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president biden in just a few hours from now set to address the nation from the white house as we learn chilling new details about yet another deadly mass shooting. the 20th mass shooting since the uvalde school massacre last week. the president expected to deliver what's being called a major address tonight to push congress to pass stricter gun safety rules. and in an attempt to do just that, that's happening right now in the house judiciary committee in the building behind me here. bipartisan talks are also happening in the senate.
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straight ahead we'll get a reality check on where all this goes. we're also live in tulsa where the police revealed a gunman who shot four people bought his gun just four hours beforehand. in uvalde, texas, as more and more kids are being laid to rest today, a state senator revealing the officer in charge never got word that children were calling 911, basically calling for help. mike memoli is covering the white house, blaine alexander is in tulsa, oklahoma, thompson is in uvalde, texas and we're joined by security analyst clint watts, former head of the counterterrorist division. i think you can't technically
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call it an address from president biden. why now? >> we learned that the president would be taking to the white house and in prime time tonight, we noted it was a rare instance of him using the biggest stage a president has to use the bully pulpit to paint the case for gun action at a critical moment. when the white house made their announcement of making it official, i thought it was significant that he would be, a, talking about, of course, the recent episodes of gun violence, most pointedly the horrible situation in uvalde, texas that the president saw firsthand himself, but that he would be using the speech to press for, as they put it, commonsense action on capitol hill for gun safety measures. that's significant because we know there's been this question and there often is in the case of presidential leadership of, is it helpful or harmful to the efforts we know are so sensitive, so fragile at the capitol for the president to weigh in this way. clearly the white house has made it clear they believe the president has done everything he can by executive action, though
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they're still exploring further actions, but he's done more than any president before him. but they feel this is a moment that uvalde has galvanized the nation in a way we haven't seen since ten years ago in sandy hook, and the president wants to make this case, the moral case, the urgent case, when he asks where is the backbone to congress to get this over the finish line. we got a preview from the vice president who spoke a few minutes ago. let's take a listen. >> all of us hold the people of tulsa in our hearts, but we also reaffirm our commitment to passing commonsense gun safety laws. but we cannot, as an administration or those of us who are here, address this alone. no more excuses. thoughts and prayers are important, but not enough. we need congress to act. >> hallie, you know this is a president who on the judicial committee wrote the assault
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weapons plan, the brady bill. president obama put him in charge of executive orders that could be taken. now he's president of the united states trying to make the case that this can be done and should be done. it's also worth noting, though, what we heard from the president yesterday about these negotiations on capitol hill, he was asked if he was optimistic that a deal could be reached. he said yesterday that he's been in congress too long to be optimistic, but the white house scheduling this event is an indication they think this can help move the needle in the right direction. >> i'm glad you're working your sources on that one. blaine, i want to go to you in tulsa. this is yet another mass shooting that's captured the country just days after a school shooting. >> reporter: we're learning stunning details about this, hallie. we got what was very much a
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candid news conference from officials here this afternoon in tulsa, and we learned that essentially the shooter had a personal vendetta against the doctor. this is a shooter who had just come in for back surgery just about a week -- just a little over a week before this shooting took place, and police say that he, quite frankly, blamed the doctor for what he calls ongoing pain. he said he had called back to the office repeatedly. he had even come back for a follow-up appointment just the day before the shooting. the other timeline, though, when you kind of lay the two on top of each other which makes it incredible is the timeline when he purchased those weapons. he also did that in the same area of time when he had that surgery. then on the day of the shooting, just about two hours before he walked into that medical center and opened fire, he purchased an ar-15 rifle, also purchased legally. police say they found a letter on this gunman after they say they came in, they announced themselves, he took his own life. when they searched him, they
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found a letter where he announced, he spelled out his intent. take a look. >> we have also found a letter on the suspect which made it clear that he came in with the intent to kill dr. phillips and anyone who got in his way. he blamed dr. phillips for the ongoing pain following the surgery. >> reporter: two things i want to note here very quickly, hallie. the four people who were killed, we learned their names, we're learning more about them. one of them is that surgeon, dr. preston phillips. many of his colleagues talked about him in glowing terms, that he's the physician you would want to see, the type of physician who takes time and care with his patients. there was another physician killed in that attack along with a receptionist and a patient there. those are the four victims we're learning more about. the other thing we want to highlight is police response. this whole thing started and
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stopped within ten minutes. within three minutes of getting that call, police were inside. they were announcing themselves as they came onto the second floor, and they say after they announced themselves, that's when they heard the gunshot that they believe was the shooter taking his own life. they said they believe that fast response kept this from getting much worse, hallie. >> as we talk about the response in tulsa, let's also talk about the response in uvalde, texas. priscilla, some questions of what happened there. there are some questions about whether the officer on this was aware of the 911 calls coming from inside. >> reporter: pretty shocking information. senator roland gutierrez who represents this district held a press conference a short while ago, and he said that the 911 calls that those students were making inside that classroom with that shooter as they were calling for help, those may not have been going -- in fact, were not going to the school district police. they were going to the local uvalde police.
