you a little happiness here? because i do! >> [laughs] well, we are. we have a very good family. i'm proud of it. >> i've been married twice. this is the only husband i've ever had. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. welcome to the show! i am zerlina maxwell. unaware and emotional primetime speech, president biden laid out gun violence and asked, how much more carnage are we willing to accept? before we say enough? meanwhile, in kentucky, a democratic nominee for the united states wears a noose to highlight senator rand falls he's joining us to talk about that. we will talk about that later

in the hour. but we start with the first public hearing of the january 6th committee. which is set to be a primetime hearing, next thursday. the bipartisan panelists interviewed about 1000 people, and received tens of thousands of pages of documents. they have the attempts by the president and his allies to overturn the election, and the attack on our democracy that culminated in the deadly insurrection. we have talked a lot on the show about how close we actually came to you losing our democracy that day. how the threat to our democracy is not over. but is in fact growing with republican efforts to subvert future elections. the key question is whether this committee, and in their hearings, will be able to breakthrough the noise and get the americans attention. in the watergate scandal, 70% of america reported watching the harry. the january six committee is

unlikely to get that many viewers in today's polarizing environment. but can they get americans to pay attention for what's at stake here? and to break all of this down, the head of next week's hearings. -- and grant kershner nbc analyst and [inaudible] . perfect people to have here today, glenn elsewhere with you. what story do democrats need to tell through these primetime hearings? >> what they need to do is put on a presentation that appeals to everybody a pause the spectrum. not only do you want to try criminal cases, you're gonna put people in a jury box. they're going to range from a high school dropout to scientists. everybody in between. but what we will need to do is put on a common sense, compelling, vivid, presentation. not just to the jury, but to the american people. that really drives home what donald trump and his many criminal associates did. in trying to overturn the

results of a presidential election. and what the evidence is, has been amassed by the january 6th select committee. proving what donald trump is. and the january six committee's mandate is to one, see what kind of legislation should be enacted to see this never happens again. and to, making criminal referrals of donald trump and anybody else, if the evidence supports that they committed crimes. >> melissa, essentially the same question to you. but at one of the things i think a lot about our, why the mueller report did not result in more accountability for folks involved in some of the facts laid out there. and part of the problem is, to glenn's point, the evidence. there wasn't a lot of proof. in this case we get 1000 witnesses, thousands of pages of documentation, and some critical witnesses that can provide that evidence to fill in some of the questions around what donald trump was doing during the insurrection, for

example. so same question, with the caveat of, where do you think, given that mass of information, that the committee should focus americans attention? >> i will say one critical difference between this, and the mueller report, is this is going to be playing out on television and prime time. as opposed to being asked to read a multi-page document. or listened to incredibly arcane and nuanced testimony from someone like mueller. so i think this is exactly right. this is about plainspoken, common sense approaches to putting together what is actually a quite spiraling, and desperate case. they need to show that this is not just some disembodied and bad. what happened at the capitol, and what was happening in the oval office. this was an entire enterprise rotten that the core. and the roth began, and what we say play out at the capitol, was merely a manifestation of what the president was orchestrating. and to be really clear with the

american public, that threat has not abated. the insurrection is over, but the threat persists. it's a fundamental, existential threat to democracy. >> glenn, a former trump aide, peter navarro, has been indicted for contempt of congress. what is your reaction to this news as we are a week away from these public hearings? >> yeah, on the criminal referral for contempt of congress front, it looks like it's two down and two to go. because, congress has referred for people, i think at last count, for prosecution. for contempt of congress. for justifying lawfully issued subpoenas. and now they are indicted for their crimes. and mark meadows, and scavino have been referred but not yet indicted. but of course, peter navarro, the green bay sweep which way he likes to evoke all the time.

a page from his playbook. let me take another page of the playbook. yesterday, peter navarro was scheduled to appear before the grand jury, and was directed to provide all information about his communications with donald trump. which leads to the only reasonable conclusion. that the grand jury is criminally investigating donald trump. and today, after that scheduled grand jury appearance yesterday, he gets criminally indicted. that is actually a standard play from the prosecutorial playbook. it looks like they tried to meet with him yesterday, maybe bring him on board. offer him a plea deal. maybe he said no, so today he sends indicted. and you can bet, he will continue to work on him to try and get him to stop covering up donald trump's crimes. come on, take responsibility to his own conduct and testify about the conduct of others. >> and melissa, one of the

