calling to change the course of dozens of mass shootings if they've been been adopted after the columbine school shooting in 1999. and another investigation into the trump inner circle, why the house oversight committee believes they failed former president's son-in-law jared kushner, mike have traded on his position in the trump administration to score billions of dollars from the saudi government. then, the legendary joe he could joins me for this edition of the velshi banned book club to take your questions and talk about her achingly relevant novel, 19 minutes. which follows the unfolding in the aftermath of a school shooting in a small town. velshi starts now. good morning, it is on a tree in the fifth. i am ali velshi. the people of, ali texas, are still mourning in searching for answers nearly two weeks after an 18 year old gunman killed 19 children and two teachers at

robb elementary school. the family of those victims as well as the survivors of the shooting continue to grapple with a massive failure of law enforcement. more importantly, the vice gripping with the gun industry holds to america and its lawmakers. legal actions have been filed against daniel defends, the manufacture of the ar-15 style rifle that the gunman used in the shooting. one of those positions was filed by the school staff member who previously it was wrongly claimed left open a door that the shooter had used. another -- was fired by the parents of amerie jo garza, another victim. they are -- also the manner in which they marketed their firearms. this is an issue that has been raised when somebody discovered another ads posted in social media just days before the eovaldi shooting, which featured a young child holding the firearm with the caption,,

quote trade up a trial, in the way he should go, and when he is old he will not depart from it. daniel defense will not be the only one facing scrutiny following the volley massacre. investigators will also be examining how local law enforcement handle to the uvalde shooting. the department of justice will be performing something called a critical incident review which is largely, expected to focus on what is starting to look like the deliberately delayed police response to the shooting. law enforcement has received plenty of criticism for waiting more than an hour to confront the gunman while, parents stood outside and begged them to do something. meanwhile, congress is expected back on capitol hill this week to resume work on gun control legislation. the speaker of the house nancy pelosi has vowed to bring several gun control measures to a vote. measures that will likely pass the house, but won't stand a chance in the deadlock senate where republicans will be able to use the filibuster to stop democrats from enacting sweeping changes. there are is some hope in one

bipartisan group of senators might be able to offer in the coming days. that grouping led by chris murphy has been meeting over the past week to try to come up with a compromise. not much is known yet, but the framework of that bill, or even have a bill. yes but if their meetings do result in a workable piece of legislation, it might be congress's best chance to finally enact something. the group has the backing of president biden nearly 30 years ago by the way. , during his time as a senator and chairman of the senate judiciary committee, biden successfully negotiated a ten-year assault weapons ban that was in effect from 1994 until 2004. he is calling for that bit to be reinstated, as well as a ban on high capacity magazines but republicans. are on likely to even discuss those measures. joining me now is steve bennett, producer of the rachel maddow show. also the author of the impostors how republicans quit governing and seized american politics.

steve, good morning to you. thank you for being with us. i thought of you because i need to understand that for everything that gets proposed in the wake of these shootings, that the legislative fixes, what is the possible, what is the likely on capitol hill? >> there is a chasm between what is possible in what is likely rights. no caboodle have members who returned to congress, when we see is a possibility is that there is some kind of agreement. there is talk of a bipartisan -- the can include more mental health training, money for possible full school safety. for republicans, that is pretty much the end of the list. for democrats there's still some hope of possibly adding a red flag measure. a measure that could potentially keep guns out of the hands of those who are deemed a danger to themselves and their community. but even that could be a stretch for some republicans. mitch mcconnell has suggested that he is not prepared to accept any measures on guns, and so we are dealing with a debate that has a very narrow scope. >> steve, what about executive

action or executive order. why is that not a direction of the president is going? >> right, yeah. if people tuned in waiting to see president biden announced some new executive action, which republicans appointed that. one is this perspective, there are couple problems here. one is that by definition negative actions can be undone by the next president so they have a very narrow timeframe. in addition to that let's not forget the president biden a year ago already unveiled some plans to -- guns and they were apparently narrow in scope. because the power the present when it comes to policymaking on guns is fairly narrow. so as we are inevitably having to confront right now we are dealing with a situation in which almost all of the focus is going to have to be on congress. and it is up to lawmakers to act. >> let me ask you about the bills and compromises that might be being brought together by a working group of republican and democratic senators. is there anything that is likely to come of that?