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and the reason why that matters is because we've been talking about the incident commander who was on-site when this happened, and that that was chief pete arredondo who is the school police chief. but now the senator is saying those calls may not have been going to him. and, of course, he is believed to be the person, officials say, who told all the officers there that this was not an active situation, that this was a barricaded subject, so they need not engage with the shooter. i want to play a little bit about what the senator had to say about that new information that we're learning and what it means in the grander scheme of all of this. take a listen. >> last week we were told that the 911 calls were going through the incident commander. that simply is not the case. we have all failed. there's been a lot of failure here. to the one family i've spoken
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to, their daughter was shot one time only, bled out. i can only say we are sorry. >> reporter: you see the senator there very emotional, calling this a complete and utter failure in communication. he says that everyone involved in this really needs to take a hard look at their agencies and what went wrong here. and he's also saying that for those folks who were saying that allow these families to bury their children and then we'll get answers to these questions, he's saying, no, that is not the case, that people need to be pushing for these answers and this transparency now, that these families should not have to wait six months or a year to get the information about what happened here and what went wrong. hallie? >> priscilla thompson, nbc news correspondent, thank you. memoli, thank you as well and
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blaine, thank you. how would it be that the incident commander would not know about those 911 calls there? >> i think we have to remember what kind of town this is. it's not new york city, it's not integrated in the way we would expect in terms of law enforcement, the way they rehearse and the way they communicate. in these smaller towns and smaller police jurisdictions, a lot of these drills, a lot of these communications have just not worked out. i think you saw that in uvalde. i think it also speaks to how much training can all police departments around the country do, what are they resourced to do, and is this the number one thing they're going to have to do moving forward. it seemed like active shooter drills had taken over a lot of police response and activity, and we have worked over the last 20 years since columbine, and particularly in the last decade, of how to respond to active shooters. but hallie, just the volume of
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active shooters, we talked about one each week. we're also talking about sending law enforcement who are armed with ar-17s. this is how they learn and communicate. we have a contagion effect going on right now where one shooting kicks off another shooting maybe for an entirely different reason or cause, but the effect is the same. and the second part is the impact of these shootings, and that has to do with the weapons. i'm sure when president biden speaks about it tonight, we've seen three attacks total in two weeks. people are outgunning law enforcement. we can talk about a quick response time, but most of the deaths are occurring within seconds, if not minutes, of these individuals entering, and they're using high-powered
