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d.c. courthouse where navarro is expected to arrive in about an hour and a half. we've got a lot to talk about and the best people to talk about it. "new york times" chief white house correspondent peter baker. nbc's pete williams. nbc's sahil kapur on capitol hill. ari melber, msnbc chief legal correspondent and host of "the beat." let me start with you, ari, because i saw peter navarro on your program last night. he did not appear, to me, to be a man who thought he might be in federal custody less than 24 hours later. >> that's exactly right. he didn't sound like that. he didn't talk like that. he said he was in some sort of discussions with doj. this began with his public statements about what he called a green bay sweep or an effort to overturn the election, something he thought was legal, he talked about, and defied the congressional request and subpoena to testify about it. he did tell me about it here on msnbc. i said to him last night, if you're going to describe these

efforts to overthrow the election on air but claim that they're secret and privileged and you can't tell the committee or investigators about them, you do realize people can hear you when you're on tv. and he has taken a very certain approach to this. he says he wants to, quote, stand tall. he has maintained that he thinks everything he did was legal. and he thinks he has a legal privilege, as he put it, to resist subpoenas. what the news is today, breaking, as you mentioned, is the doj saying, no, they view this as illegal defiance, two counts for defying lawful subpoenas from the committee. and that brings up to two people now in that face, steve bannon and navarro legally await trial. two other individuals have been held in contempt for that defiance, held in contempt but not indicted. >> pete, let me ask you. i don't know how much or if all of the indictment you've had a chance to read. give us some insights. >> it's very straightforward. it's one count for refusing to produce documents requested by

the committee and a second count for refusing to show up to give his testimony in person. now, according to the indictment, the justice department says he did send communications to the house saying, look, i can't do this. i can't respond because the president has executive privilege here. my hands are tied. you really need to talk to him. it seems to me the problem for peter navarro is that he sent that email to the committee february 28th. that's six days after the supreme court declined to hear donald trump's claim that he had executive privilege, which should shield the documents that the archives was going to send to the committee. trump, you may recall, lost at every stage in the proceeding, in the district court, in the court of appeals, and in the supreme court. so, it seems that peter navarro's claim there that there was some residual executive privilege attached to the president that would keep him from complying was very much weakened by what the supreme court did. i just want to make one other point here in terms of how

quickly the justice department decided this. they decided to indict steve bannon 22 days after getting the referral from the house. this one for navarro is 57 days. it's now 171 days and counting for the justice department to decide what to do about the referral about mark meadows. >> ah, so we're going to get to mark meadows for sure. let me go back because we're fortunate to have peter navarro on the record, again, last night on "the beat." and when ari interviewed him, he was asked whether he was offering evidence or testimony to the committee. and he answered by talking about the possibility of jail time if he would, in fact, be convicted of these kinds of charges that we're now seeing. i want to play that for our viewers. >> the seriousness for me, ari is, you know, the average life span in america for an american male is 76 years old. if i were to go to prison for a year, which is what the

contempted charge could do to me, that would be a fourth of my remaining life. and there would be a fine that would take a significant portion of my retirement savings. so, i'm taking this very seriously. >> fascinating answer, ari. and this is no longer hypothetical, right? and so, you immediately wonder if this is something that changes his mind about cooperation. is it too late? >> it's not too late if he wants to try to come to some accord. he referred last night to facing up to one year in jail. the news today, with navarro's indictment, is he would be facing up to two years potentially on two counts. he was emphasizing his age and what he sees as the burden. it may be that either mr. navarro or others facing this committee see how serious the justice department is, see this kind of pressure, and decide they want to reach some accommodation. executive privilege is a real thing. mr. meadows, for example, has made arguments that may help him in some areas. mr. navarro, as we discussed