are the red lines that republican simply won't cross to make this a meaningful exercise? or is there some possibility that mitch mcconnell will say to john corden, the republican senator from texas, to work with the democrats try to find some solutions? was that meaningful and honest? >> well, yes and no. mitch mcconnell also said this week that he had a couple of press conferences in kentucky. he said that he was willing to support what he considered a package that included mental health and school safety, period. this was not a situation in which mitch mcconnell was saying that he had two ideas that he wanted to support a larger package. he was saying that from his perspective this would have to be the package. and because of the procedural hurdles with mandatory filibusters on everything of significance, they would need to see a bill that could get at least ten votes from the republican side. even with these investigations underway, for five republicans involved, even if there were compromise and all 45 of those republicans were on board, they still need to find additional votes in order to clear that filibuster hurdle.

i'm skeptical of those votes will be there. >> republicans tend to want to talk about both mental health issues and school security issues. neither of which are relevant to the discussion. the issue is the weight that gets put on those things versus manufacturing liability access to these guns, as you mentioned, red flag laws or background checks. so the problem is that it seems that democrats and republicans think of this as an either or when it could in fact be all or most of the above. >> i completely agree. in fact, it is important to emphasize that this is not a situation in which there are conflicting goals. they want to have a package that includes funding for things like mental health programs and school safety. democrats could very easily accept those terms as part of a larger piece of legislation, which includes things like background checks and other gun related measures. and solving, span it sat from. there is nothing to stop members of the congress from having what one might call an

all above approach. when we have both parties included in the same package. the problem is the democrats a farmer to compromise the republicans. they're willing to accept what's they want, and they are willing to accept what they don't. but the problem is at a time there additional elements to, this gun restrictions of any kind, there is a significant backlash among republicans saying that it is a bridge too far for them. >> steve, thanks as always to get up early to tell us about these matters. stephen bannon is the editor of the meadow block and producer of the rachel matter show. biden has pushed gun control towards the top of his agenda over the last few weeks. he has made that clear during his primetime speech on thursday night. what he did not do, as steve just mentioned, was announced an executive order or anything to the fact. and there are many parents, like my next guest manuel oliver, who have lost their own children to school shootings. they've been waiting for the government to enact protections to prevent similar occurrences in the future. on thursday, manuel oliver

tweeted, i was expecting an executive order and all we got was an executive prayer. mr. oliver joins me now. he is the father of joaquin oliver, one of the victims of the 2018 shooting at parkland, florida. he's the founder of the gun safety organization change the -- we have talked before but i've never met you in person. thank you for what you have done. i remember, i was at parkland right after the shooting, that night. and i remember talking to you about your son. a widely loved young man. from that moment, you and other parents and surviving students, you went to say, this is enough. we are going to change things. and frankly, you are efforts in those students efforts came the closest to moving the needle on things. it activated the public. why are you here, still? why are we still having the same discussions that we had going into scenes of school shootings, where young men by guns and shoot up their schools?

>> because we were betrayed. we need the straw. we went to the streets, we marched. we wrote bills and proposals and we voted for the people that it made the promise of standing with us. >> many of the got elected! >> correct. correct. and now, as much as we did, they did. our politicians failed. >> we all have this national trauma when this happens. we as reporters have it because we have kept watching this happen. that is different for you. every two weeks, you gain new members of this club you never wanted to be. in people who've lost someone in a mass shooting. >> true. which makes me not be so surprised. when i heard the news, i was like, talking again, could be preventable. don't know if we thought about

