you're looking at live pictures from london. celebrations under way for the platinum jubilee of queen elizabeth ii, celebrating 70 years on the throne. queen elizabeth is the longest serving monarch in history. the four-day celebration kicking off here. you're watching trooping the color, a military parade in honor of the 96-year-old queen's official birthday. in recent years, her majesty the queen traveled by horse-drawn carriage from buckingham palace, down to horse guard's parade. the queen didn't make the journey this year. instead, senior members of the royal family you saw moments ago, including prince charles and prince william, attending in her absence. the duchess of cambridge, kate middleton. george, charlotte, and louis already arrived, their children. welcome to "morning joe." it is thursday, june 2nd. we have the host of "way too early" jonathan lemire.

and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. live from london, nbc news foreign correspondent meagan fitzgerald. broadcaster and author, suzanne lipscomb. also with us, associate editor of the "washington post," eugene, once the london bureau chief. to put into context, the seven decades of queen elizabeth. we expect to see her twice throughout the course of the day today. though she stepped back a bit on what she'd normally be doing on an occasion like this. let's go to london where meagan fitzgerald has the latest for us. set the scene on what we can expect today. >> reporter: willie, i can tell you that this entire city and the country is just exploding with excitement and an sis anticipation of the next four days. right now is trooping the color.

this, of course, the traditional event here, celebrating her majesty the queen. as you mentioned, we would typically see her in horse-drawn carriage, but that's not expected today. of course, senior members of the royal family will be in attendance. according to the palace, we are expecting to see her majesty on the balcony of buckingham palace today, along with active members of the royal family. then, of course, after this event that's taking place, in a couple of hours, we will see the royal family on the balcony for the royal air force fly pass. later on today, of course, we're expecting thousands of lanterns to be lit across the country in celebration. now, right now, we know about 1 million people who have come from all over the world to see this event, hoping to get a glimpse of the queen, are lined up. we talked to people who are camped out. this is a significant event. obviously, you know, people

realize that the queen is 96 years old. they're hoping that she has many more years to go, but we've talked to people who said it was important for them to be here today to witness this historic event. they are just excited to be here and to celebrate over the next four days, willie. >> you can understand why. this is a -- 96 years old, queen elizabeth. suzanne lipscomb, when you think of her 70 years and all she's seen, from receiving word when she was traveling abroad in kenya in 1952 that her father had died and she would, at that young age of 25, become the queen of england, the scope of history under her reign really is astonishing. >> it certainly is. i mean, she's presided over a period of extraordinary change, . in terms of this country, we've seen great changes in society,

advances in technology and science, and we've seen an attitude change. she has been an anchor in this sea of change. and the approach of the public to the royal family has varied over those years. in the 1960s, they seemed stuffy and outdated. 1970s, a bit more successful. but in the '80s, attitudes from the press became a bit more abrasive. then we had the ghastly year of 1992 and, of course, the tragedy of the death of diana, princess of wales. it's only been the last 20 years they've kind of bounced back. even in that time, we've had some challenges that have taken place in terms of how they're seen publicly. yet, today, we have this day where we celebrate her coronation, which happened 69 years ago today, and her 70 years on the throne, in this grand act of ceremony. this is a military ceremony. we see this every year but, of course, haven't seen it a couple

years because of covid-19. and it is the grandest ceremony that's happened since the death of the duke of edinburgh. it is a moment to reflect become on her 70 years. >> you mentioned sort of the irrelevance that's emerged in recent decades for the monarchy itself, and perhaps even for this queen, though she is beloved in the uk. what is the feeling? what is the view not just of queen elizabeth but of the monarchy right now, particularly among young people who may be examining the legacy and history of colonialism and other aspects of the monarchy? how are people in the uk feeling these days about the monarchy? >> it's an interesting question because it is a complex answer. so clearly today, wishing that outpour being of celebration and, in some ways, because people love a good day out. when i was arriving in london today, i saw families with, you

know, children and just a sense a-- a sense of wanting to see the royal family. at social media, you have a vibe that's more negative. i feel prince charles now may be in a better position than he has been the last 25 years. his interest in things like sustainable agriculture and climate change and deforestation, you know, they're seen as current concerns. he is a kind of prophet in that way. he has a moment to shine, i think. but the copy book is continually being blotted by members of the royal family. i think there is a sense that perhaps it's time to change how we see it when this era comes to an end perhaps. >> tim, you were -- as suzanne mentioned prince charles, he will take a significant role

here in just a few moments at horse guard's parade at trooping the color, taking the salute here, a role normally filled by queen elizabeth. how significant a moment is this for prince charles, the heir to the throne? >> well, it is another big moment for him. he replaced the queen at the state open in parliament last month, which was seen by quite a lot of people as heralding a change, a new era beginning. i mean, we are seeing the queen. we are going to see her on the balcony today. we're going to see her at the beacon ceremony this evening. but her public appearances are really, they are dwindling. i mean, the last overseas tour she did was in 2015 to malta. she hasn't traveled since then. prince charles is becoming more and more prominent, and there is a feeling it -- it'd be wrong to

say there is a feeling a transition is starting to take place. the queen is still going to be the queen, obviously, but prince charles will adopt a more prominent role. when we talk about the queen's age, she's 96, her mother lived to be 101. among those being honored in the queen's birthday honors today is a woman of 104. so this queen may still have more occasions like this to come. >> she is tough, and she is resilient. there is certainly no question about that. mike barnicle, we were talking with suzanne a minute ago about the scope of history this queen has seen. before a queen, a teenager who trained to be a truck mechanic in world war ii, whose mother insisted her young family stay in the uk despite the blitz, despite everything happening in london at that time. now, here she is in the year 2022, still the queen of

england. >> imagine that. imagine everything she's seen and participated in culturally, politically, globally. we have nothing like this in the united states of america. i'm sure there are people out there watching this here in the united states who think, whoa, that's quite something, what i'm watching here. but what it is is the survival of institutions that are important to a specific country, great britain. we don't have that here. we have institutions, but they're in damage mode now. they seem not to be in great britain. queen elizabeth, i think, is responsible for the strength of the institution that is have survived and prospered. this is a marvelous ceremony. you can see, and in talking to our experts over there, you can understand that it has, in a sense, brought an entire country together for this one specific day. can you think of a time, jonathan, in our lives, today in this country, where we can bring the entire country together to

celebrate a moment? >> no. even, of course, the inauguration of a new president is inherently a political thing. there's so much of the country that wouldn't have voted for that new leader. this comes at a moment also when a nation, the united kingdom hit hard by the covid-19 pandemic. this is seen as a moment of celebration, of trying to turn the page. pandemic not over, of course, but in a new phase here. i think we have -- it is a four-day weekend, and people want to be out and celebrate something that is important to so many of those who do live there in england. of course, the royal family has become, you know, beyond this tradition in the united kingdom, they've become pop culture figures, as well. princess diana was one of the most famous people in the world when she tragically died. meghan and harry, of course, have been the topic of much conversation in recent years. they now live in the united states, at least most of the time. what sort of role do they expect to play here? what should we expect to see from them over these next four

days? >> this is an interesting question. we know they've arrived. we know the queen has given them some protection. she sent a car to get them from the airport. and we know they're not appearing on the balcony. but there will be spectators for the trooping the color today. how much we will see them, we are not sure. i think that it actually might be something that takes the queen away from our view, as well. of course, it is the first birthday of their daughter lilibet this saturday. there will be a party, and it's rumored the queen will go to that instead of the derby. how much they'll appear in public is unclear. they are known for making unscripted appearances, and it is possible they will do that. they're not part of the working royal family, and so they may not be appearing on occasions where we see that working royal family on the balcony. but let's keep our eyes open and see what they do do.

>> meagan fitzgerald, that moment on the balcony has become the iconic one at these royal celebrations, and it will be again today. as said, notable who won't be on the balcony, harry and meghan and prince andrew, as well. >> reporter: we are hearing reports that it is possible the queen will step away to meet her namesake, and that is a moment we will all be looking forward to seeing. we are hoping we'll receive some sort of images from there. you know, i want to also go back to the fact that there are people coming from the united states and, of course, around the world to be here for this historic moment. as you mentioned, this isn't something we experience in the united states. you know, many commentators say that the queen is very aware of just how significant these next four days are to the history of

the monarch. aware of the fact that there is some decline in the relevance of the royal family. you know, these next four days are to remind this country of unity, of course, but also the great tradition that exists here in the united kingdom that, obviously, we're seeing now on display in the sense of pride. that's certainly not missed on the people that we've been speaking to here, who are feeling that this is a renewed sense of pride. coming out of the tough last several years of covid and being together, you know, over the course of the next four days. there will be jubilee luncheons on sunday, specifically. there's parties across the country where people are getting together with neighbors to celebrate this historic moment that's happening here. so this is a time of happiness, to be quite honest. people that are excited to be here and are looking forward to

obviously seeing the queen. then, of course, there are some hoping they'll get a glimpse of lilibet, prince harry, as well as meghan markle. as already mentioned, it is unpredictable. we don't know exactly where and when they're going to be on display for us to see. but all eyes will be watching, willie, for sure. >> eugene robinson, as we mentioned, you were the london bureau chief for the "washington post" for a time in america in london. you covered this queen. you covered this monarchy. i'm struck looking back at the dates, that when she ascended the throne in february of 1952, harry truman was president of the united states. she goes back that far in her reign and met 14 of the last u.s. presidents. only lbj she didn't meet since taking the throne. >> that is right. she has had, i believe, 14 prime ministers who have served under

her. she is the head of state, of course, and they are heads of government and who had their regular aud yeiences with her a reied on her counsel, many of them, as a rather shrewd observer. not just of ceremony but of politics and of the country. but i really -- this really has the feel today, and it is a massive celebration for extraordinary reign, but it has the feel of at least the beginning of the end, not of an era but of an age. the second elizabethian age. it is impossible for me to think of the -- of anyone not matching her record of service, but even coming anywhere close. it is impossible for me to

imagine the next generation, prince charles or the succeeding generations occupying the same position that she occupies in the life of britain and the commonwealth. and it is -- i think the monarchy will change. it has been changing. i think views of the monarchy have been changing. while we will not see that much change reflected in this platinum jubilee, it's there under the surface. i think it will -- i don't think we will see her likes again ever in britain. she was -- i was there london almost 30 years ago, during some of the worst moments of her

reign. prince charles' marriage was falling apart. there was scandal after scandal. then that entire awful period that culminated in the death of princess diana. and a moment in which the monarchy's future seemed to hang in the balance because of queen elizabeth's initial rather cold reaction to that death. then, of course, she recovered. she has a unique standing with her nation and is already a figure of history. but i cannot imagine any successor occupying that same position, fulfilling that same role in the, frankly, almost

flawless, consistent, and in a funny way, extremely selfless way that she has done it for 70 years. it's an extraordinary era or age of accomplishment for her, but i think she's the last of her kind. >> again, we expect to see queen elizabeth twice today, both times on the famed balcony of buckingham palace, for a flyover and then to be photographed and to visit with the crowd as part of the royal family. prince harry and meghan will not be there. prince andrew, as well, for that moment. but in many ways, as gene mentioned, the changing of the guard, unofficially, we'll begin to see it as prince charles receives the salute at this trooping the color. we will continue to cover this story throughout the morning, especially when we do see the queen about an hour from now. nbc's meagan fitzgerald, we'll be back to you. royal commentator tim ewart.

