good to be with you. i'm katy tur. another mass shooting, another person with an a.k.-15. this time the shooting happened at a hospital in tulsa, oklahoma. dr. preston phillips, dr. stephanie houson, amanda green and william love, all shot dead. police detailed the how and why. police say the man had back surgery and dr. phillips was his surgeon. after the surgery, the gunman called dr. phillips complaining

of continuing pain including a phone call he made yesterday. when he was not able to be seen immediately, he drove to a gun star and one hour later was at the hot shooting. he bought the gun and went in to kill those people that same day. the first 911 call came in at 4:52. four minutes later, police were on scene. >> officers entered the building on the first floor and made their way to the second floor based on the information they received. while on the second floor of the vast building, officers began yelling tulsa police, this is something that we train to do. as officers were calling out tulsa police and advancing towards a suspect location, they heard a gunshot. we believe that was the final gunshot with the suspect taking his own life. the gunshot was at 4:52 p.m.,

approximately 39 seconds after the first officers entered the building. >> police say they know the shooter's motive because they found a letter on his person that confirmed he came to the hospital with the intense of killing dr. phillips and, quote, anyone who got in his way. joining me now from tulsa is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. talk to me about what else we learned today and what's happening with the others who were injured. >> reporter: katy, 39 seconds. it speaks to what more the gunman could have done. the authorities outline in which are the time that they entered those doors, this is the orthopedic center part of the hospital and began yelling "tulsa police," that's when they say they heard a single gunshot. they believe that is the

self-inflicted gunshot wound that killed the gunman himself. they say they found on the gunman's feet a woman who was hiding underneath the desk and they had escorted several others. it speaks to the consolidated time frame, at least what we're being told from authorities right now, to the gunshot, that self-inflicted gunshot wound coming at about 4:57, 4:58. the other top line to this here is the fact that at 2:00, less than three hours earlier is when authorities say that he went down the road to a gun store and bought an a.r.-15. 30 shell casings from that a.r.-15 were found on the ground of the second floor here at the hospital. seven other were found from a handgun he purchased three days prior. authorities say they received a phone call from an individual

they identify as his wife, called about 30 minutes after the shooting saying she was aware that he was intending to gun down these individuals at the hospital. they say whether it came right before he began shooting or after or during it is not quite clear. but authorities are suggesting at this time that they were not aware of the gunman's intention. at the same time you're talking about four civilians who were shot dead here in tulsa, oklahoma at the hands of an a.r.-15 and another handgun. >> what's the reaction of the community there? >> reporter: you know, i think you heard from the hospital ceo that spoke there, they held that press conference within the corridors of this hospital, which is back fully open as of 3 a.m. this morning here. and this is an individual, the surgeon here who was targeted by this gunman who had worked here over decades. individuals, we had our affiliates while we were all

trying to get here ourselves to tulsa, our affiliates were talking to family members, one individual saying that she came down here because her husband texted her there was a gunman and did not hear from him for a long while while they ran to the basement where there is no cell service. this is the moments of shock that loved ones are questioning. these guns by oklahoma law were legally purchase yet an a.k.-15 who walked into that second floor as any patient would, he began firing. and law enforcement we're continue to hear that it was key and ultimately the gunman took his own life and no others were harmed in the process. and another note is the individuals were able to escort

out. this is the timeline given us but one in which we're luckily not to be covering more funerals beyond these four. >> a supermarket, an elementary school and now a hospital. take it back a couple months and you add a subway and all the other less covered shootings that are happening every single day in this country, every single day people dying from gun violence. vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. mayor don mclaughlin is offering his version. mclaughlin says he rushed to the hillcrest funeral home directly across the street from the school after receiving a call about the gunman who crashed his truck. that's where mclaughlin met an official who was attempting to negotiate with the shooter. >> reporter: when did they start

trying to negotiate with him? >> the moment he went in. i wasn't there at the mission but in the moment he went in that cash room they were trying to get numbers and calls. >> but the shooter did not answer. when asked about 911 calls from students, he said he didn't believe the negotiator was aware there were children calling 911 and asking police to save them while the gunman was in the classroom. >> reporter: in one of the 911 calls there were shots fire. were they trying to negotiate even though they were hearing shots sm. >> we never heard that call. >> and we are hearing more from parents who watched helplessly as police stood outside of the school while the shooter was inside. one mother said she was handcuffed by police for rushing in, but she could not stand by and wait one second longer.

