vice chair liz cheney says is a broad, well-organized conspiracy to end democracy. from "the washington post" quote, the committee will draw on testimony from administration insiders including a previously obscure aide of meetings and movements in the west wing. ity committee has video recordings of meeting with i vafrng and jared kushner that some inside the process believe will make for gripping television. previously unseen video evidence and photo evidence taped interviews is set to provide an unprecedented glimpse into the inner workings of the inner circle of a president who has already been impeached twice for his conduct in office including most recently for inciting that deadly insurrection that the select committee is tasked with investigating. the mountain of evidence the

committee is about to go public with has been gleaned by more than a thousand interviews and more than 125,000 documents that's according to "the washington post." it may very well represent the last and best chance to break the fever of trumpism and the hold that trump and the big lie have on millions of our fellow citizens. the nearly year and a half since the deadly insurrection, the gop has not just memory hold january 6th itself, but in many ways it's come to embrace the insurrection and what it represented. its leaders have gone from blaming trump angrily and privately considering casting him out to the political wilderness once and for all to choosing to politically resurrect him. the party declaring the events of january 6th as legitimate political discourse and many of the same people who tried to overturn the 2020 election are now laying the groundwork to overturn the next presidential election if it doesn't go their way. new york times reports this, key figures in the effort to subvert

the 2020 presidential election have thrown their weight behind a slate of republican candidates for secretary of state across the country, injecting theories about voting machines, foreign hacking and voter fraud into campaigns that will determine who controls elections in several battleground states. a new polling shows that fewer americans blame the disgraced ex-president for the attack on the capitol. from nbc news, just 45% of americans say trump is solely or mainly responsible for the rioters who overtook the u.s. capitol during the january 6th attack versus a combined 55% who say the former president is only somewhat responsible or not really responsible. it's a shift. it's a shift from the january 2021 nbc poll taken days after the attack when 52% of respondents said trump was solely or mainly responsible compared to the 47% who disagreed. the national conversation around

the insurrection is taking place emitting massive sprawling and still expanding investigation by doj. in the last hour we learned the justice department charged the leader of the proud boys enrique tarrio and four of his top deputies with the crime of seditious conspiracy after the oath keepers will now face those charges in connection with the january 6th insurrection. it's against that backdrop this the committee will begin to tell the public story of how the insurrection came to be. here's what january 6th select committee vice chair liz cheney told cbs news about the potentially historic task ahead for the panel. >> are you confident that what you have found as the committee will somehow grab the american people by the lapels and say, "wake up. you have to pay attention"? >> i am. the threat and it's an ongoing

threat. we are not in a situation where former president trump has expressed any sense of remorse about what happened. we are, in fact, in a situation where he continues to use even more extreme language, frankly, than the language that caused the attack and so people must pay attention. people must watch and they must understand how easily our democratic system can unravel if we don't defend it. >> january 6th select committee preparing for historic clearings amid a clear and present danger for democracy from donald trump. that's where we start the hour, former senator claire mccaskill was here and charlie sikes, editor in large of the bull work and the national investigative reporter all msnbc contributors. i want to start with not the breaking news, but the ancient history of watergate with you, charlie sikes. this is from npr, and i want to

put two things on the table for you first, charlie. nixon's approval rally spiked to 68% when it began, but the watergate trickle of news had begun to erode his standings that his gallup was down to 48% when the hearing startsed, still higher than trump. all of it higher than trump. the measure hit generally downward hit 31%, bottoming out at 24% as he left office a year later. the hearings clearly played a role. before they began only 31% of quartgate thought it was a serious matter and not just politics and 19% thought nixon should be removed from office over it. after the hearings, 53% felt it was a serious matter and more 71% had come to see nixon as culpable, at least to some extent. we all know what fox news will do, and what trump will do. we also know that trump is deeply triggered combie anything else.

>> they love him so much they couldn't love him more than they love him. he cares what "the new york times" says and he cares what's on our airwaves and others and the truth is the january 6th committee doesn't need to convince that the hanging of mike pence's bag, and they just need to convince americans that happened. >> the flashback to watergate is interesting, but also a reminder of how much our politics have changed since the 1970s, and i have long thought that if you have an immediate ecosystem that we have now that richard nixon would have survived watergate. look, i think these hearings are going to be quite compelling. i think they understand the importance of live television to convince the american public how serious this was, to make it vivid, to remind them exactly how horrible this attack on a democracy was and donald trump

is worried about this. i'll tell you what he's focusing on. he's focused on the fact that this is live television. he's focusing on the fact that they've hired a documentary maker to do all of this, because this is really on his turf. he sees everything through that lens, but having said that, liz cheney makes the point that all americans -- unfortunately, many of the americans who need to see it the most will not be watching it. we don't have this unified, media landscape that we used to have. i think it's going to be compelling, but i think it would be somewhat naive to think that they have the kind of effect that the watergate hearings had in 1973 because our tribalism and partisan differences are just two -- have become too hardened about this, but we'll see. my -- i have high expectations for how this this hearing is

going to play out. it's been a while since the 1/6 committee and i want to share you some of the testimony that shook not just the president, but the ecosystem. they described medieval hand to hand combat at the hand of the current supporters, the insurrectionists. >> on january 6th, for the first time i was more afraid to work in the capitol in my entire employment in iraq. >> they began to beat me with their fists and hard metal objects and i came with an attacker who attempted to remove my firearm. i heard chanting from some in the crowd "get his gun and kill him with his own gun." i was aware enough to recognize i was at risk of being stripped of and killed with my own firearm. i was electrocuted again and again and again with a taser.

