kharkiv. president biden is adding to the fuel to the fire with his decision to supply ukraine with weapons systems says moscow. declining to say what their response would be if the ukrainians fired into russian territory. >> they will not use these on targets in russian territory. there's a strong trust bond. >> in uvalde, texas, new frustration throughout the community after another discrepancy in the initial store friday law enforcement who incorrectly said a school door was propped open. we want to begin with ukraine and molly hunter and kristin

welker and michael crowley and barry mccaffrey. thanks for joining us. molly, let me start with you. we see russians make key advances, especially as they are being more concentrated in the eastern part of ukraine. they are hammering the area of severodonetsk. talk me through what you are hearing when it comes to the battlefield in ukraine. >> reporter: that's exactly right. they are hammering severodonetsk and all of the villages surrounding it. there's been a pocket, a horseshoe-like area, a-in-law fighting area, but that's where all of the russian aggression for the last week has been concentrated in the donbas. severodonetsk has the biggest city, the most strategic in lieu luhansk. this morning. we heard the front line cut the city in half. as of an hour ago, we heard from the head of the city military that told reuters, 60% of the

city is under russian control, the eastern part. 20% under ukrainian control and there's a portion of that city which is no man's land. evacuations are a no go. no aid in. no water, no power. there's 12,000 people who have decided to stay. those are older people, infirm people, people who could not easily evacuate. we did get an operational update from the army moments ago. they talked about the strategic villages around. because russia couldn't take severodonetsk in one swoop, they are taking village by village and taking that territory. the other big picture today is that big weapons shipment that's coming this way. the reaction from ukrainian officials is that it's not enough for the fight in the donbas. we heard from the defense minister a little while ago who really said, ukraine is going through a critical phase of the war. we have extremely bloody

battles. we lack enough heavy weaponry. >> let's talk through some of this. i want to talk about the capabilities of the ukrainian military as of today. a couple of weeks ago we were talking about how the russians were spread thin. they didn't have a mission in mind. now it seems as if they are more focused and they are more concentrated. how can the ukrainian military stand up to that type of force against the russian military as they become more focused in the eastern part of ukraine? >> with great difficulty. at the end of the day, the russians have a huge advantage in air-delivered fire power, largely cruise missiles fired from out at sea, off the russian navy, or from bombers well back over the russian federation. they got greater depth of artillery. 122 rockets, which i have been hit with, and they are horrendous, as well as self-propelled armored 152

millimeter artillery. they are pounding the ukrainian army into the dust with this stuff. they are fixing them in place. the notion that we will give them high mars rockets with a range of 43 miles is good. there's two kinds of munitions. they can move quickly. but they're not integrated yesterday with the digital fire control system that brings into account unmanned aerial vehicles and counter-battery radar. i'm concerned that there are too many sophisticated people having endless meetings in washington and talking about belligerence and political sensitivity. if the ukrainian military gets smashed, the country is gone. missile with a range of 190 miles should be provided to ukraine. they don't need it to pound targets in russia.

but it gives them more depth in the batbattlefield. we are too slow. we are dragging our feet. >> so if i'm hearing you right, general, you feel as if even providing these long-range missiles, it's not enough? they should provide more? >> absolutely. >> how worried are you the ukrainians could make a mistake and launch one of these into russian territory? how hard is it to train on one of these? >> well, you got a lot of stuff in that statement. i think probably from a u.s. responsible, it's good to tell them, don't target russians inside russia itself. on the other hand, can you imagine us telling poland, you are being pounded by russian artillery, don't fire across the frontier, only fight on your own territory? doesn't make much sense. again, having said that, ukraine is at a turning point here. they cannot afford to lose the

elite of their army in the east around donbas. they don't have enough maneuver capability. the russians outgun them in artillery. several statements coming out of the administration said we're going to provide them a few launchers. the poles are buying 500 launchers. we got a mismatch in capability. you can't do precise metrics of military violence. we have to give them a qualitative edge and let them fight and try to destroy the russians inside ukraine. >> the general knows war-time thinking better than any of us will ever know. how worried is the white house that there could be a mistaken and/or purposeful launch? >> it's a good question to ask. i would say first of all, the administration -- we heard this