>> they could have saved many more lives. they could have gone into that classroom and maybe two or three could have been gone but they could have saved a whole more -- the whole class, they could have done something, gone through the window, sniped him through the window. if anything they were being more aggressive on us parents who were willing to go in. i told an officer i don't need you to protect me, i don't need protection. they were more concerned about keeping us there instead of going inside that school. there was no one officer. >> she didn't see any officers in the school. today the city of uvalde will gather to remember the victims. joining me is guad.

if anyone hasn't seen the full interview with that mother, i suggest they go out and search for it because it is damaging for law enforcement and it is infuriating for anybody who has a heart thinking that those parents were held back as those gun shots were still being fired. guad, there were so many questions. what was a negotiator doing trying to negotiate with a shooter who was inside the school and shots were still being fired? what's going on with that? every single day we're getting another story about what happened from officials in that town. it's confusing. at the same time there are funerals and memorials. what is it like there today? >> reporter: katy, that's correct. you have a lot of things going on, lots of pieces moving here in uvalde. we have funeral services today from some of the victims, visitation services. so the family members and the members of the community, friends of those that died are

focused on that. they're staying away from the spotlight, focused on these memorial services. at the same time you have visitors coming, going to the sites like the school behind me, the town square, bringing flowers, candles and just paying tribute to the children that died. meanwhile, we have the investigation that has been contradicting. we get information from state officials that tell us one thing and then the next day new information is contradicting and then local officials will have new information that seems to be different. that's what has made things so difficult here. now, just minutes ago state senator roland gutierrez spoke about the investigation and he's bringing up a point, a question, that many have in their mind and it's what happened when the children were calling 911 and telling the dispatchers that they needed help. meanwhile, police officers were in the school, were they waiting in the hallway? were they outside? what happened during that time? why is it that they didn't go inside after the kids were calling 911?

the state senator is saying there could have been a problem with communication. when people call 911 here, he said those calls go to dispatchers that communicate with the police. the police was not in charge here. it was the school district. he was in charge but he's not part of uvalde. they're trying to find out if pete arredondo knew. >> they do not know who the authorities they were communicating the 911 calls to. we do know the 911 calls were not being communicated to the so-called incident commander,

officer arredondo. they were communicated to a state officer and i have not been told who that is. >> reporter: initially they said pete arredondo was being told and now it's not clear if he knew while he kept them outside the classroom. it's important that every day we find out new bits of information. keep in mind some of this information is coming from local authorities. this is a state senator, who is asking questions from the investigators. some other details do come from the texas state investigators. because you have different information coming from different places, it's very difficult to judge. the community here just keeps asking more questions trying to figure out exactly what happened, katie. >> guad, thank you very much. president biden is going to address the nation tonight in a primetime speech. the white house says he will

urge congress to do more in the wake of a third mass shooting in just under three weeks. right now there is some movement on capitol hill, as both chambers work on separate gun control legislation. connecticut senator chris murphy is leading one effort. he spoke about working with his republican colleagues. >> i'm confident in our negotiators. the question then is are there enough votes in the senate to get this passed. i don't know yet. i think i've got partners at the table right now who have a lot of credibility in the republican caucus and that makes me feel good about our chances. >> joining me now from capitol hill is nbc's ally vitale. and mike memoli. ali, give us the latest.

>> we heard chris murphy on a dual track of negotiations happening between republicans and democrats, he says he's optimistic. i was really taking note of the fact that in that interview he said he's not going to let the perfect get in the way of the good. i think as you think about the policy window here of what's on the table for democrats, they seem to have really moderated their opening position here, putting on the table the things that republicans talk about all the time, like hardening schools, school safety and mental health, hoping to do that by pairing those approaches with things that democrats have talked about for a long time, including background checks and now a discussion over red flag laws. there's some overlap with what we're seeing in the house today, the house judiciary committee coming back for an emergency session today. that's still going on right now. they're marking up a package of bills that include, among other things, raising the age limit from 18 to 21 to buy a semiautomatic rifle, trying to bolster protections and

regulations that have been made around bump stocks. it's a package of bills that includes also red flag incentives for states for them to start those programs. the reality, though, even though one democratic aide said they view that as low-hanging fruit legislatively, it doesn't change the fact that whatever the house is able to pass here is likely going to run into a brick wall in the senate. that's why those negotiations are so important and the point of overlap are very few at this point, katie. that's not to say there's none. that's why there's some optimism here, even though there's not a very large reserve of it. >> ali is working on what they're talking about in congress. there was talk the president wasn't trying to get overly involved, he didn't want to make it harder to come to a bipartisan agreement by inserting himself because sometimes that can happen. what's going to happen tonight

