and delivered to your door in as little as one hour. ♪♪ good afternoon, everyone. it is 4:00 in new york city. i'm john halman in for nicole wallace again. the epidemic of gun violence has turned america into a country where even before those ripped to shreds in one horrific mass shooting have been mourned, laid to rest we find ourselves grappling with the next act, or really act, of senseless slaughter. this country where the level of gun violence is so staggering and appalling that the president feels compelled to take to the airwaves in prime time for the second time on this topic in just ten days to plea with congress to do something, anything, to curb, if not end the madness. joe biden will be making that appeal from the white house in

just a few hours. his remarks coming after a harrowing 24 hours in america yesterday when one gunman shot and killed four people inside a hospital in tulsa, oklahoma, before turning the gun on himself. the shooter whom officials say purchased his ar-15-style rifle just hours before he barged into the facility looking for a doctor he blamed for ongoing pain after back surgery. the tragic attack in tulsa was not the only one to take place. a prison inmate in dayton, ohio grabbed a security guard and fatally shot him. outside in los angeles, a student was shot outside a high school. that incident now among the two dozen acts of gun violence near schools that have taken place since the start of 2022. according to one count there have been 20 mass shootings just since the rampage in uvalde, texas, last week, which of course, became the country's deadliest mass shooting this year, just ten days after a

white supremacist murdered ten people and wounded three others in a supermarket in a predominantly black neighborhood in buffalo. "the new york times" reports on an alarming trend in the shootings in you buffalo and uvalde. quote, six of the mass shootings were committed by people who were 21 or younger representing a shift for mass casualty shootings which before 2000 were most often initiated by men in their mid-20s, 30s and 40s. uvalde, which is in the midst of a two-week long process of visitations, funerals and burials and there are new revelations. as the massacre unfolded last week, a would-be negotiator deployed in a funeral home across the street tried frantically to reach the gunman via cell phone uvalde mayor don mclachlan said on wednesday. in an interview with "the washington post," he rushed to the hillcrest funeral home about

15 minutes after the first call that the shooter had crashed his pickup truck nearby. he doesn't believe the negotiator was aware the children were calling 911. the mayor did not hear the shots from across the street. mclachlan when shouted down the governor nominee beto o'rourke, when he confronted greg abbot at the press conference last week, also urged republicans and democrats to find a compromise and supports expanding background checks. it is this bipartisan loud outcry for action from the mayor of uvalde to officials across the country to the man who sits in the oval office and for the world of sports to pop culture that is fueling efforts on capitol hill to find a way forward at long last on gun safety legislation. house democrats held hearings today on a comprehensive set of

reforms thanks to the filibuster. a separate push by a bipartisan group of senators led by chris murphy appears to be making some progress. a source telling nbc news that the senate negotiators have a, quote, framework for a compromise. >> joining us now in our conversation is washington posted white house bureau chief ashley parker and writer at large for the bull work, msnbc contributor tim muller and ed cullen back this show. he's been writing on mass shootings for years. the best-selling book "parkland. the birth of a movement." ashley, i want to start with you just because joe biden is about to give this -- this second prime time address in ten days on the same subject. tell me about the thinking of the white house and the president who hasn't done this many prime time addresses to get

back on prime time and make another appeal. i don't know what else he will say, but certainly make the same kind of appeal that he did last week. this is a president who has not on any topic delivered a ton of prime time addresses. that in and of itself is notable and it is also notable that the first address he gave when he literally basically got off air force one from his trip to asia and went to the white house and addressed the nation after at the time was the latest shooting and there was a defeatist tone to him that we don't often see from joe biden which is an optimist and he said i hope not to be here again and yet, here i am, and so you know, this is the way generally and not just on this particular issue has been aware that this president and he himself has been frustrated and needs to be seen more out there, more as a quote, unquote, fighter and it's one of these

weird positions or frustrating positions for the white house where there's not much he can do via executive action and it all hinges on congress and really in the senate and there's not that much he can necessarily do to urge something through the senate as we've seen, and in some ways an unpopular democratic president is not helpful getting involved and it's an area that he cares tremendously about. he was vice president when sandy hook happened and five days after that shooting and president obama deputized him as the unofficial gun czar. this is an area he's been fighting on unsuccessfully for almost a decade and he wants to show that action absolutely needs to happen even if again, he can't make wave a magic wand and make it so. >> obviously he was a big proponent of the assault weapons ban that got passed when he was a senator three decades ago and it's something he's cared about

for a long time. in recent years there's been more frustration than achievement and accomplishment and a president who is in the position that joe biden is in with an approval rating that is not in a great place, they usually don't take on fights where they expect to lose. that's not usually the playbook. there's a political risk involved here in doing this. what is it that you think that the white house is and why that risk is considered not maybe one that he can't afford not to take, but maybe one that in some way by taking it he can take a political benefit. what's the thinking there? this is not a slam-dunk speech by any means. >> well, the white house would tell you that he is taking this on because it is the right thing to do. they would say there's no political calculation whatsoever. this is something he feels and this is a national tragedy that needs to stop and that's why he's taking it on. now politically, there have been murmurings inside democratic circles including the white house that on issues that should

be broadly, politically popular such as, for instance, no more mass shootings in our schools, the democrats for prescription drug prices and not just limited to this issue, and even if they can't win and even if they can't get the republicans onboard and they can't get members of their own conference onboard that they need to be fighting for things that are broadly popular with the american public and while the public has different issues on guns there is broad support for common sense gun reforms such as something like background checks and the macro of no more mass shootings, everyone can get behind them. that is a good, political thing to be seen as fighting for. >> i'm going to treat you like the professional political communicator you once were and ask you about the challenge involved here in doing a speech like this, where so many people in the news media and so many politicians have all had the same message basically which is

stop the violence, end the madness and these are common sense reforms. what's wrong with us? these are things that we should be able to pass and the things that 85% of the public supports whether it's red flag laws or raising the age from 18 to 21, but that is interesting given that everyone says the same things and they were talking points i wish i agree with entirely, but for a president to give the second speech on the same topic in ten days and that poses communications challenges. i'm curious how you would advise a president in this position about how to deal with that? >> no doubt. look, i think the challenge for biden is something that obama faced in his second term and he was a more naturally skilled communicator and yet he still faced it. how do you not sound adrift and effectless in these situations and not able to get anything done and not get any political boost out of it? i think the only answer to that