other people involved that allegedly spoke to the president on the day of the insurrection, during the attack on the capitol. congressman jim jordan. he has also refused to comply with the subpoena from the committee. they have warned him, he has until june 11 to cooperate. he has a deadline. so let's put up or shut up. is it possible, you think, that he could also be indicted? for contempt, if he doesn't comply with this level subpoena? again, this is a more nuanced question. we haven't necessarily had a situation where a sitting member of congress has been held in contempt of that body. so this would be uncharted water, to some extent. but again, it is not the committee's decision on whether or not jim jordan would be indicted. they refer that matter to the department of justice. the department of justice ultimately makes a decision about how they will proceed. but again, i think the committee is making very clear that they are not going to tolerate this kind of recalcitrance. it's a subverting of the

canadian's role in providing oversight. and not only what happened on january 6th, and what came before it, but also how to prevent what happened from happening again. >> it is important to understand that obstruction piece, because that was one of the through lines on the mueller a port. witnesses weren't cooperating, they weren't able to get to the bottom of a lot of facts. alleged. i want to pivot to another investigation that is happening. it's really important. what is happening in georgia. the georgia investigation into whether donald trump interfered in the election. with the call that we have all heard on the phone, with donald trump in the secretary of state, raffensperger. he actually testified before the grand cherry earlier this week. is it possible that trump could be indicted in georgia? putting all the january 6th of outside, this is percolating in the background. >> yeah, i would say that he can be indicted in georgia. and he should be indicted in georgia. because we basically have all that we need on that reported

phone call with brad raffensperger. and you know wet? brad raffensperger behave the way a law abiding politician should. he compile with the subpoena, he testified for five hours. and i could not agree more with professor mary, when she said so many of these things represent uncharted waters. but you know what? we have to take this mating legal voyages so we can get some law on. for example, whether congress can hold in contempt, and referred to prosecution, one of its own for violating the rules of congress. violating a lawfully issued subpoena. i would say would hold true for corruptly delivered pardons. we have to take these maiden voyages so we can bump them up to an appellate courts, and get some law. so we know how to address these problems in the future if they recur. >> i really hope that we do not have to utilize those new law, that new law created for future

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fields. for god sake, how much more carnage are we willing to accept? how many more innocent american lives must be taken before we say enough, enough. my god, the fact that the majority of the senate republicans do not want any of these proposals even to be debated or come up for a vote, i find it unconscionable. we cannot fail the american people again. >> that was president biden giving a writer primetime ad for dress on the need to reduce gun violence. with a nation reeling from the mass shootings. we talked about on the show a lot recently. he talked about how the president could use his -- we talked about how you can use his bully pulpit to pass gun safety reforms. now he finally has. a small bipartisan group is working to crack modest bills with the hope that enough republicans will support the measures like background checks. democrats in the house are not

waiting around. they advanced a bill that introduces and includes, raising the age to buy a semiautomatic weapons. the ban on magazines is also included. -- eric swallow shot back at a republican proponents. >> 19 kids are dead. 19 children are dead. to my republican colleagues, i ask, who are you here for? are you here for our kids, or are you here for the killers. my republican colleagues are here for carnival games. they say it's about pencil health. we try to fund for mental health, that they vote against. it they say it is about schools, we try to on the schools and the teachers, they vote against. it they say this about policing. $300 million in the american rescue plan for community policing. they all voted against it. >> joining us, to the dnc, is kurt. some -- they say that this time is

different. the movement is energized like never before. there might actually be a possibility that something can get done. do you sense a different this time? >> zerlina, i think that part of the difference is, the unfortunate reality, that we have had to face multiple mass of shootings in a narrow period of time. it already feels like the racially motivated mass shooting at a top grocery store in buffalo, new york, and that it was months ago. it was not! it was less than two weeks ago. since then, we have had two high profile high visual events in school and in office building. i do not remember a time where the conversation of gun reform was happening at the same time as active events kept happening in this space. usually, what happens, and it is a cycle we have seen over and over again, tragedy strikes, everyone expresses thoughts and prayers, the president goes to the site to meet with the families and survivors. we talk about gun reform and

then it goes away into the next mass shooting. this time, the bodies were not even buried when the next mass shooting happened. i think that's why it is a little bit different. you also cannot underestimate the fact that this happened, the one in texas, in a very republican red state. you have a member of the republican senate leadership having to duel with this in his own backyard. having about the negotiating table, it is different when it is your constituency impacted by this. >> i think that for the people who are comparing what is happening now to what happened in newtown, this was in connecticut. it is different than when little kids are gunned down in a school in a state where they are loosening gun restrictions. do republicans realize that they are in this corner? is this why you see senators like john cornyn participating in the conversation? the majority of the american people, they want gun safety reform. many of these reforms, during the analysis, would have stopped a number of the