and has the calculus changed? >> president biden was flying back to washington from his trip to japan and he asked where is the back bone on the part of lawmakers to take these kind of actions at the opposition of the gun lobby? then he traveled to uvalde himself. he signalled to some of those demonstrating outside who were calling on him to do more that we would. the question has always really been will the president himself invest significant political capital to try to urge congress into action. now we have that answer from the white house by using the biggest platform he has, a white house address in primetime to call for as the white house is putting it common sense actions on gun safety legislation. now, the president said yesterday, in fact, when he was asked about his view of how things stood on capitol hill if he was optimistic. he said he is a former senator who sent a lot of time up there. he is skeptical, which i think speaks to some of the cynicism that people like joe biden who

as president, vice president and senator have been involved in these issues for some time have been to the fact that even something like sandy hook, something was able to take action. to give this speech tonight, it's an indication that talks are progressing to such a degree as ali indicates that there is some reason for optimism and, second, that the president can be helpful. he has always talked about the fact this is one of those 80/20 issues, if not higher, in terms of public support for it. this is a call to action to keep that public support and keep that drum beat on congress to get them over the finish line. will some of those republicans who have been in the talks hear something tonight, hear something in the response in the days ahead that maybe pulls them back? it's going to depend on the president's powers of persuasion tonight. >> we've seen this movie before in congress and at the white house and unfortunately i think we're going to see the movie where somebody walks in and starts shooting people at a new

place again as well because nothing is changing. at least not yet. mike memoli, ali vitale, thank you very much. >> coming up, a former law enforcement agent turned teacher joins me. and president biden said he personally didn't know how severe the baby formula shortage was. why didn't he staff tell him? >> and the economic storm that is believed to be on the way. ty

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being fast tracked in the wake of the texas school shooting. republican governor mike dewine is expected to sign it into law any day now. joining me now is former cia officer and former fbi agent turned high school teacher in dallas, tracy walter. tracy, thanks so much for being here. you know how to fire a gun. what's it like firing a gun? can you learn it pretty easily? >> thank you so much for having me, katy. not to sound trite but it's relatively easy to learn to point and shoot and target shoot with a weapon. with my cia and fbi training i calculated i have a little over 4,000 hours of firearms training combined. what's more difficult is that situational awareness training or fear extinction training. >> what you mean by that is it's more difficult if you are faced with somebody who is shooting at

you or just shooting in your vicinity. >> yes, that's correct. i think a lot of times we think it's so easy to fire a gun, we're shooting at a stagnant paper target, if you will. the reality is is when push comes to shove, when you are in the situation, when your adrenaline has kicked in, you really go into what we call self-preservation mode. there's no shame in that. that's normal. people don't want to die. that's a normal trait that people have. the training that i received, it sort of works to counter that, basically going inside the burning building to help people rather than going outside of the burning building and that is really the crux of the training and what's the most difficult thing to train into folks. >> so you're saying if you're a teacher and you have 24 hours of gun training, you have 700 hours of gun training, 7,000 hours of gun training, no matter what, if you are faced with an active shooter and that active shooter has a pistol or a.r.-15, it's

not going to be so easy as shooting. >> yes. a lot of people think if i had a gun, i would have shot him. that's a normal thing to think. i think people want to think they would save human life. but in normal situations, that's not the case. and to give teachers 24 hours training and some might be tactical in nature, i don't see how you can adequately prepare a teacher to do that. that's not why we got into the profession in the first place. >> you saw this in uvalde. police officers didn't go in and confront the shooter, and they were trained and they have an oath to serve and protect. this is their job and they hesitated. the guy had an a.r.-15 style weapon. we say that but basically an

a.r.-15, that's not just so easy to confront. is that what you're saying? >> absolutely not. so i think that's what's surprising me by the speed of this bill, bill 99. that's what's very surprising is that this went through so quickly. i don't understand when we see police officers not going in, waiting an hour to go in and sort of maybe being apprehensive because they don't want to die and they don't want to take fire. why would we think that teachers would for some reason feel more inclined to take fire and put themselves in harm's way. teachers are heroes. i love being a teacher. it's one of the best jobs i've ever had but my goal is to educate children and have them become critical thinkers, not to be taking some of my professional development time and putting it into firearms training. >> what do you think the solution is here? >> you know, i think the picture that you had up of me before

that, that's an n-4. so really the difference between that and an a.r. 15 is it's fully automatic and an a.r. 15 is not. i don't understand why we think the solution to a common threat, which is gun violence is more guns. i'm not anti-guns, however, i think we need some common sense gun legislation and i think that's what's really going to help our teachers and help our schools and help keep our kids safe. >> is it common sense to ban semiautomatic weapons, to ban assault weapons? >> in my opinion i think it is common sense to ban those weapons. i'm not for a ban on all guns but that's what we see as the common theme through all of this, even with tulsa yesterday. that was an a.r.-15. the speed and ease at which people acquire these weapons is shocking to me. >> tracy, thank you so much for being with us. i appreciate all of your