that i have is to really just narrowly focus on practical things that can get done, that people want and that the republicans are standing in the way of and not kind of give these sorts of broad-based, generalized speeches that don't advance the ball anywhere and just one example. i watched the recount and they had the video of jim justice, governor of west virginia, very red state. he seemed open to moving the gun age from 18 to 21. moms and dads, i can tell you, moms and dads do not want any high school kid to be able to get online and order two assault rifles and 370 rounds of bullets. that is not popular. it might seem popular among like laura ingram's viewers or whatever, but that is not popular among the mass audience. what i would say to president biden is focus on that and focus

on the things that directly respond to the carnage and the horror in uvalde and buffalo and say we cannot let these 18-year-old kids who can't have a glass of wine at dinner order weapons was war online without oversight and that's an insane problem we have in the country. there is broad appeal and certainly among the romney-biden types of voters that he's been struggling with and they appeal with maga voters. in our focus group, even some maga voters were for this. that's what i would do, focus one or two things and put the pressure on republicans to be on the side of letting 18-year-olds order these guns online. >> so dave cullen, you were not a professional communicator, you are both a citizen and an expert. i want to put up some numbers hence the scale of the gun epidemic and then i'll ask you about biden as an expert and citizen. 311,000 students exposed to gun

violence at school since columbine. 311,000 since columbine. 2929, 2,929 mass shootings since 2013. 233 mass shootings so far this year. that's from the gun violence archive in "the washington post." so the body count is horrific. the frequency is numbing to a lot of people. at the same time they're horrified and they're also to some extent, and they despair. people are angry and people are full of despair. they watched presidents republican and democrat alike over the last 30 years give speeches and not be able to move the needle. what do you as an expert ore citizen want to hear from joe biden tonight as you watch on your tv? >> i want to hear some more aggressive proposals. you know, we've got the appalling numbers that we've shown and they're weak responses, begging for

background check, red flag laws and raising an age from 18 to 21. all things we should do, but come on, how many of these will we stop by raising the age of 21. it's a no-brainer, but these are things on the margins. i'm doing a big magazine piece right now where i'm looking at the history of gun safety in the last 150 years and what's been successful. very little and some of the reasons it's failed and the history of this movement has been shooting really low, getting your bills and compromising the hell out of them and these weak, do-little bills that all they do is inflame the gun side and accomplish very little, and we've had years of asymmetrical voting which is one of the reasons politicians won't pass the stuff is because people -- they have the right people voting and gun safety people rarely voting on it until it started to change in 2018. one of the things to figure out

is you've got to give people something to vote for. if you're just running out of background checks which everybody kind of knows, great idea, but that's really not going to solve it. why wouldn't you spend your vote on that? when you have climate change, the economy and maybe funding wars in ukraine and all sorts of different reasons to vote. why would you spend it on guns when your side isn't running on anything or running on some weak, namby-pamby thing. if you want to energize your side you've got to energize your side. that seems pretty basic. you want bold measures. biden says we have to do these three things now and here is our list of much bolder things which he ran on in 2020 that we are demanding for the midterms. >> tim miller, i want to come back to you because you and dave have different prescriptions of what joe biden should do and

dave's focused on more of the moon shot. i want to get to what's actually happening lear and chris murphy and the senators are up there negotiating. as we reported earlier, there seems to be a framework. i want to play chris murphy on "morning joe" as far as what's being ney gosch wrated and i want to hear chris murphy and talk about whether it sounds more to you like the dave cohen prescription or the tim miller prescription. let's play chris murphy. >> we're talking about a bill that will make a difference and save lives, but it's not everything i want. not even close. it's red flag laws and improving the background check systems and more money for mental health and there are other issues that likely will be on the table, but our hope is that it breaks the logjam. i've tried to be very clear with my republican partners and other republicans that i'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good and in 2013 i wouldn't have settled for

anything less than comprehensive background checks and now it is important to show republicans that there is political reward for voting with constituents that the sky doesn't fall. weal see if there's room there to have it done and they have friends there that have a lot of credibility and that makes me feel good about my chances. >> he's someone you don't want to argue with because he's fighting a righteous fight and a righteous cause, but in 2013, he let the perfect be the enemy, as as i could. that is not perfect, that's already the least ro you can do and 90% of the american public, something less than com

preprepreencive background check and what is the point as dave suggest. what do you think about that. no thank god there's someone like chris murphy. my big criticism is i don't exactly know what they've been doing since the infrastructure bill. not much, and so i do think there needs to be a two-track plan and having somewhere like chris who is in a safe blue seat who is trying to be practical and trying to get to 60 votes. god love him. good thing he's out there doing it and the democrats simultaneous to that need a campaign plan that takes the fight to the republicans and tries to start to win the fight on this issue, for once. my opinion is to maybe not go with the daily barrage of the moon shot of things that aren't as popular to try to rile upon your coin basin and stead focusing suburban moms and rile up suburban dads who switched

over to biden this last time. you don't want to go into a school with another kid who can buy a gun legally. six of the last nine mass shootings in schools were by kids under 21. i think that is a big step. it's not anything that we want either, and that's a big step that would galvanize a certain type of voter that would be of benefit to the democrats and put the republicans in a really bad defensing posture where they're defending something that is insane that 18-year-olds can buy assault weapons online. that would be my campaign approach to meld what dave's talking about and what murphy's doing. >> do you think -- at this hour, what is the white house thinking behind closed doors about the state of the negotiations in the senate? i said some progress earlier and the notion that there might be framework. are they starting to be a little bit optimistic that this time it might be different and hey, man, we've been the charlie brown for too many times and we're not going to banks any hope on this. >> it depends on who you talk to

and it has derm democrats in congress. they mentioned toomey had had the background in 2013 that came out of the sandy hook shooting was as you said, hardly the perfect -- there were so many nra sweeteners in there that a lot of people said even at the time that it was modest almost to the point of toothlessness. so it really depends on who you talk to. there are people who said, look, after sandy hook you had 20 kindergartners slaughtered and we don't have time, not just in the segment, but through the entire show and they've been touched by gun violence. we have the lgbt community after the pulse nightclub shooting and we have el paso in the back of that shooting in dayton and you have the black church in charleston and the tree of life synagogue in pittsburgh. you have the red state america and the country music concert in las vega and on and on and on. there are people who say if

kindergartners weren't enough and if all america isn't enough, it will never be enough and it will never get done and then you have senator chris murphy who i talked to after buffalo who basically said this could be a winning issue for democrats and the way this gets done is when they get to run the way republicans do. it's something that whether tim's more narrow, prakt kl piece, and this is something that galvanizes the base and wins elections and that is his view and that is not the entire view among democrats, but that's where the debate is now. >> dave cullen, you tweeted something out that i want to point to. i'm not going to read it because we're running short of time. the gun safety movement desperately needs fresh tactics and this is the best idea i've heard in years and it was connected from the piece in the atlantic and the headline of which says it all. students should refuse to go back to school. so i can read from that. i'm not going to.