>> i was effectively defenseless and gradually sustaining injury from the increasing pressure of the mob. directly in front of me a man seized the opportunity of my vulnerability, grabbed the front of my gas mask and used it to beat my head against the door and switched it pulling it off my head. >> one woman in a pink maga shirt said you hear that, guys? "this [ expletive ] voted for joe biden." another black officer later told me he'd been confronted by insurrectionists in the capitol who told him put your gun down and we'll show you what kind [ expletive ] you really are. i will respect the beats and people should know the crassness of trump supporters. we obviously know what the rest of those words were and that's

that trump put into motion and that's what trump subjected law enforcement officials to and they're just standing by resurrecting, and i want to -- i don't want to play this, but i want to remind my viewers what happened on the other network. laura ingram gave awards for crisis actor, smeared all those law enforcement officials and there's nothing that's come out about them that suggests they've done anything other than their jobs and officers have died by suicide from trump ex-supporters. >> each with the bleeps, nicole, i am so glad you replay the experience, the real-life experiences of police officers who came to work to protect lawmakers' lives. that's their lives. they protect the capitol, the staff inside, but most important the vips and the u.s. members of

congress, house and senate and those people were running for their lives while police officers were getting their chests beat in and as michael fannonheard protesters above him about taking the gun and shooting him with. he had a heart attack from the experience he had. i've heard from families from the officers who committed suicide in the days after who were so traumatized by the experience they had. >> what's so striking about this from a political standpoint is if you're a republican, a member of the republican party, you traditionally have held that, defending law and order, defending law and order and law enforcement officers from criminals is a key piece of your platform, but the republican party of today is afraid to defend those law enforcement

officers because donald trump has told all of them that all of this was very pleasant. january 6th was a group of tourists, friends of his who were peaceful and loving and came into the capitol simply wanting to tour it. of course, we all have the video that shows that's completely false, but it's just another reminder, and i will add to your great summary with this video montage of the officers, january 6th committee, i'm told, has a lot of new video to share and they're going to merge that with president trump's own words so prepare to be chilled again. >> look, i want to do two things with you, clara. first i want to show you something jimmy raskin said and i want to talk about the gentleman who has been brought in, the former president of abc news to produce the january 6th hearing and to put into motion all of the things that we've bemoaned about the failures of the mueller report, perhaps in

the end we decide that we have learned those lessons and they've hired someone who is an old hand in news who is known for, let's say, highlighting the sensational and the things he has produced in his legacy at abc news. his name is james goldsmith and we'll talk about him in a second and i want to show you first what jamie raskin said today in an interview with "the washington post". >> we are going to tell the story about conspiracy to overturn the 2020 presidential election and block the transfer of power. so this is an extraordinary and unprecedented event in our history. you really have to go back to the civil war to understand anything like it, but of course, there the confederates never denied that abraham lincoln had actually won the election. they just wanted to secede from the union, but here we had an effort to lie about who won the

election and then a concerted, multi-step effort to overturn the results of the election and all of it was backed up by a violent assault on the u.s. capitol which drove the house and the senate members out of our respective chambers and shut down the counting of electoral college votes for the first time in american history for several hours. >> so, claire, because trump has been impeached twice and investigated for the first two years of his presidency by fbi director robert mueller, we are almost accustomed to the dereliction of duty which is what the january 6th committee's case builds toward, but we've never seen it produced by again, someone who took nightline from a documentary really into something much more sensationalized and if you can

imagine what raskin said more like the hamilton wrath and that's what commences thursday night. >> i think it's reassuring that they have hired someone to help them tell the story. they have to grip the american public, and i'm not talking about those who strongly believe that donald trump was solely responsible for january 6th and the swath of americans that think it's bad and they haven't seen it laid out in dramatic fashion and thou close our country claim to not be able to claim the mantle of democracy is about and that's what this is about. i think a lot of my democratic friends say this is the moment for ultimate accountability for donald trump that he will be held criminally responsible and go off to prison and he'll be gone forever. i have to tell them that's not what this is about. this is about reform. this is about figuring out ways

to harden our institutions so we never have this happen again, and i'm going to tweak those numbers and that poll a little bit for you, nicole, unlike watergate where they started out with a hearing where the vast majority of americans did not think nixon was responsible. if you look at the numbers in the poll they referenced earlier, 65% of americans believe that donald trump is somewhat all the way to solely responsible. 65%. so a man can know who is behind this. it is now about showing them the dramatic events that occurred, and why all those members of congress were scared for their lives. why the secret service willing to whisk the vice president out of there for his life and that's what they've got to do and hopefully this is nothing like watergate hearings which was a

lot of white men asking lots of boring questions with some dramatic moments sprinkled in or like most congressional hearings where people want to turn the channel because every senator or congressman is trying to get their moment and sound bite. hopefully this tells the story that is easily consumable by the american public. >> charlie, to that end let's me tell you about goldsten, former president of abc news and a master at documentary story telling of nightline has joined the committee as an unannounced adviser. axios learned the hearing will be a mix of live witnesses and pre-produced video until the committee has gained access from white house photographs from 2021 that have never been seen publicly and only a fraction of the surveillance footage from inside the capitol and all kinds of angles captured have been shown. many of the depositions were videotaped.

we will see clips. it is the first time that that is highway the case against trump will be made and again, everybody making the case, is or was deep in the circle mattered in the trump show. >> as i am listening to the solution, was there incredibly asymmetry between robert mueller who was functioning under the old rules and in order to be serious you must be boring, that you simply lay out one fact after another and that the residual goodness and the residual strength of our institutions will come forward and hold people accountable. we found out that was not true. this committee has learned the lesson. they learned the lesson that they need to fight this in a different way, and i think that claire is absolutely right.

they need to make this really a compelling narrative. they need to show people what happened. this stoir that we are so familiar with is going to come as something new and fresh to a lot of americans. i know that that seems bizarre, but nicole, i'm glad you re-ran those interviews that the testimony from the police officers because first of all, it is incredibly powerful and it exposes the other big lie of the republicans that they support law and order and they will back the blue and they will side with the forces of order against the mob. those are compelling testimonies and laura ingram may try to mock those police officers, but that testimony on millions of television screens is going to have an impact and once again, to repeat myself, the one person who really does know that is donald trump which is why we're going to get so much smoke and

dust, attempting to delegitimize this process because it is so powerful. >> which usually has the impact, focusing on his base who would love to be distracted by something else. there's no chance that he will be distracted, so neither will they. your paper has such great reporting and i want it focus what the prime time hearings will be. they'll drill down on particular aspects of the plot. another hearing, for example, is likely to focus at least in part of alternate slates of trump electors and the final hearing is likely to be led by congressman adam kin zinger and congresswoman elaine loria and trump and what he did and what he said before january 6th and on that day. the person familiar with the plaining say the few remaining bombshells will come in the final hearing and the most notable piece of evidence