everything that we are doing we are not allowed enough to make people think that we don't have to go through a tragedy, or suffer what we suffer, to be part of the solution. >> is that you are not loud enough, or that the gun lobby is so loud? they have such a grip. people have described the gun lobby as a protection rackets. particularly for republicans. where if they decide to change their views on guns, they will get on seated. we saw this with a republican congressman in buffalo, who call for certain gun restrictions. and then announced one week later he is not going again because he has been forced and by his party. that is the gun lobby at work. >> right. it shows that it is not about what you stand, for it is about what your party stands for. so you could be an ethical person. you could have solutions. you could really think deportation. but if your own party won't allow you to do that, shame on us if we are letting this

happen. >> what are the solutions that you most think are likely and doable? we've talked about red flag laws, background checks, going after the companies themselves, the manufacturers. advertising limitations. because they advertise on social media to young men in particular. you have study this so closely, more closely than most people have. what's do you think can work? >> anything can work. we need a addition of solutions, not one solution. at sea happening in the tobacco industry. the tobacco industry was forced to advertise the damage that their product creates on people. >> on every cigarette package. >> on every package. i've seen commercials for tobacco that could easily put an over voice on these commercials, without changing any image, and turn them into gun prevention. the fact that we are not paying attention to something very similar, getting more than

45,000 people here, it is amazing. we are ignoring that option. we need to find a way to force these criminals to do something. should be honest with the american people. >> we hear a lot of talk about school security, teachers, mental health issues. some of which may or may not be. true many teachers come in and, said i do not want to be. arm this cannot be my job. i am a teacher of students. what do you say to people who say that these things are solvable by both security and better mental health issues? >> i think it is the arguments that will make some think that they are actually finding the solution. at the end of the day, they are just selling more guns. now you have to sell another ground to a teacher. on the other, hand we have proof that more guns are not solving the problem. we have already tried all those options if you think about it. there is more officers, more guns. none of them have worked.

so how about try something? different how we try what we are proposing here? >> what you have done, and when you have proposed, that only not got people elect, is got a movement, started got people involved who weren't otherwise involved, but you also most people on your side. the truth is that most people in america believe in common sense gun solutions. like some of the things that you and i have talked about. i am probably more. how do you reconcile the most people on your side of this thing, and yet laws don't change? >> because everything is under the control, at this moment, of ten people. there are ten guys that are refusing to pass this. why? i guess that's the common ground, we already saw it. it is 19 kids being shot. that is the common ground. so, now what about the solutions to that? we are giving you the solutions. do not stop there.

because i also lost my son. i should not be the one bringing the solutions. my son is not here anymore. i do not have that risk. but you have it. so i am working for your kids. so let's put a little common sense in here, and try to really solve the problem. >> the three oliver, thank you for your. eric i appreciated. >> thank you. >> maybe the rest of us will catch up to you at some point. manuel oliver, a man who never wanted to have to be in his shoes. he's a father of a parkland shooting victim, joaquin oliver, guac. leader of the anti gun organization, it's not the ref. they put a statement to their website thing that they know that the weapon used was made by them. they're going to cooperate with law enforcement and their investigations. but nothing will come of that because are not being accused of breaking any laws. it's really not the most productive of statements that

came from denote offense. still to come, he is a former and are a lobbyist who gave ronald reagan an ar-15 shooting lesson but he is willing to compromise on gun control. a key gun rights proponent joins me to have a hard conversation about what needs to happen and how to get it done. also, the latest in the investigation into the killing of a judge in wisconsin. the suspect allegedly had a political hit list. plus we are days away from the primetime january six hearings that investigators promise will blow the roof off of capitol hill. not literally. we're expected to hear new revelations about who knew what and when. later, legendary author jodi picoult joins us for this week's meeting of the velshi banned book club. we discuss her novel, 19 minutes, about that topics the topic of school shootings head-on. head-on.