tragedies we have seen recently. i think americans get. that what do you think about the republican strategy here? are they going to have to given at some point? >> i think that republicans are running a major risk here of going so far against the mainstream opinion in america. this is not a controversial issue, let's be clear about this. the things that democrats are fighting for, the things that the president outlined in his address, are not controversial. there is overwhelming support for background checks, better mental health, for waiting periods, for banning aside assault rifles outright. this is not a 50/50 issue. these are overwhelming popular amongst democrats, republicans, and as the president said last night, responsible gun owners want this as well. when republicans continue to defy the public will this agree justly, it puts them in a precarious political spot where when the next tragedy happens, they make it clear where they stand, they did not take action. at some point, they will get

the blame. you can talk about things like, inflation, and gas prices, but i will tell you certainly, not when we are talking about the lives of our kids, when we are talking about bodies that could not even have been identified because they were destroyed by these weapons of war, this cuts a lot closer to home for working families, parents, for people who will be voting then a lot of these broader economic issues. >> we will talk about trauma in the moment, but i think about so many kids in this generation. i was a senior in high school for columbine, but no student that grew up since then has not known this as a reality of being a young person in america and going to school. how important do you think, in the last minute here, was it for the president to utilize the bowling pulpit? to do a primetime address? it is a rare moment for the president to do this. however you think it was? >> i do think it was important. it was a national moment where we need to hear from our

leader. it is a bully pulpit. i wish he would unveil himself more. i think we will see more of him going forward. i watched last night and i kept thinking to myself, we take for granted that we have a president that when he speaks, we are not watering wondering, oh god, what is he gonna say? white callous, a terrible, racist, a fascist thing is he going to say? it is a president who spoke with conviction, clarity, and conscience. we need a lot more of this right now. >> i didn't take that for granted, kurt. it helps my sanity. it helps my cortisol levels and my blood pressure, very much. i do not take it for granted for any way, shape, or form. kurt, thank you for being here. to stay safe. coming up, there have been more than 20 mass shootings in the united states since uvalde, texas. how do we, individually and collectively in the country, a move forward with the trauma and despair brought about with gun violence. i will ask a psychiatrist this question. this is up next. is is up next.

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massacre at uvalde, there have been 20 mass shootings in america. -- from collective shock trauma, over and over and over again. and i'm really concerned about the next generation who cannot feel safe in the doctor's office, the grocery store, movie theaters, anywhere in public. martin luther king junior's 14 year old grandmother wrote an

op-ed urging adults to imagine going to school. every single day wondering if you and your classmates are next. quote, the fear, and society, and frustration are overwhelming. we just can't be kids anymore. every loud noise in the hard way, any loud bursts is a reminder that our hopes and dreams can be snatched away by a bullet. and joining me now is sue varma, she is a psychiatry assistant professor at a medical center. thank you so much for being here dr., we've been wanting to have this conversation all week. >> absolutely, thanks for having me. >> so, during the pandemic, and certainly in the last couple of weeks, i think that we have normalized mass death. we sort of, don't blink an eye at it. we didn't really blink an eye to millions of americans dead from covid-19, in just a couple of years. mass shootings are happening over and over again every single day. how do we get to this point where we are essentially growing numb whenever there is a tragedy?

>> absolutely. psychic numbing as we call it, or compassion fatigue, implies that we are so overloaded by living in a state of constant threat. our brains were not evolved to handle this. we have circumscribed threat, where we have one situation and our brain needs to wrap around, how can i do, how do i mobilize resources. but we are not meant to be living in conflict for the last two years because of the pandemic, war, inflation, gun shootings as you mentioned that have been going on for decades at this point. and are only getting worse, and are only getting more frequent. >> so, at the beginning of the pandemic i remember talking to a scientist about how we were essentially diverting to lizard brain. is that what you mean? we are in-flight are fright but all the time? and you're not supposed to be in flight or fight all the time.