against the ex-president that he expressed support for hanging vice president mike pence has been reported. you and your colleague also reported on a lot on what happened that day, but it again, taking the opportunity the national stage and the roadblock coverage to show it to the entire country as part of a cohesive story is not anything that has happened thus far. >> i think, nicole, you are going to see some bombshells that day. i applaud my colleagues who have been reporting on this curtain raiser for the hearings to come. the one that will be led and focussed on donald trump, i understand, will have a lot of donald trump's own words as relayed by witnesses, as relayed by donald trump himself, people who were at his shoulder and you will see a kind of a split screen. what was happening on the capitol at the same moment as what was happening inside the

white house with donald trump. the giddiness initially has phil rucker and i reported in our book that trump showed when he saw that his supporters were engaging in multiple felonies and trumping up the side of the hill with weaponry, flag poles and fire extinguishers and bear spray and two-way radios as if they were in a paramilitary event. so you will see this split screen of what was donald trump doing, what was he saying? and then what was actually happening on the capitol. the violence and the mayhem and the terror that he could have stopped and chose not to. this goes to the heart of what liz cheney warned early on, the dereliction of duty. she has brought that up over and over again and i think that will be a big subtheme of that hearing. >> yeah. that's where i was going, too.

liz cheney has already sort of telegraphed where the dereliction of duty came in and where, perhaps, some of the investigation was heading and it was months ago that she did that, perhaps as early as january and they have the goods and you do, too, in your reporting, carol that you celebrated. the other thing, having worked in a white house on 9/11 there was never any security crisis at the white house, he was never moved down and it was during the riots after the murder of george floyd. so we know they were not afraid to protect him if he was at risk and not only was he not at risk and it sounds like he was enjoying himself and it sounded like he was excited about the gallows erected to hang mike pence. thank you so much for starting us off today. claire and carol are sticking around. we'll keep this going. the january 6 blth committee has announced the second hearing monday at 10:00 a.m. and we'll move on to the department of

justice investigation into the insurrection. they've charged another extremist group this time the proud boys with the most serious charge that we've seen to date, seditious condition spir see for his role in the insurrection. plus, he's been described as a trump whisperer and described as sloppy steve. he was fired from the white house, arrested and then pardoned. now he's one of the biggest promoters of the big lie. there is a new piece of investigative journalism that looks at how steve bannon has become an even more dangerous threat to the country and its democracy. gun advocates marching in washington this afternoon demanding action. is there any new reason to be optimistic today? all of those stories and more after "deadline white house" continues after a quick break. stay with us. ite house" continues after a quick break. stay with us sion. it made me feel trapped in a fog. this is art inspired by real

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returning to the breaking news we mentioned at the top of the hour, five members of the proud boys including its leader enrique tarrio and four of his lieutenants have been charged with seditious conspiracy. it is the most serious charge to be brought so far in the justice department's criminal investigation into the january 6th insurrection. from the announcement of today's charges which come on top of previously filed charges against the proud boys, quote, tarrio and his co-defendants all of whom were leaders and members of the ministry of self-defense conspired to prevent, hinder and delay the certification of the electoral college vote and to oppose by force the electoral government of the united states. on january 6, 2021, the defendants directed, mobilized

and led members of the crowd on to the capitol grounds and into the capitol leading to dismantling of metal barricades, destruction of property, breaching of the capitol building and assaults on law enforcement. during and after the attack, tarrio and his co-defendants claimed credit for what had happened on social media and in an encrypted chat room the proud boys are the second extremist organization associated with the january 6th attack to face seditious conspiracy charges into the investigation. harry lipman, former u.s. attorney and former assistant attorney general and host of a podcast. harry, what's your take on the significance of of a second group being charged with seditious conspiracy today? >>. >> yeah. so two things, first, this is the top of the charts and not just the most serious charge that has been brought and the most serious charge that will be

brought. you think about the other charges from trespass to monkeying around on january 6th, this is the actual plotting to overthrow the government of the united states. that's as serious as it gets and this is really the department of justice going straight to the heart and the -- in the most consequential of charges. second, it's a tough one and a rare one that the department has brought in a handful of times in the last hundred years and there's often a first amendment defense and in this instance, it shows the department being aggressive and at least to the deputy attorney general if not, merrick garland and they're saying look, this is what happened here and not simply unruly behavior know and an attempt to overthrow the united

states and even if it's risky. it's gutsy, aggressive and i think an appropriate move for the most serious of offenders and that's who these guys are. >> so tarrio wasn't in washington that day. the indictment mentions encrypted chats and i want you to help us understand what a conspiracy looks like. i want to first show what trump thought of the proud boys, what he wanted them to do. here he is with chris wallace. >> are you willing tonight to condemn white supremacists and militia groups and to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence at a number of these cities as we saw in kenosha and as we've seen in portland? >> sure. i'm willing to do that. >> go ahead, sir. >> i would say almost everything i see is from the left wing not from the right wing. >> what are you saying? >> i'm willing to do anything. i want to see peace. >> then do it, sir. say it. >> you want to call them -- what do you want to call them? >> white supremacists. >> proud boys. >> proud boys stand back and

stand by, but i'll tell you what, somebody has to do something about antifa and the left. >> i played that because i remembered some reporting in "the new york times" that said prosecutors were starting to ask some of these defendants questions about what they believe donald trump wanted them to do, and i wonder in your view if that sound bite could come to ensnare donald trump in their defenses. >> it's really possible. look, it's seditious conspiracy, that means an agreement among many people to -- that they all have the same goal, but they can do dipt things and they can have maynor roles and that could be the most criminal action ever in the sedition of the united states, but what you say is really true. we do have the whole sort of

development of what the connection between trump on the one hand and the proud boys, oath keepers on the other, prance mediated by the bannons and flynns of the world. we're talking conspiracy, anyone who joins it and that means they basically sign up for the goal and does anything is potentially guilty. so that's absolutely something that is now on the table even though it seems inconceivable that a former president would be charged with that. that's benedict arnold and worse kind of territory. >> shock always delays our ability to see trump as clearly as we should. >> carol leonnig, i want to ask you about the 1/6 committee. it seems like one of the probes has also focused on foreign

knowledge of potential for violence and the special assistance to president donald j. trump and mark meadows and the special assistant is the second or third most highest ranking official, what her testimony provides is knowledge that by the end of december, mark meadows knew there was an attempt on january 6th, and i wonder if you think this look at producing evidence that tries to prove or tell the story about how they all knew there was a potential for violence and these seditious conspiracy investigations at doj could ever intersect. >> so you know, i'll take this question differently, if i can, nicole, because i think there are two tracks, one in which the department of just moving forward very aggressively especially in recent days. there are people that complained that the doj did very little in the year of biden's tenure to

