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at the time trump was threatening toim declare a national emergency in order to trycy to build his pressures border wallur without congressional approval. and it wasco that threat from trump which prompted this counter threat from house speaker nancy pelosi. >> if the president can declare an emergencyen on something he createdin as an emergency, an illusion that you wants to convey, justnt think of what a president with different values can present to the american people. you want to talkn about a national emergency. let's talk about today, the within-year anniversary of another manifestation of the epidemic of gunof violence in ol america. that's a national emergency. why don't n you declare that
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emergency, mr. president. i wish you would. >> why don't you declare that emergency, mr. president. if trump declares a national emergency at the border, she said, just think what a president with different values can present to the american en people. the very a next day, donald tru didt declare a national emergea at the u.s. southern border. and the very next border, the president did elect a president with veryel different values.er tonight that president issued an address to call for action on gun violence in l america. he did not declare a national emergency, but here is some of what he did say. >> after columbine, after sandy hook, after charleston, after orlando, after las vegas, after parkland, nothing has been done. this time that can't be true. this time we must actually do something. we need to ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.hi and if we can't ban assault
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weapons, then we should raise the age to purchase them from 18 to 21. strengthen background checks and safe storagero laws and red fla laws, repeal the immunity that protects gun manufacturers from liability, address the mental health crisis deep into the trauma of gun violence as a consequence of that violence.o these are rational, common sense measures. but, my god, the fact that the majority of the senate republicans don't want any of these professionals even to be debated or comeo up for a vote find unconscionable. let us finally do something. god bless the families who are hurting. god bless you all. >> let us finally do something.
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president biden calling for a host of new gun safety measures and urging congress, republicans in congress to make them happen. only congress can make those things happen, the president is right. p but there are also things he himself cane do to rye and cur gun violence. and things the president can threaten to do if congress does not act, president biden has used his executive authority to crackdown on the proliferation of so-called ghost guns, which are untraceable and can evade metal detectors. but there is still much more the president could do without any republican votes in congress, without joe manchin's help. he could widen the definition of gun sellers to include private sellers, ending exemption from federal background checks. he could create office of gun violence protection in the white house to coordinate efforts across the country. he could lift a ban on releasing gun-tracing data from the bureau
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of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. he could boostar local enforcemt of existing red flag laws. and of course he could follow nancy pelosi's 2019 suggestion and01 declare gun safety a national emergency with all the new powers and funding that entails. those are executive orders he could do. allex of that, though, rather frustratingly, remains in the tr president's back pocket. for nowen the hopes of changing america's gun laws continues to rest with democratic lawmakers in congress trying to strike a deal with republicans, the same republicans who spent the last two weeks gaslighting the situation about the problem we actually face. mitch mcconnell has reportedly dispatched john cornyn to work with democratsn on a new propol to combat school shootings. but listen to the way mitch mcconnell actually talked about those negotiations when asked
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about them in his home state of kentuckyta earlier this week. >> we had a group led by senator cornyn and senator murthy on the democratic side discussing how wecr might be able to come together to target the problem, which is mental illness and school safety. >> we are going to come together to target the problem, he says, which is mental illness and school safety. republicans have gone out of their way topu try and not make this about guns, to not even mentionedno word guns. we saw them time and time again to redirect this to be about school safety, harden schools and limit the number of doors eachth school has. those arguments were ludicrous to begin with, but they were completely destroyed yesterday when a gunman walked into a medical center ined tulsa, oklahoma and killed two physicians, a receptionist, and aa patient. we now know that shooter was armed with a 40-caliber smith
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and wesson pistol purchased on sunday and of course an ar-15 semiautomatic assault rifle which he purchased on the day of the shooting, approximately one hour beforeox he walked into th medical center. republicans now tell us wet ne to harden hospitals as well? is it tooit easy to walk into a hospital in america? too many doors? what about a church or a synagogue or a sikh temple, a grocery store, a bowling alley, or a movie theater. the problem facing democrats at this moment is how to engage republicans on this issue when republicans refuse tos admit wt the problem is. today democrats and republicans on the house judiciary committee debated aee new package of gun f safety bills introduced by house democrats. during that i debate, florida republican congressman said after mass shootings it would be appropriate to start showing off his own guns while zooming into
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a congressional hearing >> this gun would be banned. >> i hope that is not loaded. >> i'm at my house. i can do whatever i want with my guns.i >> i can do whatever i want with my guns. how should democrats debate reasonable gun safety measures when that is what the other side of the debateth looks like? how do democrats make it clear that republicans' opposition to any limitation on guns in america is not just wrong but t dangerous? well, here is one example of how it can be done from democratic congressman eric swalwell. >> 19 kids are dead. 19 children are dead. and so to my republican colleagues, i ask, who are you here for? are you hear for our kids, or are you hear for the killers? because if you were here for the kids, you would do all you could to protect the next shooting that's about to happen.