from the secretary of state, said it made this decision to give the long-range missiles because they did get assurances from ukrainian officials that they would not be used to launch attacks into russia. that they would be used for defensive purposes inside ukraine. that was a key part of the calculation. look, this was a discussion and a debate that went on for some time behind the scenes here within the administration. i think that they did think through all of those possibilities. undoubtedly, there's a risk of that. i think thinking is that it's worth the risk. as you just heard from the general, look, there's a pressure for the administration to get more weapons to ukraine, to the front lines, more robust weapons and more quickly. don't forget, ukraine has asked for a number of other capabilities as well. we talked about this earlier. the no-fly zone the president has called a non-starter. the polish migs which the u.s.

said it would not strike a deal on to get those in ukraine. big picture here, the u.s. has given more military aid along with nato than any other country. but at the same time, ukraine is still asking for more, as you just heard in all of our reporting, it's not enough. i think the pressure is going to stay very tight on this white house to continue to ramp up as ukraine continues to defend itself. >> michael, the kremlin is not necessarily overreacting here. they are saying, the united states is adding fuel to the fire. what that means in the week, two weeks or three weeks from now is obviously completely different. vladimir putin seems to act erratically when it comes to this war inside ukraine. what are you expecting when it comes to response from vladimir putin on this? >> it's a good point. i would say one of the great surprises of this conflict has been how little vladimir putin has done to strike back against the west.

we are now in -- to a degree of arms supplies and commitment and support for ukraine that i think a lot of analysts would have predicted in february would have provoked vladimir putin to do something in response by now, whether that would be some kind of a major cyberattack against the west. evidently, our cyber defenses have proven good. maybe he wanted do that and never succeeded. there are a lot of ways to hit europe and the united states. i'm sure he could find a way. or militarily, maybe just striking supplies coming into ukraine or even striking across the border into nato territory. that would be very provocative. but i know a lot of analysts thought that was a potential option. i think it's a surprise that putin has not done more at this point. it may show that although he has been obviously incredibly aggressive toward ukraine, when

it comes to a direct confrontation for all the bluster of the russians and occasional threats to use 'nique nuclear weapons, he is a paper tiger. they have to hope it stays that way. one quick point. on the possibility of the ukraiians using this to strike into russia. it's unlikely. they are dependent on american support. the administration has been very clear that they don't want these long-range missiles used that way. i would be surprised if they bite the hand that feeds them and risk seeing supplies cut off. there's the possibility of an accident. but deliberate i think is a low probability. >> i want to pick up where michael just left off. this idea that the biden administration is calling putin's bluff. we have had this conversation over and over again. he continued to provide aid to ukraine and calling putin's bluff. putin said, the united states is adding fuel to the fire, who knows what's in the pipeline. i'm wondering if you feel as if

the united states needs to provide more aid, if there's a possibility they could change their mind when it comes to the no-fly zone, something the ukrainians have been asking for, or is that completely off the table? >> first of all, i think michael has it exactly right. the ukrainians are highly unlikely to try to provoke russia on their own territory. that's just not likely to happen. they also have currently attack helicopters and aircraft that could strike. largely, they haven't. turning to the other notion, can putin be provoked? he does not have the combat power to attack the west, nato. he created a strategic disaster. that's not going to happen. what is possible that he escalates with chemical weapons or unlikely but possible tactical nuclear weapons.

that's what everybody is concerned about. president biden rightfully so is being very cautious. we cannot dole out little bits. they need greater flexibility on the battlefield. i have been under 122 rocket fire and dug in like moles to try to stay alive. they're not going to be able to stand up to this if they don't have counter-battery fire from longer range precision munitions. >> thank you all. appreciate it. want to bring in new york democratic congressman greg meeks, just back from a trip, including a stop in moldova along the ukraine border. thanks for joining us. let's start with this first decision by the white house to provide long-range missiles. how confident are you that ukraine will stick to their guns on this?

