, and i know the experts that we've had on say they have never seen that before, most of them, and so that absolutely shattered the confidence and the trust that people in the community have, even people who disagree on what the solution is, whether they think it's guns or mental health or whatever to a person. they do not have confidence in the explanation, the response about what happened, and that's going to cause a lot of turmoil in this small community. it makes it especially difficult when these are folks who have grown up with each other. they have grope up with many of these law enforcement officers. they go to the same church. they shop at the same grocery store. they have to -- they see each other all the time and so the tension there, the disappointment and the anger is palpable and going to be felt i
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think by everyone. >> julian castro, thank you for joining us in our member call day coverage. we appreciate it. thank you. >> thank you. and joining the discussion now chairman hinojosa, chairman of the democrat party and gina hinojosa. this is father and daughter, thank you both for joining us. mr. hinojosa, you have seen so much in your time in texas. have you ever seen a situation in which public officials have been less accountable and less helpful in explaining as quickly as possible what actually happened in that school? >> no, never. this is the first time i've seen anything like this occur, particularly when you have so many different law enforcement agencies involved here. you know, we have the department of public safety which is the chief law enforcement agency in the state of texas. they are generally the people
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that when you come on to the scene, they charge -- they are the ones that are calling all the shots, and then they are blaming the head of the school district and police department which is a small, small department. this is a city of 16,000. you're not talking about a very big police department, so it's very strange to me that the largest law enforcement agency, the agency that's in channel of all law enforcement in the state of texas in the sense that the department of public safety would defer over to a small city school district chief of police to make these critical decisions. it doesn't make any sense and what it does tell you more than anything else, and anybody who says that the cause of these loss of life is not the weapon but the shooter. they don't understand that when you've got sub-like this with an
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automatic we op at school firing at police officers, it really puts a lot of pressure on them not to go forward because they are scared, so no matter what happens, these weapons of war are a cause of death and in a lot of different ways it prevented police officers from going into the school to save these children because they were afraid they were going to get shot. this is a weapon that has no business being in the hands of private citizens. it is a weapon of war. it's designed to kill human beings. >> representative hinojosa what, should the governor of texas be doing? >> well, first, the governor needs to put politics aside and tend to the needs of texans. i was really disappointed to hear that in his speech to the nra last week he said that changing the law wouldn't make a difference, it wouldn't matter and at the same time that was in a recorded video, yet he was in
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person in uvalde saying to the community there that we would absolutely change the laws to make our schoolchildren more safe. it is time to put politics aside and to do what's right for the people of texas to keep our schoolchildren safe. we need to take action. we need an emergency special session to be called by our governor. he has sole discretion to call the emergency special session so we can pass laws to allow for our schools to be safe, our children to be safe before the school doors open back up in august. >> mr. hinojosa, the governor said something i found very strange the other day when he suggested that mass shootings like this with a new phenomenon and in particular a new phenomenon in texas when you and i certainly know that the very first such event of the
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television age occurred in texas in 1966 in the texas tower in austin at the university of texas with a former marine getting up into that tower with a rifle and shooting down people. i believe he killed about 16 people that day on the campus. our understanding of these kinds of events began in texas over 50 years ago. >> and it's gotten worse. i mean, you've seen in the last two years. we had a mass school shooting in santa fe high school in galveston county. we've had the sutherland church incident where 23 or 27 church-goers were killed and then the walmart in el paso where around 27 people were killed by a mass shooter, all of them using ar-15s. we've had in the united states 27 school shootings since the first of the year, one every
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week since then. this is a phenomena that we have -- that has become out of control in this state and in this country. look, the governor called three successive special sessions to pass a voter suppression law in the state of texas because he said it was a high priority for the people of the state of texas. a law that everybody knew was not needed because their own secretary of state said that in texas the election was run in a very responsible and fraud-free way. why can't he call a special session on this where we have 19 children that were killed, two adults that were killed by a person that was carrying and got an automatic weapon the day that he turned 18 years old in the state -- in the state of texas? you can buy an automatic weapon at the age of 18 but you can't buy a gun. you've got to wait for 21 to be able to buy a gun, and you don't need a license for any of these
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things in texas because with this governor talks about priorities. it's a priority in the state of texas to pass a law that says you don't have to have a permit to carry a gun in the state of texas. this is crazy, what we're seeing in the state of texas by this governor and the republican legislature in the state of texas, and that's why these things happen and why children die every single day. >> representative hinojosa, we heard people in uvalde pleading with president biden do something. that was -- that was their plea, as simple and raw as that. you must be getting that same kind of plea in texas. what do you tell people about a republican-controlled government in which you're trying to do something? >> well, we need to hold them accountable. i will say i am hearing from even republicans now that we need to do something and that we need to do something about the gun. please understand that this is not who we are as texans in