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i'm voting yes on h to recall chesa boudin now. we can't wait one more day when people are dying on our streets. >> this, morning we're following a highly disturbing case out of wisconsin. where a former judge was found dead it what authorities are calling a targeted killing. the suspect allegedly had a political hit list. on friday, morning authorities found the body of retired wisconsin djokovic john roemer, who was shot and killed in his own home. the 68-year-old served on the junos city council circuit court for over a decade. according to senior law enforcement official, he was allegedly found dead zip tied to a chair when authorities got to him. they also say, though, that this wasn't a random attack, it was targeted. according to state records, the suspect was sentenced to six years in jail by this

particular judge in 2005. right now, the gunman is hospitalized in critical condition after suffering a gunshot wound that state authorities say was apparently self inflicted. on top of all that, to senior law enforcement officials prepared on the incident tell nbc news that authorities found what's seem to be a hit list written by the gunman with names of prominent politicians on it. including republican senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, democratic wisconsin governor tony beavers and democratic michigan governor gretchen whitmer among others. for more on this let's bring in frank the lucy, he's a security analyst and former assistant director for counter intelligence at the fbi. frank, good morning to you, thank you for being with us. this one is a confusing one because i'm not even sure how we're supposed to think about this. is this a guy convicted by a judge going after the judge who convicted him? which i'm sure has to be a worry something on its own. is it a conspiracy theorist, is it a guy who thinks is part of

a militia? which you actually can't be a part of in america. or is that something else? what do you think about when you see this? >> well, reading through their initial preliminary reports, which are often inaccurate but it is what we've got. the short answer seems to be, ali, all of the above. in other words, this person seems to be what behavioral scientists call a grievance collector. yes, the initial grievance became personal with the judge that sentenced him and he had lots of time in prison to brood and obsess over this judge. and, then you see him litigating, he litigate everything in his past criminal history as well. and he loses all of his attempts at litigating his past convictions, sentences, even search warrants. they're tossed out of court routinely. so, he collects his grievances, he believes that people are at to get him. but, then we see a transition. because if you look at a social media postings, the grievances are no longer personal. now, he is lashing out at everybody from hillary clinton

to janet reno. he believes that everybody's guns are about to be confiscated. he's posted that martial law is imminent, back in november of 2016. so, it appears that -- it becomes personal for him. he is very pro trump in his social media postings. why do i say that? because his ideology, if there is, one seems to fall right in line with that kind of maga ideology. they're going to come take our guns, hillary clinton should be duck taped. there's a literal photo of her being duck taped with a derogatory term toward her. so, he's falling into that thinking, thinking i have been radicalized by this group. if you're not trump enough, because people will say wait a minute, there's republicans on it at, list what's up with that? well, it would appear from his ideologies that they are not republican enough for him. so, the notion that rhetoric

doesn't radicalize people is absolutely wrong. he has been radicalized, he may have even had lots of time and present to get radicalized by far-right rhetoric. i think we're going to begin to learn more about him. as four and a militia, ali, lots of people walk around saying they're part of a militia. those guys meant a lot of time and present, not sure there is actually a name to his militia that were ever going to learn. but it's become the thing to do. i love guns, the government side to get me, therefore, i'm part of a militia now. >> what do you do about this? i mean, in the old days we used to think these are just one of things and it's somebody who either has grievances or imbalances. when it becomes part of the environment like you're talking about, when he's repeating things that we hear both on conspiracy theories circles and in far-right circles, how do you even start to think about remedying that? because it's too late for authorities, once something like this happens, typically. sometimes you see a social media trail, but often it

happens all we learn about these things after the fact. >> well, i know this is going to sound very easy but the first thing i focus on as a law enforcement guy is why is a convicted balloon in possession of. again that is a big big red mark, and we need to figure out how he got a gun as a repeatedly convicted felon. , so he's likely in illegal possession of the gun. that's the easy part, the radicalization par year referring to is something that we as a society stock come to grips with. the role of social media is absolutely prominent in the radicalization process, whether you're talking about international violence and jihad or whether you're now talking about slaughtering americans here for domestic reasons. if we don't come to grips with regulating social media, improve algorithms and understand that free speech comes with responsibility, then we're going to keep going with this wild west on facebook and other platforms. >> frank, i know it's uniquely