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at least four people are dead and self-others injured after a gunman armed with a rifle and a handgun opened fire yesterday inside a hospital in

tulsa, oklahoma. the gunman, who has not yet been identified, apparently also died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. according to tulsa's chief of police, officers arrived at st. francis hospital at 4:56 p.m., minutes of reports of gunfire first were called in. officers heard shots and made their way to the second floor of the hospital where they found the gunman and the victims. at a news conference, tulsa's deputy police chief praised the quick response of his officers. >> there was a 3-minute response, so i don't know how long the call took to come in. it appears as though the whole thing was a 4-minute or so time span, from the time it came in until the time officers made contact, 4 to 5 minutes. the response, i cannot overstate how proud i am of the area response to this incident. >> four to five minutes. joining us from tulsa, nbc news

correspondent blayne alexander. what more can you tell us this morning about the victims and also about what exactly happened inside that hospital behind you yesterday? >> reporter: well, willie, good morning to you. we are awaiting a news conference from officials later this morning to try to get a clearer picture of exactly what happened. the biggest question officials still have, that they haven't released publicly, is what exactly caused him to walk into this building and open fire. we're learning a little more about this building. it happened here behind me. this is actually a medical building that's here on the st. francis hospital campus. the second floor is an orthopedic clinic. we don't know if he was specifically targeting that clinic. officials tell nbc news this was not a random shooting. he went in there, he was targeted, and he had something specific he was looking for. officials didn't elaborate beyond that. again, we don't know if that orthopedic clinic was actually the target, but we do know that was an office that was on the second floor there. now, the details right now about the shooter are very vague.

he was a man between 25 and 40 years old. he was armed with a rifle and a handgun. when officers came in -- quickly, we should talk about the quick officer response. the first calls came in around 4:52. they were on scene in less than five minutes, and they say just about five minutes after that, the entire thing was over. officers say as they approached, they found the man, the shooter who was dead of an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound, according to officers. now, this is the scene in tulsa. 50 miles away or so, officials were also searching a house they say belonged to the shooter. they believe there was a possible bomb there. they were ordering neighbors to shelter in place. that was another scene officials were looking into. another thing we're trying to learn more about is who were the four victims? according to officials, they were some combination of possible patients. at least a couple of them actually were employees of this

medical center here. we're hoping to find out more about them this morning, as well. willie. >> patients and employees dead. as you say, the news briefing should shed some more light on what exactly happened yesterday. blayne alexander in tulsa, oklahoma, thanks so much. the gun violence archive reports this was the 233rd mass shooting in the united states this year, june the 2nd. a source tells nbc news senate negotiators have reached a framework at least for gun safety legislation. a bipartisan group of nine senators, five democrats, four republicans, met virtually yesterday and emerged from the talks expressing some optimism a deal could be reached. democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut, who was leading the negotiations, said, quote, there is growing momentum to get something done, and we agreed on a plan to keep working. republican susan collins of maine said, quote, we are making rapid progress toward a common sense package that could garner support from both republicans and from democrats.

and democrat richard blumenthal of connecticut said the conversation was, quote, productive and encouraging. adding, there is still significant work to do and hurdles to overcome. senator blumenthal and lindsey graham are part of a subgroup working to address red flag laws. another group working on mental health services and boosting school security. a third is focusing on expanding background checks. when speaking of gun legislation yesterday, minority leader mitch mcconnell, again, kept the conversation away from the guns themselves. >> we have a second amendment to the constitution. we take it seriously. there is a right to keep and bear arms in this country. so what i've done is encourage some bipartisan discussions that are going on. in fact, i just got a call with one of the members of it. to see if we could find a way forward, consistent with the

second amendment, that targets the problem. it seems to me there are two broad categories that underscore the problem. mental illness and school safety. >> that's the second time in a couple days, jonathan, we've heard very specific messaging from mitch mcconnell. school safety and mental illness, but with no mention of guns. >> yeah, and he got blowback for his comments a few days ago. unphased clearly, as he is more specific, school safety and mental health, nothing about firearms. we don't have much in the way of specifics yet, as there is not much. there is a sense in the room, or in the zoom, that people want to get something done. we'll have senator murphy on the show in a few minutes, and hopefully he can elaborate. gene robinson, what is your sense of what is possible here? senator cornyn, who is an ally, a participant in these groups, his presence initially was seen,

well, maybe that's a sign the republicans want to do something. yesterday, he responded to a tweet in which someone said cornyn was open to restrictions on firearms and he basically said, no, that's not the case. that seems to be pouring more water on something meaningful. what do you think does come out of this, and if it's nothing about firearms, as important as mental health might be, how disappointed are many americans going to be? >> i think many americans will be painfully, brutally disappointed, and i'll be one of them. because they're not talking about guns. you know, it's fine to talk about mental health, and it would be great if we could solve all mental health problems in this country. i'm not aware of any country that's been able to do that. i'm not aware of any way to do that. there are mental health issues everywhere in the world. you know, we can talk about

school safety, but doors and locks on doors are not the problem. doors and locks on doors did not kill those 19 fourth graders in uvalde. doors did not kill the people in that tulsa hospital. doors did not shoot ten people in charleston, south carolina, the other night. in a mass shooting. you know, 233 so far this year, what is the common element? the common element is guns. and they are not willing to even talk about background checks, something americans overwhelmingly support. that is just common sense. if they're not willing to talk

about raising -- at least raising the age to purchase an assault weapon, you know, these are things that absolutely would be permissible under the heller decision, written by antonin scalia, who made very clear that the second amendment is not absolute. contrary to what mitch mcconnell implicated in that clip, what he implied in that clip. it is not absolute, and there can be restrictions. there are restrictions already. you can't own a machine gun. there can be other reasonable restrictions on guns and the ability to purchase them, on high-capacity magazines, on all these common elements that we see that unquestionably are adding to this death toll that

is simply unacceptable. yet, they're not talking about that. so i think there will be a lot of disappointment. i understand senator murphy, and i understand the imperative of doing something however incremental. but let's be honest, it looks like it will be extremely incremental, and it is unclear to me whether it'll have any impact because it is not dealing with the issue, which is guns. >> mike, as gene says, all the things he ticked off have overwhelming support of the public. we've showed the polls for the last few days. universal background checks, 80% to 90% support depending on which poll you look at. if mitch mcconnell and others want to focus on school safety as the central issue, look at tulsa yesterday. we should focus on hospital safety, movie theater safety, church and synagogue and mosque safety, all the places where we've seen this gun violence, if they believe that's the issue. >> any place, any time, any

where, that's where the mass shootings occur. you've reported accurately, there's been 233 mass shootings in this country since the start of the year. that's about 40 a month, about 10 a week in the united states of america. the issue is certainly is weaponry, rifles, assault rifles, and guns themselves. nobody is coming to get anybody's gun. the larger issue is the cowardice of at least half the united states senate, who sit there and do nothing. do nothing in the face of this assault on civilization. this war against average people. and it is a war against average people. you never know what's going to happen when you walk into a grocery store, a synagogue, a church, a gymnasium, a ballpark. it could happen anywhere, anytime, and we have senators sitting on their hands while handguns flourish in america.

>> forget banning semiautomatic ar style rifles. they won't even entertain raising the age to 21. these two 18-year-olds in the last incidents we've seen. as we mentioned, senator murphy of connecticut who is leading the senate negotiations, this conversation about potential gun legislation, will be our guest in just a few moments to update us on those talks. also ahead, another flight packed with formula is headed to the united states, but it's just a drop in the bucket in terms of what is needed by families right now. the latest timeline for when supply could get back to normal, and why president biden didn't know more about the crisis sooner. plus, a dire warning from the leader of america's largest bank. why he says the country needs to brace for what he calls an economic hurricane. and we'll have continuing coverage of the queen's jubilee. she marks 70 years on the british throne. we will see her a couple of times this morning, but we'll bring it all to you live when "morning joe" comes right back.

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that chain was formerly one of the largest for-profit education companies before it collapsed in 2015 following an investigation for predatory and unlawful practices. that cancellation of debt is the largest student loan forgiveness action ever made by the department of education. now, we have the latest on that desperate search for baby formula by families across the country, with president biden announcing new overseas shipments now are on the way. but for the first time, the president acknowledged he did not become aware of the depth of the problem until well after it began. nbc news business and tech correspondent jo ling kent has the details. >> reporter: president biden acknowledging he did not know about the formula crisis for two months following the closure of the critical abbott manufacturing plant in michigan. >> i became aware of this problem sometime in early april, about how intense it was. >> reporter: moments earlier in his meeting with top

manufacturers -- >> we knew from the very beginning this would be a serious event. >> we could foresee this is going to create a tremendous shortage. >> didn't they tell you they understood it would have a very big impact? >> they did, but i didn't. >> reporter: fda officials were alerted to potential problems at the plant in october, when an abbott whistleblower sent fda officials this 34-page document, alleging that lax practices, including regulatory violations, were consistently of looked. the fda did not send a team to investigate until january 31st. abbott shut down the plant on february 15th and issued a voluntary recall two days later. that same day, the fda put out a warning to parents. now, president biden says he didn't become aware until april. but the president not publicly commenting on the crisis until may 13th, when he faced bipartisan criticism for a slow response. >> there's nothing more urgent. >> reporter: the white house press secretary saying administration officials were

working on the problem for weeks before the president says he was briefed. >> we did everything that we can from the moment that we learned about the recall. i would have to talk to him about the april date. >> reporter: in that meeting with major manufacturers, abbott was noticeably absent. a senior administration official telling nbc news the company at the center of this crisis was not invited. abbott is currently cooperating with the fda to reopen its shuttered plant in sturgis, michigan, set for this weekend. this comes after president biden announced new emergency formula flights from the united kingdom and australia, expected to hit shelves later this month. and it can't come soon enough for moms like celeste in northern california. she's driven up to oregon to find the formula she needs for her 10-month-old baby boy. >> the bottom line is we can't do this. there should be formula on the shelves in the store. >> jo ling kent reporting for us there. john, this timeline doesn't make

sense. so the whistleblower report comes out in october. we know there is a problem at abbott. investigators go in late january. they shut down the plant in february. all these executives that he met with said, yeah, we knew something was coming down the pike pipeline, and they don't tell the president two months later. how does that work? >> they reiterated yesterday, saying they were aware of shortfalls coming. they said that there was communication to some in the white house. president biden said that yesterday. it didn't reach his desk, which is not great for a president who is, at this point, risking looking out of the loop, or at the least, the administration was very slow to respond. soon after, consumers noticed there was less formula on the shelves, and then a huge shortage now. as much as -- the problem, mike, with going back and saying what went wrong, it is also more importantly to parents about fixing it now. the administration is saying, yes, they had another shipment come in from overseas.