dig down into this, but recently, very aggressive on going after people who used violent means in a conspiracy to block the transfer of power, block an official congressional proceeding and ultimately try to send our democracy off the roller coaster rails. there's a conspiracy that can be argued that was nonviolent, but also was in agreement among a group of people and what i call team trump and there's been evidence produced by good reporting and witnesses that have come before the january 6th committee and in that conspiracy there wasn't the use of weapons and there was the use of the bully pulpit of the president to engage in a fraud and that he knew it was a fraud and he's been told numerous times that he knew the election had been rigged. it's not true. he argues that a series of swing

states, dead people had not voted, that's not true. that the results would have been different if the election had been fairly monitored. his attorney general told donald trump which was not true. that promotion of the big lie and the effort to use all of the levers of power that trump had his hands on behind the green curtain is another kind of conspiracy. using the weaponry that wasn't violent. it's a trickier conspiracy to charge, but in all sort of corporate settings and in other public government and service settings people have been charged with this conspiracy and what i think a lot of critics of the department of justice would say is that this attorney general has not aggressively proceeded with that. while the january 6th committee obviously is honed in like a bee on the honey como that exact issue, a non-violent conspiracy to promote the big lie and to

trick all of trump's supporters and to foment violence, mix mum pressure on january 67th. i guess, claire, the only point when you're in the trump inner conspiracy screen, trump does nothing. he cheered the idea of hanging mike pence. he told the insurrectionists to fight like hell or they won't have a country and hand to hand combat and many of them were republicans and they were people who prior to january 6th might have even been enthusiastic about the riot? we don't know, but they had no political association or a fill yagsz until they were named by trump supporters who sent to the capitol. he said i'll go with you. we'll go from here to the

ellipse. and the charge of violence and the congressional committee's interest in understanding how much they knew about the potential for violence. what are you watching for in either of the doj probe or the congressional hearings? >> well, first, the president of the united states was asked to condemn white supreme activities and violence associated with white supremacists and spikily was asked about the proud boys and he did not condemn them. he told them to stand by. >> stand by! >> a few months later he said don't stand by anymore, come to washington. stop the peaceful transfer of power. he asked them to no longer stand by. that is a very important point of evidence, and if you look at the two conspiracies you put them into buckets and one is violent activity that we all watched at our beloved capitol on january 6th and then the

conspiracy that was team trump and pulling the levers to try to stop a legitimate election from having its natural course which is the peaceful transfer of power. the interesting thing is the conspiracy did more damage to the democracy. >> yeah. the promotion of a big lie or the violence in the capitol? i could argue that the more damaging conspiracy was one that continues to this very day where there are powerful people with money around the country supporting candidates who are doing nothing, but saying donald trump's election was stolen. he is the president. we've got candidates running for the senate in missouri that are talking about reinstating him when he gets elected to the senate. it is nutty and so damaging toward a democracy because it undermines everybody's beliefs that elections count and that to me is a really powerful argument

that the non-violent conspiracy is way more damaging than the violent one. >> we need to reconvene tomorrow because i think what carol puts on the table is that merrick garland's critics are critics for the reason you just articulated, claire, that a lot of people think that the second conspiracy, i'm not convinced it was nonviolent in the spirit of execution, but that that one is doing the lasting damage. >> claire, don't leave the kitchen. stay put all week long, we nood need you. >> steve bannon was pervasive in spreading lies and shows no signs of slowing down. of course not, he's been pardoned and there's reporting of how steve bannon is still doing damage to our country and our democracy. >> questioning the justice department's decision not to charge mark meadows and dan scavino for contempt. all of that is coming up.

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elites and the running dogs for that steal this country. >> one of the tragic side effects of devoting a hearing to the events of january 6th is that we will all have to hear a lot more from him. that was steve bannon. as we know, he's been charged with two counts of criminal contempt of congress in a trial set to begin on july 18th and most of us will be in the events surrounding the election. bannon is already scheming, pawning to do mischief. just listen to bannon describe the precinct strategy in this citizens volunteer themselves in an attempt to completely re-wire the foundations of our democracy. that plot and more specifically, bannon himself were the subjects of a brand-new incredible piece of journalism in "the atlantic." american rasputin, which is how

from that piece of reporting, quote, this is the democratic party's nightmare scenario, the goblin that visits at 4:00 a.m. and the civil servants at the state level that barely held the u.s. together in the aftermath of the 2020 elections comes entirely undone through democratic means. joining us now the author of that brilliant piece of reporting, jennifer senior, pulitzer prize-winning staff writer for "the atlantic." we love that piece so much, too. this is a triumph. congratulations. everyone watching should get through it. get inside steve bannon's head. >> i don't know how much he was in mine. >> tell me about that. >> it was bonkers. he's this very beguiling combination of he's charming. he's insane. he's a fin flam artist -- >> is it insanity like it's

crazy and not tethered to reality or is it sadistic, he knows how much damage he's doing. >> think he's mono maniacal, and he's a meggal on maniac. you can't tell what he believes. he's truly disorienting in this way. he can very easily code switch and start speaking like you and me, speaking and sounding totally reasonable. when he's off mike and he's not a howling belligerent. he can hear my point of view about, say, ketanji brown jackson. he can have a reasonable, rational argument and suddenly he's a different guy and he's slowly will start inhabiting this point of view. for the life of me, four months out, i could not tell you whether he believes the big lie and most people around him as best as i can tell.

>> take me through the piece. what is his -- i think the scary thing about steve bannon and the danger of looking at him as a footnote from the trump presidency is that he's at it and he's moved on to the next project which is sowing chaos in 2024. he wants election deniers everywhere and it is bone chillingly dangerous and i don't know where to begin. his idea is basically to make sure that we've replaced all of the infrastructure that currently exists with people who are inclined to blow everything up, to reject election results if they don't sue, right? so this is starting at the ground level and the precinct level and the school boards and it's election inspectors and you start low and you do the grunt work and you're knocking on doors and within a matter of years. you can be running elections and you can assume real power. and this is what makes it republican endangering.

it's not a game and there are times when i feel he has this sportsmanlike and it's, you know, it's pt barnum stuff, and this is our country. >> there is a question i'm dying to ask you. i'm sure, and the piece makes that clear. i want to ask you if you left thinking there was a quid pro quo for the pardon he got in the coming days. we have to sneak in a quick break. don't go anywhere. >> okay.