last night, doesn't have any asserted or written privilege from donald trump. this whole thing is built on the idea that he thinks he has it, but mr. trump, former president trump, hasn't asserted it toward the committee. that's what has always made this at times a seemingly political and rhetorical clash. there are ways that mr. navarro and mr. bannon and others have leaned into this as a kind of big brawl to show that they really don't believe in the validity of this committee. as pete just mentioned, the supreme court has referred to the validity of this committee. it cleared the way for some documents. that's not a legal question. you're not going to get out of this indictment by saying you don't like who runs the committee, which is what part of what mr. navarro's civil suit filed this week said. he brought that up in our interview, but how he responds to this in custody today, we'll have to wait and watch. >> let's get context. peter baker, you of course

covered the trump administration. tell us more about navarro's role in that white house and maybe what this indictment might signal to other people who are of interest to the committee. >> yeah, peter navarro is an interesting figure in the trump white house. his title was trade and manufacturing adviser. but he roamed quite widely to anything that kind of caught his interest. he passioned himself a coronavirus expert and became involved in debates over lockdowns and masks, fighting with doctors like anthony fauci and deborah birx. he made himself into an election official even though that was not his title in the white house. and all the conspiracy theories involved in the 2020 election, how it was stolen from donald trump. you know, he's not one of the ones who is seen as central to the actual legal efforts. he wasn't there along with rudy giuliani and sidney powell and those folks who were bringing

lawsuits into court and all that. but he inserts himself into this drama. in fact, he tells in his memoir a story about finding president trump talking with some advisers who were advising him to basically in effect surrender his legal challenge and announce instead that he's planning to come back in 2024. navarro tells a story that he argued with the president, you can't give up, you can't surrender, you have to keep fighting. that's the role he saw himself playing in the white house, the avatar of trumpism in the trump white house. >> have you had a chance to be in touch with anybody or any aides for members on the committee? and what are you hearing on the hill? >> the committee has not formally commented on the news of this indictment. but i just got off the phone moments ago with a source familiar with the work who says members are encouraged by the fact the doj decided to move forward with this indictment, that they hope -- some members at least hope it's the start of a more aggressive approach by

the justice department more than two months after the committee in those pictures that you're seeing right there, pleaded with attorney general merrick garland. members have been deeply frustrated by what they see as lax enforcement of these subpoenas by the justice department. now, on the question of the executive privilege, which pete just discussed, the committee's view has always been that that is up to the current president, joe biden, not the former president, donald trump. but it is significant to some members that peter navarro, who was an adviser to trump at the time, has been indicted, that they hope that could -- that precedent could extend to others like mark meadows and dan scavino, who have been charged. the other thing my source mentioned was that peter navarro did not even show up to his scheduled deposition. that is a problem for them. the committee's view is they're willing to sit down to talk to people about executive privilege. they have not said all conversations in the white house should be opened up to them. but in their view, you can't

just not show up. that's tantamount to thumbing your nose not just at the committee but the entire congressional oversight role. no one really knows what's in the minds of doj right now, whether this indictment will extend to others as well. but members of the committee are certainly hoping just days before they begin public hearings that there are more coming. chris? >> and if indeed, there are more coming, pete, you brought up a name which is really tantalizing to people who follow this closely. that is mark meadows. what are you watching for? >> well, watching to see what the justice department is going to do. it's easy to understand why his case is more complicated. he was a closer adviser to the president. there's been a long-standing policy under the justice department under democratic and republican presidents that congress can't subpoena close advisers to the president any more than they can subpoena the president himself. he did to some extent cooperate with the committee. it sort of muddies it up.

that may explain why it's taken 171 days for the justice department to decide, 171 days and counting. one other point here -- i know that ari knows this. it's well to remind everybody. this is criminal contempt. so, even if the justice department prevails here and peter navarro's convicted, that still doesn't mean he has to turn anything over to committee. it merely is a punishment. it's unlike civil contempt where if you agree you turn the stuff over and the case goes away. this doesn't force him to turn anything over. it's just punishing him for refusing to do so. >> but is there a way, then, ari, to make that happen? obviously that's the key here, right? the key is you want that stuff. >> well, exactly. you want the stuff and potentially you want the testimony. and to remind viewers, mr. navarro is facing both his grand jury subpoena for records, which is that open criminal probe by doj into things related to the insurrection, and what he's indicted for today, which is the committee's request for