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and but if you're here for the killers, you would do everything to make it easier for the next school shooting to happen. in so is that the way democrats should be taking on republicans ine this fight? and it is a fight. or does the safety of the american public rely on good faith attempts to the party. joining us now are chris brown, president of c brady, a non-prot organization advocating for gun control reforms. and ezran levin, of in tkweusable. good to see you both. kris, let me start with you. what the speech enough tonight? was it enough, dare i ask, to address this national emergency? >>l i think president biden ju speech of a lifetime, to be honest. b and it's one that he has
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prepared for for many years. first of all, he really acknowledged the huge emotional toll this kind of mass shooting is taking on the national populus all across the country. he was with the families.e he shared the experience of being with them and feeling their pain. and also understanding why so many americans across this country are wondering why, why do we allow this to happen? this is the slaughter of children in schools. and i think it was a hugely important speech. i think that part of what we need to do in this country is really reframe what we're talking about here. . >> yes. . >> and we have been talking about this throughout the b nig. this is about public safety. let's not kid ourselves it's anything different than that.an it's about enforcements of laws that we already have on the books that the national rifle association hass systematicall stopped from happening.io it is animating a huge amount ou
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fear. but it's not about fear related to firearms, it's about fear of easy access to dangerous weapons, weapons of war that many parents across this country we're hearing from are saying, i'mfr afraid to send my childre to school. and i think the 100 senators that are looking at this and trying to internalize this really have to understand americansto are sick and tired, and they're afraid. and they want this congress to do something that is actually a pretty conservative idea. focus on public safety. this this is not hard. >> kris, just to follow-up very quickly, you and other activists have praised the president for using executive orderssi on this like ghostiv guns. he has done a lot with executive orders. but as ie th mentioned in the introduction, he could still do more, right? he could crackdown on gun showsu he could declare a national
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emergency. >> absolutely. we want him tout do that. we're a system of government. most americans looking at this are wondering whether the government works except for the united states senate. because so much is sitting there. it is right for him to say that we need laws passed. because executive action can be challengedus by the national rie association. so he has done r a lot. hiss administration has done a lot. it's right also for congress to act. because i want to make a really important point here. because congress has not acted to establish a national framework n for things like background k checks, the entire risk ofhe gun violence is shiftg to american parents, to american citizens. >> payes. . >>ns we are seeing these proble being meted out across the country andss are demanding change. >>in ezra, the senate ridiculouy is on vacation right now.
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a smallca bipartisan group of senators is meeting to discuss whether they can reach consensus on very basic, very limited set of policies to address gun violence, including an expansion of background checks. how confident are you that they will get it iddone? . >> i'm not confident. we are talking about the senate here. just because i'm not confident doesn't mean it's impossible. we know because of kyrsten sinema and joe manchin, we can't get rid of the filibuster. that means you need 10 republicans on board. am i saying we need mitch mcconnell to do usd a favor? no. the republicans in the senate are not going to do us a gave. but what we do know is mitch mcconnell and the republicans move when they perceive some amount of political threat. when they think, oh, if i don't back down, i am going to suffer politically. so what our job is in this moment -- i'm not talking about democratic senators, i'm talking about all of uscr watching at ts
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moment. our job is to change the political calculus of the republican sentence. that means joining up for "march for our lives" on june 11th. it means taking a cue from the people in houston. ted cruz. get behind us in this. we need everybody. whether democrat or republican, getting involved in this moment and changing what's politically possible. >> so you mentioned, ezra, the ted cruz incident. we have tape of that. that waswe an activist from you group confronting senator ted cruz right after he attended the nra convention that took place three days after the shooting in uvalde. i'll get your reaction on the other side.g in her side
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>> ezra, we're not aware of any public response from ted cruz to that clip or incident yet. but i have to ask, as much as i enjoy watching that and i'm sure people at home say, yes, that is the thing to do, can you really shame people who have no shame? >> oh, no. you can't change ted cruz. he will probably fly over to cancun next week. that's what he likes to do. the point here isn't to shame ted cruz.