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the thesis is you want to beat the enemy, you have to understand the enemy. that's the operating thesis of the piece. >> 100%. the idea that, like, exposure equals endorsement is crazy. this idea like you're platforming. steve bannon is going to be doing what he's doing rather we're writing about it or not. he's transparent about these things. >> does he do all this stuff to guarantee the pardon? >> sam nunburg, one of first hires of the trump campaign was the only guy who was willing to go on the record and say, oh, come on. he was in on the joke. he embraced the big lie because otherwise he was facing -- >> he gets the last pardon.

>> he got the last helicopter out of saigon. >> do you think there was something promised or like everything with trump, you know what you're expected to do? >> it would be irresponsible for me to speculate. i think sam nunburg said what many people believe to be the case. i think he's got better sources -- i would trust his judgment. >> face the potential future in orange pajamas. bannon insinuated himself back in the trump world. helping the president sell his message if it was stolen. steve was in on the joke. one of the first hires of the trump campaign political consultant. he never believed the election would be over turned. steve needed a pardon. do they talk like that? do you think there's any danger to their own base, lying and feeding bs to their own base

when they speak to serious journalists? >> he doesn't. what is so interesting is how many people wouldn't come out and say that. people who have affection for bannon and in his world. >> what about his lawyers? >> i mean, they can't talk about this. that would be extremely ill-advised. i think what i said is bs on the air, he was the bs'er. >> speaking of his bs, you say to him, you're not going to tell me you didn't call trump on january 6th. he said what? if they come up with it, i'll have rethink it but i don't think i did. >> i don't know it's a little bit if i did it.

this is having it both ways. it's a game. it's a game. >> he's got this big idea, he's all obsessed with the fourth turning that his history is cyclical and we're now in a period of destruction. we got to get through this period of destruction. some people are here to clear the land and build things up. he's just here with a wrecking ball. >> unbelievable. really important to understanding the forces aligned against the foundations of sour democracy. congratulations. coming up, over time to do

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>> the definition of insanity and denial is how pete buttigieg described the ludicrous one door solution put forward by republicans like ted cruz as the plan to stop the next mass school shooting as they try to avoid dealing with the actual problem in america. the staggering number of guns in the country and the ease with which one can purchase them. just this weekend, nearly 17 people were killed and 70 injured in mass shootings. there were 13 mass shootings from friday to sunday, this weekend. the state classifies an incident where for our more people were shot. the city of philadelphia was one of those places. hundreds of people were gathered outside. police say five guns were fired in an attack they believe was precipitated by a street fight. two guns were recovered and this afternoon the city recovered police have a person of interest in custody. three people died.

12 for wounded in that shooting. philadelphia's mayor tells the new york times this, quote, people are afraid to let their kids out of the house. he adds there was little to say to reassure frightened residents. words are hard. words have become meaningless. senator chris murphy who leds the bipartisan group feels the say way that words are not what we need now, it's action. even some of his colleagues across the aisle agree. >> i've never been part of negotiations as serious as these. there are more republicans at the table talking about changing our guns laws than at any time since sandy hook. late as last night we were engaged in conversations about trying to put package together. i think republicans realize how scared parents and kids are across this country. i think they realize it cannot

be nothing. that it's a test of democracy. it's a test of the federal government as do whether we can deliver at a moment of just fierce anxiety among the american public. we're closer than ever before. let's see if we land it. >> republican senator pat toomey whose bipartisan bill put forward following sandy hook that would require background checks also voiced some optimism this time around over this weekend. >> i can't guarantee any outcome but it feels to me like we're closer than we've been since i've been in the senate. >> just in the last hour, the group students demand action held a rally for gun safety in front of the u.s. capitol seeking to put even more pressure on elected officials to do something. murphy was one of the senators in attendance. signs we may see something, some progress in congress to address america's growing gun violence epidemic is where we start the hour with some of our favorite

reporters and friends. miles taylor is here. he's the former chief of staff at the department homeland security. also joining us, jason johnson. i remember being on "morning joe" with you. joe and mika's coverage after sandy hook was extraordinary. i remember having that feeling that something might happen. do you feel like this is a moment like that when people are hopeful but because of that experience of nothing happening at that tragedy that could involve the u.s. congress. >> listening to senator murphy this weekend, this thing that

depressed me is he said it hasn't felt this hopeful since sandy hook. we know what happened after sandy hook. nothing. i think what we saw over the course of this weekend is we here a lot about the school shootings and the big shootings like in buffalo. most americans who are killed by gunshot are killed by handguns and one off and we saw sochl -- some of that over the course of this weekend. having a license.

in australia. that put guns on ban but that's not going to happen. even senator murphy sounding cautiously optimistic recognizing whatever comes out of it, if something comes out at all will be small. >> about the role that voters play in determines in something small or nothing at all or something that you're talking about happens in the future. >> we feel very strongly as a league that it's time for people to take notice and to take part in what should be a nation wide effort to limit the gun violence

that's out there. the idea behind wearing the shirts, both teams is the make people aware that they can contribute to different gun safety, gun violence prevention groups. the biggest thing i think is to vote and if you feel strongly about saving lives and possibly even someone in your on family, get out and vote. that's the only way that you convince the people we need to convince to start implementing gun safety. >> if the shoe were on the other foot and the democratic party were the party of war, you and i can imagine the campaign that republicans would run against democrats. the shoe is on the other foot. the republicans are the party for doing nothing or maybe next to nothing. it's the only thing that's even possible. 100 senator, the only thing on the table something that sits right next to nothing.

something really, really small. if the shoe were on the other foot, the party that stood for doing something next to nothing or nothing about massacres at elementary schools and suggesting that the one door policy is also on the wish list of most want to be most mass school shooters. they would be making this the single issue before voters in november. how do democrats take a page from those maniacal campaigns usually run by republicans that is for doing nothing about the weapons of war in the hands of crazy people. >> they will take a page from republicans by being relentless because as you note, we both served in republican administrations. we served in the bush administration together and we know if the roles were we versed, we would have gone just beserk against the democrats if it was a public issue.