his cooperation. that means if the committee goes away or not depending on elections and things that are normal for congress, there's a sitting indictment for mr. navarro. if he entered into negotiations, it is always possible -- we can't foreclose what prosecutors might do with regard to punishment or sometimes charges can get dropped. what we've heard from mr. navarro and successive interviews on msnbc is that he has up until today claimed this is a matter of principle, as him fighting for something larger than himself. he says he's taking great personal risk. he also, i should note, last night he told me, if they move forward with this kind of pressure on him and republicans get back in power -- and he did serve in a republican white house -- he pledged that they will lead the impeachment of joe biden and legal tools against biden, his aides, pelosi, schiff -- fauci he threatened with prison.

this is an individual who has made a case of prosecution adding to the guilty evidence and as of last night was basically saying bring it on. >> yeah, so, peter, let's go to the big picture. the committee's hearings start in less than a week now. they say they're going to hear from witnesses we've not heard of before. we're going to see video we have not seen before. what will you be watching for as this committee makes its case? >> yeah, it's a great question. jamie, you're asking one of the members of the committee. it's going to blow the roof off this story. they have done more research, more actual interviews, depositions, more documents in their hands than any of these committees that we saw. the impeachments of donald trump never involved investigations anywhere near as extensive as this. they have a lot of information sitting in the vault. the question is how much they leaked out in advance. we have seen a lot of othings coming out including the meadows text messages and so forth. and how much have they held back. they're going to do it in prime

time, try to get the country's attention, say look, this is important. you should be engaged in this because your democracy is at stake. the question is really they can really captivate an audience beyond the people who are already convinced that something bad happened and change the dynamic in the public view of this event. pretty calcified, pretty polarizing along party lines and ideological lines so far. >> you've got to say whether peter navarro comes forward and testifies or gets additional papers, whether mark meadows ever comes under indictment, whether he cooperates with anybody, the committee has said for a while now we have a lot of stuff. now they're saying, as nbc news has reported, we have interviews and video you've never seen before. what will you be watching for? it's a pretty high bar i think at this point to really captivate people's attention. >> we'll be watching for, one, new evidence we haven't heard about whether this was violence at the capitol as we saw or something that was orchestrated

and directed at higher levels. two, are there people who spoke to the committee that pointed fingers in ways that answer that question? we know giuliani, trump family members, and others spoke. three, do these arguments drive the argument by congress that former president trump should be charged for this or not? if they come up short to the degree -- and that could be a matter of fairness, you could say. the bureau we're watching right there, the speech is protected speech and he shouldn't be indicted. that's a potential argument. if they land there, the public may say, okay, thanks for the update. if they land somewhere else and do something else we haven't seen since the nixon era, which is affirmatively argue within their powers that this former president should be indict ed, that's a whole different ending. i have one msnbc note to make even though it's a big and busy news day which is i know a lot of people in this building and myself included are so happy for you with this new hour.

i know it's your first week. you have always been just an objective, fair, and unflappable journalist as a colleague. so, really happy about your show. >> you're very kind to say that. and honestly, again, big news day, but what makes it amazing to have the privilege, to have this hour, is to have a panel like i just had. no kidding. couldn't find better people to talk about this breaking news. pete, sahil, peter, ari, thank you very much. and be sure to watch ari every night because, like last night, he's always right on top of everything, making news right here on "the beat" on msnbc, 6:00 p.m. eastern time. president biden today tying rising prices to the war in ukraine. now, after exactly 100 days, what is happening on the ground? and the big concern we're hearing from ukraine's first lady. but first a reality check, one of the nation's top ceo's an economic hurricane is coming our way. how much worse could it really get? that's next. at's next. moderate a