that helps, but it is a drop in the bucket. it is still going to be weeks if not at a month or more before they're back to full capacity. >> this is the united states of america, and we're flying baby formula in from overseas? i mean, come on. listen, the timeline on this, as pointed out in that piece, began last fall. the first warnings went up last fall, then there was a critical point in time in february, according to the reporting we just saw. how does this not get to the president of the united states? how does the fda not raise the flag as early as january or february? say, hey, we have something to watch out for here. there are a few component parts of life more important than all of the things that are damaging the average life every day of people. gas prices, grocery prices, and for a lot of younger couples, infant formula. and the idea that you're going to go into a store and see empty shelves, not being able to buyin

buy infant formula, wow. >> we talk about war and peace, foundations of democracy, but at the end of the day, for the american living their life, it is grocery and gas. if you don't see baby formula on the shelf, you want to know why and who is responsible for it. >> this is not the first time the administration was slow to supply chain issues. they downplayed this issue last summer and fall when it was first coming because of the pandemic. not problems of their own making, but problems they have to deal with. to your point, willie, it is exactly right. we're talking about what is happening in russia, what's happening with the war on ukraine, the january 6th committee hearings coming, but the number one thing that americans are going to cast their ballots on this november are issues like these. it is rising prices and the ability to feed their family. in this case, if they can't get formula, we're hearing stories of young mothers driving 4, 5 hours at a time, desperate searches to find this formula to feed their kids. this is scary stuff. even if the white house is not to blame, they and democrats stand likely to be punished by voters this fall.

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11:51, just before noon in london, and that's where we find our friend. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay outside

buckingham palace. good morning. it is great to see you. set the scene a little bit for our viewers waking up this morning, what we might expect to see. we know we'll see queen elizabeth on this, the 70th anniversary of her ascension to the throne. what should we expect to see when she steps out onto the balcony a couple times, and what is the feeling on the ground there? >> yeah, good morning, willie. somebody had to get the hard job, right? i'm sorry, this is my office view today. i couldn't be better positioned. >> tough. >> what we've seen so far is the trooping of the color. this is a ceremony that goes back 250 years. on the queen'sregiments of the has its troop. this is a mile from where i am. we'll see the royal family, the procession of the horses, the pomp and pageantry the brits do so well, it'll come to

buckingham palace. in an hour or so, on the balcony behind me, the famous balcony, we are expecting her majesty the queen to appear with what are known as the working members of the royal family. this was a kind of clever, diplomatic fudge the royal family has done to exclude some of the more, how should we put it, problematic members of the royal family from appearing on this 70th platinum jubilee for her majesty. so there won't be harry and meghan on the balcony. prince andrew will not be on that balcony. it'll be the senior members of the royal family. we are expecting her majesty the queen to appear, as well. she is 96 years old. she is frail. there had been questions about how much we would see her during the platinum jubilee celebrations. we are expecting to see her a couple times on the balcony, once for a flyover, as well, that will take place, greeting the people and the troops. tonight, she will kick off the lighting of a string of beacons

across the nation from windsor castle. we'll see her, which is good news, because she's been frail recently. >> katty, can you explain to our audience here in the united states the combination of magic and myth that so involves the entire population of great britain? we have, of course, the fourth of july, but nothing compares and contrasts with what we're watching here today. one nation becomes totally united in glee, i would imagine, over what is going on, the 70th anniversary of the queen's coronation. >> yeah, i mean, look, are there some people in this country who are not monarchists? yes, mike. polls have it about the quarter of the population are not super in favor of the monarchy. are they republicans? possibly. this weekend is a celebration of one person, and it is a celebration of 70 years of queen elizabeth, frankly, doing her duty and doing it really well.

there is nobody like her. by virtue of longevity, she's lived through all my lifetime and much more. all of the major events of the second half of the last century. all the major events at the beginning of this century. she's not changed. the world has changed dramatically, hasn't it? we've had austerity of the 1950s when she came to the throne. we've had the swinging '60s and the beatles and the rolling stones in the era of women's liberation. we've had the end of the cold war. we've had 14 different presidents during her majesty's reign. all the change. we've had the internet, emails, social media. who hasn't changed? queen elizabeth. she has stayed the same, and her commitment to this country, her commitment to duty and commitment to the monarchy, her ability to keep her own desires in check in order to uphold the monarchy, uplift the british population. i think that's what is being celebrated today. this is a really big, massive

thank you from the british population to queen elizabeth. >> she's been stepping out onto the century. we'll see her do it again twice today. katty kay, thank you. we expect to see the queen within the next 30 minutes or so. turning back to more serious matters here at home, we reported earlier a source telling nbc news that senate negotiators have reached a framework for gun safety legislation. the talks are being led by democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut who joins us now. senator murphy, thanks so much for your time this morning. so we're hearing about this framework, is the term that's being used. can you put a little more flesh on those bones? what all is on the table right now? >> i really can't. i think we have work to do today, tomorrow, and through the weekend. the good news is that there are more republicans engaged in these conversations about trying to put an end to these mass shootings, the school shootings, than ever before. between the meetings we had

yesterday and on tuesday, we had about 6 to 8 republicans engaged back in 2013 after sandy hook. there was one republican that was engaged in discussions. you know, our hope is that we're going to be able to produce something for our colleagues next week. you know, we're talking about a bill that will make a difference. it'll save lives. it is not everything i want, not even close. it's red flag laws. it's improving our background checks. it is more money for mental health. there's another -- there's other issues that likely will be on the table. but our hope is that it breaks the log jam. i mean, this has been 30 years of inaction on gun violence. yesterday's shooting in tulsa was the 20th since uvalde, the 20th mass shooting since uvalde, and it's just more, i think, evidence that this congress needs to step up and do something. >> do you believe, senator, that the republicans you're talking to -- you've worked with john cornyn before on gun issues --

do you believe they're negotiating with you in good faith? they may want to get something on mental illness or school safety to say they did something without addressing the guns themselves. >> i absolutely think our partners are negotiating in good faith. you know, senator cornyn is a friend. he has been moved, as anyone would be, by what has happened in his state. what we're looking at is, you know, a proposal that is both an investment in our mental health system and changes in our gun laws. listen, i don't believe our mass shooting problem is first and foremost a mental health problem. we have no more mental illness in the united states than any other nation. it's just in this country, if you're having homicidal thoughts, you can easily get your hands on a weapon of mass destruction, opposed to every other high-income nation in the world. i do think our partners understand we have to do both. we have to invest in mental health, and we have to make some

common sense changes to our gun laws that are completely consistent with the second amendment, to just make sure that dangerous people don't get their hands on weapons. >> senator murphy, good morning. jonathan lemire. to willie's point, we've heard from senate minority leader mcconnell a couple times specifically talk about school safety and mental health as the areas that needed to change in the wake of the texas shooting, not mentioning guns. react to that, if you will, but also more specifically, i heard you mention background checks, red flag laws. raising the age on the ability to purchase an assault weapon from 18 to 21, is that on the table in your discussions? >> well, i'll say this. i think we are having a discussion about the emerging profile of the mass shooter. they really are chillingly similar from shooting to shooting. they are normally between the ages of 18 and 21. they're almost always male. most of the time they're white but not all the time. so we are having a conversation about what to do about the fact

that a lot of 18 to 21-year-olds are getting their hands on these complicated weapons. so i can't tell you yet, you know, whether we'll have any agreement there, but i do think senator mcconnell is being kept updated on our discussions. my hope is that, in the end, we'll have something that he can support. i know that's tough to imagine happening, but i think everyone in the senate, maybe with a few exceptions, have been moved by what has happened in the last week and feel a real political imperative to get something done. >> senator, this is gene robinson. we've -- it just feels we've seen this movie before. tell me, how confident are you that whatever you come up with, however, frankly, incremental it is, it will be something, but are you confident that there are ten republican votes, the

necessary ten republican votes in the senate to do anything on this issue, on the issue of gun safety? >> yeah, i cannot say i'm confident. i'm confident in our negotiators. the question then is are there enough votes in the senate to get this passed? i don't know yet. we're on recess. we've -- the negotiators have been working around the clock this week, but we've got to get back to washington next week and see if there are enough votes on the republican side to get this done. you know, i've tried to be very clear with my republican partners and other republicans, that i'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. maybe back in 2013, i wouldn't have settled for anything less than comprehensive background checks. but now, i think it is important to show republicans that there is political reward for voting with 90% of your constituents. the political sky doesn't fall.

so we've got to see if there is room there to get this done, but i think i've got partners at the table right now who have a lot of credibility in the republican caucus. that makes me feel good about our chances. >> senator, there is reality, as you know, sandy hook, parkland, buffalo, uvalde, tulsa, and then there is the united states senate. tell me, how do you prepare yourself to be disappointed? >> listen, i've been at this for ten years, but, you know, my disappointment is political disappointment, right? i have to -- to be honest with you, you know, i spend my life around the victims of gun violence, around moms and dads who have lost kids to gun violence. i mean, i'm just a bystander to the pain and the suffering that they go through. i feel an obligation to them, to spend every minute of my life

trying to honor their fallen children with action that makes it less likely that kids in the future have to suffer the same fate. so i know that some of the great change movements in this country have had a lot of failure, often have taken over a decade to achieve legislative success. i just know that my disappointment is nothing compared to the horror that parents go through in this country and that i have an obligation to them to just get up off the mat after having been knocked down time and time again, and try and try and try. what i know this time is there are more republicans involved in these conversations, more seriously than ever before. maybe it doesn't get to a final product, but there's reason to believe that maybe, maybe this time is different. >> senator murphy, on that question of raising the age to purchase semiautomatic rifles like the ar platform guns this we've seen used in so many of

these mass shootings, we know the defense, and we heard it again from mitch mcconnell yesterday, is you don't deprive law-abiding gun owners from buying a gun they're legally allowed to buy at 18. what is the case you make back on that, saying raising the age to 21, perhaps a teenager on his birthday shouldn't be able to walk in and buy a couple of these guns capable of killing so many people so quickly. what is your argument against that? >> well, i think it is important to remember that, right now, if you are an 18-year-old, you cannot buy a pistol. federal law does not allow 18 to 21-year-olds to buy a handgun. the reason for that back when we wrote the law, the belief was that the handgun was the more dangerous weapon. that was at a time when, you know, ar-15s weren't being, you know, sold at the rate they are today and when they weren't being used in mass slaughter at the rate they are today. so, you know, we already have on