democrats hammer this home by being relentless about it. the strategy was genuinely denial. we saw that with some leaked memos that have come out. that showed the talk points were to start talking about inflation and not talk about guns. to talk about mental health and not talk about guns. i remember this being the case after sandy hook is in the republican caucus there was wide discussion and it was don't talk about anything related to guns. that's an absurdity. when denial is your strategy, the result is death. the only reason we're seeing potential action now, unfortunately, is because

people's constituents are dying. these elected members of congress are coming to the table because people in their districts are dying, people this their states are dying and then people who vote for them are scared that it might happen to their children. that's why they are acting. to me, it's shocking that we've had this decade of inaction since sandy hook. we had dozens and hundreds, thousands more families grieving because of that gop strategy. it's very frustrating to watch happen and i can imagine that the families would be open to holding these members of congress accountable in these mid term elections if something doesn't happen this summer. >> here is the places republicans said are okay to be at risk, a grocery store, a school, elementary school. it's okay to be gunned down.

are you going to take this message, sharpen it and run it against republicans? >> i've had conversations throughout the day about what messages we need to take to the voters to make sure some of these more extreme members of congress especially on the gop side who will do nothing, lose their job. this is one of the top three issues that nied to be highlighted in the district to make sure those people lose their job and we get people elected to congress who want to do something. i don't care if they are democrat and republicans. just come to table and get something done. if you look at all the polling that's been done since the shooting in texas or buffalo, it shows that the american people are largely in alignment on reasonable, common sense steps that could be taken that would prevent more people from dying. these are not reforms that would just be messaging bills or just

signaling. these are reforms that would prevent more families from grieving. let's just get it done, darn it. if people won't do it, those members of congress are too scared, let's get them out of office and get better people in. this will be a key issue leading into the midterms and something that democrats go hammer far right republicans on. >> i guess i ask because the reality couldn't be any further from the landscape. a new york republican announced friday he would no longer seem re-election. chris jacobs bucked his party last week when he said he would back an assault weapons ban bill. on friday he says that stand cost him his political career in the republican party. if you stray from a party position, you are annihilated.

for the republicans it became apparent over the last week that issue is gun control, any gun control. it's like a mob tactic. >> yeah. here's the thing. this is not just about advertising. although messages are great. if i was running the dnc now, if i was talking to jamie, i would say every commercial, i want every cashier, i want people from tops, i want every grocery store executive, i'd have members of noble. national organization of black enforcement. i'd have cop, school teachers. every single person in a we are the world arm across the commercial saying we are sick of this and get rid of ted cruz. get rid of abbot. who would worry about going into a grocery store and getting shot on a regular basis. all these things are connected. you can tell people to vote. you can say get rid of this

person. if you don't do anything about voting rights, they can't vote out the terrible people who are keeping the policies in place. that's why the same arguments that activist and organizers have been talking about matter. when you get issues that are of importance, when 99% of public like we're scared and want something done, if they are prevented from expressing their frustration when it comes to getting to the ballot box then nothing changes. i would be connecting this to voter rights. i would be connecting this to january 6th. we need to get rid of the gun loving terrorist who is is trying to kill your grandma at the grocery store. not baby formula, not gas prices. you don't want your grandma dead at the grocery store. >> it's so blunt. it's so simple. i asked the question on live tv. it's not what you you're hearing from democrats. why aren't the blunt messages when the story literally refreshes itself with tragic

effect day after day. we are country that wakes up to mass shootings every morning. >> because of the structure of the way things are. partly it's gun rights groups out spent gun control groups by five times in 2021. there's still a lot more what you can whip up a minority of the country and in this case there's a minority who supports the position but a minority can be very powerful when it's used and mobilized. when you have gun rights groups massively out spending gun control groups, that's one of the reasons. another reason you only have three democratic senators elected in states that are red states and so there just isn't much to play for in the middle of the country.

there aren't my purple districts to play for. you have structural problems in american democracy that make it unrepresentative. on a whole range of issues but on this issue in particular. i don't see how you change that. >> it is the democratic party and the white house job to see how the change it. lives could have been saved in some of these were in place.

might not have been allowed to purchase large capacity magazines. helping them kill on average, wait for it, 16 people each. taken together, the measures might have changed the course of 35 shootings. those 35 shootings killed a combined 446 people. go find those 446 people families. that's 446 families destroyed. every one in their families. all their children, parent, siblings. every one in their live, lives destroyed. that's 446 lives, worlds that were blown up. where does this sort of intractability with such a fixable crisis like this one, jason? >> well, it's partially because people who commit these acts aren't held responsible and the people committing the acts aren't just the people with the

gun but it's the parent who is are buying their kids the guns. it's the grandparents allowing the guns to be in their home. it's the weapons manufacturers, i was looking up daniel defense. these are people who admit casually, in reports, in podcast, our gun sales go up every single time there's mass shooting. we don't want that but it happens. the people who are responsible for creating the culture of violence that we're in are not being held accountable by law enforcement. they are not being held accountable by elected officials. you can do something about those people. you can punish those people but we don't have democratic governors that go after weapons manufacturers the way that ron desantis goes after disney. a lot of this is just force of will. if you decide you want to be the out spoken democrat like beto has done, i want to get rid of these guns. what's the worst thing that will happen. the people will vote for you and

appreciate you're standing up for an issue one way or the other. that's what is frustrating. not just for the losses but the lack of political will to get something done. when you hear the ridiculous excuses from republicans, when you hear them talk about mental health. point out the fact they are blocking mental health funding. i may be the only person who spends a amount of time in a classroom. a one door policy is insane. every time you hear republicans say that, just bring out of school teachers saying do you know how crazy it is to get fifth graders out for bathroom time, let alone mass shooter. that's should be the response. instead you have people saying we have to negotiate in good faith. we're going to smack them upside the head with this violence every single time until we get something passed that actually matters. that has to be done. no one seems to have the will to try it. >> bold is your brand.

thank you for bringing it here. miles sticks around. ahead, the frightening rise in violent political threats became a horrific threat. it's something miles has been warning about. the brand new reporting is next. we'll also have a live report from kyiv. the target of russian missile strikes after weeks there. coming up later, our guest on set will actor and activist rosie perez. stay with us. actor and activis rosie perez. stay with us bravecto's the big winner. 12 weeks of powerful protection, nearly 3 times longer than any other chew. bravo, bravecto! bravo! >> tech: when you have auto glass damage, trust safelite. in one easy appointment... nearly 3 times longer than any other chew. ♪ pop rock music ♪ >> tech: ...we can replace your windshield and recalibrate your advanced safety system. >> dad: looks great. thanks. >> tech: stay safe with safelite. schedule now. >> singers: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace. ♪