i've heard people put forward dramatic things and the dramatic proposals i've heard for the last couple of weeks we need an emmett till moment and we need for the american people to see what these children's bodies look like when they've been hit by these bullets and make them face the ugliness of it and it might be i shocking moment and maybe the only thing that might shock the system enough to change it. they're both designed to shock the system in some way. talk about why you think maybe those are the types of fresh tactics that we're desperately in need of. >> yeah. i think we desperately need new, fresh tactics and creative thinking. take the summer -- take the summer, plan this out. do it right and essentially hold america hostage. families, parents. and the workplaces and just walk out of school and make a demand. that will get america's

attention. by the way, on the long shot, i don't think i'm talking about a moon shot, you know, when you look at the every town list of the top items, nearly every one in that top ten holds well over 50% some with 89% and some of these are popular in america and they need the courage to run on this stuff. biden, what he ran on in 2020 it was an impressive plan and by far the most we've ever seen and all of the presidential candidates were. they need to continue pushing that and push that agenda in the midterm. so it's not like i'm talking about something crazy. he already ran on that and won, but they need to be front and center with it. >> i'll just say, moon shots are popular, too. i didn't mean to suggest they were aren't popular things. they've had a hard time getting them off the ground to date. ashley parker, dave cullen, thank you so much for starting us off.

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we've all been clamoring for this kind of legislation for a very, very long time. i'm stunned by some of the words that we're hearing on the other side of the aisle. where is there outrage over the slaughter of 19 fourth graders and their two teachers? why don't they feel an urgency to do something? one of the children recounted how she took the blood of her dead friend lying near hear and smeared herself with that blood to pretend to be dead. what have we taught our children? this is on our watch! where is the outrage?

>> the powerful roads and raw, motion from democratic congresswoman madeleine dean will be on the show a little later today and today's house judiciary committee on house violence slamming republicans of standing in the way that are in poll after poll supported by the vast majority of the american public. right after congressman dean spoke, greg steube who is appearing remotely from his home brandished several guns and magazines while discussing his opposition to the package of gun reforms package they're putting together. stay classy there, congressman. congressman ted deutsch, also a member of florida, and represents parkland where a gunman killed 19 people at marjorie stoneman douglas high school in 2018. congressman, good to see you. i think a lot of people will ask this question. we'll talk about the bill that you're working on in just a second and there will be a lot

of people who say, who cares? there's really nothing in this bill that will ever get passed given the state of the senate. do you feel that your work while making an important statement actually has a chance of going anywhere or is it just about making that statement? >> well, they can't go anywhere unless it passes the house first, right? and look, i spent part of the afternoon. i've been in the hearing, the markup all day and i spent part of the afternoon reconnecting with the march for our lives kids and let's remember that this is not just a game that's played in washington and this is about the future of our country and kids who are just tired of seeing people die next to them in schools who were afraid to go to school. parents who are afraid to drop their kids off at school. we've got to show them that we can act so that when they take to the streets as they're going to do again, there is something for them to pressure the senate

to move on. >> right. so here's some of the elements of this package, the democratic package that has worked on today, raising the age from 18 to 21. making, and increasing the penalties for gun trafficking and purchases and building on the atf's ban on bump stocks and ghost guns. those are all policies that i think we know a lot of americans support. ones that all seem perfectly sensible to me, and i didn't mean to be cynical when i raised it before, but it is the case that knowing where republicans in the senate are that there's no openness to most of those proposals and i would say maybe to all of them and i am trying to ask the political question of what can house democrats do and what can all democrats do to try to make those proposals that got -- that you guys have been working on make those more pol atable as you suggested on

republican senators. is there something that you guys can do that's different because a lot of strategies have tried over the last 20 years and none of them have gone anywhere. >> yeah. you have to take it out of washington. none of these things are controversial. none of these things are controversial except under the capital dome. think about it. the background check bill, all we're saying if you have a violent history then we'd like to know because you don't have the right to buy a gun. that's how we're going to keep the community safe. that's the background checks bill. raising the age from 18 to 21 would have stopped these mass shootings. some of these mass shootings, would have done it. moving forward to make sure that if you've got -- if you've got guns in your house and kids in your house that you actually store the guns safely to help keep those kids safe or prevent kids from taking guns to school. again, it's common sense.

it's what most people want us to do. this has to be something -- this has to be a battle from the outside and next week when the house passes it out all of a sudden there will be something and they'll say, wait a second. that seems pretty responsible . we'll limit magazines why? if there is a mass shooter they have to change magazines which gives people the opportunity to step in and stop the killing? it's all -- it all makes so much sense and it's so realistic, and i'll just say one last thing. after the parkland shooting in my community, the state of florida which is hardly known to be a progressive center of america raised the age to buy a gun to 21 and put in place red flag laws to help make sure that people who are at risk of harming themselves or others

don't have access to firearms. those are really the steps. that's been used over 5,000 times since it's been implemented. we know that this can get done. we know that there is a whole generation of young people who got involved in politics because of what they saw coming out of parkland, and they see what happened in uvalde. they see what happened in buffalo. they know that they are at risk everywhere they go and they're getting re-engaged in a really serious way. that's how this is going to change. >> i want to show congressman steube earlier brandishing his weaponry in the middle of this hearing, one of your fellow floridians and not necessarily the hot bed of progressivism as that congressman demonstrates, but there is a worst one today. louis gohmert and i always hesitate to play louis gohmert anywhere, but this was so outrageous and disgusting that i thought it was worth giving air time. let's play louie gohmert

disseminating the worst kind of disinformation, gaslighting and every infective i can hurl at it. you'll know what i'm talking about when you see it. >> how dare you? you think we don't have hearts? it's just that when we look at the things that you're doing and you're trying to do to america, we've seen the carnage. i mean, for heaven's sake. let's take an example. democrats control the major cities that have the worst murder rates. that's right. your ideas have been shown to get people killed! >> so congressman, your colleague there, congressman gohmert said it's democratic ideas that are getting people killed. i'd like to hear you respond.