the books a law that takes for -- that says 18 to 21-year-olds, we don't want to sell you the most dangerous weapons. i'd argue to my colleagues, we're updating the law, talking about the ar-15s. listen, i don't know whether the votes are there for that law. i know republicans are interested in it, but, again, ultimately, we're looking for something that can get 60 votes. something that proves to republicans that you can engage on this issue and be politically rewarded, not punished. there's a whole host of things i would love to do. raising the age, banning assault weapons, universal background checks. i may not get all of that, but i think there are changes on the table right now that would save lives. that's my bar, right? i want to do something. i'm willing for it to be incremental. it's got to be real. it's got to be more than just a box checking exercise. >> all of those positions you laid out have the overwhelming support of the american public. democrats, yes, but also many

republicans. senator chris murphy, thanks so much for updating us on these conversations and negotiation. we'll be back with you soon, i'm sure. thanks for your time. later this morning, the house judiciary committee will hold an emergency session on a large packagebills. the protecting our kids act would raise the age for buying a semiautomatic weapon from 18 to 21. increase penalties for gun trafficking and straw purchases. those are the ones where a person buys a gun for someone else who cannot legally own one. the democratic-led judiciary committee hopes to get this to the house floor for a vote early next week. even if it passes the house, not clear that package could get 60 votes over in the senate. we are learning more about efforts by uvalde police to de-escalate what they say they thought was a barricaded suspect last week. in an interview with the "washington post" yesterday, uvalde's mayor revealed when he arrived on the scene, he met a

would-be negotiator who was trying to reach the gunman by cell phone. this reportedly was 15 minutes after the first 911 call was made at a funeral home across the street from robb elementary school. speaking to telemundo yesterday, the mayor said he does not believe the negotiator knew children were calling police from inside their classrooms and from their position across the street, they did not hear gunshots coming from inside the school. >> when did they start trying to negotiate with him, around what time? >> the moment he went in that classroom, they started calling. i wasn't there at the initial, but at the moment he went in the classroom, they were trying to get numbers and call. >> 911 calls, there were shots fired. were they trying to keep negotiating, though they were hearing shots? >> we never heard that call. >> a lot of questions today over whether the 911 calls being made by the kids inside the classroom, word of the calls

ever made it to the police officers outside the classroom. coming up in our fourth hour of "morning joe" today, we will go live to uvalde for the very latest. still ahead this hour, more from london, as queen elizabeth marks 70 years on the british throne. she has met with 13 american presidents in her lifetime. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. you're watching "morning joe." you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.mited cashb. only from discover.

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♪♪ it is just after noon in london, where official celebrations are under way as we speak for the platinum jubilee of queen elizabeth iv. the queen's trooping the color birthday parade just wrapped up. the royal family now departing horse guard's parade, on its way to join the queen at buckingham

palace. we expect to see the queen in a matter of moments on the balcony of the palace. it'll be the first of two separate moments we will see her. first to receive the royal salute, and then again with the royal family for the military fly pass. katty kay is back with us. she is u.s. special correspondent for bbc news. also with us, nbc news presidential hishistorian, and editor at the "financial times," ed luce. good morning. katty, back to you in london. what are we seeing right now? a few moments away, we believe, from seeing queen elizabeth on this special day. >> yeah, willie, just because my view wasn't nearly good enough, i've just had all of the horse guards and their fantastic livery traipse behind me. we'll get more as the royal guard makes their way to the palace. we expect the queen to be on the famous balcony. you can see it there over my

shoulder. she'll be with working members of the family, senior royals. prince harry and meghan will not be there. prince andrew will not be there. they found a way around the more awkward moments the royal family has had recently, just to make sure the queen is the focus of attention. it'll be the queen, her son, prince charles, heir to the throne, his son, prince william, second in line to the throne. he'll be up there, as well, with their wives and some of the grandchildren, too. there is a huge crowd. you can see the sun is shining. there is a moment of celebration. everybody is aware that the queen is 96 years old. she is getting to the end of her life, and this is a chance, while she is still alive, for the british public to say thank you for 70 years of duty performed in the service of the country and in service of the monarchy. that's the atmosphere here today. >> katty, for the casual american royal watcher, they'll be perhaps most interested in a

couple you mentioned, prince harry and meghan coming back over from the united states. what do we expect to see of them? how much do we expect to see of them over these four days? >> so they have been watching the trooping of the color from a separate building, so they've been part of the ceremonies but, if you like, at a little bit of distance. they arrived here in the uk. they will be here for the full four days. but they will not be front and center of these celebrations. there was a recent poll out that showed their popularity, both of them, had sunk to record lows. they're not particularly popular here in the uk. the interview they gave with oprah winfrey went down, i think, very well in the united states. i watched it from washington, and it was fascinating to watch the split reaction. it didn't go down well here in the united kingdom. a few more members here. i have the royal family, willie, as one does, about to come past me, behind me. i can see kate.

i can see camilla. i can see the children, the little prince and princesses, and other members of the royal family, all within yards of me, just making their way to buckingham palace. i don't think you've ever given me such a good view. why don't i get this in the studio in washington every day? >> no royals walking by, just mike barnicle and jonathan lemire, i'm afraid. it's the best we can do in that department. that is an extraordinary view you have there. michael, we've been talking this morning a bit about just the scope of queen elizabeth's reign, over seven decades. a young teenager who trained to be a truck mechanic during world war ii, who ascended to the throne while overseas on a trip with her husband, prince philip, in kenya when she received word that her father had died. the things she has seen. >> you're right, willie. every time we've seen the queen, it brings all that bad. this is someone who knew winston churchill, advised him on the early cold war, 1950s.

who knew eleanor roosevelt when she came to england in world war ii. knew ghandi. when she married prince philip, one of her wedding gifts was a loose woven cloth that was woven by gandhi on his loom. one member of the princess' entourage thought what gandhi sent her was a loincloth to wear on her honeymoon. >> ed luce, good morning. i have a note for our viewers. your father used to be lord chamberlain, essentially manager of the royal household. he is there at the palace today. ed, extraordinary detail. tell us what this day means to

your father, to you, to your family. >> yeah, he had this rather weird, ancient job, but also managerial job. he was a member of parliament. he was a member of the government, so he got to know the queen on foreign visits abroad, where he was the government minister accompanying her. he is not an aristocrat so, therefore, neither am i. i don't want people to get the wrong idea. he doesn't live in downton abbey. for him, having worked with the queen every day for many years, for eight years in that job, i think he's got extraordinary regard for this woman who, at age 96, is still doing a full-time job, has, unlike the rest of her family, not put a foot wrong, really, not made any gaffes, has managed to channel national tragedies and moments, most recently covid, very effectively. and so there are unmixed

feelings of pride that he has. i'm not the biggest royalist around, but i share that regard for queen elizabeth as an individual. an extraordinary stamina and sense of public service. the fact that she became queen when harry truman was president really underlines the longevity of this job. you never get to leave the job until you die. >> ed, given your father's position, his rather exalted position, i would assume, did you ever get to hang around buckingham palace, windsor castle when you were a kid? if not, what does it -- what do you think today means to your dad? >> so i didn't. he took this job when i was well into adulthood. he had been in politics as a professional politician, so i didn't hang around. i mean, i went to a few ceremonies. there's one i took my daughter

to, who was very much an american daughter. to somebody her age, it was like a "harry potter" novel more than a page of british history. i think to him, my father, who is an old-fashioned tori, it is this sense of quiet, unselfish advertising, non-showy, older, traditional characteristic that the queen personifies and he admires. so, for him, you know, i think he was 15 when the queen became queen. i was minus 16. it's pretty hard to overstate just what has happened and changed since then. it is an extraordinary span. >> katty kay, we've been talking about the enthusiasm. you can see it in the crowds. i know you're seeing it up close. the british people for this day. the feeling about the monarchy

more broadly over the scope of her reign, over 70 years, how has that evolved and changed through some scandal, tabloid years, through the death of princess diana, scandal with prince andrew more recently, harry and meghan leaving the country and being stripped of their titles, what is the public mood of the monarchy right now? >> about the monarch, it is very positive. queen elizabeth has been popular here in the united states throughout her time on the throne. it is really because of those qualities that ed was talking about, the quintessential qualities of duty and stoicism and keeping her opinions to herself. there is a certain amount of what people call silent power around the monarchy. she doesn't say much, but she has an enormous impact on public life. the question, i think, is what happens in the future. prince charles is expected as being somebody who is authentic, but we know much more about his positions.

he's spoken out on a variety of issues, like climate change, architecture. he might be seen as eccentric. he is popular, but he is not beloved. i asked a historian, what is it about her that -- >> katty, i'm sorry to interrupt. >> she's been around so long and partly -- >> turn around over your shoulder. the queen -- >> oh. >> -- has stepped onto the balcony at buckingham palace. >> i have the best view, right? >> how is your vantage point? >> i'm going to confess, she looks a little small from where i am. >> sure. >> i need a closer seat, willie, if you could arrange that. but we've got all of this amazing pageantry, of the horses trooping around in front of where i am at, canada gate, a reference to the commonwealth, of course. the horses trooping around the circle in front of the balcony. just behind the lamp post, i can see members of the royal family

on the balcony. this is something the queen does traditionally on her birthday. this is a poignant moment, because we weren't sure she'd have the stamina to make any appearance. she's had what the palace called mobility problems. she's missed important events which prince charles has taken over. there has been this quiet, unspoken transfer of some of the duties, the transition, if you like, in the british monarchy, just in the last six months. he has fulfilled three big ceremonial occasions. people are thrilled that her majesty has -- >> there it is. >> -- the stamina and is up to enjoying the celebrations. she's had a rough year, as have we all, but as has much of britain. she lost her husband last year. you remember the sad picture we saw, willie. you and i talked about it, the queen sitting by herself at her husband's funeral, kind of hunched over, dressed in black,

all alone. so for the british public to see her in this moment of celebration, the celebration of 70 years of her reign, is such a contrast and so welcome. >> standing there accepting the salute as the troops parade past. standing alongside her first cousin. has the duke of kent. ed luce, what runs through your mind as you look at this image of the 96-year-old monarch? >> wow, as katty was saying, she's had covid. she's had an acutely bad back. she's not been attending some duties recently, including the opening of parliament, the reading of the queen's speech, which is where the government's program gets read out. that was done by charles. she looks pretty sprightly to me. i mean, this is something like her 54,000th, you know, appearance. she's used to looking sprightly when she's not feeling sprightly.

but, you know, how many people get this kind of tribute on their birthday, even when it is not their actual birthday? it is her official birthday. clearly, there must be some spirit in the air that's lifting her. so i think recent rumors that she's fading might well be put to a rest, put to rest for the time being. there is a big thanksgiving service at st. paul's cathedral tomorrow. it'll be interesting to see if she feels up to it. you know, that back is apparent apparently an acute pain. >> we're getting a tighter shot. the queen smiling, talking to her cousin, enjoying the festivities below. mike barnicle, i think she looks great. >> she always looks great. 96 years old. she's been in reign for 70 years. it is almost unimaginable.