because people are behaving a radically, and violently, as a result of being in lizard brain, for lack of a better term? >> yes, so reptilian brain is referring to are more primitive brain functions. but our core text, which is responsible for executive functioning, planning, strategizing. abstract thinking, language. a lot of really wonderful things. memory, concentration, and all of that is being compromised. our sense of self, our well-being, our san collateral safety is being compromised. when a child or an adult has to constantly think, i'm gonna leave the house and i may not come back home. and that is a reality we are living in a war stone. that's what we have to understand, when people have access to war weapons, we are living in a war zone. and that was never something that i thought would be a part of our reality in the united states. >> one of the things i want to

pivot to is what we can do about it. how do we fix this problem now that we have laid it out here, and we understand that, we don't want to be like this, our brains are doing a thing because of science. so what can we actually do on a day-to-day basis so that we are in a healthy way, processing the trauma that is around us. but also learning how to cope? as we move from, unfortunately, mass shooting to mass shooting and more covid surges? >> yes, speak so we never want to become numb. and part of that is taken care of our part of ourselves and getting mental health treatment if we need it. -- with access to mental health treatment, and also has the highest number of uninsured folks living there. so that's a problem. but if you are lucky to have access to medical treatment, this would be an excellent time to utilize. it going to your insurance, card looking at the behavioral helpline.

the good thing is what came out of the pandemic is most americans have access to tele-care. so even if you are living in a part of the state, or country, that doesn't have any resources. and look at we are definitely after shortage in it. they should definitely still be in touch with a therapist. then i would say action, action is a big part of moving forward and healing. in whatever way we have to be loud, we have to get together, we have to make noise about this. because as a physician, gun safety is absolutely part of what we do, part of our intake with folks. and at the same time, i'm having the conversation is improving mental health. we don't want to get lost there because as we saw the texas governor is cutting funding, $250 million, saying it's a mental health problem. so we can't do that. one thing that is on alarm with texas, is trying to put in place, and it hasn't some reasons a prevention. so some with mental illness and gun violence are going to be a real big part of this. and meditation, breathing, connecting with folks, and taking care of yourself it's possible for you. >> i want everybody to go to

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the 100th day, president zelenskyy says that russian forces can continue to -- 20% of the country. this is in the donbas region of ukraine and work towards occupying more of the. west in a message marking the first 100 days, he made it clear, the ukraine will not back down easily.

this comes as president biden imposes a new round of sanctions against russia and promises to send ukraine advance rocket systems that can target enemy positions from nearly 50 miles away. here to discuss, retired u.s. army general, barry mccaffrey. general, help us to understand where things stand right now as the russian invasion into ukraine hits 100 days. >> it's hard to tell. it is a complex, a dangerous situation. if you go out in the longer run, in a year from now, i am very off to mystic that ukraine will be in a favorable position. the sanctions on russia will start unraveling their defense industry. even more importantly, ukrainians have caused devastating casualties, maybe 20% of their force has been killed or wounded. the coalition of the willing, through the u.s. european command, providing a lot of technology to the ukrainian armed forces forces. having said that, this is

terribly dangerous. they are being pounding by masses of russian artillery. the russians have now fired over 2500 cruise missiles, primarily at civilian targets in towns and cities of ukraine. it is a terrible, dangerous place. thankfully, they have magnificent leadership, zelenskyy, their armed forces. the next 90 days, again, our great danger for ukraine. >> president zelenskyy's wife, ukrainian first lady, spoke to msnbc news recently. she warned that this is complex and we should not grow complacent in the war. take a listen. >> [speaking foreign language]

>> do you think that we are doing enough? i think that was the question from day one all the way to do 100. given what we have done today, what more can we do? is it enough? >> well, first off, a lot has been done. it is an incredible situation. 41 nations are all gathered together under u.s. coordination, u.s. european command in germany. the uk, the norwegians, you name it. people are funneling high technology equipment in their. the ukrainians have a terrible difficult time absorbing it. learning how to maintain it, running into operating. the training system. most of these programs take a year or two years, or a helicopter pilot. they do a lot.

i am concerned about counter battery capability in the ukrainian armed forces. i still want to see the 190 mile attack missiles delivered to ukraine so that not only can they attack russia but the flexibility to do counter battery fires. it is devastating. i've been under 152 millimeter and a rocket fire, it is horrific. right now, they are grinding down the elite of the ukrainian armed forces, fighting in the east. it is a pretty tough situation. >> can you help us understand what's a counter battery missile -- what is that? >> well, we are great at it. the russians are bad at it. we are trying to train the ukrainians on how to take -- we have given them six battalions of artillery. the europeans are providing

these same caliber artillery. they have the munitions. they have the range, now we have to figure out how to integrate digitally counter battery radar. we want to seize the artillery shell coming in and tell you where the top is. also, we want to integrate unmanned aerial vehicles that can find and seize artillery battery fields. this is tough. it took me a month to figure out how to do it with a division waiting attack in iraq or any desert storm. these ukrainians are smart, they are tough. they are well motivated. again, they have a sore of new technology. we have to put on a major effort, a hustle-less material country. i think it is happening. we are in great danger. >> general barry mccaffrey. i thank you for being here and helping us understand the stuff that is technical, but it is