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the point is to make it very, very clear to everybody watching, everybody at home watching who is not a partisan on this issue, who isn't a republican or democrat oar independent, they just want common sense gun laws. they are watching interactions between ted cruz and constituents where he says you don't know what you're talking about. we need to face a reality in this country that there is a marginal maga, extremist faction that is controlling policy for the entire nation. they are a radical dangerous minority. we are the majority. if we take the fight to them. this is on guns, abortion, contraception, on teachers, on schools, on our democracy, we are in the majority. they are in the minority. and if we take the fight to them, it makes it more difficult for them to prevent us from doing popular things. . >> we're almost out of town.
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last word to you, kris. you have been campaigning on this for a long time. do you feel like we're in a different moment to after parkland or sandy hook? >> i think we're in a moment where americans are seeing mass gun violence, everyday gun violence and are not feeling safe in our communities. when we have 50,000 americans who have died over the last year since the house passed hr-8, the brady expansion law and the senate hasn't acted, and we have merely 2,400 children killed, people are afraid and they want change. and, yes, it is different. we are hearing from gun owners. we are hearing from americans across the country. they want something to happen. and i think the senators are really feeling that. >> like all of our viewers watching at home, i do hope and pray that you're right and that this time is different. president of brady, kris brown and ezra levin, indy adviceable,
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thank you both. up next, a republican solution to school shootings has been to cut down on doors and send more armed police officers into schools. but the data shows that doesn't work and it has terrible consequences. more on that with jamal bowman straight ahead. do not go away. straight ahead do not go away it's time for our memorial day sale on the sleep number 360 smart bed. it senses your movement and automatically adjusts so you both stay comfortable and can help you get almost 30 minutes more restful sleep per night. save $1,000 on the sleep number 360 special edition smart bed, queen now only $1,999. only for a limited time.
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join nato. >> we have new information about what happened during this mass shooting. >> baby formula is on the way. >> voters are voting on this big primary day. >> the country could be one step closer to a recession. . >> throughout the day, that crowd has been growing. you're watching msnbc. do your job, do your job! >> hundreds of parents and teachers, including a texas teachers union, marched to senator ted cruz's office in austin, texas this week to protest the senator's proposed solutions to mass shootings in schools like robb elementary in uvalde, texas, solutions like this one. >> we know from past experience that the most effective tool for keeping kids safe is armed law
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enforcement on the campus. >> have one door into and out of the school. and that have one door armed police officers at that door. >> at that single point of entry, we should have multiple armed police officers. [ applause ]. or, if need be, military veterans trained to provide security and keep our children safe. >> what stops armed bad guys is armed good guys. >> the thing is, he's wrong. what past experience and data actually show us is armed good guys are not the answer to armed bad guys, adding more police officers to schools does not work. look at a few of the recent mass shootings in this country. it increased after the 1999
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shooting at columbine. a school resource officer was there that day. he shot at the gunman and missed n. 2018, an officer was on duty at marjory stoneman douglas when a gunman killed 17 students. and he his bullet-proof vest stayed outside the building, safe from danger, while students were shot dead. and then of course in the uvalde, texas shooting that killed 21 children and teachers, texas department of public safety says a school resource officer responded to a 911 call about an armed man. the officer drove right past the shooter and mistook a teacher for the gunman. that is not to mentioned uvalde school district police chief who reportedly told the 19 officers positioned outside the classroom where the gunman was killing students not to enter. aside from that, anecdotal evidence of school resource officers or good guys with guns, not stopping the bad guys with guns, there's also this. here's a report in the journal
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of the american medical association. this study examined 133 incidents of school shootings, attempted school shootings between 1980 and 2019 and found armed guards were not associated with a significant decrease in rates of injuries and deaths. in fact, the rate of deaths was higher in schools with armed guards. armed good guys are not the answer to this problem. it's not just adding school resource officers to school buildings doesn't hurt, it is harmful to students, especially for those who are not white. they are more likely to have officers roaming the hallways, police are more likely to punish children more harshly, criminalizing them before they even finish grade school. black girls in particular are