michael, the pageantry and the pride we're witnessing in london today, is there any match for it here in america? i think not, but what do you think? >> you're absolutely right, mike. as you well know, especially coming from boston, the early leaders of this country wanted to do exactly the opposite. they felt that if we fought a revolutionary war and won our independence, then we had some kind of king or queen, there was some thought that george washington, because of his stature, should be almost the same thing as a king, they would feel that we have lost in our effort to become an independent nation. so the result is we have this uneasy compromise in america. you know, the president, as you know, is our chief of staff, of state. the prime minister with programs. the result is we don't have what britain has had, a chief of

state who unites the country. england has been divided. i was struck by ed luce saying he is not much of a royalist. a lot of people in england today would say, we're not much of a royalist either, but we love the queen. when she's no longer there, that's not going to be true anymore. it is going to be an extremely different society. >> yeah. you know, willie, one of the things i think people wonder about is when the queen either passes or, perhaps unlikely, she'd give up the throne and it passes onto prince charles, who would then be king, obviously, it would be, i would think, a short reign for him, in contrast to his mother's reign. then it would go to andrew. but you wonder about the length and the loyalty to the royal family once the queen passes, at least as an american, i wonder

about. >> yeah. you meant prince william would be next. prince andrew has been stripped of his titles. katty kay, i note as we look at this shot of the queen standing on the balcony, the first recorded royal balcony appearance took place in 1851, when queen victoria stepped up during celebrations for the opening of the great exhibition. 170 years ago. 100 years before elizabeth became queen elizabeth ii. what is the reception? what are you seeing on the ground there, katty? >> yeah. great cheers have gone out when the queen came out onto the balcony. the balcony is the centerpiece of the british monarchy's ability to control its appearances in public, if you like. there have been times when there have been 40 people up on the balcony. in recent years, they've had the whole family out there. there have been times of austerity after the financial crash of 2008, when they decided

to strip the numbers down to six people on the balcony. it reflects the mood of the country in some way, what is happening on the balcony. it's a lot of politics around who stands where on the balcony. the queen always is in the center, except on occasions of royal weddings, when the newly married couple stand on the balcony. it was charles and diana, the first couple, married couple, to stand on that balcony, and the public demanded a kiss. ever since then, we've had kisses from prince charles, prince andrew, from prince william most recently when he stood on the balcony, as well. the balcony is an important part of the monarchy's diplomatic outreach to the public, and it is a way for the public to feel they can see the queen, as well. from where i'm standing, there are stands below me with visited, invited dignitaries, people perhaps like ed luce's father, who played a role in the monarchy or an important part in british life, civil society, who

have done things for the country. they've been invited. every time the horses go past or the national anthem is played, they stand and applaud. you know, it is a four-day holiday weekend here in the uk. people are grateful for that. and the sunshine and the warm weather, if nothing else. but this is also -- you know, this is a chance to pay tribute to the queen while she is still alive, frankly. there is, you know -- we have to be honest, she is 96 years old. next time there is a huge, big, outpouring of affection for her in public like this will probably be at her funeral. it's a chance for brits to say how much they appreciate her duty and service when she's still with us. [ applause ] >> queen elizabeth stepping back inside buckingham palace. was out on the balcony about 10 minutes, accepting the salutes. we do expect to see her again in just under 30 minutes' time, when the more anticipated, shall we say, of the balcony appearances, which will include prince charles and camilla, prince william and catherine,

sophie, but not harry and meghan, who are not officially in the royal family anymore, at least in title. katty, the royal family has to pace itself a bit. it is a four-day celebration of this platinum jubilee. we're here in the early hours of day one. what more do we expect to see as this weekend rolls out? >> today is the kind of military pageantry, if you like. this is the great display that, with all due respect to my american friends, the brits do almost better than anyone else in the world, with the shining brass and the horses, the soldiers in their hats marching impeccably together. this is the military pageantry. tonight, there will be beacons lit right across the country. these have been a tradition, again, in british royal celebrations for centuries. the queen will kick that off from windsor castle. tomorrow, there is the service

of thanksgiving at st. paul's cathedral. we don't know if the queen will attend that. interesting to see whether she is up to attending that. the rest of the royal family will be there for that. that is perhaps a bit more solemn occasion tomorrow. then on saturday, there is a massive concert taking place right behind me with lots of british pop stars performing. we heard them rehearsing last night. and on sunday, there is that great british tradition of street parties, where people will lay out long tables and lots of bunt. do you know what bunting is, willie? >> of course. we have it here. >> it's flags you hang up in the street. tons of bunting. lots and lots of bunting. you don't have it with union jacks, pictures of the queen. anyway, loads of bunting, wine, and a good time. it is also a celebration of the end of covid, let's be honest. >> it does have that feel a bit, doesn't it? ed luce, what else will you be looking for? obviously, we'll have this moment less than 30 minutes from now, when we'll see members of the royal family, prominent

members of the royal family on the balcony. as we go through the next three days, what do you think will be the most significant moments in celebration of her majesty the queen? >> i just have to join in your reaction about bunting. as katty notes, we do have bunting this side of the atlantic. [ laughter ] look, the queen's mother lived to 101. her husband lived to 99. you know, this is a royal family with some longevity. i think the last year has been a pretty unpleasant one, another as bad as 1997, when princess diana died, when the support for the republic in britain rose in some polls to almost half the population. but it's been a pretty bad year with the harry and meghan, with prince andrew, and the fact that the queen, you know -- he is the

second child footing the bills. it's not helped the reputation. i suspect that the brilliant laying out of this four-day celebration, the fact that it is probably going to go perfectly, that it'll be colorful, the pageantry is unbeatable, will erase the recent memories and reboot the monarchy, at least while elizabeth is on the throne, as a popular institution. we shouldn't forget, you know, 60% support for the monarchy is not overwhelming. if you go to under 30s, it is about 50/50. it is not overwhelming. it is in support for this woman, for this queen, while she's on the throne. as michael said earlier, when we get king charles iii, i suspect the mood could change quite markedly. >> we were just watching earlier images of the queen stepping

onto the balcony, looking, i have to say, very well and sprite, a word i think used earlier. we've been talking about the 14 american presidents the queen has met with. what has her relationship been like with various presidents? obviously, different with each of them over the years. how important have those registrationrelationships been to her? >> important to her and the future of the world. she talked to american presidents at the time we were devising our strategy in the cold war, deciding how to deal with terrorism, and one of the things that we americans, especially historians, and people in britain, will find out in years to come is we will get to see her diaries. we will get to see records of what those conversations actually were. the interesting thing, as ed just said, she's very popular.

she's a beloved figure. the scene we're seeing today, 30 years from now, sadly, people will probably look back on this day and say, what we saw today at buckingham palace seems as distant from the world of 2052 as it does almost from pompei. a leader that is almost entirely above politics, almost universally beloved, a chief of state, but the popularity depends a lot on the fact we don't know what her private notes are. 30 years from now, we'll know that from her letters. we'll know what she has said to prime ministers, like winston churchill and mcdillon and margaret thatcher. we're going to see her as a much more finely etched figure than we can today. you can see what a different figure she cuts 30 years from now from the one she does now. >> in some ways, we've seen the

at least unofficial appearance at least of the changing of the guard with prince charle assuming many of the queen's duties today and over the next three days. we will have much more coverage of the platinum jubilee. 70 years on the throne for queen elizabeth 4 ii coming up shortl. if it stays to schedule, we're 20 minutes away from seeing the queen along with the rest of the royal family on the balcony. we'll have continuing coverage and much more on what's happening back here stateside. the debate over guns and the potential for new legislation among many stories we're covering this morning on "morning joe." we'll be right back. joe." joe." we'll be right back. replacing thought with worry. but one thing can calm uncertainty. an answer. red through exploration, teamwork, and innovation. an answer that leads to even more answers.

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live picture of the white house at 7:41 in the morning here on the east coast. gas prices have hit yet another record high amid new warning signs the nation could be headed for an economic downturn. nbc news correspondent tom

costello has details. >> reporter: more evidence that the economy is changing fast. job openings fell by 500,000 in april, but there's still 5.5 million more open jobs than workers to fill them. unemployment remains low. yet, despite 40-year high inflation eating up wage gains, americans are still spending, still eating out, still driving, still taking vacations. a volatile day on wall street after jpmorgan chase ceo jamie dimon issues a warning to brace yourself for the economic hurricane that's coming. predicting the war in ukraine could send oil prices soaring even higher. >> the idea we're going to be able to flip a switch, bring down the cost of gasoline, is not likely in the near term. >> reporter: the national average for gasoline hit $4.67 a gallon, $6.20 in california. >> looks like i have to invest in a bike or scooter or something to work now. >> it is realistic the national average for a gallon of gasoline

will be above $5 across the entire country. probably $6 in parts of the northeast, illinois, and maybe even $7 or $8 in california and other parts of the southwest. >> reporter: in richmond, virginia, mindy owns an in-home organization consulting business. she's had to give employees gas cards and increase their pay just so they can afford to drive their own cars to meet their clients. >> they were saying things, like, i'm filling my tank and thinking how much of my paycheck is going down the drain. >> $6.20 a gallon in california. prices may be coming for the rest of the country this summer. tom costello reporting there. secretary of state antony blinken says ukraine has, quote, given assurances it will not use the advance rocket systems the united states is providing against targets inside russian territory. speaking to reporters yesterday, alongside the secretary general of nato, blinken also pushed back against moscow's accusation that the u.s. is escalating the conflict by providing those

weapons. >> let's start with this. it's russia that is attacking ukraine, not the other way around. and simply put, the best way to avoid escalation is for russia to stop the aggression and the war that it started. it is fully within its power to do so. >> we will speak with jens stoltenberg, the secretary general who was in the shot with the secretary of state, coming up in a moment on our show. we're also learning more about what is inside that new $700 million military aid package for ukraine. according to the pentagon, the package will include four m1-17 helicopters, four high mobility artillery rocket systems, 1,000 javelins, 50 command launch units, and 15 tactical vehicles. in an interview with the outlet newsmax, ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy shut down the host's suggestion that russia would not have invaded ukraine if donald trump still were president.