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an economic hurricane, that is what jpmorgan chase ceo jamie diamond says he's telling the biggest u.s. bank to brace for and is advising investors to do the same. joining me is nbc's tom costello. tom, what's this all about? >> it's pretty serious. when jamie dimon speaks, the world listens and wall street listens. he describes it as a hurricane. there are a lot of reasons. one of the biggest reasons is, as you know, the federal reserve is raising interest rates because inflation is out of control right now.

they are also -- the treasury department is also right now no longer buying bonds. you know, during the financial crisis, during the pandemic, there was a lot of what we called quantitative easing, flooding the market with money and therefore stimulating the economy. well, the argument goes that the treasury department put way too much money out there into the economy. it flooded the economy with money and that's a big reason why we have sky high inflation. so now the treasury is trying to withdraw that stimulus, if you will. it's happening at a time when you've got sky high inflation, gas prices as you know right now at $4.71 a gallon nationally, $6.21 in california. if you want to talk about dire predictions, jamie dimon is thinking we may see oil go to $175 a barrel, it's now at $115 a barrel. this is a global market when it relates -- as it relates to oil and gas. the more that the world consumes

oil and gas, and, by the way, china right now coming out of its covid lockdowns, their economy is restarting, as all of this happens around the world, there's a big dramatic drain on oil, oil prices are sky rocketing, jet fuels are skyrocketing, groceries are skyrocketing, the administration is withdrawing that economic incentive and we have very low unemployment right now, 3.5% when inflation is at a 40-year high. the question is how long will the unemployment rate stay low? will americans simply decide -- first of all, will companies start laying employees off and at what point on the gas pump will people decide they're not going to fill their suv anymore? they can't afford to drive to work, they're going to go on the bicycle. we may be getting close to that because we now have eight states over $5 a gallon and economists

think $5.20 a gallon is when people start pulling back on their habits. that's this inflexion point and they're serious that the economy could be in trouble. >> if they stop filling up their tank and take alternate transportation to their jobs, how does that negatively affect things this in the broad economy. it negatively affects you if you're having to bike to work instead of take your car. >> it would put more money in that person's pocket. on the other hand, it being sucked out by what you're paying for food or start heating your house or paying for a.c. you can imagine if the country stops driving as much, then we would start to see the economy slow. this is where it's a real paradox. you're looking for that goldie locks economy, not too hot, not too cold. the trouble is if you slam on

the brakes too fast, then you hit a brick wall, we could be in real trouble here. so if the country stops driving, if this affects small businesses, they can't afford anymore to put their drivers out, their deliveries out, then you could really start to really slam the brakes on this economy and it could be a real challenge. >> this is a warning from jamie dimon? >> he's saying this is coming. he says this is coming. the federal reserve is raising interest rates to tame inflation. dimon believes it may be too late at this point. >> tom costello, thank you very. >> i'm always just a bowl of fun, a bowl of can cherries, a lot of fun at a cocktail parties when we're not talking about this stuff. >> i know you are. you're a good guy. i don't want to ask you about the economy. let's go get an ice cream instead. >> the white house is answering

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a jury in virginia awarded johnny depp the $15 million in the defamation lawsuit against his ex-wife amber heard. the jury reduced part of the award due to a state legal limit and it still comes to over $10 million. she had she had become a public finger representing domestic abuse. depp was not named in the op-ed. while the decision was largely in depp's favor, the jury did award amber heard $2 million because they found one of johnny depp's lawyers had defamed her.

the internet seemed to favor depp. >> you think jurors were aware of it? they weren't supposed to be. they were admonished every day don't look at it. do you think they did look at? >> how could you not? they have families, we had a ten-day break for a judicial conference, there's no way they couldn't have been influenced and it was horrible. it was really, really lopsided. >> joining me is liz plank, she co-hosts the man enough podcast. i didn't follow this trial closely at all. it frankly didn't really interest me. but every time i opened instagram, i saw a flood of memes about it and just by looking at it, i would have assumed that amber heard did a

lot of things and was an absolutely horrible, terrible person. >> absolutely. i think your experience is not unique. i certainly identify. i have to admit, i also tried to avoid this trial, even as someone who cares about the issues and domestic violence, i couldn't avoid it. you're absolutely right. we often think about the o.j. simpson trial or the ted bundy trial as the first widely televised trials where the entire nation was captivated by this trial. this is the first trial by tick tock. there were billions of impressions on how shocked johnny depp was. as you noticed in your own personal life. it was on twitter even yesterday as i was just reporting on the verdict. the suggested #s for johnny depp were johnny depp was innocent,