>> look, my colleagues who like to talk about being tough on crime. here's an opportunity. exactly what the representative was talking about. how about we actually pass this bill with his support that cracked down on the people on the traffickers who are taking the guns from states with lax rules to states with tighter rules? that's one of the things in the bill. i'm not -- i'm not going to get into a discussion. i don't want to respond to his suggestion that democrats are somehow responsible for this. the outrageousness of that statement speaks for itself, what i urge him to do and i urge all of my colleagues to do, is to think about all of the families in our country who every time another one of these school shootings, grocery store shootings, walking down the street shootings, anything all over the country, hospital

shootings, think about the lives who the families that now have a hole that will never be filled. that's what we're trying to address. that's what we're trying to prevent and we're trying to stop more families from feeling the hurt and the pain that too many people across america including 17 families of my own community feel every single day. that's how i would respond to that outrageous assertion. >> congressman, you are very classy, and i would just say as people wonder why nothing ever gets done and you see a republican congressman in this week of all weeks waving guns around and magazines around in the middle of a hearing and then you have another republican congressman standing up and try to blame democrats -- i don't know what kind of weird jujitsu, it's almost impossible to fathom and it tells you how difficult it is to do what 85, 86% of americans want to do on the

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explores the far right gop over the years and miami-dade county by the proud boys, the nationalist group at the forefront of the capital insurrection. there the group has seen its largest political success by far and its concerted effort to influence the republican party from the inside at the local level. the times reports that, quote, at least half dozen current and former proud boys have secured seats on the miami-dade republican executive committee including, quote, adherence who face criminal charges for participating in the capitol attack. the effort has, as the times put it, quote, destabilized and dramatically reshaped the republican party that former governor jeb bush and others built into a powerhouse nearly four decades ago, transforming it from an archetype of the straight-laced establishment to an organization roiled by internal conflict. joining me, counter intelligence

agent peter strzok. tell me about this. >> it's taken place across the country. >> i suspect it's going on across the country and it's important for your viewers to know that the proud boys aren't your strange uncle harry and complaints about a sciatica. these are folks who from the very top and enrique tarrio along with five other folks, and engaged in the insurrection. there was another proud boy in florida who has been charged with assaulting police officers who also distinguished himself by calling the fbi agent who is investigating him and his home address to him and later texting the fbi agents, vehicle

identification number to him. these are folks across the board who aren't just in the far-right wing and part of the group that is engaged in violence and has done that in a way that has been charged across the united states primarily, but not limited to the january 6th insurrection. when they see these folks engaged in local politics. they have a history of engaging in violent activity and that's not going to stop at the door when they roll into an executive committee meeting and that's something that the new york times article points out is playing out with violence in these meetings with the republican party at the local level. i want to get more to that in a second and tim, i can remember in 2016 in the republican nomination fight seeing you down in south florida, when you're working for jeb bush and someone i know you worked hard for and who you admired and someone who

was a colossus for a period of time in the florida republican party, politically and until now in terms of his control of the party. here's the thing in the new york times. jeb bush supporters fell in line with trump, gabriel garcia, 37, pled not guilty to charges from the capitol attack said the party was once the province of country club republicans. i knew people in the committee, were supporting people like jeb, mr. garcia, and when trump won, pretty much everyone started falling in line. as to the evolving identity, mr. bush, your former boss, and out of party politics and can't comment on what is going on now. i feel like the thing of gabriel garcia, and it's what would happen to the republican party and talk about how this could have happened to who was once the party of jeb bush in the sunshine state.

>> he wrote this article in "the new york times, and was doing that in 2016 it's not just in miami and across the country. miami and the hot bed of globalist, the new republican party that was going to be pro-immigrant and pro-trade, and demarco used to be that jeb was for a vibrant, diverse party and when you came to the announcement in 2013 and it might have been the most diverse, political that ever asked and the cubans and venezuelans and this is what the miami republican party was and it was supposed to be the future. that has been totally up-ended there and nationally and been

replaced by these thugs and these nationalists and, and far right activist, and miami that's happening in the central committee. you're waiting on the ballot and people running for secretary of state and insurrectionists and the thing that frustrates me is people who used to be in my shoes and the marco types want to make it seem like we have our crazies and our central committee and so did the democrats and the responsible people at the top and that's not what is happening in the republican party. underneath the surface, the crazies, the proud boys and the far right, the nativists and they're taking over every single party institution at the local level all across the country and miami is just a stark example of it. >> so, pete, you talked about the consequences of this, and the meetings and the party meetings become chaotic in the times piece and i want to ask a

longer term question which relates to one of the proud boys in this for and that may seem like a naive question and we know that after january 6th the new york times started gathering across the country and we have phil bump of "the washington post," what's the far-right trying to build power for and other extremists want power to hold power in lieu of the left doing so. it emerges explicitly and a sense of many on the right that they, often meaning christian whites are embattled retaining power and offered forms of protection and they say they'll try to protect themselves and what do you think they're after and what do you think the future holds as they start to make more in roads and the local political apparatus. >> i think it's correct that there is a strong racial element

and it's a western shop and it's a thinly veiled fig leaf for what is largely a white nationalist agenda for what they are after is political power to espouse those views at the local level and the second thing concerning is the realization, particularly in the investigations following january 6th that if they were to continue coordinating this at a national level and a centralized level that would make them more open potentially in the prosecution and to do what we've seen terrorist groups do time and time again and that's devolve the power struggle from across the land which makes it from the law enforcement perspective to the extent people are engaging in violence and to the extent people are engaging in violence for political claims and that makes it harder for law enforcement entities to find out what's happening and to get ahead of that and stop it before

it occurs and at the end of the day, the goal is political power towards what in many instances is a racial and read that to be a white nationalist agenda. >> here's strzok laying out reasons, florida is not a place where i want to spend a lot of time in the future and thanks, pete, for coming on. >> donald trump has called this the most important election of 2022. a congressional seat that will remain in republican control, but it's meaningful to him because it's all about his own vindictiveness. a look at where his contest out in wyoming, stands today coming up next. wyoming, stands today up next.

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week and has not really campaigned as vigorously as she may start doing soon. >> so i want to stick with this question because i find it really frustrating, absence of reliable polling on this race, you see a lot of numbers thrown around, she has a ton of money in the bank. $6.7 million i think. her opponent who is an odd, she has like $1 million. you would have thought that all that money would not guarantee her election, but would put her in a strong position. and you just pointed to some reasons why that might not be true. is it just really the case that you can't go against donald trump in wyoming no matter if you are a cheney, no matter you have all the dough, all of it? >> well, frankly, i don't think that we know yet. you see there is not a lot of great polling as you said. and also in wyoming, you can

switch over. trump is trying to change the voting laws for people who were democrats and independents and others could not switch over and vote in the republican primary. and they failed in that. you know, former president trump is quite popular in wyoming, but we have seen some of his influence fade in recent months. look what happened in georgia, he says that i'll beat bri kemp because they would not help him. and kemp won by 5 #.kemp because they would not help him. and kemp won by 5 #. 2. and so you will get other states, idaho, alabama, and other places where he has expressed displeasure with governors. even in red states he has not been able to unseat some of those folks. so we'll see what happens here. certainly wyoming is a ruby red state and certainly liz cheney appears even by the council for advisers seems to be in political peril there, but i don't think that we know enough