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today, president biden taking on his critics, as he stepped up his message to americans on inflation and what he's doing about it. he is up against the reality of another record day of gas prices, rising food costs, and significantly, some of the top economic minds in our country warning that it's only going to get worse. for example, here's j.p. morgan

chase's ceo, jamie diamond. >> it's a hurricane. right now it's kind of sunny. things are doing fine. everyone thinks the fed can handle this. that hurricane is right out there down the road coming our way. we just don't know if it's a minor one or a super storm sandy. >> the president was also asked about comments by elon musk, reported by reuters. musk reportedly said in an email that he has, quote, a super-bad feeling about the economy. here's president biden firing back. >> lots of luck on his trip to the moon. >> nbc's josh lederman is in delaware following the president. i want to bring in ben white, chief economic correspondent for politico and host of the politico money podcast. he is an msnbc contributor. the answer was a little longer than that, but he ended with that clip in response to elon musk. i think you can hear the frustration and the pressure the

white house is feeling, whether it's in that answer or what we heard from the president today. let me play just a little bit more of that. >> sure. >> i'm doing everything i can on my own to help working families during this stretch of higher prices. i'm going to continue to do that. but congress needs to act as well. we can do so much more if we come together to lower the cost for american families. >> so, give us a reality check right now. both on the state of the economy and, to be fair, how much a president can do. >> right. the white house, as you said, is really frustrated with the stickiness of inflation. we still have, you know, 8%-plus inflation and wages only going up around 5%. that is why biden's economic approval rating is in the dumps. 60% disapprove of how he's doing on the economy, and that's because of gas prices, food prices, inflation. they always make people angry, and they're still here. they did ease up a little bit

last month. in april, the last data we had showed 8.5, 8.3%. the only thing that's really going to turn these numbers around is inflation coming down and people making more money and not seeing their grocery bills and their gas bills go through the roof. if that happens, numbers can go up. just saying, i feel your pain, could help a little bit around the margins, but it's not enough. the question is, how much can a president do? some. some of it. republicans would like to see more on reducing trade tariffs, getting rid of more barriers to free trade, making it easier to get into business, getting rid of red tape, that sort of thing. not going to do a lot of that. it's not on the democrats' agenda. but the president is limited. the real player here is the fed, jay powell, as you know well. >> but i think clearly, josh, the president coming out today saying what he said, the way he's been messaging shows that the white house feels it is important for him to be out there saying these things.

to strike the tone. he understand what is folks are going through. he's also, again, leaning in on this messaging point. here you go. >> this is the putin price hike. putin price hike. putin's price hike. >> so, i was talking to a democrat the other day who, to be fair, thinks that people aren't being fair to the president on the economy but also said the message, putin's price hike, has gone about as far as it can. the white house needs to come up with something different. talk to us about the white house messaging. clearly they think that putting it on putin and on the war in ukraine is helping them. >> yeah, that's exactly right. i think the white house feels like they were sort of in a bad position either way because if president biden didn't act to limit russia's access to energy revenues, he would have gotten hit from the right for being insufficiently tough on russia. and if he did act and have a u.s. energy embargo and push the europeans to do the same, then he gets hit when gas prices go

up. so, the president, in his remarks today, really saying that the focus know from his administration is on two buckets, is on trying to bring down the cost of goods, and secondly, to try to get a handle on the deficit, which i think is a nod to senator joe manchin, as the white house holds out limited hope for some type of a spending deal. the reality, as you heard, there's not much the president can do on his own, certainly not that would have an effect for the american people. the president took some heat this week for saying that part of his strategy to combat inflation is to give the feds the running room that they need, the independence that they need to make their own decisions. some americans, who are feeling this economic pain, want to see the president a little bit more aggressively trying to take action. and that is why both the president and his cabinet officials have been fanning out across the country this week trying to make it very clear to americans that, yes, they do understand what's happening and

are doing everything they can possibly do to bring those costs down. >> let's talk about one thing in particular that everybody feels, ben, gas prices. they hit another record for a fifth day in a row today. experts believe, many at least, that $5 or $5.20 a gallon is kind of a pain point, right, where americans will start to really curtail driving, maybe even cancelling summer vacations. eight states are already over the $5 mark. california well above that. some areas in the state in the $7 zone. what are the ripple effects on other parts of our economy potentially? what kind of challenges does that pose for this white house? >> yeah, it's a big problem. and you're right that that $5 figure is something that will make people rethink long road trips. that makes you not fill up your tank all the way because the numbers keep spinning up so high. and it's frustrating to a lot of people. and those big round numbers matter, and it has obviously ripple effects across the economy because it eats up more of consumers' budgets. as you know, two third of the