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disproportionately. take the 2015 of a 16-year-old student in south carolina who refused to leave her classroom when her teacher reprimanded her for using her phone in class. this is how the school resource officer responded to her refusal to leave. and i have i to warn you, this is difficult to watch. >> give me your hands. >> horrific. after he dragged that student from her desk, he told another student, quote, i'll put you in jail next. kids are supposed to feel safe in school. all kids. worrying that at any minute for any minor infraction a police officer will physically force you to put your hands behind your back is not safety. it's assault. and it definitely does not stop the threat of school shootings. yet again and again, after school shootings, we see
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right-wing politicians in this country try to convince us we should put more armed officers inside of schools to protect the kids. joining us now is democratic congressman jamal bowman of new york. after the massacre of 19 students in uvalde, texas, he had blood words. he said republicans in the senate helped kill a classroom in children. this makes 214 mass shootings this year alone, all of which they are complicit in. nra donations are more valuable than lives to them. they must be voted out of office. and he is the former principal of the cornerstone academy, a middle school in the bronx. congressman, thank you for making the time tonight. can i start by asking for your reaction to president biden's speech tonight? is it enough in your view as a lawmaker in congress? >> i think everything the president called for needs to be
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done. we need a ban on assault weapons immediately. if congress is not brave enough to move forward with the ban, and by congress i mean republicans in congress. >> yes. >> then we need to raise the age. the president said 21. i say 25. those two things need to happen. republicans, they claim to be the pro-life party but they are more like the pro-death party. for anyone to think we need more law enforcement in our schools based on the data and the narrative and the history you just shared and we need more guns in the schools, they must be out of their minds. we know that more guns leads to more shootings and leads to more deaths. that's just the bottom line. they are so cowardly. . >> congressman. >> yeah. go ahead. >> i was just going to jump in on your rather apt phrasing. you said they're not the
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pro-life party. that i the pro-death party. those are strong words that a lot of your fellow democrats don't want to use. congressman swalwell has spoken out. and gallego. you have others in your party who still think there is a bipartisan teal to be done. where is the democratic party on this when it comes to dealing with republicans on an issue like gun control? >> so, republicans, specifically republicans in the senate, do not want to move the country forward on any important issue. whether it's the women's health protection act, george floyd justice and policing act or common sense gun reform or many other bills stuck in the senate, they do not want to move the country forward. and they support policies that lead to the disproportionate
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killing of children in our country. kids are the number one victim of gun violence in our nation. black and brown people are disproportionately killed by guns in our nation. they are the party of the great replacement theory and much of this feeds into that. when you talk about it from the perspective of black and brown people. but they're also a sick party that allows our kids to be slaughtered on a consistent basis. well over 3,600 school shootings since sandy hook. what -- we are a sick nation >> let me ask you this before we run out of time. you heard me talk about school resource officers. you, as an 11-year-old, we have discussed this before. you said you were assaulted by police as an 11-year-old. you then became the principal of a middle school.
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two personal informative experiences. talk about police in schools and what happens if you have more police in schools. . >> well, i can talk about when i was a dean of students before becoming the principal and the police consistently targeted my students because of their quote-unquote miss behavior. they target them more aggressively because they are black or brown. i myself had to stand toe to toe in between my students and police to stop police from arresting my students. when there are more police in schools, because of the explicit and implicit racism that still exists in law enforcement that we don't deal with consistently, black and brown kids are going to continue to suffer and we are going to continue to support the prison pipeline. ban on assault rifles, more support for kids and teachers overall in preparedness in terms of recognizing the red flags
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that are happening in your schools, about you not more officers and more guns. republicans are wrong on this once again >> we will have to leave it there. jamal bowman, congressman, of new york. thank you. appreciate your bluntness on this particular issue. still ahead, as a grand jury in georgia hears testimony from the election official who got that infamous phone call from donald trump pressuring him to find over 11,000 votes, don't forget about another infamous who was by the president's side. much more on her and the power of election she still wields to this day. up next. you don't want to miss this. up . you don't want to miss this.