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>> it is 5:00 in gotham city. and the man you saw who said the data will be very compelling is someone who knows a lot about what the january 6 select committee has in story as its televised hearings get under way next week. a former congressman worked on the staff until about a month ago helping to piece phone records, and other information collected during its investigation. and last night riddleman attested to the shocking nature of what he and his colleagues found. >> my team was the first to actually see the test messages when we were able to link the numbers and names together. so to look at it, it is almost a roadmap to what happened. and a lot of the tests haven't come back, thankfully i think that the committee will do a great job of linking those text messages to the other interviews and data that they have. but i think what people will

understand is how horrible they are. when i first saw them, my be moussement turned into horror pretty quickly when i saw some of the language being used. i actually had to get away from the computer a couple times. and starting november 3, november 4, all the way to the end, takes roadmapnd i would have to say i think that mark meadows is the mvp for the committee. i think that they should pay him. the data that we got from there actually allowed us to structure an effective investigation. >> so it sounds like mark meadows will be at the center of those televised hearings that begin one week from today. it will be followed by seven more sessions in which the committee will lay out what all it has learned after conducting more than 1,000 interviews and reviewing more than 100,000 documents. while the witness list hasn't been made public, but a former federal judge and lawyer who advised former vice president mike pence is expected to appear.

axios reports, quote, the desire to showcase luttig, a judge lionized within the conservative legal movement, matches what some sources have described as the committee strategy to reach as broad an audience as possible including conservatives. luttig who served on the u.s. court of appeals for the fourth circuit was a key behind the scenes figure in the leadup to january 6. he furnished pence with the legal argument that the vice president used to publicly reject trump's unconstitutional order to overturn president biden's victory. and just this afternoon, former attorney general bill barr spotted leaving the conference room used by the january 6 committee. we know from previous reporting that the committee had already spoken with barr and last month two sources told axios that the former a.g. was in active discussions with the committee to appear for a formal transcribed interview. and that is where we start this hour with some of our favorite reporters and friends. betsy woodruff swann is here, also with us here, jackie, who

is our investigations reporter and the one and only barbara mcquaid. jackie, let's start with bill barr on the hill. what do we make of that? >> yeah, we've known for a few weeks now that the former attorney general who quit in december of 2020 prior to really the majority -- biggest thrust of the former president's attempts to overturn the results of the election took place. and, you know, i think after publishing a book detailing some previously unknown information about his interactions with the former president, he was all but obligated to cooperate with the committee to a certain extent. haven't gotten an explicit readout of what barr might have told officials, but i've said before with nicolle, but he can

speak to sort of the broader mindset, tone and attitude of the former president and his disregard for the constitution and the law and his continued push to use his position to stay in power even though it was against the will of the of the people. and i think that that is an important part of the case that the committee is trying to build, that the former president was purposefully in bad faith trying to overturn the results of the election. he was told by people like the former attorney general himself and other top officials in the department of justice that there was no such evidence of election fraud, that those officials wouldn't go out and publicly say it even though trump consistently asked for them to do so. and that he knew and was well aware that there was no evidence but continued to publicly claim otherwise. >> betsy, a thousand interviews and 100,000 documents. this is a big investigation. and now the committee is going to try to boil it all down into

a relatively limited number of public hearings. i'm curious about what you think about how they are approaching that task, the task -- the political task, legal task, the story telling task, all that -- a lot for this committee. and i'm wondering what their mindset is as they get ready to go. >> one of the biggest challenges the committee faces right now is just having enough people going through and processing all this information to try to make sense of it. remember, the committee also videotaped a significant portion of the depositions that witnesses appeared for, which means that in addition to paper, in addition to transcripts, documents, emails, texts, they also have video. how will they use that video, how much time will it take to process what is likely thousands of hours of video, this is just -- an embarrassment of riches for the committee, but it itself is an enormous challenge because going through all this stuff takes time. and they are staring down a very

hard deadline that is both self imposed and imposed by the political realities of the upcoming midterm elections when most experts predict republicans are very likely to flip the house of representatives. that said, they have some really important allies in their court from that viral footage that you just played of bill barr walking out with his meeting with the select committee. one thing that jumps out is the entourage around him, it appears that there are at least two very senior trump administration doj lawyers who accompanied him for that deposition. that is just a reminder of the extent to which the vast majority of the political appointees in the justice department, in the final weeks of trump's presidency, were people who were incredibly concerned and disturbed by the kooky theories that were frothy

about. and trump's lawyers basically said hell no to what they saw happen and the fact that the lawyers were willing to quick en masse is one of the most important pressure points to keep january 6 from being even worse. >> barb mcquaid, denver riggleman has a counterintelligence background, brought on the staff to basically be a technical kind of staff member almost, to be able to deal with a lot of the data that they were going to have to parse. he comes out on anderson cooper after having not been on television throughout the entire time that he was on the committee staff, does an interview last night, and essentially said that mark meadows is the key to everything, that the meadows texts are central to the whole investigation and certainly the story that the committee wants to tell. what did you hear when you listened to riggleman and if i'm right -- he said mvp for the

committee. what does that indicate about where the committee is going about the case in front of the court of public opinion? >> i think that was a significant statement that he made. this is somebody who has read all of the emails. we've seen maybe some selected pieces of them here and there. he even said at one point it was so disturbing that he had to walk away from the computer. this is a man who served in congress by a republican and he was appalled by what he saw. i think that this is going to be very powerful evidence when people see it. i do sometimes worry, you know, as a lawyer, you are always trained to underpromise and overperform. i do worry that some of this may not live up to the hype. we've also heard representative difference jamie raskin talk about how some of the new details will blow the roof off of congress. but they both know what they are talking about. they have seen them. and so perhaps it will live up to the hype. but where it is going, i think that it does suggest if mark meadows is involved, he is the chief of staff to the president, he is the closest person at his

elbow when all of these meetings are happening. he knows what is going on with the president, who he is talking to. who he's on the phone with. on mark meadows is as close as you get to the inner circle and he is right there with president trump. so he does seem like a key player. donald trump doesn't use email or text messaging, so meadows may be the closest proxy to that. >> and the chief of staff is many say the second most powerful person in the country. so a big deal. and the other person who seems to be in the crosshairs is vice president pence. let's play a little bit of an adviser to mike pence and now we know will be one of the only witness we absolutely know will be testifying, let's play a little sound. he talked to bill kristol a few