economy is consumer spending. if everybody is pressed on gas and food, they're spending less on other things, and other areas of the economy suffer. i do think it's going to take a little while for these prices to come down. the white house isn't wrong that the ukraine war increased the spike in oil prices. but it was going on before that. inflation was going on before that. it's only a piece of the story. but it is absolutely true that high gas prices over 5 bucks will make people rethink their travel plans, which is, you know, big for the industries of travel and all the rest of it. but, you know, there's not a ton he can do in the short term other than maybe dump more out of the strategic reserves we have. >> ben, josh, always good to see both of you. thank you so much. so, what is the president able to do? he said earlier he has, quote, no direct plans at the moment to go to saudi arabia. but five sources tell nbc news he is expected to go there later this month. and he could use that country to pump more oil to help lower gas

prices after the war in ukraine did set off that russian oil embargo. but big political complication. president biden said during his presidential campaign he would treat saudi as a pariah state for the killing of journalist jamal khashoggi. i want to bring in ian bremer, president and founder of the eurasia group and author of the new book "the power of crisis: how three threats and our response will change the world." it's good to see you, ian. congrats on the book. >> thank you. >> give us your best cost-benefit analysis of going to saudi arabia for the president. what would he be walking into here? >> well, it's very clear from the -- what you just ran -- that president biden cares a lot more about human rights than, for example, president trump did. and he wants a foreign policy of the united states that is seen as more value driven. that's why he talks about the ukraine war as being a war of democracies versus autocracies. well, saudi arabia is not a

democracy. let's be very clear about that. saudi arabia was, of course, the first country that trump visited as president when he was elected back in 2016. and it still remains the most important, the largest arms purchaser of american military export of any country around the world. it's an ally. there's a lot of intelligence sharing. there's a lot of coordination in terms of military strategy. and america's top enemy in the region, in the middle east, is iran. that's true of saudi arabia as well. meanwhile, saudi relations with israel are increasingly warming, in fact to the extent there could well be a diplomatic opening like there has been with the uae and other countries in the region of late. so, look, this has been kind of a bigger problem for biden himself than it is for any other democratic president. he's personally the one that hasn't wanted to make this trip. many of his personal advisers in

cabinet have been pushing him, saying, you've got to go. pick up the phone. talk to mohammad bin salman, make the trip. this is the one country in the world that has the most spare capacity of oil production they could get on the market with a decision. but they're not going to do it unless you go in, as it were, kiss the ring. biden hasn't wanted to do it. but the fact is he may have said he doesn't have any direct plans yet, the trip hasn't been formalized and announced. but we are very, very close. every day these oil prices and gas prices go up, the closer biden gets to making that call. >> let's say he does do it, as sources are indicating at least to us that he is going to do. does it become just about oil prices? can he realistically go there and have these conversations and talk not just about jamal khashoggi, but there are 9/11 families who still want conversations to be held. there is the return to the iran nuclear deal and the

geopolitical complications of that. >> that's right. well, i mean, first of all no guarantees at this point. the iranians already have enough enriched uranium for two nuclear weapons. they're close to this breakout nuclear capability no one wanted them to do be. the biden administration is trying to get back into the deal. the saudis read those negotiations and are prepared to deal with it. there's the issue of the massive humans right abuses in yemen. the saudis announcing a temporary ceasefire. certainly it makes it a little bit easier to have that conversation. they're not going to resolve anything in terms of the assassination of khashoggi. i would make the case that the reform trajectory in saudi arabia in terms of not only opening their economy to international investment but diversing economy away from fossil fuels as well as trying to bring young people into the

work force, women into the work force, opening up special economic zones that would allow for the legalization of alcohol consumption at least for non-saudis. i mean, frankly, you talk to people that are thinking about saudi arabia as a market, there's been a lot more optimism in the last couple of years under mohammad bin salman than there was five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago. i also mentioned the abraham accords, president biden as a candidate and president has been fully in favor. we would certainly like to see the saudis make an announcement that they will open diplomatic relations with israel, america's top ally in the middle east. that is close to happening. and a visit by president biden to saudi arabia might help facilitate that. >> ian bremer, always the person to go to to help us understand these complex issues. thank you so much. we appreciate you coming on the program. and the siege continues.