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this weekend one of the most marrowing twists today, we're talk about the violence, sometimes deadly targeting of public officials. investigation is under way in wisconsin today for the murder of the retired judge. he was zip tied, shot and killed in his own home. the suspect who is in critical condition had a connection to the judge. roamer sentenced him to prison back in 2015 adding to the horror, in his car. they found a hit list that included gretchen whitmer and senate republican leader mitch mcconnell.

there's so much about this that is to heinous but started with your questions for this investigation. >> what i find a little bit fascinating with this scenario is we're starting to see what we saw in international terrorism ten years ago which is people mixing their own personal grievances with a broader ideology against officials, against governments. the difference is it's from within. it's not so much tied the isis or al qaeda. it was selective. this individual targeted the judge and not been in contact with that trial or judge over decade.

it ties into the national rhetoric. looking at some of the social media posts it was cleersly pick ugh up on the narratives we have seen over the last two to three years with elections. that's targeting or people targeting politically different individuals with their angst. this speaks to the larger phenomenon that you and i have talked about every year that i've been on here. it's no longer these organized groups. it's individuals who identify with a moment. who listen to violent rhetoric spokes been politicians and use that to pick their targets. over and over again, the more we demonize elected officials or judicial officials or election workers or hospital workers,tta

occur at random. >> miles this investigation is in its early stamgs. we don't know if this alleged asasssin would have been able to kill the retired judge with another method. we do know in this instance the gun just readily available and make these hit lists and this rise in appetite or acceptance of political violence all the more terrifying. >> we got a powder keg many this country right now. we saw a surge in gun purchases. as you reported and as others have amplified in the wake of some of these other recent mass shootings, we have seen the phenomenon again. instead of people giving up guns we have seen oots surge in gun purchases but you marry that with what we are seeing in terms

of big spikes and attitudes towards political violence. favorable attitudes toward political environments. you have a very toxic combination. this looks an awful lot like what clint and i saw during the rise of al qaeda, during the rise of isis. these are similar trends. you don't have to agree with me politically to agree with that. we have been warning that it was going to manifest in actual violence. i hate to say it, but i think it's the tip of the iceberg.

we have open domestic terrorism cases in all 50 states now. this is very worrying and the seeds have been planted in the past few years with the radical rhetoric to lead to more especially societies like this. >> clint, there's no evidence in the know suggest that we're treating the threat of domestic terrorism the say way we treated the threat of foreign terrorism. how do you write that? every one knew the proud boys were going to show up on january

6th. it's not surprising the charge came out. the only surprising thing is we didn't do anything about it advance. we watched it happen in plain sight. we would never do that in an isis or al qaeda context. it would not happen. we would mobilize very quickly. we would use things like a fisa. we need to unite all of this. it's the same. it's the threat of violence for political change. only after january 6th did something happen that they have a tip. do they have probable cause to start the investigations. we should be proactive. i think that's what americans

expect. social media is the first place it will be. what can be looked at on social media. what can be done with that information and what we expect from law enforcement. that's a huge gap post january 6th. every one saw it comes. the fbi likely saw it coming. dhs did too. their hands are really tied. >> thank you so much. when we come back, our guest here onset will be rosie perez. don't go anywhere. machine rosie perez don't go anywhere. machin or... his nose. ♪ ♪

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. the first part of this hour, we have been talking about gun violence. last block, political violence. all of it threatens our way of live, our country, kids. it can be overwhelming. many of us are asking these questions. what can we do? can anything be done? how can the answer from washington be nothing or something little? my next guest and my friend, been an activist her entire career and life, she's here onset. joining us award winning actress rosie perez. i'll do that later. i feel like every one will turn

this off and turn on instead of the news. you look at the things, i know the issues that you've tackled and none of them have a quick fix. it feels like some of the most impassioned pleas to do something are coming from outside of politics. your work takes you all around the world and all over the city and all through sort of the artist community, the film and television world andi wonder wh moment right now. >> i think this moment is a great opportunity. i think that if we stay the course of apathy, we're done. >> right. >> i think that the world still looking to america as to how to fix what's going on. we should heed that call. activism is something that works. i'm a testament to that. with my aids activism but also when i was a child being part of

the child welfare system. there were people fighting for different types of policy to make my life better as a child. with everything that's going on here and you show about the gun violence, about all these things, the issue of abortion. you say what can we do. nothing is going to change. if you have that mind set, things will not change. you know what the biggest form of activism, in my opinion, is your vote. it's your vote. the reason why those individuals are on the supreme court is because a certain president was voted into office and he made those decisions. if you don't like those decision, make your voice heard at the ballot. >> where is that disconnect? that's exactly right. if democrats could answer the passion on the right with the justness of their cause and the majority views on roe. 63% of americans want to see roe

stay where it is. that encompasses a will the of democrats and republicans. 80% of republicans want to see common sense background checks. democrats are so politically despondent now. >> i think they are despondent because people are still using the it's trump against us type of messaging. i think that can be a huge problem because people are over it. you can say you're not oaf it because he could be voted right back in. i get that. you know what, it's about the economy. it's about the issues and you should stay with that. that's what is affecting every single american whether you're red, blue, purple or whatever. we just been through a shutdown. we're still in the midst of pandemic. there are kids dying and adults dying because of gun violence.

we have all these things that need to be addressed. if you get some cajones, democrats. where can i look in the camera? get some cajones, democrats. take it from the republicans because they don't take any mess. >> you travel around the world, too. i wonder what the picture is of america from abroad. >> it's not great. >> worried? disgust? >> all of the above. i think it's more so worry. we're supposed to be leaders. we're supposed to have a moral compass when it comes to democracy. here we are living in nation that there's such uncertainty.

i think that's the feeling when i go to these various different countries. they are like what's going on. i thought things would calm down. i go, honey, they have calmed down. that's another note the democrats should take. start counting our victories. start putting the message of how things have gotten better. there are things that are not great and that we have to address. where we are, things are so much better. it was much more divided years ago. we are on a really good path. i just wish that we can take that in and really, really celebrate a victory in that. not sound so downtrodden all the time. >> and defeated sdplp it's like everybody wants a winner. we did win.