weeks ago. we'll talk about it on the other side. >> i believe that we're in greater danger, if you will, today than we were on january 6. the collective reaction i'll say has really been just the opposite of what it ought to have been. namely we have a complete denial of the 2020 election. we have a denial of the significance of january 6 for our country. and we have a continued war of really -- i hate to say this, but we have a war going on now over america and over its

institutions of democracy. >> jackie, that is a republican, a man who as i said earlier has great standing in the conservative legal establishment. what does it tell you on the basis of what you can intuit, on the basis of what you reported, that he is the first witness that has kind of been signaled going to be appearing and the role, importance that it suggests that the committee is placing on the pressuring of mike pence? >> right, and i should remind our viewers, this is someone who clarence thomas the conservative justice once clerked for. he is a former appeals court judge and he has some serious conservative credentials. but it is not necessarily judge luttig who is expected to tell the pence story up to january 6 and the day's events. but also mark short and brad

jacobs, these are people who have already appeared for private interviews and depositions with the committee. and according to the excerpts released of those depositions provided pretty detailed information of -- you know, the word betsy used, the various pressure points when people like trump's attorney john eastman was making the case for pence to reject the results back to the states to make that decision, or overturn the former president's defeat in the november election, so these will be really important voices potentially to appear during these public hearings. i'm not necessarily sure yet in what context judge luttig could be appearing as the committee is still putting together the outline to tell the arc of the story of what happened in the leadup to january 6 and on january 6. but again, you know, we are not expecting the former vice

president himself to appear. and so voices like this, people who were in touch with him, who were actually with him, as they were under siege in the capitol after the vice president was escorted out of senate chamber where he was presiding, could be really powerful. >> and we talked a little bit ago about bill barr and there is obviously -- the whole history of the 1/6 committee is a story about the efforts of republicans to stone wall. and betsy, you have reporting about one particular republican who was subpoenaed by the 1/6 committee who is now cooperating the doug mastriano, he has decided to come forward and cooperate in some way. so it he will us about your reporting on that.tell us about on that. >> i obtain the full tranche of

documents that he provided. and what is interesting is how little is actually in there. the vast majority of the materials that matriano produced were just screen shots of public social media posts. there were two documents that cast a bit of new light or additional confirmation on the work that he did to bust upwards of 100 or more people from pennsylvania to washington, d.c. on january 6. so that they could be at the rally which of course led to the violent attack on the capitol building. but my guess is that the committee investigators who look at this document production from mastriano will be a little bit underwhelmed because when they specifically asked him to share materials, they said very explicitly that they did not want him to share anything related to his official work as a lawmaker. he was and still is a state senator in pennsylvania. and one would assume that in mastriano's view, all this election resistance work that he was doing including hosting a

hearing which rudy giuliani in gettysburg, pennsylvania he was doing in his official capacity as a lawmaker. so the question is does the committee decide that that final third rail is one that they actually will be willing to touch. however, what we also now know from this report is that mastriano has agreed to sit for an interview with the select committee. so even if they don't get everything in writing from him that might necessarily be more revelatory than what they have right now, they will be able to grill him in person and try to secure more information about the role that he played. of course he was important then. he is much more important thousand because he -- if he wins the election in pennsylvania for governor, he will be the chief officer in that state supervising election enforcement. that is something that gives chills to a significant number of people. >> yeah. very significant. barb, i want to end with you and ask you this question, which goes back to something that betsy said earlier, we talked

about the number of documents and video and amount of information to be processed and relatively limited number of hearings that will take place on television here. and there is obviously a huge difference between trying someone in a court of law and trying someone in the court of public opinion. and this, if you add the difference of venue and the difference of purpose to the complexity of this case and the amount of documents and amount of video, it raises kind of a bunch of questions about how well equipped this committee is to do what it needs to do. so i guess i want you to talk about that, about how a bunch of lawyers trained to be lawyers now have to basically put on a television production and tell a story to the american people that is a little bit like what they would do to a jury but not nearly as technical and not as rooted as in black letter law. >> i think that it will be a big challenge. we're asking people who are by nature sort of ponderous and detail oriented to produce something that is compelling.

there is a big difference between what we see on law and order or these compelling television dramas and what we see in a real courtroom. i remember a time when my father-in-law came to watch my husband try a case, i thought it was fascinating and i asked my father-in-law afterwards what he thought of his son's performance and he said, oh, its of so tedious, all that detail! and i think that lawyers are really going to have to check their own biases and their own habits to put together a very compelling story. i think the materials are likely there if you can tie text messages in real time to what was happening at the capitol, and show what donald trump was doing at that time. i think that you can show a really compelling story. but i think that they have to stay 30,000 foot and not get too bogged down in the minutia. >> the competing challenges for members of the 1/6 committee. don't get bogged down and the other is don't get so imam orred of listening to yourself that you take up all the time by giving long windy speeches.

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as we were just discussing, it is a monumental task that the house select committee faces. figuring out exactly who was involved and telling the story to the general public. in his interview last night on cnn, former committee staff member denver riggleman was asked how high up these efforts went. take a listen to this. >> when you see text messages that have all three branches of government involved and the one that bothered me was the forwarded text to mark meadows for chief of staff for louie gohmert, we had wife of a sitting supreme court justice, chief of staff a congressman and chief of staff of a congressman on one text message. when you talk about the language that they are using, this fantastical language, this call to arms, when you see -- you know, the five most chilling

words was i hope this is true and you are talking about gitmo and at the top levels of government, i would say that the committee would have the act to see what goes on there. >> joining us now, madeline dean, one of the managers during trump's second impeachment. i want to start on the 1/6 stuff. that riggleman bite is viking because we all seem to have forgotten about the thomas controversy. there is a lot going on. that was an incredible controversy for about a week and then everybody kind of moved on to other things. do you think that that will become the thing that denver riggleman talked about there, the involvement of a third branch of government and the way in which all of this seems so coordinated, that will become a central feature in what the 1/6 committee will be laying out in this coming month? >> good to be but, john.