>> do you think the different western leadership may have prevented this aggression? many americans believe that if somebody like donald trump were still in the white house, that this invasion would not have happened. what is your position? >> translator: well, i believe what's the most important is the assistance from the people of the united states. they're paying the taxes and the money allocated to support ukraine comes from taxes. it's humanitarian and military financial support to ukraine. i'm grateful to the current president of the united states, as well as to both political parties that support us. >> sure. >> translator: sorry if i'll be saying something that you don't like, but for us as the country in war, it doesn't matter whether it's democrats or republicans. it's the people of the united states that support us. i don't know what would happen

if the president -- if donald trump would be the president for the united states at this situation, so i cannot predict what would happen. >> president zelenskyy promptly swatting away that question. jonathan lemire, let's go back to the support of the package. $700 million of new weapons. this comes as russia is just objectively making progress in the east. >> it is slow progress but progress, depending on officials' briefings, saying they're seeing russian advances. reports on the ground from the ukraine soldiers saying numbers are dwindling there. it is a punishing fight, but the russians are making some progress. this is the military aid they asked for, and now they've received. some weeks before some of it may be in play on the battlefield, but there was the string attached. the ukrainians had to portion they'd not be using these missiles for an offensive campaign into russia. there was fears they'd launch these missiles which can go 60, 70 miles or more across the border. they said they're going to use

them in the donbas. there still seems to be the occasional explosions at strategically important locations in russia. unclear what those are from. >> the big thing is targeting. the russians would -- we don't want this thing escalating to the point where the russians get more actively involved. they are involved enough, certainly. but the targeting aspect of it, and you're right, the artillery we're sending there, all artillery is lethal. we know that. but the artillery is capable of reaching well into russia, and that is a no-no as far as the united states and the world is considered. to the other point in that interview, and you keep hearing it from right-wing media, if donald trump were president, blah, blah, blah. there would have been no need for russia to invade ukraine if donald trump were president because he would have given ukraine to the russians. >> also, let's remember, he was impeached for trying to prevent the sale of weapons, like the defensive ones we're seeing here

in this war. we'll have more on the fighting in ukraine, specifically, as russia closes in on a key city in the eastern part of that country. we'll explain how they're getting there and what it may mean for the war. plus, finland and sweden say they will continue talks with turkey over objection for bids to nato membership. as i mentioned, nato's secretary general joins us live in a few minutes. we're also keeping an eye, of course, on the ceremony for queen elizabeth's platinum jubilee. her majesty and the royal family minutes away from another appearance on buckingham palace's famed balcony, and the royal air force flyover they will be watching. we'll be watching with them live from london when we come right back. back (♪ ♪)

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the house committee tasked with investigating the january 6th attack there has not announced its roster of witnesses for public hearings set to begin next week, but the panel will invite a man named jay michael lutig. he advised former vice president mike pence and was a key behind the scenes figure in the lead up to january 6th. he offered pence the legal argument the vice president used to publicly reject donald trump's understand constitutional order to overturn the victory of president biden. the upcoming hearings will mark the first time the committee has had the opportunity to reveal the complete findings of its month's long investigation. away do we expect to see? adam kinzinger was on a few days ago saying we're going to lay it out. he didn't use the comparison of the impeachment hearings, but in the same way those impeachment lawyers tried to tell the story

of of what happened. he suggested adam kinzinger that they are going to tell the story that they have the evidence they need despite some people ignoring subpoenas and all the rest of it. they are going to have what they need to tell the story. >> it's going to be a narrative here, and a bit of a show. they are going to need to tell it in a copelling way. aids i talked to are playing this close to the vest. he did police a key role. he told mike pence your job is to observe and certify. you don't play an active role here. and pence, he was under extraordinary pressure to change what happened, to not certify biden's election. he did consider it. he consulted a cast of characters including dan quayle, also from indiana, who was not something you can do. in terms of the hearings next week, some of them will be in prime time. we expect to have a significant role from cheney, the other republican on that panel.

and they are going to lay out in compelling the fashion the events that led up to that day, the events that happened that day with an eye towards preventing something like this from ever happening again. as much as so much of america has made up their minds about january 6, they still believe they can make a compelling case that some will look at this with fresh eyes and say, we can't again allow someone like donald trump or his supporters to be in power. >> it is true. so many people had their mind made up. either gay the evidence you needed to make your case that you deserve to be impeached, do you think this can change anybody's mind? or is everyone concrete at this point? >> i'm told they are going to tell a story.

it's not going to be a boring, factual presentation of what happened. they are going to tell a story. it's going to be kind of sinmatic in a way and the other aspect of it is the judge, who was mentioned in talking about for the past couple minutes, he's a revered figure in conservative legal circles and an honorable guy. he's going to have an impact. >> his testimony we expect to hear coming up in just the next couple weeks. as we come up here near the top of the hour, 8:00 on the east coast, we continue to follow the celebrations in great britain as they approach 1:00 in the afternoon for the platinum jooub lee of queen elizabeth. she's expected to make her second appearance of the morning. on the balcony there, that should happen at any moment now. spp she will appear this time with other members of the royal family for the military fly pass. our coverage of the queen's jubilee continues with.

for people just waking up here in the u.s., set the scene for us, if you would. what does it look like? we have seen throngs in the streets. and her comes the queen. >> right on cue, gret timing. here comes the queen on the balcony. and the public has just walked up to the palace. you can hear the noise behind me as she appeared on the balcony. a what we are being told is a dusky dove blue jacket. you can see she's on the balcony with her son prince charles, the heir to the throne. his wife camilla, william and kate are there too. so the people on the balcony, there's some significance here. they are known as working members of the royal family. they are the most senior members of the royal family. we have the cambridges and we have the issue duh we do not

have meghan and harry. and we do not have the duke of york. so we have some of the most senior minutes of the royal family and their children all up there. you can see there is kate. the duchess of cambridge and her husband prince william. and members of the public have been allowed near the bucking ham palace now. they can see the royal family on the balcony. the royal family can see them. we are waiting for the fly asp you can see past the helicopters, we are going to get 70 aircraft from the navy, from the air force and from the army are all going to do a huge fly pass. it is a tradition for 70 of them are going to fly past. it's going to last six minutes. and then they will fly off. there will be the iconic red art arrows doing their theatrics in the sky. i have to say i don't think i

have had a better view of british pa january try in my life. this is a great place to be right now. >> you have a good seat. you're bringing it to us so well. your impressions of that image we're seeing right there? particularly the man standing to the right of queen elizabeth, her son, the heir to the throne, who has been waiting for some time. he's now 73 years old and taking a much bigger public role in some of these ceremonies this week. >> reporter: yes, prince charles, who is popular but not in the way that the queen is popular in this country. what michael has been say about the power of the monarchy really resting with queen elizabeth because her longevity, her sense of duty, her sense of stoicism, the sense that the public has they don't really know what she thinks about things. she keeps all her opinions carefully to herself. she puts the monarchy first, the

public first, she doesn't show very many emotions. brits like that. it turns out that is the country we are. that is what we respect her for. and the question is going to be what kind of a king will prince charles be when he becomes king charles iii. and then perhaps after him, a lot of attention today not just on prince charles, but also on prince charles' son william. the duke of cambridge, who will become king after prince charles and potentially will become a younger king. so a rejuvenation of the monarchy. if you want to look for rejuvenation, don't look to charles. you look to william. here are the helicopters just starting to fly past for the royal family and the queen, by the way, as ed said, looking well. looking sprightly. >> those helicopters now buzzing high above as the queen looks to

the sky. ed, what do you see on that image with with queen elizabeth and her heir standing just to her right? >> i'm not qualified to talk about the shade of blue, but the queen there in shades chatting with her son. it's quite a marvelous sight really. we forget not -- we don't forget she's the longest reigning monarch. but we sometimes forget that she's a woman because the monarchy is so degendered and sexless in how it presents itself. and that the second longst reigning victoria was also a woman. but that england arguably greatest monarch was her name sake. who was on the throne for a 45 years. so i think the role of women as heads of state of england and

britain is now personified in this tiny, slightly crouched lady in whatever shade of blue she's wearing with those wonderful shades she's got on and that trademark hat. and i have to say, again, not as a great royalist, it's a marvelous sight. it's a marvelous sight. >> 73-year-old charles, to the queen's right as we are looking at these pictures, what is your understanding of any functions of government that the queen would once imploy that charles now utilizes? is there any? is there a lot? or a few? >> i think not so much about functions as about character. charles has opinions, and he's not disguised all of them that

well. the secret to the durability of the monarchy is not to have opinions. and so that's going to make things more difficult. i do think, though, that william is probably learned this lesson well and has more popularity. remember, he is princess dianna's first born child. princess dianna remains an eternal icon. and a lot of people see her through him. and if there's any sort of characteristic of this monarchy that has gone through more than a thousand years through various different houses over the ages, its ability to adapt with the times. a lot of what you're seeing here, this pa january try, is not ancient tradition at all. this was invented for queen victoria when she was very unpopular, a widow and the

monarchy was declining in the late 19th century. the prime minister invented a lot of these traditions that you're seeing now. so a as americans you might think these are ancient. they are a lot younger than america, some of these traditions. >> just to give our viewers a line up of that tighter shot. we know who we're seeing there. camilla, prince charles, the queen elizabeth, her imagine industry herself, the duchess of cambridge with her three children, prince george, princess charlotte and prince louis with prince william to her left there. what are you seeing in the sky above you? it looks like we're a flyover of aircraft from many eras. >> i think if i put my hand up i can touch the aircraft that are flying over my head. i was getting slightly nervous. they were within arm's reach. they are flying very low.

i'm told a thousand feet over buckingham palace and you're getting this wonderful display. most of the attention, yes, the aircraft are getting the taerngs put most of the attention issen opt the queen herself. i have heard a couple people say ing how well she looks. it's almost like it's typical of queen elizabeth. we had all been worried about whether she would appear for her jubilee. and you know what? she does her duty. she shows up. and she's enjoying it. and that is kind of why she commands so much respect not just here but around the world. we don't live in an era where people keep things to themselves. we don't live in an era where people don't share every opinion and every emotion that they have. it's sort of refreshing to have somebody who does. here we go again. >> i don't know if you can see that position, but those aircraft are spelling out "70" a as they fly in formation.

>> here we go. now the red arrows. you can see the red, white, and blue plumes famous here in britain. this image they are about to come right up here. so here come the red arrows in formation. >> this is very impressive. >> the british do this as well as just about anybody, including with the bunting. michael, this was a chance to sell the brat the queen while she's still alive. she's 96. she looks like to be in strong spirits and good health. but when her passing does come, whenever that might be, what do you think her eventual legacy will be beyond the statistics that she's the longest serving monarch? how will history remember her?