early for you because we are times, on that you are the person we thought about when we said we need to just get some clarity as to how you even think about a terrible thing like this. so, molly deeply appreciative. frank figliuzzi is an msnbc analyst and former director of candor tolerance at the fbi. we're just ten days away from the much anticipated generate six public hearings on the committees leaders have a direct message for the american public. no one is above the law. one is above the law. thanks, dad. that's right, robert. and it's never too early to learn you could save with america's number one motorcycle insurer. that's right, jamie. but it's not just about savings. it's about the friends we make along the way. you said it, flo. and don't forget to floss before you brush. your gums will thank you. -that's right, dr. gary. -jamie? sorry, i had another thought so i got back in line. what was it? [ sighs ] i can't remember. while wayfair is installing your new refrigerator what was it? and hauling away your old one. you're binging the latest true crime drama.

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the very first public hearing from the january 6th select committee, where we are supposed to hear long-awaited revelations and brand-new details about the unfolding of the insurrection in the attack on the capital. lawmakers have now spent almost a year gathering evidence and witness testimony, and jamie raskin says the revelations will be brought to the public next week proving that donald

trump is, quote, a one man crime wave. the -- four these hearings are growing by the day. on friday, peter navarro was arrested. and he was charged with contempt of crime. just fyi, this is steve bannon on this right now. they've arrested peter navarro. steve bannon was also somebody was arrested for contempt of congress for refusing to cooperate with the committee. however, the department of justice said it would not prosecute other members of trump's inner circle who have defied subpoenas. mark meadows and the social media director dan can be no, despite the fact that those numbers will be charged with contempt as well. this news did not start with the committee. -- and congressman liz cheney calls the decision not to prosecute the two men, quote, puzzling. they tweet a statement saying, quote, we hope the provides greater clarity on this matter. no one is above the law. when asked about this, and the justice department's decision not to indict an attorney for mark meadows told nbc news,

quote the results speak for itself. in attorney scavino issued a statement saying, we are grateful that the doj executed sound judgment deciding not to prosecute this case. joining me now is kyle trying, legal affairs reporter for politico. good morning to you kyle, thank you for being with us. what is your take on why steve bannon and the borough have been charged. the president cited. it's good we know and meadows haven't been. >> this is not going to satisfy the select committee. but navarro and daniel really going to collapse to define this committee. they did not engage at all. they basically said when they got a subpoena, no thanks. we claimed executive privilege, basically refused to engage in the slightest. so for doj, that is basically a layup. you did not even pretend to take it seriously. where's mothers and scavino

spent months going back and forth with the committee, discussing the scope of testimony. meadows even providing documents that would become key to the investigation. so well i think the committee is not satisfied with that, that was at least the distinction between these cases. >> what about what we are going to hear from the committee we have? heard expressions like blow the roof off. we have heard the donald trump is a one-man crime wave. there is some sense that the committee has a better fuller committee than the rest of us have about. it but that is not going to move and the needles for anybody. nobody watching this show is going to change their mind about anything. the issue is for everybody who is not watching the show, who does not watch this network, who doesn't read politico,, what might they do that is might change minds? >> i think they want to do -- you or write that the basic narrative of what has happened has been over for sometime. donald trump was impeached over it in the very public way. and it is shocking some of the information that has been out there for several years at this point. which i think the committee

wants to do is show not just what happened, but how close we came to seeing our democracy get overthrown essentially. and to a lot more violence and death than actually did occur. which was bad enough. it was much closer to a far worse and far scarier and devastating outcome for our country than it actually. was and they want to under-store the stakes for the future to. which is, this is not over yet. this is not going crisis. i think all they're going to try to thread together. >> that is actually, possibly, a hard one to understand. especially for people who except would happen on january 6th. they know who is to blame. a lot of people look at to january six as something in the rearview mirror from which we should move on. how does the committee a, make the case that this is ongoing. that there is, in fact, perpetrators of this coup who might be smarter about it the next time around. in, they really can't do anything about it anyway. the january six committee. they are not equipped to do