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she started out as a liberal democrat. in fact, when she was first elected to the oklahoma house in the 1970s, she was in the progressive wing of the democratly controlled legislature. she was a major force in getting the equal rights amendment ratified in oklahoma. she authored the bill to offer universal preschool. the first woman in the house to chair an appropriations committee. when she married her second husband in 1984, she agreed to take her husband's name but only if he agreed to switch his party registration and become a democrat. then they ran for lieutenant governor as a democrat under her new name, cleta mitchell. but then cleta mitchell began to change and people have been
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puzzling for years over what happened. some of her former colleagues think it was her loss for the lieutenant governor's race, a loss she blamed on ungrateful teachers unions. others thought it was the influence of her second husband, that he changed had his party registration but not his conservative leanings. and her husband's conviction on bank fraud changes a few years later when she blamed on overreaching government regulation. whatever it was, by the time she got to washington in the '90s, she soured on this whole liberal idea of helping the less fortunate. she said she used to sit in the state capitol thinking of all the good things i could do with other people's money. but once she had to earn the money herself, she found she was a bit less generous. with her background as a democrat and her new found fervor as a republican she was courted by washington's conservative activists and she became a leading lawyer for gop
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candidates and committees. including the national rifle association. she also became a vocal anti-gay crusader and worked diligently to push gay republican groups out of the party, saying they promoted the homosexual agenda. in the midst of that, a reporter tried to ask her about her divorce from her first husband in 1982. he later came out as gay, became an aids activist and died of the disease in 1991. cleta mitchell shut down the interview calling it a hit piece. for most people that would be enough of a political journey for one lifetime. liberal democrat and pioneering women's raoeupts advocate to anti-gay lawyer for the nra. but she wasn't done. i'm sure you remember donald trump's infamous phone call to georgia secretary of state in the weeks after the 2020 election, the one where then president trump berated and threatened georgia's top elections official telling him to find nearly 12,000 votes so
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joe biden could be overturned. guess who was on that phone call helping him to make his case to the election. >> mr. president, this is mark meadows, chief of staff. you also have the attorneys that represent the president, kurt and alex and cleta mitchell, who is not the attorney of record but has been involved. >> you have all these different people that voted, but they don't live in georgia anymore. what was that number, cleta? it was a pretty good number too. >> the number who have registered out of state after they moved from georgia. and so they had a date when they moved from georgia, they registered to vote out of state, and then it's like 4,500, that right in front of me. . >> and then they came back in and they voted. . >> they voted, yeah. . >> all we have to do, cleta, is
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find 11,000 plus votes. >> that's all we have to do and we can overturn this election. she had been working hard for weeks on crazy schemes to keep trump in power. a month before the call she was maling the chief of staff outlining a multipoint plan for georgia to toss out the popular vote and declare trump the winner. when that didn't work, it was time to pressure the secretary of state to do it instead. and when that didn't work, when joe biden took office, despite all her hard work, well, she set to work making sure the next election goes her way. "new york times" reporting this week that chree ta mitchell is working with the republican national committee who will hound elections workers across the country. her training manual advises recruits to be ever present inside elections offices and to essentially conduct surveillance on elections officials to determine which ones are enemies. they have already driven one
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county election official out of office. the registrar in democratic fairfax county, virginia resigned after he said cleta's mitchell group subjected him to months of interrogations and accusations of fraud. even as mitchell has been involved in this democracy undermining project, she got herself appointed to a federal election advisory board last year. i kid you not. trump appointees held a federal civil rights agency hostage, refusing to let it do its work, unless they got to put an ally on the board. now mitchell advises a federal election agency on how to administer elections. i'm not making this up. and the moral of this story, especially for democrats, is that when people aren't held accountable, they don't go away. they don't keep their heads down and move on. no. they double down. they go from trying to overturn the last election to actively
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working to undermine the next one. but there is still the possibility of some accountability for that georgia phone call, for that effort by donald trump and cleta mitchell and their allies to tamper with the election in georgia. a grand jury in atlanta is investigating that plot. and today they heard from their first big witness. that is next. do not go away. is next do not go away
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11:30 p.m., former president donald trump took to his off brand social media site to post this. the young, ambitious radical left democrat from georgia who was presiding over one of the most kraoeuplt ridden places in the usa, fulton county, has put together a grand jury to investigate an absolutely, in all caps, perfect phone call to the secretary of state. he continues how he thinks the election was stolen and all his normal nonsense. but pretty telling on a sunday, middle of the night, that was on the former president's mind. he seems a little bothered. we learned that fulton county, georgia district attorney who is investigating president trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia, we learned that she had begun subpoenaing witnesses to appear before a grand jury starting this week. you will likely remember, as we mentioned before the break, this whole investigation got started because of president trump's