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now. we know that data and looking into people who have antibodies from new york city show that there are fire more cases than reported. we know a lot of people are testing at home, is testing at all. and we know that people are being told that it's not a big deal, not to worry about cases. so the combination of that has led us into yet again, another surge. where people are getting sick. people are out of work, some people are hospitalized, some people have long covid. it's a big problem. >> one of the questions that i have, and that i've had the entire time. and i want to, sort of, go back to the beginning of the pandemic. the beginning, and we talked about this before. doctors and scientists were saying, don't catch covid. covid is that. it's not the flu, it's very serious. you could have a very severe outcome and you don't know where it's gonna be. now we have vaccinations. so the calculation is different. but breakdown for the audience at home, why covid itself, an infection. it's something that you want to avoid. >> yes. so, to your vaccination point.

as time has passed since you've been vaccinated, and as new variants emerge, the chance that you end up with more severe disease, potentially being hospitalized with someone close to you like your mom, dad, grandmother needs to be hospitalized. goes up. so that situation is constantly changing, and it all starts from infections. so if you live in a household where someone gets infected, this is a very contagious virus. you will infect many other people, whether you know it or not. that's one problem. the second problem with this is, when you do get infected, we don't fully understand with the long term consequences are of getting infected, or getting repeated infections every few months. we know this virus causes a lot of information, it affects many different organs. it causes clotting, it's of solicited with strokes, inflammation of the heart, issues of the brain. there are so many things that they are learning as time goes on. and this is one of the reasons why we need to prevent infections. because otherwise, we are in a

big experiment. and people don't know what they're signing up for. >> so, take that point just a bit further, when we're talking about kids. because, it was recently announced that there is going to be a vaccine for little, little children under the age of five. and 19 million of them have not been able to been vaccinated up to this point. speak to the parents at home that might be concerned about vaccinating their small children, and with the point in mind that the long term rates with the covid infection. why do parents need to get their children vaccinated when it's available to them? >> parents should remember that our vaccines go through a lot of testing. they go through a lot of decision-making by experts who are looking at the safety profile of the vaccines. and comparing that to the risk of getting covid, and the complications that happened when you get infected. and, you know, for two years now consistently, we've been able to show that getting vaccinated is much better than getting covid while being unvaccinated.

and a matter how you look at it. and so, if your parents, and you're worried about your kid getting vaccinated. i would say, remember them getting covid, and the complications from that, are things that we're still figuring out and understanding. and those only become clear in the future. so i would not wait to find out what complications you get from your kid repeatedly getting covid before they're vaccinated, before their immune system has been prime to fight off infection. remember, that there is only a cost and benefits everything we do. but the real cost of people getting covid when they're not vaccinated. >> important points. one of the questions i have is about the sub variants that you mentioned circulating. but i've been playing close attention to what's happening in south africa with ba.4 and ba.5. they are now variants of concern. help us understand ba.4 and ba.5. we're getting down to the deaths of more points here, and i know it's confusing but, what are these variants? how concerned are scientists

and doctors about what they can do in the united states? >> so again, they are difference, they are subvariants of omicron. they are more transmissible, they have more [inaudible] . and they are starting to pick up in other countries, with that means is that they will start to pick up here. and you already noted that there has been an uptick, although it could very well overtake in the future. the current variant is 2.1 2.1. we see this pattern continue to happen because we just have not been able to, at a global or international level, slow down infections. and this contributes to variant spreading. and again, with the next variant we don't know later this year. is it going to be the omicron subvariant? is it gonna be a new variant altogether? how well are vaccines going to hold up against this? how well will prior infection hold up against this? we saw would be a one, if you get ba.1, it may not be as

effective as ba.2 0.1 2.1. if you get infected in january, and in may, is this gonna be another infection for september in december? what does that mean for our health? why is this okay? why are we saying that it's okay to get infected like this? >> it's a really important points. and i want everybody to think about your internal organs, your heart, brain, kidneys, liver, pancreas. think about the inflammatory result of even a mild infection, and whether you want those organs [inaudible] . just a thought for the weekend. take it home with you. doctor thank you for being here, good to have you here to help us understand. this be safe. coming up, i'll speak with a kentucky democrat running to defeat senator rand paul. his statement next. and he won a -- lynching legislation. is receiving national attention. and we'll talk about why this issue is a personal one for him. that's up next! at's up next