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that's of course when they took him into custody. they're still trying to work to determine the reason that he was parked near the u.s. capitol. but he had, of course, parked his 2017 dodge charger near the peace circle. that's on the west side of the capitol. this is a man who was identified as someone from flint, michigan. and of course given the climate we've seen on gun violence over the course of just the last week, there is high concern. and then of course the fact this is the capitol complex, the capitol police of course taking this seriously, letting us know that this happened just this morning. and of course now we can bring that news to you. >> while i have you, some news broke this morning on the hill as well. the families of the uvalde and buffalo shooting victims are going to testify before the house oversight committee next week. the uphill climb democrats face to put meaningful legislation on guns on the president's desk is clear to see. it was made plain at a house hearing on guns just yesterday. so, i want to play this moment

from republican congressman greg steube of florida. >> here's a gun i carry every single day to protect myself, my family, my wife, my home. this is a xl-6 sawer p-365. comes with a 15-round magazine. here's a 7-round magazine. this is less than what would be lawful if this bill were to become law. it doesn't fit. >> i hope the gun is not loaded. >> i'm at my house. i can do whatever i want with my guns. >> ally, first of all, i'm curious about the reaction to that. but also fill us in on your new reporting about the new plan in the house. >> yeah, chris, you saw that moment. one of several really tense moments in that house markup for the judiciary committee yesterday. they were working on a package of gun violence prevention bills that passed out of the committee late last night and of course will go to the rules committee on tuesday. when the house is back fully in

session next week, they will be voted on. our sources tell us that's likely wednesday or thursday. but in addition to that package of bills, we're going to see the house oversight committee on wednesday holding a hearing on the human impact of gun violence. they're going to hear from school professionals and others. but most notably, the news that we broke this morning is that there will be parents and even survivors of people who were impacted and killed in uvalde and as well in buffalo. one of the people who stood out to me is going to be a fourth grader, the girl who said that she covered herself in the blood of a killed classmate in uvalde, texas, playing dead so that she herself could survive that mass shooting. she will be one of the people to give testimony here, a girl, again, a fourth grader. she's ten years old. it's going to be a powerful hearing. and what the chairwoman of that committee says is that this is her attempt to channel anger into action. and she urges all of her colleagues to come to this hearing and hear these

testimonies with an open heart. of course democrats in the house trying to move forward on that larger gun violence prevention package, as the senate negotiates its own package because the reality here in congress, chris, as you well know, is the house can pass really whatever it wants. it has a larger democratic majority. of course the senate is really where all of this comes to fruition, whether or not they can agree on a package that can get passed. >> thank you for that. many of you may have seen last night in prime-time with an address to the nation trying to put pressure on congress to do something. and then just three minutes after he finished that prime-time speech on gun violence and talked about his plan to fight it, the t 911 calls from a church in iowa started coming in, including one saying, a gunman shot and killed two young women just outside the cornerstone church. and then, police say, he turned the gun on himself. it is early in the investigation in aims, iowa.

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people homeless, according to the parliamentary commission on human rights. and more than 6.9 million people have fled ukraine since late february. but as russia moved its focus to the east, an estimated 2.2 million of those have returned. the concern now, that support for ukraine will stall to vladimir putin's advantage. here's the appeal from the first lady of ukraine.