their commitment to the united states and not fire these missiles into russian territory. >> i'm very confident. i've had an opportunity not too long ago, a few weeks ago, along with nancy pelosi, to go to ukraine and meet with president zelenskyy. i think that the spirit of cooperation and working together is important. he kind of outlined what he needed, those long-range missiles for, not to go into russian territory but to be able to fight back and defend their country from the long-range missiles that are starting to hit in their sovereign territory as well as hopefully to open up the black sea by odesa so we can get some of the food, the grain out. i feel confident that they will stick to what the commitment is. that's to defend themselves and not to shoot any rockets into russia itself. >> let me ask about you this

assessment that general mccaffrey made. that's the united states is not doing enough. he feels as if it seems this is a tipping point in this war, the ukrainians need as much fire power as possible and that the united states is kind of working on this slow dribble of help to the ukrainians. they need more. what do you make of that? do you think it's valid? >> we came with a short period of time, first $13 billion, then the president asked for 33 but congress gave him $40 billion, $5 million for humanitarian aid. when i was in poland, i went to the 82nd airborne division. i seen an operation getting things over to the ukrainians in a timely fashion as one can imagine, faster than any type of transfers i think that has happened in history. of course, there's always a need. when you see certain offensive

weapons coming in from the russian side, when you see the horrific and unprovoked attacks and deaths of ukrainians, you want to do more. there's a need for more. i think what the president has done by keeping our nato allies together, which is tremendously important, and having them also giving weapons on top of what we are giving, that's what has made ukraine to be in the fight some three months later when many didn't think they would be in the fight three days once it started. we are continuing to sanction. sanctions are revving up. that happened the other day also. i think this decision about giving long-range missiles to ukraine is the right decision to make. they will fight back. we have seen situations also where russians have taken

territory and soon ukrainians come back and take it back. they have the will to fight. we should stand by them and give them what they need. they will stand by us, i think, and live up to the commitments with the weapons we give them. >> the ukrainian president has essentially said they're not going to cede any territory. give them a finger, they're going to take a hand. he's no intention of doing so to end this war. it seems as if the opinions inside the country amongst ukrainians is they don't want their president to cede territory. secretary kissinger says that's what the ukrainians need to do to end the war. seeing the mobilization of russian troops in the eastern part of ukraine. do you think this can become a reality for ukrainians as they look towards diplomatic talks? >> clearly, i stand with president zelenskyy and the ukrainian people. that's their decision to make, not someone else's. i think we should continue to do what we're doing to give them and to supply them with what

they need to defend themselves. we have seen they have been able to do that fairly successfully. when i was over in moldova and you go to baltic states, many other countries are fearing that this does not -- where will russia stop? give them a piece of territory here, a piece of territory there, they continue. remember that initially, they were trying to go into kyiv and other places. ukrainians defeated them and stopped them. this is putin trying to find someplace elsewhere he might say he has a victory. but their army have been exposed as not as strong as individuals thought it would be or he thought it would be. he thought he would get into ukraine and take over the entire country in three to four days. that didn't happen. they were pushed back. that's why i think the president is making the right decision and giving them these long-range missiles so they can level the playing field with regard to

ammunition. the playing field is not level. russians, bigger army, et cetera. despite that, when they have the equivalent artillery, they are able to fight back and push back russia. i think that's the -- i'm with zelenskyy. >> you are with zelenskyy. congressman, thanks so much. appreciate it. the price we pay. the rising cost of everything. adding to woes in the white house as the midterms get closer. what can the administration really do to ease the economic pain? you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. we'll be right back. thanks, dad. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line.