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assault rifles. when you look around the world, you do not see attacks of this magnitude, because yes, there are attackers, but they are not carrying semi-automatic rifles that they just accessed and bought three or four hours before. >> you're making two points. we saw on the screen there have been 20 mass shootings since uvalde a week ago here. you talk about shooters being able to purchase these weapons hours before the incident happened. that is what we saw in tulsa, according to police there. would a federal waiting period have helped in this instance if there was some sort of cooling-off period, if you will, between the purchase of the gun and being able to obtain it? >> i think so, hallie. it slows down the emotional trigger that oftentimes lead to it, especially these with a revenge motive. or maybe when we have a contagion effect. we had buffalo, we then had the attack on the school in uvalde, we then have this attack we're
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talking about in tulsa. that timeline is accelerated and access to weapons accelerates it even further. it slows down the options people have despite their motive and can do a mass killing spree. there are other very reasonable recommendations like gun safety, dealing with mental health issues, and a third one, which is gun owner insurance. we're talking about allowing people to go and buy a semi-automatic weapon at 18 years old, but we would not allow them to drink. we would put some sort of controls for them to drive that we need to have proof of insurance in a license. this is a killing machine. that's what the ar-15 was designed for, was to interdict and kill, and we're giving them to people with none of these measures in place. it just seems like basic gun safety. i think a vast majority of americans, gun owners and non-gun owners, are supportive
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of all these measures. >> clint watts, thank you. and let's talk about some of the reforms, possibly, that clint just laid out. there is the debate going on now in the house judiciary committee as we speak. take a look at some of the back and forth here. >> we have a war on the children of america. >> you are not going to bully your way into stripping americans of fundamental rights. >> where is there outrage over the slaughter of 19 fourth graders and their two teachers? >> it's regretful that democrats have rushed to a markup today. >> tell the parents who have lost children. tell the family members who saw loved ones slaughtered that we're rushing. >> talk to us about what's happening in the judiciary committee now and what's going on on the senate side. >> you just showed it there,
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hallie, a meeting of contention, senators saying enough is enough. kids are being slaughtered and they are saying this must happen. others are saying the second amendment is sacred and gun rights should not be tampered with. the more pertinent negotiations in terms of making a law are happening in the senate where, as you know, hallie, republican support is necessary to break a filibuster. now, a bipartisan group is talking about a much more modest set of measures that essentially fall into two buckets. the first is money. money for mental health, money for school safety. the second more fraught bucket is changes in laws to prevent guns from getting in the hands of dangerous people. that could include red flag laws, it could include something on background checks which would
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likely be different than congress has attempted and failed to do in the past. my republican sources say the key person to watch is john cornyn, the senator from texas, who has been tasked by mitch mcconnell with leading negotiations on behalf of his side. why is he essential? mcconnell trusts him. cornyn is important to get things signed off on again, and as we've seen in the senate, mcconnell seems to be necessary to break a filibuster in that chamber. that's what this all boils down to, hallie. what is the self-styled grim reaper willing to support more and more mass shootings from happening in the united states? democrats are encouraged that he responded to the uvalde shooting by saying, something is wrong here and we need to pass something, but in the senate, there is always pessimism in doing something about guns. >> thanks to both of you.