and i'm really looking forward to what the 1/6 committee will do. i've been thinking about it and what they will layout and of course i talked to my colleagues who were serving on the committee and their challenge is to as you pointed it out to coherently and concisely put forward the details they have collected. they have now interviewed more than 1,000 witnesses. they have tens of thousands of documents. some of which some of your reporters were just talking about. and with mr. riggleman, absolutely chilling is the fact that probably we will see all three branches of government involved in some places in the planning, the coordination, the strategies, the meetings, the funding of what took place on january 6. it is extraordinarily chilling. but i do think what this committee will do effectively is they will paint the picture, you know, i had the solemn honor of serving as impeachment manager

with jamie raskin as lead manager for impeachment 2. and you know how quick a time frame we had to put together our trial. and to put forward what we knew in as compelling a fashion as we could. having no chance of interviewing folks. and i believe we did a very compelling job because the narrative was so clear of what took place that americans attacked our capital, our seat of government, and it was incited by the former president, the president who lost the election. and then he sat for hours and did nothing as his own vice president and all of congress was under attack. they will now paint a much more vivid picture of the very things that we show and they will have thousands -- a thousand witnesses to call from, tens of thousands of documents to put the pieces together and in a compelling way for the american people. because the most important part

of this story is our democracy was under attack, and continues to be under attack. so what did some of these layers like a doug mastriano, the republican nominee for governor in my state, what did he do, how did he coordinate the planning. i know some of the documents will reveal his rental of buses through his campaign account with selling tickets to 120 or 130 folks who went on the journey with him, what else did mr. mastriano do, what did he know, what did he help fund. this is important to the american electorate. >> i want to ask you a question that i often ask politicians and almost never do i get a satisfying answer because it is a tough question but i'll try it with you. you were involved in the second impeachment, you were one of the managers. if you were being honest and you were giving your colleagues advice and you looked at the way that you guys did -- you said you did a good job, i think that you guys did a good job, you

didn't have a lot of opportunity dots kind of investigation, everything you said is true. but if you were to be self trit critical and say here are lessons that we learned, things that we didn't do as well as we could have, to be candid, here is what you should try to avoid. i said you have to stay out of the weeds and not get too enamored of your own voice. not saying that you were, but generally a good thing that congress people should follow. are you things that you could have done better on reflection? >> no, but i'm a former professor of writing. so keep it simple is what my advice would be. use clear language. don't get caught in the weeds and multia syllabic legalistic teams. and also what we did, tell a story. people think in stories. they don't think in legal arguments. they think in stories.

so tell the story. what was going on, who was involved? who was involved from the inside, the political, whether it is members of the house, the senate, sadly the executive and judiciary connections, but then who was involved from the outside. what were the outside organizations. and if you can weave that narrative together, make the people come to life in their responsibility for what they did, keep it simple, keep it clean, keep it accurate and precise, i think that is the best advice i can give. i don't think that this committee needs my advice to be really honest. i was extremely impressed by the professionals i got to work with, the team behind it are extraordinary. and meticulous. but i think keep it simple. keep it clear. keep it something that ordinary americans can understand the horror and the danger and the

precarious place we almost went and we are in danger of possibly going again. losing our democracy. having somebody not satisfied to accept his loss and instead trying every strategy including the possibility of coming down with a sort of militaristic takeover of the government because he didn't like the outcome. we have seen autocrats around the world do such things. american people need to know that we were at risk and continue to be at risk right here in plain and simple terms. >> i want to get on you guns before we run out of time. you are on the house judiciary committee. we had your colleague on a little earlier. and biden about to give another primetime address about this issue. that is really the focus of my question. what do you want to hear from joe biden tonight, is the white house come doing enough, what would you like them to do organization all of that.

>> to be honest, i'm in the judiciary suite of rooms right now in between this markup, it is not quite over. it has been a long day, but a powerfully important day. we have an omnibus package of bills. we came here in an emergency fashion under the urgency of yet another school massacre. i'm somebody who is a person of hope. i have hope on the side of the senate. that the conversations, the bipartisan conversations going on will bear some fruit. and i thank senator murphy for his guidance there. i have some hope -- i believe that we will pass this omnibus bill in the house. i know that it will likely not be taken up by the senate. but i will add to that hope that this president is a president for this moment. we will continue to fight. this is a president who understands grievous loss, losses of his own children, his own spouse. this is a man of compassion, of heart, he is a grandfather like

i'm a grandmother. he gets that we cannot allow this slaughter to continue. so i am hopeful. and praying. that at this very dark, dark moment for our country, 45,000 people died of gun violence last year alone and now we're coming off the heels of these two extraordinary slaughters, grieving however many and the daily toll of gun violence and also suicide by gun. i hope that this is the moment and i believe this president could be the one to bring about this opening, this opportunity for change. >> congresswoman dean, we played a bit of sound from the hearing today of you earlier, very raw and powerful and emotional testimony. thank you for that. and also thank you for spending some time with us here. when we return, new reporting from the state of georgia where republicans are hoping to contain the damage of defeated and fuming frothing losing his mind former president trump. that is next.

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when a political party pledges undying loyalty to a man who sees phantom rigged elections in every shadow and behind every door, eventually that party gets a taste of its own medicine. consider what is happening in georgia. brian kemp clobbered david perdue by more than 50 points. after the race was over, even

perdue himself pleaded with georgia republicans to rally around kemp in november. but as the atlanta journal constitution notes, the unifying calls sharply contrast with the message from trump who earlier this week fired off a mass email declaring that, quote, something stinks in georgia, linked to an error filled essay from a far right author. and so in case you are noticing a pattern, you're right, there is a pattern for trump, neck and neck races, rigged. last competitive races? rigged. blowouts? well, those are now rigged too. seems everything is rigged. joining our conversation, greg bluesteen. and also amy stoddard and also the one and only rick stingle. greg, how big a problem is trump

he behavior for brian kemp and the republican party heading into november? >> it will continue to playing the republican party. still these lies about election fraud in 2020 are still haunting the republican party in 2022 and even governor kemp's thrashing, the word humiliation is probably the best verb to use, he humiliated david perdue. but even that hasn't stopped trump supporter and trump himself promoting election fraud lies. still plaguing republican efforts because even the smallest change in republican voting habits could have widespread consequences in an election in the state as politically divided as georgia where only 11,000 or so votes divided joe biden and president trump just two years ago. >> so trump encouraged people to take a look at a sub stack writer and what i would say is always certified idiot named emerald robinson who wrote in

this email, on primary day in georgia, kemp gets 7 #% and perdue gets 22%. nobody in any election in america gets 74% of the votes. ever. it doesn't happen. obvious fraud. now, i think about all the races i've seen where people get more than 74% of the vote and then i thought about donald trump who in the fight in 2016 got more than 70% of the vote in six states. those were this three person races. but donald trump north of the standard that this emerald robinson person claims is impossible to get. and yet he is sending this around. i find is just so comical. what is to be done about this if you are a republican and you want to rid yourself of the lunacy of donald trump in this area. >> right, well, john, what is interesting about the article by

the lovely emerald is i think that she was exiled by news max so not a credible source. and usually donald trump doesn't scratch around to find an article when he makes a claim about fraud. he just says it happened and many people are saying -- he doesn't of course point as you noted he had large victories sometimes, otherwise he shrimped out pluralities on his way to the norm nation in 2016. but he doesn't note that walker also blew out the field. but what is so obvious here is that both david perdue and herschel walker and jody hice, two of whom lost, were at a rally with trump a while back and they refused to endull think his lines about brian kemp. they refused to endorse perdue -- sorry, they refused to criticize kemp and then both hice and walker refused to