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president expressed as challenges keep piling on top of one another. he said that everything landed on his desk but locust said president obama. jason, thanks for joining us. there is the idea of having to tackle inflation. what policies need to be put in place to slow the economy down. we will talk about that. but there's this idea of how to communicate that. how to communicate where we are and then how to communicate how we are going to move forward and combat inflation. his polling numbers are a reflection of the fact it seems as if the white house has not been successful in its communication of that. how would you approach this thing? >> i'm not a communication guru. if i were in the white house right now, what i would be

telling the communications guru is three things. number one, the best thing to communicate is an actually lower inflation rate. any policy that lowers inflation, that's going to help. number two, we are going to have this inflation with us for a while. it's better to overpromise -- i'm sorry, underpromise and overdeliver. it's painful for families. you have to empathize. you can't deny that fact. >> certainly don't do that. that he would be a bad move. we saw the president meet yesterday with the fed chair along with the treasury secretary. he outlined in this three-part plan, he emphasized the fed's responsibilities to control inflation. second, he stated the importance of lowering costs for americans. he said, they need to keep reducing the national deficit. how does this go from a photo op

or the op-eds in which we hear about the way they are communicating and figuring this out to actually moving the needle to lowering inflation? >> the president is right. the fed's primary responsibility is stable prices and maximum employment. they have basically gotten us there on employment. they need to get us there on inflation. it's good. he is giving them the space to do what they need to do. they need to make tough choices knowing he has their back. it's a lot better than in the past when they had presidents yelling at them. in terms of other things, it will require congress. congress could pass a slow the growth of prescription drug prices. that would help everyone. it would help with the deficit. it would help with inflation. that's something where congress needs to pass the law. the president can't just do that on his own. >> i want to play for you some

sound from secretary yellen on another network last night making a surprising admission. then i will have you react on the other side. >> look, i think i was wrong then about the path that inflation would take. >> what do you make of her saying this, jason? >> i think it's terrific. she was wrong. forecasters are always wrong. the economy is incredibly hard to know what's going to happen when. the important thing is to admit when you make those mistakes, learn from them. that is exactly what she's doing. a lot of people wouldn't have the courage and security to do that. but she's one of the world's leading economic policymakers. >> thank you. good to see you. appreciate it. moments ago, the president took part in a u.s. coast guard change of command ceremony.

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to the robb elementary campus, coming amid outrage over law enforcement's response to the shooting. the school police chief, the commander who chose to wait and not engage the gunman, is disputing reports he is not cooperating with investigators, telling cnn he has been in touch with officials by phone every single day. this is happening at families say good-bye to their loved ones. the parents of a 10-year-old laid to rest this weekend furious with the local police. >> i don't understand how police officers, they are sworn to protect and they are outside the room and just hearing gunshots, kids screaming.

go in there, save those kids. >> i want to talk about this with priscilla thompson and mark fullman. priscilla, you first. i want you to bring us up to date on the investigation and this discrepancy that we are hearing between what dps was saying that he had not reached out and now he said he has been talking to them every day. >> reporter: the latest in what feels like a slew of contradictory information where the texas dealt of public safety is saying they reached out requesting he do an interview and they have not heard from him in days, responding to whether or not he will do that interview. the chief this morning saying that he has been in touch with the department of public safety every day. he said also that eventually, there will be answers to those

questions, those unanswered questions specifically about why it took so long to get into that classroom and what his role in all of this was as the commanding officer. he says that now is the time to focus on families who are burying their children this week and into next week over the next two weeks. you mentioned many of those services taking place today. the funeral for the garcias today. she is one of the teachers killed. her husband dying within days. their four children attending that service and grieving that loss. in a short while, the funeral for jose flores, a 10-year-old shot last week, will get underway. i want to talk about what is happening at these memorials that have been set up in various places around town. i will say here, something we have seen over the last hour, customs and border patrol