anything about it. besides tell us about it. >> exactly. when you ask, them what is your goal for this hearing, you get several different answers. one is that you have to document this for history to show where they thought it was. but two, the next thing is to highlight that we are not out of the woods yet. they want to show, we were the people that stood up against this effort and prevent that from actually going further. people like mike pence people like brad raffensperger, secretary of state in georgia, who may not be there next time depending on the circumstances. depending on how certain elections go. we are already seeing some of those lower level elected officials being replaced by people who are not as willing to stand up against these pressure tactics in the future. so i think that is what they want to show. who stood up there, and who might not be there next time. >> kyle, thank you so. much of the statute. kyle cheney is a senior affairs reporter with politico, who is about to have a remarkably busy week. coming, up unsanitary conditions forced the closure of a major baby formula plant in michigan, which combined with the pandemic supply chain

pressures, cause massive crises that american parents have been suffering through for weeks now. that's plant in michigan is reopening this weekend. we are gonna get the latest on what this means and how soon american families can expect relief. that is next on velshi.

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production of his baby formula amid a nationwide shortage. the factory closed earlier this year because of a contamination issue after an fda infection found samples of bacteria, prompting a massive recall of the company's products. now, this reopening will bring relief to a lot of parents across the country who are struggling to feed their infants because abbott nutrition is said to control roughly 48% of the baby formula market. and it's planted sturgis's its biggest. joining me now is nbc's jesse kirsch, who is live in sturgis, michigan outside the abbott nutrition plant. jesse, first of, all i can't imagine i would ever be introducing a report outside of baby formula plant, because this is not as very anyone expected to happen. but now, the reopening of this plant is something that lots and lots of pairs around this country are very closely watching. >> yeah, absolutely, ali. this was one of those shortage of products that were going over under the surface, is in the back after months of the

pandemic. but then this plant was shut down in february that exacerbated the issue, made it tremendously worse, it appears. because now we're looking at a situation where, according to data assemblies latest numbers, close to 75% of the stock in the country is out of stock right now. so, we're looking at only about 25% availability in this country of baby formula overall. some states, upwards of 90% are out of shock according to data assembly. so, that just gives you an idea of the serious situation that we're in. so, this really certainly cannot come soon enough for families. but of course, this is just the beginning because it's not going to be the flip of a switch. production has restarted here, abbott nutrition tells us, but we're still looking at a situation where the formula is not going to be released from here until around june 20th. so, they have a target date but they don't know exactly when this formula is going to be released. because of continues to be a process of restarting when it's been a months long shut down here. you talked about that potential

contamination issue here. the other concern was there were four babies who had been consuming formula that was produced here, for babies who end up having bacterial infections and had to be hospitalized. two of them died, possibly in connection with those infections according to the fda. but we do want to stress that abbott has said that they found no connection between the infections and the illnesses and their formula. so, this has been an ongoing process and there's still more to be done here, certainly. >> jesse, thanks for reporting. we appreciate. it jesse coaches live and sturgis, michigan. coming up next, follow the money. by the house oversight committee is investigating the son-in-law of a certain twice impeached ex president. resident my a1c stayed here, it needed to be here. ruby's a1c is down with rybelsus®. my a1c wasn't at goal, now i'm down with rybelsus®.

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almost guarantee that he will not go about his eventual trip to saudi arabia, if it happens. like this. remember this very strange moment back in 2017. then president donald trump decided to make saudi arabia, of all places, his first foreign trip as president. this image shows the egyptian president, the saudi king, and donald trump all looming over this weird ominous orb. it is going to forever be seared into our brains. among the people on that inaugural trip was donald trump's son-in-law jared kushner, a man with,, let me count, zero prior experience in diplomacy. in keeping with trump's habits, kushner soon became the presidents de facto peacemaker in the middle east. sorry for all these air quotes, but there is no other way to do this. kushner subsequently traveled to the middle east ten separate times during the four years of the trump administration. one of the things he was supposed to be doing while he was there was collecting money for something called the