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terms of our culture and our history. it wasn't until 1994 that you could even carry handgun in public in the state of texas. in the it years under republican control we've obliterated our gun safety laws to the point, where my dad was saying a minute ago, that you no longer need to pass a background check or receive training to carry gun in public. this is nonsense. texans are about family. we're about integrity. we can do something about this problem, and it's on all of us to demand accountability and demand that something be done now, that we do not wait. we can no longer wait. we must act now before schools open back up in august. we have a window right now to do something to keep our kids safe. >> texas democratic party chair -- i'm sorry, we're a bit out of time on this segment. gilberto hinojosa and gina
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in a new politico poll, 88% of respondents say they support requiring background cheques on all gun purchases. senator chris murphy of connecticut is leading the effort to reach some kind of an agreement with republicans on gun safety legislation. >> listen, i've been clear. i'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. we're talking about red flag laws and talking about strengthening and expanding the background check system and safe storage and we're talking about mental health resources and more
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security dollars for school, a package that really in the end could have a significant downward pressure on gun violence in this country and break the logjam. maybe that's the most important thing that we could do is show that progress is responsible and that sky doesn't fall for republicans if they support some of these common sense measures. >> joining us now is congressman colin allred of texas. he is a former voting rights and civil rights attorney. congressman, thank you very much for joining us tonight, and i want you to take on what joe biden heard in uvalde when people were pleading with him as he was leaving do something. just this simple two-word request that they were yelling to their president. how would you answer that? >> that we have to, and they are right. they are right. they should be frustrated. they should be upset. the time to stop the next school shooting is right now because we should act now, and we know what
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we need to do. i'm so glad to have senator murphy working on this, apparently senator cornyn. i hope he's acting in good faith also trying to find a way forward, but the stat that you just gave, lawrence, of 88% of americans agreeing that we need to do something and then our democracy not being responsive to that means that there's something broken in the system. there's something broken ninth sentive structure if we can't find ten republicans to join us in trying to do that because when you see numbers like that, lawrence, you and i both know this. it's unheard of. it's not possible or normal for americans to agree that much and that overwhelmingly on a topic but they do about us to try to protect people. nobody is talking about violating constitutional rights. we're talking about protecting people and saving people lives. >> let's listen to what our neighbor to the north, how canada deals with this same issue. this is canadian prime minister justin trudeau today in canada. let's listen to this.
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>> two years ago our government banned 1,500 models of assault-style weapons, including the ruegger mini 14 used and the ar 50. we also expanded background cheques to keep firearms out of the wrong hands. we did it because it was what responsible leadership required us to do, and now as we see gun violence continue to rise, it is our duty to keep taking action, so today we're moving forward. we're introducing legislation to implement a national freeze on handgun ownership. what this means is it will no longer be possible to buy, sell, transfer or importland guns anywhere in canada. in other words, we're capping
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the market for handguns. >> and that doesn't mean taking anyone's handguns away but just no more transactions of handguns in canada, and when you see responsiveness like that in government, it really is a stark contrast with the government you're working in. >> yeah. obviously we have a different culture. we have a different constitution, but what we're talking about sheer a fundamental aspect of government which is keeping people safe, and real, lawrence, we're fwoilg down talking about school shootings, so much of our society is built around keeping our children safe. we make you slow your car down when you drive past the school even if they are not walking around outside because we want to the make sure that no kid is potentially going to be hit by a car outside of that school zone, so we know how to protect our kids. we do this in so many different areas. i think the right model is look at how we've approached car safety over the year, you know, to progressively find ways to
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make cars more safe on the road, whether that's seat belts or speed limits, you know, or moving forward with more safe technology in the vehicles themselves. nobody is talking about taking away your cars. they are saying though, that you can't drive an f1 around. you can't go serb speeds. you can't, know, do certain things because it's dangerous, and that's really a function of -- a normal function of government, and so this is so much of an example of what's broken, as i said earlier in our democracy. the fact that it's taken so long, that we have to have this conversation again, that we've lost more precious children, more precious lives in this country every single day. >> texas congressman colin allred, thank you very much for joining us. we always appreciate it. >> thanks, lawrence. >> thank you. coming up, the latest on the russian invasion and more in ukraine. president zelenskyy made his first visit outside of the kyiv region to kharkiv just 25 miles from the russian border.