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to use his controversial record against him. take a look. >> i've become the first black kentucky and to receive the democratic nomination for u.s. senate. my opponent, the very person who compared expanded health care to slavery. the person who said he would have opposed the civil rights act. the person who single-handedly blocked an anti-lynching act from being federal law. the choice could not be clearer. >> joining me now is, charles booker, the democratic nominee for the senate. thank you so much for being here. >> absolutely, thank you for having me. tell -- >> tell us why you wanted to do the ad and invoke the specific imagery. >> this was one of the hardest things that i have ever done. as understanding the power of storytelling and how it important is to convey a message, i feel responsibility to chime lights to show who rand paul really is and to help kentucky and our country to

understand in times of pain that all the hate and division that we are seeing, all of the mass shootings, and the trauma that we are facing, that we can heal together. we can move forward together. i think this requires us to look at some of the most during examples of this pain and lynching as a personal story for my own family, my own ancestors, those who i know have been lunged. it is a powerful way to speak truth to the ways that we did not to be held back anymore. it was hard for me to do. i love the commonwealth of kentucky. i know we deserve better. i know that we are going to be healed in the process. >> tell us more about the poor's personal story. how are you connected specifically to lynching. i know those who would clinch their pros and -- i would want unemployment to get upset about the fact that lynching did happen and continue to happen in this country. speak to your own family

history. >> first of all, you cannot fix what you don't face. i am a shining this light because, for my own family, i have learned over the years of my ancestors who were enslaved in the commonwealth of kentucky, and i have had great uncles who are lynched. i did not know that when i was on the floor of the house representatives as a legislator in kentucky, i will come home and my family would call me and say that, c.j., you are talking about your own uncles. it requires, this woman requires leaders who understand the pain and the trauma. this is not just about lynching in a sensible role. we want to know how we are being held back as a society. folks who are struggling to get medications, struggling to survive, the fear of your door being bused down, the idea that you turn the faucet on in the water is brown. how do we actually move forward? rand paul is blocking all of

this. i'm using my pain to help save our voices and our lives. they matter. we are going to win this future together. >> you are the first black major party nominee for the senate itself. the senate is only 12% black. it is overwhelmingly red. what do you think it will take to defeat a common republican with the circumstances? >> this race is going to be critically important. i believe that this race will to decide the fate of democracy in our country. you win in places like kentucky by actually listening to people and meeting where they are and inspiring the vision that encourages people to believe that things are different. our issues are not partisan. people will say that kentucky is red but we are really just disenfranchised, marginalized, and forgotten about. i'm doing a move in from the hot to the hauler based on common bonds. people who voted for trump are organizing with me. those who voted for bernie pet

centers are organized with me. those who have never voted, we are going to move that here with a playbook for infrastructure. this is similar to a georgia did but in our own way. we are not just a beating rand paul, we are winning at the state and local level to. we have a 20,000 volunteers in my campaign now. i'm asking, everyone who is watching, please join us in this movement. go to charles booker dot org and help us win our future together. >> one of the things i like what you just said, a lot of political analysts get on tv and say, this is going to be the outcome of the race. i always say, have you've been a field organizer? have you ridden organizing? organizing is a thing where you do not know the outcome. you have to do the work and you see with the outcome is at the end of that at third your hard work. charles booker, thank you for being here. good luck in your race. we will see how that shapes up. please stay safe. that is it for me. i am certainly not. you could see me monday to friday streaming on peacock on the msnbc hub. be sure to follow us on facebook, a twitter, tiktok, and you to. but more news is coming up here on msnbc.

♪ ♪ ♪ this is the katie phang show live from miami, florida. we have a lot of news to cover. we have questions to answer. let's get started. after announcing one a high-profile indictment this week, we are learning that the doj will not indict a two other white house aides after they were referred for criminal contempt of congress by the january six committee. the panel calling the decision a puzzling and demanding answers. plus, my conversation with a lifelong nra member who voluntarily gave up his ar-15 after the uvalde shooting. his message also to congress. and