abraham fund. that fund was meant to finance all types of projects in the middle east. and kushner spent the last few months of the trump presidency jet-setting around the arab states to raise large sums of money to make that happen. in fact, kushner was so busy raising all this money that he missed the entire january 6th insurrection. because he was on his way back to america, from of all places, saudi arabia. kushner was determined, pretty much down to the final minutes of the trump's time in office, was reportedly working on these very official diplomatic efforts. except for all that effort, the abraham fund never came to fruition. as the new york times puts, it quote, it was little more than talk with no accounts. no employees. no income. no projects. the fund vanished as soon as mr. trump left office. so, what then, was mr. kushner doing the whole time? according to multiple reports published by the new york times, trump's son-in-law was in fact securing a deal.

it just was not one on behalf of the u.s. government or the u.s. people, or possibly for any middle eastern country, for that matter. it was for himself. back in april, the new york times put it the first of several scathing peaches about pushers dealing is in the middle east. it outlined how he and other officials were quite likely using their government positions to line their pockets with billions once they left office. once they left -- before you point out how the revolving door between -- and public enemies is always present, i want to explain why this time was different. this is not your typical transaction that even had the faint of the new year of being an arms length removed from kushner's government work. jarrett kushner, a man with, let me count, zero professional investment experience, opened a private if a equity firm, affinity partners, the literal day after donald trump left off

office. because optics be damned, there was money on the, table in no time to. waste according to the times, a saudi government wealth fund invested two billion dollars in this fund that was run by a guy who has never run a fund. according to the year times, even saudi arabia's own financial advisers warned that the investment was a very bad idea, given that kushner had no experience and no other investors at the time. but that was overruled by mohammad bin salman, known as mbs. why would he do that? some people with more than two brain cells and critical reasoning skills have suggested that maybe because jarred's father in law, the twice impeached former president, really went out of his way to develop a special relationship with the saudi king. after he rounded up into prisons hundreds of his family members and signed off on the brutal kidnapping and gruesome

murder and dismemberment of the washington post journalist jamal khashoggi, according to the cia. the saudis two billion dollar investment with kushner, at the time when his father-in-law was chasing another run of the presidency, seems mutually beneficial. especially if kushner is able to get back into the oval office. so, all this leads us to the latest developments in this saga. last thursday, the house oversight committee announced that it was investigating whether kushner used his position to power in the u.s. government, to procure billions of dollars for himself. in a letter to mr. kushner, the committee sketch a detailed account of his relationship with saudi officials and gabe kushner two weeks to hand over documents. responding to the letter, a spokesperson for kushner said, quote, well achieving six peace deals in the middle east mr. kushner fully abided by all legal and ethical guidelines. both during and after his government service.

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attorney's office to pursue justice for everyone. but like so many of my colleagues, i resigned in protest because chesa boudin interfered in every single case and failed to do his job. the office is absolutely in disarray right now. chesa dissolved my unit prosecuting car break-ins. now criminals flock to san francisco because there are no consequences. we can't wait. recall chesa boudin now. discuss the new congressional investigation into jared kushner's personal deals with saudi arabia, whether he

leveraged his power while in the white house to make those deals, and what congress intends to do about, it is democratic congressman roger -- of illinois. he is member of the house oversight intelligence committee. the committees is investigating kushner's two billion dollar investment in the saudis. congressman, good to see you this morning. >> good morning, ali. i want to quote a couple things from the letter that your -- has said to jerry kushner when asked documentation within the next two weeks. you write a letter, the committee on oversight or for any whether you have improperly traded on your government position. to obtain billions of dollars from the saudi government. and here is where it gets interesting. and whether your personal financial interests improperly influenced u.s. foreign policy during the administration of your father in law, former president trump. this is the most interesting part. it is kind of gross if people trade on their office for personal gain. but it is probably true that people have done that in the past. the issue is whether or not