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later we're going to take you inside this meeting we just showed you with congressman mondaire jones. what we know about bill barr's surprise appearance on capitol hill here. and later our reporting on race and schools. why the first ever black superintendent in a rural mississippi district has been put on leave less than a year into the job. >> is this about race? >> i didn't want this to be about race. race
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legitimate 2016 election results. and now the gubernatorial candidate is now cooperating with the committee. mastriano was seen there. do we know anything else about this bill barr sighting? >> reporter: not surprisingly, he didn't stop to answer reporter questions when he walked out of this conference room where he met the january 6 committee. but also not too surprising, hallie, is that he did speak to the january 6 committee. we learned back in mid-may that he was in talks with the committee to speak formally. that comes after we know that he spoke informally with several committee members before that. so else now -- as of now, he asked to speak before the committee. we know he resigned several
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weeks before the january 6 insurrection at the capitol in mid-december. despite that, hallie, there is still a lot of information he could offer the committee because he was with president trump before, during and after the election. he has said in a book that he published earlier this year, as well as in several television interviews, including one with our own lester holt, that after the election he opened several probes as attorney general to look into whether former president trump's claims of widespread voter fraud were true. he said that after he looked into this, after he found out that there is no widespread voter fraud, that he told former president trump, that trump was furious and he offered his resignation in december. but what he can offer the committee is president trump's thinking before and after the election, information that went into those probes, what they talked about, former president
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trump's feelings. he said he was furious just talking about what really went on in the room when he had these conversations with trump. inc. the real gut check here, hallie, is he's just the latest in the former trump circle to speak in the last couple months. we heard from mayor giuliani, jared kushner speaking with the committee. it's no guarantee that his testimony is able to kind of check off these outstanding boxes on the committee's to-do list, but what it tells us is that the committee is actively gathering as much information as it can to be able to tell the most comprehensive version of what happened on january 6 when those public hearings begin on june 9. we just learned the secretary of state, brad raffensperger, has confirmed that he testified in front of a grand jury in fulton county. this is former president trump
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looking to overturn the legitimate results of the election there. 23 jurors have been impaneled on this jury. coming up, the once prominent michael avenatti was just sentenced to a life behind bars. we're going to ask one of those members, congressman mondaire jones, a member of the senate committee, next. e your full financial picture. this is what it's like to have a comprehensive wealth plan with tax-smart investing strategies designed to help you keep more of what you earn. and set aside more for things like healthcare, or whatever comes down the road. this is "the planning effect" from fidelity.
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jones. thank you for coming back on the show. >> thanks for having me back. >> i know that you understand politically this bill needs 60 to pass. talk about advancing a bill that may only get through one chamber and not the other to pass. do you feel this is necessary to make a point? >> this is absolutely necessary. for what it's worth, i'm not giving up hope that there will be 10 republican senators of good conscience to join my democratic colleagues and i to pass commonsense legislation that is broadly supported like what you just described to end gun violence in this country. i was 11 years old when columbine happened. as horrified as i was, i never imagined that mass shootings, especially in schools, would become the norm.
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this is an american problem, and regardless of what my republican colleagues decide to do, democrats have to act in this moment and we have to show the american people that we are fighting tooth and nail to end gun violence. >> as part of this fight, would you support what this bipartisan group of senators is working on, proposals that are said to be more modest coming out of the judiciary committee focused on red flag laws? even if the package doesn't go as far as house democrats may want it to go, is that something you could still get behind? >> these things are not mutually exclusive. we should pass the legislation that we're able to pass this congressional term, even as we fight for all of the things that would be required to end gun violence, including, but not limited to, a ban on assault weapons. these weapons of war have no practical use being in the hands of civilians, and we have seen the same or similar weapons used in a number of mass shootings.
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>> to that point, we just got this new dear colleagues letter out from speaker pelosi. she says she plans to lay out a variety of bills in the coming weeks on the floor, including an assault weapons ban which she says will save lives. do you think that's something that will pass? >> i am not giving up hope on something the vast amount of americans want. independence is capable of being passed this congressional term. i've got to have that hope as someone who believes that this congress can act to do its job, to fulfill an oath that we were sworn to, to protect the children of america, to protect americans at large. this is not rocket science, this is nothing that should be controversial, this is something that the nra is trying to block and is using its chokehold, its death grip over the republican party today to keep from turning