basically being glamourized as a hero. and there's a very different portrayal of these two people and it's not just now that the verdict is out, it's been like that from the very beginning. >> so what kind of effect is this going to have on the me-too movement in general? >> that's a great question, katy. i thought along about that question because the me-too movement was all about empowering survivors and women coming forward and talking about incidents of abuse and sexual harassment, but the movement was never about women having power over men. it was all about equality for all survivors. there were actually a lot of men who participated in this movement who were important spokespeople for this moment. i'm thinking about terry cruz and some famous men who came forward when it came to kevin spacey. so in many ways you could say if

johnny depp was really abused, maybe he was helped by the me-too movement. it was all about normalizes, coming forward for survivors. the idea that he's become this fire brand showing that the me-too movement is bad and has gone too far, maybe he benefited from that movement. >> liz, always good to talk to you. thanks for coming on. coming up next, a celebration fit for a queen. fit for a queen. a-plus. still got it. (whistle blows) your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company.

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but for the troops in the trenches who fight with their last drop of blood. ukraine now faces wales on sunday. the winner of that match secures a spot in group b of this year's world cup alongside iran and england. we have been leading up to it all week. it is jubilee day one in the united kingdom. prince charles, prince william and princess kate led the parade. the cambridge children make their trooping the color carriage debut. you see them waving at the massive crowds on the ground this week. some of them slept over. queen elizabeth stepped out on

her balcony to wave to the crowd below. prince louie pulled faces and covered his ears as he stood beside his grandmother who seemed to find it all pretty funny. joining me now from the mall from buckingham palace and msnbc's keir simmons. i'm also joined with susannah lipscomb, professor at the university and contributor. i always wondered how kate was able to keep them so well behaved. my kids, i could not stand like that for two minutes, let alone the time they were on that balcony. >> reporter: right, my kids are nine and they wouldn't stand still on that balcony. impressive. but an endearing right to see

them so rerelaxed, and the quee so relaxed while he plays it up a little bit. it's magic, isn't it, to see the family fired up like that. keep in mind, millions of people are watching, happy for them to witness. he pointed to people that she will not attend the national service of thanksgiving tomorrow at the cathedral. the queen greatly enjoyed today's birthday parade and flypast, but did experience some discomfort. it goes on to say that her majesty, with great reluctance, has concluded she will not attend that service at the

cathedral. knowing how important faith is to the queen, it will be something she decided to do with huge reluctance, honestly. i guess in a way it's not surprising given the fact she wasn't able to make, really, the short journey from buckingham palace to the parade ground at the other end of the mall behind the camera there, so to go all the way to the cathedral, it just looked like that was going to be too much for her. again, though, i think she will be sad. i think it will mark something else, too, about what we've seen today. we see people looking with pride at the past but also look being -- looking to the future and understanding we are seeing a change to an era, the slow end of the era of elizabeth ii and the beginning of a new era of the royal family. what's amazing about what we saw today, and it would have been choreographed by the queen herself, we really saw a new

shop window, if you like, for the royal family and the queen putting forward charles, william and even little louis, as well as the other youngsters, william and kate's children, of course, saying, look, there is a future from this royal family that we can be proud of. >> all the working royals on that balcony. suzannah, what's your thoughts? >> it's not surprising, though, as we look back on the last few months, you saw william representing her at the state parliament, and then today representing her at the trooping of colour. in religious and now military terms, he has stepped up to act

in her place, actually, in the same way she did for her father when she was princess in 1951. in fact, as we go further back in time, as edward did for queen victoria. so there is this legacy of when we get to the end of the older years of someone's life as a monarch, it is natural that some of the responsibility is taken, and now it seems that quite a lot of the responsibility has been taken by prince charles. it is part of his transition. >> we are living through changing times. >> this is what we can expect. >> suzannah, thank you so much for being with us. and keir, thank you as well. and thank you to our producers in the control room of louis covering his ears so many times. one more time for the crowd. it even made my stage manager, mike, smile, and he swore he wasn't going to smile during this. he said he didn't care. but right now he is smiling. i can see it underneath that

mask. so thank you. it's a good way to end the show today. keir is also the host of a new podcast called "born to rule: when charles is king and his place in the royal family," the man who one day will become king. that will do it for me today. hallie jackson picks up our coverage, next. today your money never stops working for you with merrill, a bank of america company. coverage, next

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