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infamous january 2nd, 2021 phone call where he tried to bully a republican into finding him more than 11,000 votes that simply did not exist. nbc news confirmed that mr. raffensperger himself testified himself to the grand jury in the afternoon. he was there for four hours. much to discuss, i guess. so, to be clear, that grand jury has the tape of the call, and they have now heard from the primary witness. i for one can see why former president trump might be a bit nervous. joining us now is barbara mcquaid for the eastern district of michigan and professor at michigan school of law. thanks for being with us tonight. most major criminal probes call their most important witnesses to testify close to last. why do you think they called raffensperger in the grand jury's first week? >> although he is an important witness, he is likely to be a friendly witness. the witnesses that you might
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tend to wait until the end are those who might be more hostile and those where you feel the need to have as much information as possible and to be armed with all the documents so you can confront them with other things you have learned. for raffensperger, he will be a friendly witness, so to speak. his words are on the recording. he always stood firm in his position. i think she wants to probe not only the call but all the other conversations that may have occurred before or after that. it is important to start with him just to educate yourself about what happened. >> the guy has written an entire book about that experience of which he mentioned sitting in his kitchen and his wife listening. and his wife also testified today. the office has audio of trump pressuring raffensperger. we have all heard it, had it for more than a year. what else does she knee? if you or i had made that call, we would be behind bars by now
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>> what she needs to prove is criminal intent. it is an essential element of any fraud claim. they have two components, bad act and the guilty mind. the bad act is pretty apparent. he was demanding that brad raffensperger find these 11,000 votes. if he general inly believed he won, he could say i thought i had lost more than 11,000 votes. and i was asking him to correct this injustice. that's all i was asking him to do. so she has to find out whether there was fraudulent intent, that he knew he lost and he was demanding that he cheat to say he won. . >> he is nothing if not a crusader and corrector of injustice. the january 6th committee just announced the first big public hearing next thursday, 8:00 p.m. live on this network. the committee has said it will
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present previously unseen material. how big an impact do you expect these hearings to have on public sentiment? >> i think they could potentially be very important. there's some people like you and me and many in the audience who pay attention to all the details. members of the committee have promised to reveal new information that has not yet been disclosed, things congressman jamie raskin said will blow the lid off congress. it sounds like there are important things to come. i also think it sounds like, from reporting, that they are using video and text message and other kinds of things to present kind of a multimedia presentation understanding that the public has kind of a short attention span and appetite for small doses. we have all been ruined by watching law and order all these years. they understand they need to make a compelling presentation. >> if anyone can match the cast
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do you remember this photo? donald trump with a very white class of white house interns. it's a photo that went viral, especially when it was compared to this photo of president obama and his last class of white house interns who appeared to be more representative of the american population, shall we say. but whether you're an intern in the obama white house more trump
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white house you can only be an intern if you can afford to be an intern. if you don't have the outside financial resources to work as an unpaid intern, then you are probably not going to work as intern. you will not even be able to fill that role. in a 2019 report that legislative internships create pathways to careers in public service, but unpaid internships create barriers to those pathways. in an effort to topple, the biden white house announced it will, for the first time in recent history, pay its interns. they will be paid $750 a week. however, they will not have a housing stipend or be able to accept third-party fund to go supplement their pay. while the white house is still a long way from removing all the barriers from unpaid internships
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in d.c., paying them $750 a week is a good step in the right direction and will, we hope, invite more low-income students and professionals of all races into their first jobs in government and public service. that does it for us tonight. we'llservice. that does it for us tonight 37 we'll see you tomorrow. "with way too early" is coming up next. i have been in this fight for a long time. i know how hard it is. but i'll never give up. and if congress fails, i believe this time a majority of the american people won't give up either. i believe the majority will act to turn outrage into making this issue central to your vote. enough, enough, enough. >> president biden delivering a forceful prime time address urging congress to take action on gun reform. we'll explain what he's calling for and where things stand on capitol hill. plus, the house committee investigating the january 6th atta
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