actually came. some of their honor guard. played a trumpet at this memorial. church groups have been out here praying with people. there's a table set up with stuffed animals for the children who are out here. there's face painting set up. you can probably hear some music that is playing. folks are playing music. it's a little out of our camera's view. i would love to show you. that's just a sentiment. you feel the sense of grief and loss, but also the sense of community here which is really what folks are going to need, i think, to move forward from this devastating tragedy. >> the community really coming together there on the ground as i observed as well. mark, i want to talk about some of the work that you have been doing. asking that incredibly important question, which is how to stop this from happening again. you have studied these mass shootings for years. you say there are signs that can

be used to prevent the next one. what are they? >> yeah. i want to acknowledge a lot of the focus is on that catastrophic response and the investigation into that. that's very important. it underscores also that these security measures and target hardening and police doesn't prevent this. there's more we can do to prevent it. there are often in these cases a long history of warning signs, behaviors and circumstances leading up to these attacks where you have an individual who is beginning to deteriorate personally, having lots of problems, expressing rage, despair. there's often signs of suicidality. threatening communication to people around them on social media. we have seen that come out about this case in uvalde. this kind of activity marks every single one of these mass shootings. we have a myth about this that continually gets repeated by politicians and in the media

that these are crazy, insane monsters who just snap as if this is an impulsive act. it's not. these crimes are planned over a period of time. they feature an escalating behavioral process leading up to them. by doing more to raise awareness of those warning signs, we can do more in our communities to prevent it. people can get in the way of this, intervene and help people who are often in deep crisis long before they develop a plan to commit a horrific attack like this. >> what does that look like, mark, the reality of reporting something like that? who is that incumbent upon? who does that responsibility fall upon? he reached out to his sister. asked to buy him a firearm. she did not report that. she did not buy that firearm. he said things on social media, on instagram he was going to do things. the shooter in buffalo as well. we knew about the manifesto, his behavioral issues, his mental health issues leading up to that mass shooting in buffalo, the

signs were there. who does the responsibility fall on? who is it incumbent upon to report these things? >> in a basic sense, it's on everyone. this is community-based violence prevention, using threat assessment. that's the focus of my book. you have teams of people in local communities who are trained in this. this is going on in a lot of communities throughout america now. there are a handful of states that don't require this. as i understand it, the uvalde school system had a threat assessment mandate in its security protocols. there's really important questions there as to what was this individual's history in the school system, what the school may or may not have known. you have this infrastructure built into communities. you have administrators and school counselors or psychologists, school resource officers who participate. it's a matter of having this training in place to recognize

behavioral warning signs and having people who can address specific cases of concern. this was an individual who was raising a lot of concerns over time. when that information becomes more available and is shared more effectively, they can intervene to reach out to the person to get them counseling help, even more intensive treatment if necessary to work with educational support or other social services. there's a lot that can be done through this. >> a lot that can be done and what should be done. thank you. as 10-year-old amerie garza was laid to rest yesterday, the girl scouts awarded her the bronze cross, an honor given to girl scouts to try to save others. the ceo wrote in part --

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welcome back. the supreme court is blocking a texas law that would have restricted what social media sites can police on their own platforms. under the law, social media sites would not be allowed to block any content based on their own viewpoints. tech companies arguing that means they would have to keep up everything from isis and russian propaganda to posts encouraging kids to engage in risky behavior. barbara, it's great to see you. you got supporters saying it was an attempt to stop what they call silicon valley censorship. how important is it for these companies to have that power to restrict what appears on their sites?