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into law. >> before i let you go, i want to ask you about the redistricting in your state which, as you know, created a bit of an uproar among democrats. you've been pushed into another district by the head of the national party arm on the house side, sean patrick maloney. many think this puts them in jeopardy. are you upset with this? >> redistricting has brought different primaries in the state. i'm proud to be running in a district that has given so much to me, and many folks know i made history back in 2020 as america's first openly gay member of congress. this gave birth to the queer liberation movement, and yet it's never had an openly gay representative in congress. i'm proud to say i'm fighting for the communities, whether
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it's a rescue plan, being a leader in the investment and jobs act, also known as the bipartisan infrastructure bill and the house version of build back better, and more recently fighting to end gun violence. i'll put my record up against anybody's in this beautifully diverse district that i know so well and i've spent so much time in. >> congressman mondaire jones, i appreciate you taking time for us. >> thank you. an attorney disgraced and behind bars. we're talking about michael avenatti spending four years in prison for stealing from stormy daniels. back in february, he was convicted of wire fraud and identity theft for pocketing about $300,000. talking for daniels and criticizing then-president
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trump, he is also charged for extortion and wire fraud, basically a series of charges with threats he made over nike. joining us is correspondent tom winter. tom, bring us up to speed on this. >> the four years he's been sentenced, two and a half years will be served consecutively. he was due to get out in 2023, but this will be extended to 2025 or beyond that. another year and 18 months will be served concurrently, meaning it will be served at the same time for that last chanch. taking money from stormy daniels, avenatti, over the course of several months, began to essentially steal $5,000 of
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the $8,000 advance payment by e-mailing his publisher saying, you can just wire those payments to me, and you have no reason to reach out to stormy daniels because i am representing her and i am the agent. over the course of that, he was able to take the payments away, particularly after daniels started asking questions as to why she wasn't receiving them. this marks the end of avenatti's legal saga. he had the two nike cases, this case and now it's over. for him he's going to be spending at least the next several years in federal prison, and that kind of marks the end of this chapter for him. according to the associated press at the courthouse today, he was dressed in beige prison guard and did admit to his wrongdoing and essentially his cataclysmic fall from grace, hallie. >> tom winter, thank you for that. next up, breaking news coming out of the white house. what date this month the covid
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correspondent josh letterman who is in rehoboth beach in delaware and is with the president there. this has the green light for the covid vaccine for this age group. many parents, as you know, have been looking at this. now he put a date on it, tuesday, june 21, where they can have shots in ernest. however, they're not readily available, it may take some time to ramp up. >> reporter: i think what the white house is trying to do is get ahead of the ball that the fda has not yet completed. the white house can't start shipping vaccines that haven't yet been approved, but what they can do is the moment the fda completes that process, which dr. jha is predicting will take place right after the advisory committee has a meeting on the 14th or 15th, that they have
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vaccines ready to go in arms as soon as possible. there are about 10 million doses they have acquired in moderna and pfizer. states can begin ordering them as soon as tomorrow, and the minute this authorization goes through, those vaccines can then go out. they're supposed to be prioritized to the highest need areas, and a few days after that, june 21st, you could potentially start seeing vaccinations of children under five, the last group to be eligible. the other thing dr. jha is pointing out is that most of these children, if they are vaccinated, it's going to happen at their normal place where they get medicare, at their pediatrician's office or a pharmacy, not some local site for children to be vaccinated. >> while i have you, there is another health issue they've been working on, and that's the baby formula crisis. others have used increased
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flexibility to get this formula in to the u.s. what does increased flexibility actually mean and tell us about the approval process for this stuff. >> it means bypassing some of the peculiarities here in the united states. baby formula lists its ingredients in a very specific order. the european companies that make it, they may not comply with that. it doesn't mean their products aren't safe, it doesn't mean it isn't a quality product, it's just different. so what the fda is doing in terms of labeling, in terms of some of the requirements for testing at sites is let them be evaluated for safety. about a quarter million doses is