>> i think the important piece is democrats won, they control both chambers. they won the white house. it still feels like the democratic base is really pissed. >> yeah. >> they are. it's because our leaders need to have more gumption. they need have that good old american spirit. we are winners. we have won. we have the power to change. let's do it. this is what we want and this is how we're going to get it. i think that's where the disconnect is happening. you want to be in a boat where you know it's going to be sailing upstream. >> with the winners. >>plaining all the time. >> i want to talk about your new show. >> it just seems funny to me. >> all right. that's all we need for now.

thank you for your time. >> thank you. >> what are you doing rookie? it's your first case. >> it's not my first case. >> i know you want to get it right. it's good do be thorough. there's such a thing as tact. >> yeah. i'm very well aware of that. thank you. i can use a tad less of a condescending tone. it's surprising they all remember the exact time when he left. what? >> i heard that what? it's so good. tell me about it. >> it's a show about these five young cleej grads. one night they are partying on a beach and one of their friends ends up dead. they tried to cover it up and another person ends up dead.

i play a rookie detective on that case. 20 years later, that case is never been solved. another body, one of their friends ends up dead again. now i'm the sergeant detective on the case. in that scene, he plays my partner and he was such a wonderful actor to play with. the cast is outstanding. the show is page turner. this is one of the most difficult and challenging roles that i've had since "fearless." that's saying a lot. i'm really proud of the work that every one has done on it. >> gideon. i introduced you to him. >> yeah. this is always with him about, and you about something bigger. this feels like it's about the truth. have to work so much harder than all the people telling the lies. does that feel like an appropriate read of some of the

bigger themes? >> yes, absolutely. money mistake can lead to dire consequences as well. it can change a moment in history, your world history. certain decisions are made. i love what you said about the truth. that was my approach. when you side on the side of truth, it's such a strong place to move forward with. i know i'm going to send this back to politics but i wish that young people, old people, you have power in your vote.

we all know what the issues are at hand. we have to make a change. just like my character in now and then, she's like a dog with a bone. she will not stop until justice is done. that's how we, the american people have to be. we really do. i'm so appreciative we're friends. we talk but you ask me on your show during this time. yes, the tv show, yes i'm grateful for that and thank you apple tv plus. this is really much more important what's going on in america right now. it's breaking my heart. >> it's more important to you. >> it's so much more important to you. i was on the front line during the aids crisis. we fought for what e needed and we got it. we didn't get a cure but we have close to it. if we can make a change the way we did with a certain administration that was in power, we can still do it today because we have the right person in power now. it's like come on people.

get strong. get riled up. >> thank you so much. finish the news first. don't look away from us. when you're done with the news and ready to go watch something even better, now and then, every friday. >> yes. >> rosie perez is glorious in it. it's wonderful. thank you so much for spending some time with us to talk about it. we'll head back to ukraine where president zelenskyy made a risky trip to the front lines there. trip to the front lines there.

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for the first time in more than capital city of kyiv, which is trying to go close to something back to normal was hit by missile strikes as russia looks to target military supplies donated from abroad. four missiles slam into the a train repair shop yesterday, the first time kyiv has seen air strikes since the secretary general of the u.n. visited in april. and while the ukrainian officials said there were no casualties nor any damage to supplies, the kremlin seeks to use this as a win, saying they had destroyed tanks and armored vehicles. all this comes as president zelenskyy made a surprise visit to the front line to give his troops a much needed morale boost as russian forces continue to assault the donbas after repositioning their forces last

month. ali live in kyiv. i know there's no way of saying that a phase has sort of the ended or moved on, but there was this sense that kyiv was returning to normal. the market were open. people were starting to bring their children back. cal perry reported a few days ago. i wonder what the impact is not just militarily but psychologically on kyiv of these strikes. >> reporter: hi, nicole. that's right, kyiv was returning back to normal. you walk around kyiv, the city is crowded, the shops are open. people are sitting in cafes, people are trying to get their businesses running again. but that certainly shattered that sort of sense of calm that missed here since the 29th of april. it's been well over a month since this place was hit, and now people feel shaky. vladimir putin issuing threats, saying if more rocket systems are given to the ukrainians, he'll hit targets that he hasn't hit before, and of course kyiv

will probably bear the brunt of some of those new targets because it sends a message out that nowhere is safe. place that we've visited before we'll visit again, and it does shake people up. we managed to speak to this 14-year-old girl today who had escaped and come to the relative safety of kyiv, and all of a sudden yesterday morning at 6:00 a.m., she was woken up by rocket strikes. let's take a listen to what she had to say, nicole. you said you're getting used to this. how can somebody get used to this? >> just we are just brave and we are ukrainians. sieverodonetsk is a -- town. people want to live in ukraine. they don't want to russian people there, russian government, or something else. the people are ukrainians, too.

>> wow. >> reporter: and nicole, the derail for darya who you were just listening to and so many other ukrainians has become so familiar. somewhere gets attacked. pack your essentials in a bag, only with you can carry, say good-bye to your homes, possessions, sometimes pets and move as fast as you can away from advancing front line. and this has become normal for so many people here. and even though they're in the relative safety of kyiv, it could hit them here, and then they're going to have to pack up and move further west some it's very disconcerting, especially somewhere they maybe thought was same we had a chance to speak to people who had escaped mariupol, they were at a center for those displaced from mariupol. it was one horror after another. they escaped mariupol to the relative safety of kyiv bum don't know what's going to happen. we were speaking to a mother and 11-year-old girl.

the girl was holding a piece of shrapnel the size of a hockey puck. that was a reminder who have had been done to her stay. i asked her, why did you bring this? she said, this is to remind me what happened to mariupol. her mother told us, when they were in mariupol, those became toys for them, because they lost everything they had. they were telling me about this harrowing journey they made from mariupol to kyiv. it's upsetting to listen to these stories. >> i know, ali america ukrainians view what they perceive as the world's waning attention or other things pulling for our attention as grave a threat as everything you're talking about. ali, please stay safe there. thank you so much. a quick break for us. we will be right back. ight back.

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thank you so much for letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. we're grateful, and i'm grateful to my friend john howlman for the hours last week. ari, you have had an incredible week. i'm sorry i wasn't here to see it. >> that's nice to say. we have been busy. i was going to say, shout-out to your guest host, but aen in news question, anything wonderful or great or anything that happened or any insights you drew from your time away from the newsroom. >> what i like leaving and remembering is we li in such