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city's founding 1,540 years ago. president volodymyr zelenskyy visited the front lines of the war on sunday traveling to the northeastern city of kharkiv. it was president zelenskyy's first official appearance outside of the capital city since the war began nearly 100 days ago. president zelenskyy visited troops and surveyed the damage caused by vladimir putin's invasion and war. as russian forces continue to bombard eastern rp ukraine, officials russia officials are urging people living in occupied areas to live in ukranian controlled area. the european union has reached an agreement that would ban all imports of russian oil, 27% of europe's crude oil comes from russia. this comes shortly after president zelenskyy urged the european union to approve those sanctions.
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joining us now phillips o'brien, professor of strategic studies at the university of st. anders. he's the author of "how the war was won, air, sea, power and allied victory in world war ii" and also with us is the foreign affairs columnist for "usa today" and "the daily beast" and host of the deep state podcast and professor o'brien, let me begin with you. an assessment as best as you can
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make it where the war stands almost 100 days in. >> certainly a very different war than anyone expected or most people expected when it started. we are watching two things occur right now on the ground. one is this sort of the russian attempt to slice off a relatively small part of the donbas by cons straight a huge amount of their forces. we've been hearing about the fighting in an area which is an attempt for russia to take as much as donetsk as we can in that area. we're also hearing reports in the last day about a ukranian counteroffensive to start taking back territory in the west of the country near kherson, and there are more reports coming in ukranians making advances there, so those team to be the most two active theaters one with the russians pressing forward and others with the ukranians
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countering >> with europe agreeing to ban russian crude oil is something that seemed unimaginable. even in the first days of this war. >> it didn't ban russian crude oil. it banned crude oil via pipeline and it excluded hungary, and the reason i made that distinction is that's about two-thirds of the crude oil that russia provides to europe, and it will make an impact, but it also shows how difficult it is to manage the europeans when it comes to further sanctions, and i think one of the things that we see in president zelenskyy going to kharkiv is not just trying to maintain the morale of his people, but he has to change his footing from being the person who is behind the miracle of repelling russia in the first weeks of this war to being a leader who can keep together his
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coalition over a long term, because as you just heard, it's very likely that this war will go on for months and months and months which means keep the troops moving and also means keeping the allies together. >> professor o'brien, there's another military item that we're looking at now that, again, was inconceivable in the first couple of weeks of this war, and that is the restoration of the american embassy in kyiv, and that, of course, with -- as with american embassies around the world, normally includes a protective unit of marines at embassies, and in this case they might want a protective unit of special forces of certain kinds, and there you have the question of introducing actual u.s. troops in ukraine in what is a traditional mission for them around the world in every country, but at the beginning of this the notion of any form of u.s. boots on the ground even to protect a embassy was not something that the united states seemed ready to cop template.
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>> no, i mean, the united states government actually to begin with developed very hesitant. they left quite quickly and stayed away a lot longer than any other governments. i think they are making exactly the right choice now which is to say ukraine is by the way being illegally invaded. the russians haven't even declared war. the capital of ukraine is safe as far as we can tell. there are occasional missile attacks and it should be staff. man that's absolutely the right choice. clad they are doing it now. >> david, should we be changing our calculations on the 100th day of this war compared to the say 10th day of this war about the possibility of provoking
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russia, into provoking putin into a larger war since we've seen how relatively feeble putin's forces are in ukraine? it seems like this army that cannot conquer ukraine does not seem like much of a threat to expand its war. >> yeah. i think that's true. i think the united states has made is clear that it won't do anythinging that could leefld to a nuclear confrequent or manleyor and here's the latest i did do, not only push back on the russians but actually defeat the russians. this is a goal laid out there by secretary austin, second blinken and when he start that as the goal, providing more weapons and funding and working with
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ukranians to proand ultimately to win is something that we can do. it's been done with a highly degree of confidence. >> thank you both so much for joining us not. >> inning that you. coming up, there's no reporting about the white speccist white hurter in buffalo two weeks ago. that's next. r in buffalo two weeks ago. that's next. what are you recommending for muscle pain? based on clinical data, i recommend salonpas. agreed... my patients like these patches because they work for up to 12 hours, even on moderate pain. salonpas. it's good medicine
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["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] discover is accepted at 99% of places in the u.s. ["only wanna be with you" by hootie & the blowfish] there's no reporting on the avoid white supremacist accused of murdering step back people at a local supermarket in buffalo two weeks ago. "the buffalo news" reports the gunman may have shared his plan with six individuals, including a retired federal agent in a racist online chat group. "buffalo news" reports these were like-mind people who used