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from nestle that they say they'll be able to import over the next two months, hallie. >> josh, thank you. turning now to what happened overseas is where volodymyr zelenskyy say russians now control a fifth of the ukraine territory. he also add that had more than 200,000 kids have been forcibly deported to russia. as russia moves on to eastern ukraine, officials announced they are going to put new sanctions in place against government officials and oligarchs and try to prevent russia from getting new technologies. richard brink returned to kyiv and met with president zelenskyy today. holly hunter has more from ukraine. >> she presented her indication
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with volodymyr zelenskyy today. she got the chance to ask a quick question. >> by the u.s. assessment, is ukraine winning and how long is the u.s. willing to give this financial support to ukraine? >> president biden's gain, congress' goal is to support ukraine and help ukraine ultimately prevail through this assistant package that has been recently signed, previous assistance and future assistance. >> she also addressed that new $700 million package which includes what ukranians have been asking for for months, which is more artillery power for rocket systems. we've been talking about that pocket on a map, that pocket where severodonetsk has in that region. whether they actually get into
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ukrainians' hands fast enough is questionable because ukrainians need to be trained on these, then they need to get into the country and move to the east. severodonetsk holds on and has every chance of a quick liberation. pretty optimistic. zelenskyy said russia occupies 20% of the country. that's a big number. but severodonetsk is the most strategic city in that region. it is a huge no man's land, and ukranian troops that are still there and haven't retreated are hanging onto a part of it. there is no -- no humanitarian
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one school that's majority white and one school that was majority black. the white school had much better facilities and it had all of the gifted and talented, and black students, colleagues and they're saying she's been targeted for it. take a look at her story. >> nadesha joins is an honors student, and she and her friends have become activists, questioning the school board to place the first black superintendent dr. kenetra easy on leave after she was hired. >> the only thing that was ever surprising to me was the fact that we ever got a black superintendent that brung out all of the disparities and all of the discrimination that has been going on. >> was it important to black students to see the first-ever black superintendent?
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>> yes. >> it was very -- >> according to dr. easy, trouble began soon after she took the reins of the rural mississippi school district she describa separate, but unequal. the district's gifted and talented programming is at the predominantly white stringer campus. the remedial programming at predominantly black-based schools. >> stuntds at bay springs would take drug education whereas student at stringer would stake theater. >> dr. ezi was concerned about the facilities. there was no ac in the school's gym for almost seven years. dr. ezi wanted to improve the building quality. calling the tern to 20-minute drive too far. one parent sent dr. ez ian anonymous letter. >> a parent told me that i was being watched very, very closely. they had no right to try to make
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changes. >> when you look back at that letter now was it prophetic? >> it was absolutely. when i was hired i was told don't poke the bear in stringer. leave stringer alone. >> then on march 3rd, the school board called a special meeting. multiple white employees spoke out against dr. ezi, some saying she'd created a hostile work environment. black employees spoke in her support. >> is this about race? >> i didn't want this to be about race, but the facts are about 20 white employees came forthwith concerns about the first black superintendent in the district. >> the board voted to place dr. ezi on leave pending termination. the next morning her office had new locks. >> hi, my name is antonia hilton. i'm with nbc news. nbc news placed numerous calls and, mails to district and state officials. all refused to provide any comment for our story.
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one stringer parent spoke to us outside the local post office. >> are you at all surprised that it looks like she's losing her job less than a year into it. >> yeah. it seemed from what i hear she was causing problems as soon as she came into it. >> do you think this would be happening if she were a white man? >> i don't know. i think you need to get off the racism thing and just get along and do your job. >> dr. ezi is still waiting for a hearing. she's been replaced by a white acting superintendent. student activist nadesha hopes dr. ezi is reinstated and with every passing week. >> dr. ezi is not only waiting for a hearing, but she still has not received a letter or email outlining exactly why the district is actually moving toward firing her. so she feels right now like she's completely in the dark. not only that, but she says that
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she's been experiencing hostility and she went to a recent baseball game and was asked by the stringer principal to leave part of the premises and nbc obtained video of this incident that shows how much this tension has spilled over into the community and we're into the summer and she still does not know about the status of this job. antonia, i appreciate you bringing us updates. findous twitter @hallieonmsnbc and nbc news now our streaming channel, tonight and every week night for show number two at 5:00 eastern. "deadline white house" with nicole wallace starts right after the break. nicole wallace starts right nicole wallace starts right after the break. but fire is no match for the fire within black dreamers everywhere. and so, new black wall streets rise.
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