donald trump's purported activities, having to do with the middle east through jared kushner, were influenced by this promise or potential promise of personal enrichment. >> that is right. for six years, on your program, i have been sounding the alarm about jerry kushner being a walking talking conflict of interest. mainly because of his personal financial troubles, which we have described before. but i was concerned about him having access to top secret information through security clearances. then being able to manage nuclear technology expert policies, especially with regard to the saudis. and, now the conduct of american foreign policy in the middle east. what we are really concerned about is, when did the saudis get in return for basically making a two billion dollar investment in his fund? because as you pointed out before, the saudi economic

advisers who have are viewed jerry kushner's investment management said that it was, quote unquote, unsatisfactory in all respects. combined of the fact that mbs said that he quote had jared kushner in his pocket, we have to wonder, did jerry kushner share intelligence information with the saudis? did he try to influence the foreign policy so we look the other way with regard to human rights abuses in yemen as well as our cat crackdown on dissidents in saudi arabia? and finally the brutal assassination of jamal khashoggi. these are all questions. and also, when he made a promise with regard to future foreign policy, should his father-in-law be back in the white house. >> this is what doubly complicates this. this might have been payback. some have alleged that. payback for what happened of the trump administration, despite the fact that saudi

arabia should have been to look a pariah for those things that you just mentioned. but there is this extra complicating factor of the fact that donald trump is an undeclared president candidate. in 2024. what can you do about this? >> i think that first of all we have to shine a light on any kind of correspondence, information, and the communications, between jared kushner and the saudis. during the time that he was, quote unquote, conducting foreign policy with regards to saudi arabia and the middle east. you are, right he did not fund any kind of abraham fun. instead he funding another a lacquered funds, namely affinity fund, which he owns. by the way, not only did the saudis make it a two billion dollar investment in this affinity fund, which jared kushner is the sole honor of. but it is also going to generate $25 million in annual fee income for none other than jared kushner alone.

and so, we have to wonder, what are they getting in return for that $25 million that they are providing to him every year? and so, now we also have to look at, are the saudis helping to punish joe biden politically through their hiking of oil prices, their conduct of energy policy with regards to the united states, and so forth. it is a very tangled web that jerry kushner has waived for us. >> derek kushner and other government officials or traveling to the middle east for a while under the auspices of developing policy, a peace plan. by the way a peace plan is supposed to be between israel and the palestinians. that's did not quite unfolds the way it was supposed to. part of the problem here is not just that government officials might line their pockets in the course of their work. but there is an allegation put forward by the new york times reporting that in fact, this was meant to be something --

relations and negotiators on behalf of the american people for the benefit of middle east peace. and into was entirely something else. that is a whole different thing. even if jerry kushner was not running his, pockets there is mr. spurts isn't a shunt of white durkan was doing on the public dime as an official of the administration for the last four years. for the four years that donald trump was in office. >> that is exactly right. when we have a top foreign policy official and diplomats and for that matter even members of the intelligence community, who are conducting business on behalf of the united states, it is done for the last interest of the american people. in this particular case, it may have a good note really both the interest of the american people, look in the best interest of jared kushner's pocketbook. and potentially his father in law, by the way. who we still don't completely understand the connection between him and his father in law's finances. and, so this is just a horrible

perversion of foreign policy with regards to saudi arabia. and we need to shine a light on it. and we need to probably strengthen the laws surrounding the accident transparency of the finances of our foreign policy officials and others, with regard to their conduct of policy while they are in office. in connection with their own personal finances. >> congressman, good to see this morning. thank you for taking time to join. as democratic representative roger -- of illinois. straight, ahead the gun debate with an actual gun rights proponent who is willing to come to the negotiating table. plus, bestselling author jodi picoult joins us for this week's meeting of the banned book club. a new hour of velshi, begins right now. good morning at a sunday, june the 5th. if my name and the, east examine the west. i'm ali. velshi congress returns to capitol hill this week and will resume its work on gun l