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this chat group to talk about their shared interests in racial hatred, replacement theory and hatred of anyone who is jewish, a person of color and not of european ancestry said one of the two law enforcement officials with close knowledge of the situation. what is especially upsetting is these six people received advanced notice of the buffalo shooting about 30 minutes before it happens. the fbi has verified that none of these people called it warning people that the fbi database shows no advance tips from anyone that this shooting was about to happen. this weekend vice president kamala harris visited a memorial and attended a last funeral for the victim of the buffalo shooting ruth whittfield. vice president harris said this. >> i really do thinking that he
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needs to say that the fact that this year alone i'm told that he's had over 200 mass shootings, over 200. we're barely halfway through the year, and when we're looking at an epidemic of hate where people are being targeted just because of who they are, i think we all have to stand back and say, wait, enough, enough is enough, a harm against any one of us is a harm against us. no one should be left to fight alone and we've got to deal with it. >> and joining our discussion now amber payne and deborah d. douglas, co-editors-in-chief of "the emancipator," a partnership with "boston globe" and boston university's center for anti-racist research to reframe the conversation of racial justice and equity. thanks so much for joining us. amber payne, let me begin with you and this now reporting so
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importantly contributed by "the buffalo news," local reporting on a national story like this. turns out to be invaluable, and this shows us the image of these gunman working alone isn't really true. this was someone who was in communication with others about what he wanted to do. >> it's really chilling, lawrence. thank you for having us, but it's really chilling to know that this person was in communication with others and that even a potentially -- each a potentially retired law enforcement officer was aware of this. you know, time and time again they say that they recognize racial injustice and that there should be something that's done about it, but once again we're standing in this gap between real moral awakening and a resistance to institutional change and we find that just white supremacy has permeated and has become toxic and it's
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really a true question about what can actually be done to quell this. >> debra douglas, this story makes me thinking about all of the training that we're now giving kids in public schools about what to do when the mass murderer inevitably shows up at your school. it's now become kind of a built-in expectation in attending schools in this country, and it makes me wonder do we need a larger citizen training about what to do when someone says i think i'm going to go kill all the back people i can find at this supermarket in buffalo? >> well, to the extent that law enforcement officer, a retired law enforcement officer knew about this and other people knew about this, yes, we do need a training and just the kind of moral conscious that would dictate that people would immediately call law enforcement and warn against this sort of thing, but there's nothing -- we
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can't personal responsibility our way out of this issue. this is an issue for our leaders, for our legislators to -- to create legislation, to minimize the -- the access to guns, to keep schools safe and to reprioritize and develop a moral conscious that the most marginalized, most vulnerable people in our society, the most marginalized people of our society deserve to be protected, too. it's not on us. it's on our leaders. >> thank you both for joining us tonight in our special frmg could. really appreciate it. hope to have you back. coming up, how president biden marked this memorial day. that's next. resident biden marked this memorial day that's next.
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>> on this memorial day, president biden paid relief at arlington national cemetery, and the president said this. >> while i'm here, glory and honor. a quiet rosen arlington, and cemeteries in europe that i have visited. in graves across our country, in towns large and small, america's beloved daughters and sons, who dared all, risked all, and gave all, to preserve and defend an idea unlike any other in human history.
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the idea of the united states of america. >> the day, our son died. folks, and all those who have lost a loved one, for the service of our country, if your loved one is missing or unaccounted for, i know the ceremony has we opened that black hole in the center of your chest just pulls you in, suffocates you. i said, seven years ago today, our son took his last breath. a major in delaware army national guard, he insisted on deploying in his iraqi unit, for a year when he was attorney general. he came horror home, -- he didn't die in the line of duty. he came home from iraq with cancer. the most horrific cancer that
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stole him for us -- him from us. but still, i always feel the need on the memorial day. i see him, not as he was the last time i held his hand. but today, i think his bar is on him as a second lieutenant. i see him with me down at the delaware memorial bridge, arguing with all the families. it is like the spring back before your eyes, they are smile and they are laugh. the last conversation you had each of you know it. but hurt can be overwhelming. but for so many of you, as is with jill and amy, our hurt is wrapped a lot around the knowledge, that your loved one is part of something bigger, bigger than any of us. it shows a life of purpose.
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it sounds like a memorial day speech, from the bottom of my heart, they chose a life of purpose. they had a mission. and above all, they believed in deede. duty. they believed an honor. they believed in their country. we can never repay the sacrifice. but we will never stop trying. we will never fail in our duty to remember, when their lives, they bought our freedom. so with our lives, we must always live up to their example. >> president biden gets the last word for this hour of our special memorial day coverage. and encore presentation of the msnbc documentary film, love and the constitution, is next. e constitution, is next.
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