endorse perdue over kemp because they knew that the sitting governor would prevail. the entire party now is rallying around brian kemp because they are so afraid of what donald trump's comments and claims of rigging did to the two candidates for the runoffs on january 5th of 2021 when both democrats prevailed and since then republicans in georgia have blamed donald trump for losing both senate runoff seats and the senate majority. so they are all behind kemp just trying to be quiet about it. i don't see there is anyway although greg has had great reporting about the fact that the governor wants to make amendments somehow so that the former president doesn't overtly campaign against him for the democrat. i don't see how they make -- he will be fuming that the governor didn't steal the election for him there for the rest of the states. >> rick, i'll also point out

again to our friend emerald that apparently thinks it is impossible to get 74% of the vote, donald trump also got 74 respect about of the vote in 1100 counties in america in the 2020 general election. so i guess either those are all rigged or emerald doesn't know what she is talking about. how much is this a cautionary tale because if you talk about rigged elections long enough, eventually it does come around to bite you. right now trump is doing this party no good in a state that they must win if they are going to want to -- have a reasonable chance of retaking control of the united states senate. >> yes, john, i think stacey abrams should thank donald trump for contributions in kind to her campaign. i mean, she lost by i think 54,000 votes to governor kemp. trump saying that the election was rigged, saying that as he said earlier that maybe he

prefers stacey abrams to governor kemp, that could influence a lot of voters, a lot of trump voters who may not come out because they think that something stinks in georgia as donald trump said. so that is a huge help to stacey abrams. i mean, to your last point about the landslide, we used to think that landslides were immune to any charges of tampering whatsoever. i think of joseph kennedy saying about his son's election, look, i'm not paying for a landslide. usually it is the tight votes that people question. but when trump questions a vote where a guy got, you know, 50% more votes than the other, then people also have to start questioning trump's sanity and the fact that he is so animated by a personal grievance that he -- that the people would see that he is not for the republican party, he is only for himself. i hope voters will see that. >> rick, thank you for raising

stacey abrams because we want to talk about her. unlike some people who think that it is something stinks in georgia, we think georgia is a great state. so we'll keep all three folks here and we'll talk more about georgia on the other side of the break. orgia on the other side oe break. life... doesn't stop for diabetes. be ready for every moment, with glucerna. it's the number one doctor recommended brand that is scientifically designed to help manage your blood sugar. live every moment. glucerna. a monster was attacking but the team remained calm.

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for criminals to carry guns in public. he vowed to make abortion a crime with ten years in prison. and while georgians struggle, he gave old school tax cuts to himself and his ultra wealthy friends. just when we need to move forward, brian kemp keeps taking us back. >> general election tv ad is designed to make a statement and it is usually pretty telling about the campaign strategy. so when stacey abrams decided to have her first attack ad on brian kemp, it is worth a closer look. greg, we talked about this yesterday. cornell belcher, he had this theory about angry mom issues and how democrats could capitalize on them, guns, reproductive rights, cost of living, whether you call them angry mom issues or not, it seems like stacey abrams is

thinking along the same lines. talk about how this ad codifies how abrams will take kemp on. >> yeah, one of the important things to keep in mind as you watch these ads is the following in georgia that shows a majority of georgians oppose a supreme court decision that would overturn roe v. wade. majority of georgians back more gun restrictions, background checks, efforts to keep guns out of the hands of people who struggle with mental health issues. and at the same time republicans like brian kemp and other republicans on the ticket had to move further to the right to stave off any republican primary challenge. and they are hoping to maximize efforts on the economy, they will focus on inflation, inflation, inflation all through the november election. so we'll see whether or not these issues can mobilize democrats and give democrats a unifying message going into november. >> and a.b., what do you think about the ad in the context of chaos on the republican side?

stacey abrams is a hero to georgia democrats and she has been clearly the democratic nominee throughout this whole process. she seems to know what she is doing. will it work? >> so i think that stacey abrams has proven that she is the best, you know, vote energizer in the energizer in the country and she's organized and she'll turn out every democrat there is to turn out in georgia. the question of the voters who chose biden over trump in 2020 who might not be democrats, i think, is really critical here, because those are the people that could be decisive -- that will be decisive if they engage for stacy abrams and turn against the sitting governor on issues like abortion. the problem is if you look at the polling biden's approval numbers in georgia are terrible, since he won the election there by fewer than 12,000 votes, and obviously inflation and immigration and crime continue

to drive the polling. until we see a shift in what is energizing that swing block that voted for biden that's frustrated with the biden administration, she's still going to be the underdog. i think she's going to be superorganized and she'll find every voter she can and get them to the polls. she's the best at it. but in this month of early june, david perdue's -- excuse me. freudian slip. brian kemp's race to lose. >> yeah, rick, look, stacy abrams is in the democratic party a superstar. she's not going to have any kind of coat tails from joe biden. if she wins she's not going to need them, i think, because she's going to energize people in the way we talk about. my question is whether that construct she lays out in that ad is potentially a blueprint for democrats around the country -- hitting the republican party on roe vs. wade and reproductive rights, going afterthe republicans on questions of guns and crime, and

then shifting to some of the typical democratic attack issues related to brian kemp giving tax breaks to his rich friends. that seems like a good try um over rate to run on. >> indeed. you mentioned before, angry moms. we used to call them soccer moms in the politics of old. but those soccer moms are still around, and they are angry about abortion, they are angry about governor kemp signing the concealed weapon cushionle carry bill where people can carry firearms from other states into georgia. so i think that is a really good recipe to get some of those independent voters who may have been attracted to trump in 2016, may have heard his siren call about the election being rigged. i think this can lure some of

those people back, and i agree with a.b. she, stacey abrams, is going to lure every democrat out. she's been such a fantastic advocate against voter suppression. she's not going to let voter suppression happen to her again in georgia this time. >> greg, there's a new georgia state law that lets individuals make unlimited contributions to kemp and abrams. one word answer to this question -- is that law as insane as it sounds, going make things as bad in this race as it sounds to me. >> the two word answer is more ads. >> if you're against political ads in general this is not going to be a good outcome for you. that's generally my position. greg bluestein, a.b. stoddard, rick stingle, thank you. we'll be right back. stoddard, rick stingle, thank you. we'll be right back. or... his nose.

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just in -- some breaking news from the january 6th committee. that first public hearing we have been talking about all through the show that's a week from tonight on thursday, that hearing is going to be in primetime at 8:00 p.m. eastern.

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