>> often times, as you know as a student of history too, when you see a great leader, it looks as if everything was inevitable. if you rewind the last 70 years of british history without her, with the less wise, with a less popular queen or king, this country with its leadership and international affairs would have been less. and people in britain and around the world would feel differently about this. you look a at the scene on the balcony. to someone it may look like a lot of well-dressed people standing on a balcony. but think about this. in 1939 to 1941, britain was almost alone against the nazis. 1940, a the lot of people thought that hitler was going to conquer britain and europe. the british royal family, the king and queen ask their daughters, including princess elizabeth, they decided to stay in london in buckingham palace

even though it was dangerous. they knew that the palace might be bombed and they might be kill ed. they wanted to send the signal to both people in britain and around the world that they expected britain to live on. if they felt safe enough to stay at home, so should everyone else. >> the the queen and royal family have turned and stepped off that balcony going back inside now for a time before further festivities get underway. let's bring back into our conversation foreign correspondent megan fitzgerald. she's in london a mile from bucking ham palace. so megan, quite a view you have had from your position as well. >> reporter: absolutely. this is just been a spectacular morning. from the crowds of thousands of people who have come from all over the world to see this historic event, watching the trooping of colour, watching

members of the royal family drive past. the biggest moment is the moment when queen elizabeth stepped out on to the balcony. just the entire city lit up and erupted with excitement. the queen has selflessly said she. s her platinum jubilee to be one where people all across the country and the world create happy memories and no doubt about it, that seeing this royal flypass, seeing the queen twice come out on the balcony, there's no doubt the people are making happy memories. it's just truly extraordinary to see this. and this is what the queen has said she wanted. she knows that the next four days are critically important to the relevance of the royal family. and the purpose of this to remind this country of the deep tradition that exists here in great britain. to remind them of the unity and restore the sense of pride that this country has. obviously, it's been a tough

couple years through covid, covid hitting the united kingdom hard. but this moment and these moments that we will see over the course of the next several days are incredibly important not only to the royal family, but to this nation. >> now the queen has stepped back inside. what more do we expect to see of her? we know prince charles is going to assume many of the duties going forward. the heir to the throne, the 96-year-old monarch as many people noted locking very well on that balcony. will we see more of her over the next three days? >> reporter: absolutely. looking very well in that blue coat that was the same outfit she wore in the official picture of her portrait that was released last night from the palace. we expect to see her later on this evening at the lighting of the beacon. so we know beacons will be lit all across the country, across the commonwealth. more than a thousand beacons in her honor. we expect to see her there

tonight. we do believe she will likely participate tomorrow morning in the service of thanksgiving with members of of the royal family. and then at the end to sort of conclude this historic weekend. she is expected to appear on the balcony once more on sunday to once again wave to the crowds. >> 70 years on the throne beginning in 1952. she ascended at the age of 25. incredible. maine began fits jarld. thank you all as well. we'll come back to this later on. next, the secretary general of nato will be our guest. he is set to speak with president biden today about russia's ongoing invasion of ukraine. but he joins us first here on "morning joe." but he joins us f but he joins us f "morning joe."attacks it's a once-monthly add-on treatment

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war would divide nato. instead, he's united nato in support of ukraine. and in defense of its own members. he's brought countries around the world together to support the principles of sovereignty and independence. that is why we will continue to stand with a democratic independent sovereign ukraine until this war is over and for that matter long after. >> secretary of state antony blinken stressing the importance of a united nato aleens as the assault continues in ukraine. his comments came during a joint news conference with the secretary general of nato who is in the united states to meet with american officials including with president biden. nato secretary general jens stoltenberg joins us now. thank you for joining us. part of that expansion that you have been talking about, part of that, pangs that secretary blinken was talking about yesterday, which is one of the many reasons, many ways this

invasion has backfired on vladimir putin to add countries rather than to divide nato. what is the progress and turkey standing in the way of those two countries joining nato? are you confident it will happen? >> the most important message is that president putin wanted less nato and now he's getting more nato and military presence. and more nato members because it's an historic decision to apply for membership. then turkey has expressed some security concerns, ask then we have to do as we always do and that is to sit down and find the right way forward and i have invited senior officials from turkey, from stockholm to sit down and address those concerns. and that's something we'll do in the coming days. >> are you confident that that will happen?

you have expressed some confidence it will happen in the next few weeks that turkey's position is not an intractable one and finland and sweden will join nato? >> i'm still confident. at the same time, we need alloys to agree. and that's why we are sitting down and are now working hard on the list. we have to remember that finland and sweden as membersen strengthen nato. it really needs strong lines. a at the same time, how to fully recognize that turkey is an important ally. just a strategic location in the fight against isis. but also black sea and it makes an important ally. it raises security concerns, we had to take that seriously. >> you already pointed out one consequence of russia's invasion, which is an expanded

nato. but certainly it's a great topic of conversation in washington and other world capitals as to how and when this war ends. that's a great mystery, but there's growing concern among senior officials this could stretch for months and months if not a year or more. how worried are you about this alliance and keeping it together and keeping all these other countries invested, sending military aid, humanitarian and funding to ukraine, which is so desperately needed if that stretches for months and months? >> wars are by nature unpredictable. and therefore, no one can tell when and how this war will end, but we need to be prepared for the war and it is extremely important that they continue to provide significant military support to ukraine. i would like to commend the united states for its leadership in providing support to ukraine.

also the announcement yesterday, but also european allies and partners are doing more. what we have seen is actually unpress debited unity among nato allies and partners. both in providing support, but also in imposing heavy sanctions on russia and deploying more nato troops to the eastern part of the alliance. and to send a very clear message to moscow we are there to protect and defend our alloys. that's to prevent the conflict beyond ukraine. >> mr. secretary, thus far, nato's appearance and support of ukraine has been impressive. it's been unified thanks large ly to the president of the united states and yourself. but could you please talk about the difficulty dealing with the

president of hugary. he's mud get dayed the waters a bit. what's the situation with him? >> we are alliance of 30 allies. there will always be some differences, some discussions. but the strengths of the bond of nato is that we have been able to overcome those differences and actually make unprecedented decisions, both on increased presence with our forces in the eastern alliance and that includes hungary. and but also the economic sanctions, to which eu allies have implemented and hungary has been part of that. these decisions are difficult. so we discuss and we find a common ground and a way to move forward together.

so that is that overall picture over the last months, the strong unity among nato allies and north america and europe. >> mr. secretary general, you're on yfr way to meet with the president of the united states. you also will speak with his national security adviser. what message will you be bringing to the president? >> it is to commend the united states for how the united states have been able to really unite north america and europe in nato to make this unprecedented decisions on sanctions, on support and economic support and also lead in increased military presence in eastern part of the alliance. but second, it will be to discuss with the president how to assure our allies continue to stand together to provide support to ukraine because we have to ensure that the brutal

invasion by president putin do not pay off and that ukraine prevails as an independent sovereign nation in europe. >> we will let you get to those meetings. jens stoltenberg, we appreciate your time. at least four people are dead, several others injured after a gunman armed with a rifle and a handgun opened fire yesterday inside a hospital in tulsa, oklahoma. the man who was not yet been identified apparently also died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound. according to tulsa's chief of police, officers arrived at saint francis 4:56 minutes after reports of gunfire were called in. officers shots and made their way to the second floor of the hospital where they found the gunman and his victims. at a news conference, tulsa's deputy police chief praised the quick response of officers. >> there was a three-minute

response, so i don't know how long the call took to come in, but it appears as though the whole thing was a four-minute or so time span from the time it came in to the time officers made contact, four to five minutes. the response i cannot overstate how proud i am of the area response to this incident. >> authorities say as many as ten people may have been wounded in that shooting a at the hospital. the victims have not yet been identified. appear to be a combination of patients and employees. we expect to learn much more about the victims and the shooter this morning when authorities hold another news conference. according to the gun violence archive, the shooting in tulsa is the 233rd a mass shooting in the united states so far this year as we sit on june 2nd. coming up next, an update from senator chris murphy on the bipartisan talks on gun reform taking place on capitol hill and what hope he has for something

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we reported earlier a source telling nbc news that senate negotiaors reached a framework for gun safety legislation. the talks are being led by chris murphy of connecticut, who joins us now. senator, thank you for your time this morning. we're hearing about this framework is the term being use ed. can you put flesh on those bones. what is all on the table right now? >> i really can't. i think we still have work to do today, tomorrow and through the weekend. but the good news is that there are more republicans in engaged in these conversations about trying to put a an end to these mass shootings, than ever before. so between the meetings we had

yesterday and on tuesday, we had about 6 to 8 republicans engaged back in 2013 after sandy hook, there was one republican that was engaged in discussions. and our hope is that we're going to be able to produce something for our colleagues next week. we're talking about a bill that will make a difference and will save lives, but it's not everything i want. it's red flag laws, it's improving our background check system, it's more money for mental health. there's other issues that likely will be on the table, but our hope is that it breaks the log jam. this has been 30 years of inaction on gun violence. and yesterday's shooting in tulsa was the 20th since uvalde, the 20th mass shooting since uvalde and it's more evidence that this congress needs to step up and do something. >> do you believe that the republicans that you are talking to are negotiating with you in

good faith, there's some sense they might want to get something on mental illness or school safety to move along without addressing the guns themselves? >> i absolutely think our partners are negotiating in good faith. senator cornyn is a friend. he has been moved as anyone would be by what has happened in his state. and what we're looking at is a proposal that is both an investment in our mental health system and changes in our gun laws. i don't believe our mass shooting problem is first and foremost a mental health problem. we have no more mental illness in the united states than any other nation. in this country if you're having homicidal thoughts, you can easily get your hands on a weapon of mass destruction opposed to every other high-income nation this the world. our partners understand we have to do both. we have to invest in mental health and make some common

sense changes to our gun laws that are completely consistent with the second amendment to make sure dangerous people don't get their hands on weapons. >> senator murphy, good morning. we have heard from mitch mcconnell a couple times, specifically talk about school safety and mental health as the areas that need to change. not mentioning guns. react to that if you will, but more specifically, i heard you mention background checks, red flag laws, raise the age on the ability to purchase an assault weapon from 18 to 21. is that on the table in your discussions? >> i will say this. i think we are having a discussion about the emerging profile of a mass shooter. they really are chillingly similar from shooting to shooting. they are normally between the ages of 18 and 21, they are almost always male. most of the time they are white, but not all the time. and so we are having a

conversation a about what to do about the fact that a lot of 18 to 21-year-olds are getting their hands on these complicated weapons. so i can't tell you yet whether we'll have any agreement there, but i do think senator mcconnell is being kept updated on our discussions and my hope is that in the end we'll have something that he can support. i know that's tough to imagine happening, but i think everyone in the senate maybe with a few exceptions have been moved by what has happened in the last week and feel a real imperative to get something done. >> senator, this is jeanne robinson. it's just feels like we have seen this movie before. tell me how confident are you that whatever you come up with, however, frankly, incremental it is, it will be something. but are you confident that there are ten republican votes, the

necessary ten republican votes in the senate to do anything on this issue, on the issue of gun safety? >> i cannot say i'm confident. i'm confident in our negotiators and the question then is are there enough votes in the senate to get this passed. i toebt know yet. we're on recess. our negotiators have been working around the clock, but we have to get back to washington next week and see if there are enough votes on the republican side to get this done. and i tried to be very clear with my republican partners and other republicans that i'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. maybe back in 2013 i wouldn't have settled for anything less than comprehensive background checks, but now i think it's important to show republicans there's political reward for voting with 90% of your constituents. that the political sky doesn't