>> the way social media platforms are set up today, they are just content platforms. they are not there to tell people what to think. they also have terms of service. they have community standards. it's sort of like your home. if someone comes into your home and says things you don't like, you have the ability to ask them to leave. the same way, the social media platforms have terms of service and if people engage in disinformation or bullying or election propaganda, they can kick them out. >> i want to talk about the status of this. you have a similar law in florida. you have this texas law on hold as well, effectively. what are the chances for these things going forward? >> it seems this light of the opinion by the supreme court, it was a temporary block. it seems that based on the reasoning, it does signal a hostility to these laws.

i think it's unlikely that we are going to see them come to pass, which i think is a good thing for those of us that care about internet safety. longer term i think we need to think seriously as a country about how we treat social media platforms. they are used and abused by a lot of people. we rely on the tech companies to be the ones to provide that content moderation. it would require amending a congressional act that currently gives them immunity from lawsuits at the federal level. >> there is an interesting standout when it came to who dissents in the opinion. >> justice kagan was a surprise. there was no reason given. it might signal not a decision on what she thinks of the merits but what she thinks about the court's so-called shadow docket. what we are seeing are unsigned

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unless you happen to be a dog. so, the outreach to uvalde residents from across texas has been so important for this community, including from an artist, donating custom caskets for the victims. trey gannon, owner of soulshine industries. thank you for joining us on this and all the work you've been doing to help these families. i know you've been speaking with some of these families. i'm sure those conversations are incredibly difficult. what have they been like? >> speaking with these families, and hearing what their child loved is very emotional, you know, but it also brings, you

know, some stuff that people don't understand. so when they families start talking about their loved ones, they bring up specific things, the quirks they had, you know, and they kind of get excited and it's not something that you would even think about getting excited about, but they're doing the best thing they can for their child, whether it is a superhero theme or, you know, like we're doing with the dinosaurs. it's a special moment. this is the last thing that family will do for their child. >> what do you listen for? i remember when i was speaking with xavier's family, his older brother told me how much he loved to dance. that same kind of sentiment, he smiled, laughing, remembering how his brother loved to dance. what do you listen for? >> i listen for exactly that. when we sit in the living room, talk to the families, you know, they'll be talking about certain things, but all of a sudden

certainly things will really -- their voice changes, their face changes, their mood changes. that's what this is supposed to do, you know. when you walk into the funeral home, you're not looking at just a plain casket. you're starting to look at stuff, remembering the good things, you know, the fun this person has had, the impact they've had on other people while they were here. >> this must be especially hard, trey. this isn't the first time you've had to do this or that you have done this, made these types of donations, for babies, for kids who have been killed so tragically. >> it never gets easier. you know, this has been something that i've wanted to do a long time and -- i'm sure you can see my eyes, the passion and stuff that comes out, but the emotions that come out of me. i cry with the families and, i cry when we're working on stuff,

but then i'm also excited when i see the finished product, you know, the joy, the little hope, we want to be that, and that's why i call my business soulshine. that's what we're doing, letting these little souls shine. >> how important is it for you to provide these families. they usually cost money, it's certainly an important donation on behalf of you and your company. how important is it to do this? >> to me, you know, i just step out on faith and said we're going to do this. not only is it a big financial burden for the family, but this is the hardest thing. i couldn't imagine these families just walking in, you know -- sorry, this phone is acting funny. you know, when families walk in there just to pick out a plain

box, it's very sad, and really, to them, that's the final thing that they're going to see, so being able to represent these children, it means everything to me. you know, that's why i do this. it's heartbreaking to know these families are going through this, but we try to make it easier. >> i can tell your heart in all of this and in this mission. if you could say anything to the folks watching about the number of times you've had to do something like this, provide these specialized caskets for these families and for young children, what would you say? >> it's the hardest thing i have to do. you know, i have kids. my heart goes out to them, but if you've ever been to a service with one of my caskets, you'll understand and feel the passion and purpose of why we do this.

it's not about just painting a casket. it's so much more. we become part of the families, the love we share from here on out is going to be, you know, it's permanent, and it's -- you know, for me it's why i'm here. it's my purpose in life. >> i know you're pretty busy right now, trey, but we thank you for taking the time, and i thank you for the work you're doing for the families. >> yes, thank you for having me. >> thanks. that does it for this edition. andrea will be back tomorrow. remember to follow us online. nline. count to split across the top five stocks in the s&p 500®. you can also unlock short videos, step-by-step guides, and other easy-to-use tools

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