>> joining us now from kyiv, nbc news correspondent ellison barber. i wonder, ellison, what your sense is from people you had a chance to talk to there. and is there certain that the world's attention will inevitably turn elsewhere? >> reporter: yes, there is a lot of concern for that. almost everyone i have spoken to have said they are worried that people feel like this is over simply because the fighting has moved east. but that's not the case at all. the war is still very much here, and it is impacting every ukrainian. russia launched their invasion 100 days ago, and they tried to take this city, kyiv. they failed. reminders of that failure are all throughout the square here. burned out, destroyed tanks, people -- you can even look inside and see it. people come here now to take photos of this, to visit, to see it. you can see the crowds here right now. it is the strange reminder of normalcy and then how not normal the situation is here at the

same time. there's artillery, russian artillery that is busted. again more destroyed, burned out tank pieces, what is left of clothing of russian soldiers. this has been 100 days of fighting here. the battles, it has largely shifted to the east. but there are still air raid sirens here in kyiv. we heard one this afternoon. we were at a food distribution in bucha. they had prepared to give food to 300 people. 600 people arrived needing help. they didn't have enough for everyone. the signs of war, they are here every day. and as we keep talking to people, what they keep saying to us is they hope that the rest of the world doesn't forget that because they are worried about what happens next. but also they are seeing the ripple impacts of this war even in places where there is no fighting, where there never was fighting. there is no sense of normalcy when you come home and you come home to something like this, when parents are sending their kids outside to play. they're doing it in many

communities, having to remind them, one, to listen to the air raid sirens. and in some places like back to you bucha to look out for the mass graves. we've seen war crimes committed against ukrainians, and this war is not over. there are no signs that it's slowing down. chris? >> ellison barber, thank you for being there and thank you for that report. other in the uk, it's day two of the queen's platinum jubilee, but without the guest of honor. for a few of the royals, as well as the prime minister, who were there, let's say a mixed reception. you're watching chris jansing reports on msnbc. reports on msnc what goes on it. usually. and in it. mostly. here to meet those high standards is the walgreens health and wellness brand. over 2000 high quality products. rigorously tested by us. real world tested by you.

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one particularly notable absence, the queen herself who the palace said was experiencing discomfort following yesterday's big events. with me to discuss, michael beschloss. >> always glad to see you, chris. >> thank you. for a lot of brits, even those who might not consider themselves fans of the royal family, there is great admiration for the queen, her longevity, her consistency through a lot of turbulent times. without eulogizing her prematurely, talk about the queen. >> she bound together the love and she knew eleanor roosevelt, advised winston churchill. just think about it, chris, this week in 1944 she was 18, saying

good-bye to british parachute jumpers who she knew were going to die on d-day. people love the queen but we don't know whether they love the monarchy and that remains to be seen. >> that brings me to my next question. world leaders and presidents and prime ministers come and go. what do you think will inevitably be part of the change of the monarchy? is it going to be a question about not just can it survive but how it survives? >> well, take a look at the poll numbers at england right now. you look at younger people, they don't have the feelings about the monarchy that older people do. not many people remember d-day but a lot of people remember for instance what queen elizabeth did in the middle of the cold war to help the allies make sure the free world survived and prevailed. all those people are basically dying and getting older.

the question is whether the monarchy can make itself more relevant to younger people. it always trying in this day on social media, it's tough than ever before. >> you know, this celebration is also a chance for royal gossip. always part of buckingham palace. >> we would never do such a thing. not you and me, we're too high minded. >> very sophisticated way we're going to at that about it. you and i lived through princess diana and fergie and you have the reported split between brothers and harry's marriage to an american. where does gossip become historical significance or something that will be in the history books or make a difference? >> well, when private behavior affects the public. if you have members of the royal family who in certain circles are unpopular and they make the monarchy less popular, that's

not gossip, that's something that's very important. for instance, in the late 1930s, famously or infamously the then king was involved with a woman who was not his wife, wanted to marry her, had to leave the throne to do so, abdicated, was one of the great crises of the monarchy. you could say that was his business but it shook a lot of faith in britain that the monarchy was something important. queen elizabeth has done so much for 70 years to build that back. >> the unimpeachably high-minded michael beschloss, it is also great to have you on. >> i try. >> have a good weekend. >> thank you, chris. that's going do it for us this hour. join us for "chris jansing reports" 1:00 eastern rights here on msnbc. don't go away.

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