fall. so we have to see if there's room there to get this done, but i think identify got partners at the table now who have a lot of credibility in the republican caucus. that makes me feel good a about our chances. >> senator, there's reality, as you know, sandy hook, parkland, buffalo, uvalde, tulsa, and then there's the united states senate. tell me how do you prepare yourself to be disappointed? >> i mean, listen. i have been at this for ten years, but my disappointment is political disappoint the. i have to be honest with you. i spend my life around the victims of gun violence, around moms and dads who have lost kids to gun volence. i'm just a bystander to the pain and the suffering that they go through. i feel an obligation to them to spend every minute of my life to

find action that makes it less likely that kids have to suffer the same fate. so i know that some of the great change movements in this country have had a lot of failure. often have taken over a decade nrd to achieve legislative success. i just know that my disappointment is nothing compared to the horror that parents go through in this country and i have an obligation to them to get up off the mat after having been knocked down time and time again and try and try and try. what i know this time is there are more republicans involved in these conversations, more seriously than ever before. maybe it doesn't get to a final product, but there's reason to believe that maybe, maybe this time it's different. >> senator murphy, on that question of raising the age to purchase semiautomatic rifles like the ar platform guns we

have seen used in these mass shootings. we know the defense and heard it again yesterday is you don't deprive law-abiding gun owners from those legally allowed to buy. what's the case you make back to say just raising the age to 21 that perhaps a teenager on his birthday shouldn't able to walk in and buy a couple of these guns that are capable of killing so many people so quickly? what's your argument against that? >> i think it's important to remember that right now, if you are an 18-year-old, you cannot buy a pistol. so federal law does not allow 18 to 21-year-olds to buy a handgun. the reason for that is back when we wrote the law, the belief was the handgun was the more dangerous weapon. that was at a time when ar-15s being the rate they are today and so on the books a lot law

that says for 18 to 21-year-olds they want to be careful about not selling you the most dangerous weapons. i would argue to my colleagues we're just jup dating that law by talking about these ar-15s. i don't know whether the votes are there for that law. the republicans that are interested in it, but ultimately, we're looking for something that can get 60 votes, something that proves to republicans that you can engage on this issue and be politically rewarded, not punished. there's a whole host of things i would love to do. raising the age, banning assault weapons, universal background check, i get all of that. but there are some changes on the table right now that would save lives. thaps my bar. i want to do something. i'm willing for it to be incremental, but it has to be real. it has to be measure just a box checking exercise. >> all those positions have the overwhelming support of the american public. democrats, yes, but also many

republicans. senator murphy, thank you for updating us on these conversations and negotiations. we'll be back to you soon. thank you for your time this morning. coming up, another flight packed with bby formula is headed to the united states. but that is just a drop in the bucket in terms of what is needed right now. the latest timeline for when supply could get back to normal and why president biden says he didn't know about this crisis until april. s until april.

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pfizer has asked the fda to authorize its covid-19 vaccine for children under the age of 5. that's the only still that remains ineligible for vaccination. the request comes after pfizer said three doses of the shot

were 80% effective at preventing symptomatic covid and geerated a robust immune response. fda clearance could come before the end of the month. the education department will cancel nearly $6 billion in student loan debt for hundreds of thousands of students who attended schools affiliated with corinthian colleges. that was one of the nation's largest for profit education companies before it collapsed in 2015 following an investigation for predatory and unlawful practices. that cancellation of debt is the largest student loan forgiveness action ever made by the department of education. now we have the latest on that desperate search for baby formula by families across the

country. with president biden announcing new overseas shipments now are on the way. but for the first time, the. >> we could foresee this was going to cate a tremendous shortage. >> they understood it would have a very big impact. >> they did, but i didn't. >> fda officials were alerted to potential problems at the plant in october. when an abbott whistleblower sent fda officials this 34-page document alleging that lax practices including regulatory violations were consistently overlooked. the fda did not send a team to

investigate until january 31st. abbott shut down the plant on february 15th and issued a voluntary recall two days later. that same day the fta put out a warning to parents. now president biden says he didn't become aware until april. he faced criticism for a low response. the press secretary saying administration officials were working on the problem for weeks before the president says he was briefed. >> we did everything we can from the moment that we learned about the recall. i would have to talk to him about the april date. >> reporter: in that meeting with major manufacturers, abbott was noticeably absent. a senior administration official telling nbc news the company at the center of this crisis was not invited. abbott is currently cooperating with the fda to reopen its shuttered plant in michigan set for this weekend. this comes after president biden announced new emergency formula

flights from the united kingdom and australia expected to hit shelves later this month. it can't come soon enough for parents like moms in northern california. she's driven up to oregon to find the formula she needs for her 10-month-old baby boy. >> we can't do this. there should be formula on the shelves in the store. >> this timeline doesn't make sense. the whistleblower report comes out in october. we know there's a problem in abbott. investigators go in in january. they shut down the plant this february. all these executives that he met

with, we knew something was coming down the pipeline and they don't tell the president until two months later. how does that work? >> it doesn't look great here. the executives saying they were aware of shortfall was coming. they said that there was communications in the white house. president biden said that yesterday. but it didn't reach his desk, which is not great for a president who is at this point risks looking out of the loop or the administration was slow to respond. it was soon thereafter that consumers started noticing there was less formula on the shelves and a huge shortage now. and as much as the problem with going back and saying what went wrong, it's also more for parents about fixing it now. and the administration is saying, yes, they had another shipment from overseas. that is a drop in the bucket. it's going to be a month or ore before they are back to full capacity. >> the united states of america and we're flying baby formula in from overseas. come on. >> the timeline on this is pointed out. it began last fall. the first flares went up, the first warnings went up last tall. then there was a critical point in time in february, according to the reporting that we just saw, how does this not get to the president of the united states? how does the fda not raise the flag as early as january and

february and say we have something to watch out here. there are a few parts of life more important than all of the things that are damaging the average life everyday of people. gas prices, grocery prices, and infant formula. and the idea that you're going to go into a store and see empty shelves not being able to buy formula, wow. >> we talk about important issues on the show. war and peace, foundations of democracy, but for an american living his or her life, it's groceries, gas, and if you don't see formula on the shelves, you want to know why and who is responsible for it. >> this is not the first time the administration has been slow to supply chain issues. they down played this crisis last summer and fall when it was first coming because of the pandemic. and to your point, it's exactly right. we're talking about what's happening in russia and with the war in ukraine. the january 6th committee hearings coming, but the number one thing americans cast ballots

on are issues like these. rising prices and the ability to feed their family. and in this case f they can't get formula, we're hearing stories mothers driving four or five hours at a time desperate searching to find formula. this is scary to be punished by voter this is fall. >> a stunning public admission, the president of the united states saying nobody told me for months. still ahead, live to the white house for the latest on this crisis and the president's effort to arm ukrainian soldiers even further in their field against russia. "morning joe" is coming right back. back

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joe." a lot to cover ahead in our fourth hour. the latest from the ground in uvalde, texas. nine days now after the mass shooting that killed 19 children and two teachers at robb elementary school. we also will go live to capitol hill as gun reform talks pick up steam a bit, perhaps in congress this morning. plus president biden facing growing pressure to act on inflation as it continues to threaten the nation's economy. white house council of economic adviser jared bernstein will be our guest later this hour and we'll take you live to london where the platinum jubilee is celebrating queen elizabeth's 70 years on the throne. and we begin with the mass shooting in tulsa, oklahoma. another one. this time a gunfire opened fire in a hospital. killing four people, injuring many others before taking his own life. joining us now from tulsa, nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. vaughn, what do we know so far?

>> willie, there are still quite a few dea tails that we're expecting. we're expecting a press conference with local authorities in the next few hours here. we know that at least four civilians have passed away at this hour. the gunman himself is believed to have died of self-inflicted gunshot wounds. there was about nine minutes from the point in which the original 911 calls came in to the point in which the gunman was deemed to be down here at this hospital. according to authorities, we are here in tulsa, this is at the saint francis medical center complex and to the best of our knowledge here at this hour, the gunman went to the second floor of one particular part of this hospital. it was the orthopedic section. the exact motives are unclear, what led him to target this particular area is unclear. but authorities believe that this was not a random attack. but one that was intentional. there was also a bomb squad unit last night at a home believed to

be of the gunman. atf is on the scene investigating. authorities say that gunman was carrying two different weapons. not only a shotgun, but also a rifle. the exact aspects of that rifle are unclear here at this time. but all of this comes just two weeks after ten individuals were shot and killed in buffalo, and then the 19 school children and two teachers just last week and in uvalde, texas. this is a situation here in which there were individuals that were running from this hospital here last night. there were family members getting messages from loved ones inside as the chaos unfolded. at this hour, four individuals were kill and several more injured. we're waiting for more details. >> another mass shooting in america, thank you so much. according to the gun violence archive, the shooting

at the hospital in tulsa was the 233rd mass shooting of the year in the united states. we're at june 2nd. that is a shooting with four or more victims. it also is the 20th mass shooting just since the massacre at robb elementary in uvalde, texas, nine days ago. we're learning new details about efforts by uvalde police to de-escalate what police thought was a barricaded suspect situation. the mayor of uvalde telling "the washington post," when he arrived on the scene he met an official identified only as the negotiator. who was trying to reach the gunman by phone. they tried every number they could find. but the gunman did not pick up the phone. this reportedly was about 15 minutes after the first 911 call was made. meanwhile official as announced the campus of robb elementary will be closed indefinitely as you might expect. the school's police chief who has faced criticism for his response to last week's shooting is denying reports that he is

not been cooperating with the state's investigation. said he has been in touch with investigators. joining us now from the ground in uvalde, nbc news correspondent gaud venegas. what could you tell us this morning? >> reporter: good morning. there is different bits of information from different places over the last few days. so have to sort of look at everything. there was first the statement coming from the investigators saying that the uvalde police department and the chief were appropriating with the investigation. yet it added that pete arredondo has not responded to a follow up interview. this is whattinish avenued that conversation in the talk about whether or not he was cooperating or not with the state officials with the investigators. then after we know that he told cnn that he has been talking to them every day and he has been cooperating with the investigation. and then there is this interview that the mayor of uvalde did meanwhile, the interview with telemundo and "the washington

post" to discuss more details about that same investigation. he talked about the moment he arrived here at you said, just minutes after the first 911 call was made. he talked about going to a funeral home that is just down the street, across from the school where he saw this negotiator and gave some details of what he was able to aobserve. this is part of the conversation that the mayor had with our telemundo affiliate. >> when did they start trying to negotiate with him? around what time. >> the moment he went in that cloos room, they started calling. i wasn't there at the initial. but at the moment he went in that classroom and they were trying to get -- >> and the 911 calls that there were shots fired, they were trying to negotiate with him even though they were hearing shots? >> i don't well we were -- never heard that call. >> reporter: so you have a lot of different pieces moving here. we have to information the investigation is being conducted by tate autri